what about more music and dance oriented nightclubs you know those clubs that are less like a bar were a lot of people stand around and chat but more like room/s full of loud music were everyone is drunk and dancing and having fun with friends can you still pick up in these types of clubs or would you be viewed as the creep who tries to pick up girls at these venues and the girls would be annoyed and just want to dance? or can you pick up chicks at these style of venues as well and if so how? since they are louder and less talking based do i just start dancing with a girl then slowly start touching her more and more or do you still talk at these types of venues but you just have to yell in there ears? to give you an example of what type of venue i am talking about here is what i am talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjimXFVtQgE or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGj6vo7rBEQ