I find seduction immoral ?

abstractpickupartist · 2017-11-12T08:12:56+00:00

You are living in a fantasy land to give yourself an excuse to fail.

I have to be completely honest

"Does my ass look fat?"

How's that complete honesty looking?

this ideal women might reject me,

"Ideal", again with the absolutes. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Nobody's perfect, everybody poops. No one is completely honest, no one is is a dream women. Some of them are really wonderful, though. :-)

Now, you have a view of pickup that suggests you read a lot of women's magazines. Negative & distorted. Lose the attitude and learn.

Most of the advice on this sub is simple self improvement. If you are a pretty boring person, you might want to fix it, not lie about it. Being able to hold a conversation is a social skill, not a trick. Being happy with yourself may take work, but it pays off well beyond seduction. Taking care of your body is a basic, human skill that everyone should have.

You don't have to do anything you wouldn't tell a woman you are dating to be successful with women. (You can play games, but it's not necessary).

So, go talk to women, make some friends, get to know them as people, it's one of the best ways to lose the "dream woman" fantasy. Work on yourself, and your social skills (which requires practice). Become a non-boring person. You'll do fine.

Ash_Gray27 · 2017-11-12T07:48:09+00:00

If I made a book suggestion that encompasses everything you mentioned, would you actually read it?

I ask because I make the suggestion and no one ever does.

Griz-Lee · 2017-11-12T09:47:42+00:00

Here's the point, let's assume nails were invented but hammers aren't common. You usually use a rock to drive that nail into a 2x4. You see somebody using a hammer, it's way more efficient. Next time you will want to try to use a hammer like that. At some point you will not even think twice and reach for the hammer instinctively, it will become second nature.

Seduction is a tool, you might use a routine or two when you practice, seduction is like a framework to teach you the ropes. At some point your brain will "get it" and you forget about seduction altogether. You will act like a natural, except that knowledge was actively acquired by you.

I like the absolute honesty type relationships too, all of my S.O. know about it, my current one even read The Game and is in love with Neil Strauss and since then has read other books of his.

Use the framework if you feel like it benefits you, once it is ingrained you will forget about it.

WannaChangeMyLife4ev · 2017-11-12T10:09:11+00:00

Seduction is not immoral when you're not tricking man. You can learn that. The problem is that people think that enhancing and improving your abilities is ridiculous(Not the best word). Are you weak? Go to the gym. - We are conditioned to judge certain abilities as bad, others as good.

My3centsItsWorthMore · 2017-11-12T10:46:49+00:00

You mostly went on about your situation rather than what you find immoral about seduction. I will fill in the blanks and give you my own interpretation. I think seduction can be immoral if utilised to the extent that you are no longer recognising the girls as people and are willing to lie to get what you want. But for the most part its not about lying, its about presenting the best form of yourself to attract partners. I think you should practice seduction, because it sounds to me like you are reasoning yourself into being fine with things that you are not fine with. Which would be alright if this wasnt something you could change and improve if you apply yourself. good luck.

saulisdating · 2017-11-12T12:15:19+00:00

Seduction is only immoral if you use immoral ways to seduce someone. If you're being authentic, talk honestly, and take a genuine interest in the other person, then it's never immoral.

So seduction in itself is neither moral or immoral - it's how you choose to go about it that makes the difference.

Zoidberg22 · 2017-11-12T17:31:54+00:00

Routines I find immoral since you're not being true to yourself, but otherwise, nah

TheXXL · 2017-11-13T13:40:44+00:00

Talking about tricks, do you know the best trick to be successful in seduction? No? Being real. Not playing some role. Being honest about your intentions, about your needs, showing your vulnerable side without being scared. Is this still immoral to you?

Title	I find seduction immoral ?
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Date	November 12, 2017 7:33 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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