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[–]RedditsOlderBrah 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i think he sounds like a dickhead and if i were a woman i would consider him an actual danger.
i don't think he's secure in his masculinity, or even knows what it is.
i think it's sad that anyone can be provided with the information you posted and think that it is anything other than the unhinged rants of an extremely sad and pathetic man.
[–]eszibit 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
1st of all any guy who says all women are sluts is a moron. Just like any woman saying all men are pigs or whatever.
2nd, even if it's the context of bedroom fun, it's still shows how much of an idiot he is. Women have different likes and dislikes, but i do agree that a lot of women, maybe like 70% want to be dominated and like it rough to a varying degree.
3rd the broke hood dudes usually look good or have game or something else like that. 4th being masculine is pretty normal, but you shouldn't fake it, it should come from within. If it doesn't come than you have a lot of searching to do..if it's hormonal, or from how you grew up etc. Otherwise it's just a mask and it will fall when you don't pay attention and you're whole game will crumble.
5th some women like a more feminine guy, some women are more masculine or switch or feminists and they like a harry styles or ed sheeran. But being fit/skinny is still important, almost no woman likes a fat guy, just like most guys don't like fat women.
"A few of his examples are that you can’t show too much emotion to a woman or that you can’t be all goofy around them cuz that isn’t sexy or masculine (or doesn’t exude “big dick energy” if you will)." Again, shows how much of a scam he is, a lot of women love you showing emotion..some, not to cry on the 1st date. Or to be goofy. The hard military type that sheds a tear on the end of casablanca, or who can tell her about his tough childhood and make her feel like she's the only one that knows about it, etc etc. Of course, that's like the spice, the 1-2% of the time, being goofy is another 5-10% , rest of the time you're the manly guy who can protect and provide.
Be careful out there who your role models are, so many dipshits
[–]the_golden_b -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So you agree with him for the most part?
Also for the broke dudes, some are ugly some are handsome, they still pull a lot. And game comes from confidence. So if they got nothing going for themselves, why would they be confondent in the 1st place. Imo, it’s because they take deep pride in their manhood. Cuz that’s all they got going for themselves. Hence why a lot of rap culture is all hypermaculine and about jewelry, robbery, murder. All of these are an exaggeration of what masculinity look like for the “hood” black community. I think that’s the only logical explanation.
[–]eszibit 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Broke dudes, even ugly, if they have the masculine, "i can kill people " attitude, that can be very attractive to women. It's the shadow carl jung talks about, the beast in the beauty and the beast.
"So if they got nothing going for themselves, why would they be confondent in the 1st place" a lot of people can be confident without having anything to be confident about, they are just delusional. You see it in women too, the 300pound chicks who are "confident".
Sadly a lot of women think that the confidence someone portrays means they are competent, so they get stuck with morons. It's their problem that they can't choose, it's not yours, let them be single mamas or wifes of criminals.
I agree that it's good to be masculine, i think it's important ( for men obv ) . But i think being masculine is much more important than faking masculinity, or buying jewelry and crap, that's for morons. Want to be masculine? Get your hormones in check and be healthy, put on some muscle and sleep early, get good at your job and learn to fight, do some therapy to resolve stuff if you need it, read read read the greats, the classics, learn what it is to be a man and how to get there, learn to be someone not to project it, learn how to be vulnerable with the ones that deserve it.
You wanna fuck? get into debt, get a nice car, get fancy clothes and a "fuck you attitude" maybe some steriods and sure, you will fuck some girls ( not quality tho ) but your life will suck and you won't get anywhere. Or..take the hard road and become something and hopefully not a youtuber that doesn't know shit and still pollutes the air with his "all girls are sluts"
[–]the_golden_b 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well I agree with the fact that “hood” people are dysfunctional. When thinking about, they’ll only get success with women i their own community. I don’t think any other woman with sense would get with those guys.
And tbh, I’m not the type of guy to sleep around at all. I’d definitely like a fwb or 2 in this particular stage in my life. Ones that I can share my thoughts with and have a connection. But I can’t be that guy that just fucks and passes up to the next ones. I’m just kinda lost tbh and I’m just trying things out.
Id say I’m pretty masculine on a normal scale. I just had a bad upbringing and had a lot issues and insecurities to sort out. Even till this day. So I’m just currently working on myself.
[–]eszibit 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Congrats on working on yourself, do it as much as possible and always try to have the attitude of " i don't know much, i need to learn and see a lot of viewpoints " . Be it about gym, nutrition, politics, philosophy, stock market, social skills etc, there's plenty to learn about, most people don't really know anything except their job and a lot of useless shit like nfl players, or they spew off the same shit that they hear from shitty sources without ever thinking critically about it or listening to people that studied it for 20 years.
The thing about sex is...that if you really do become "a high value guy" , like you have your shit together, you'll have plenty of opportunities of girls,. Maybe you want now 1-2 girls, cuz you can't get more, but when you can pick from 20 girls, it's hard to settle. It's a weird world we live in right now and it becomes a winner takes all thing, one guy can have 20 women a month and 20 guys get nothing. There are still exceptions, but online dating did this.
So, focus on yourself and you will have opportunities, you don't chase women, you chase a good life and women will chase you.
[–]RedditsOlderBrah -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
damn. this post was a ride. you start off well with both feet firmly in reality, but then you sort of sashay off into moon logic with your theories on 'hood dudes'.
you return to a baseline with your commonly held beliefs about masculinity that are pretty much just wrong, but proceed immediately to some decent opinions on gender expression and the variations in what women find attractive.
hard right into moon logic for your opinion on what 'almost every' woman think about fat men.
then you just run all over the map advocating for appropriately expressed emotions from men being attractive to women, but ends up positing that 80% of our lives should be spent stoically being a 'manly guy'.
you sound like a guy who had good opinions who is gradually letting the provably wrong shit that gets dogmatically repeated here seep into his world view.
thanks for the ride!
[–]eszibit 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Well, the reality is pretty complex and i've been studying this things for a lot of time because a lot of things don't make sense.
We, as humans, are the product of our genes, of our social environment and, especially in the last 100 years, of our exposure to a lot of chemicals that have no business being in our body. That's why it's all this mix
From our genes we have adapted to like some stuff, namely health that is expressed through beauty, that's why most people like the same stuff, be it an hour glass shape on a woman or a v-shave of a man. That's why i said being fit/skinny, we never were in our history fat for long periods of time...if we ever were.
The social thing is complicated, there's a ton of narratives going on that put men against women, the more unhappy we are the more we buy shit we don't need and the more divided we are. Republicans vs democrats, young vs old, but never or very rarely broke vs rich. Or more accurate, moral people vs corrupt, normal people vs sociopaths.
And the 3rd one, and it's huge, the chemicals that tanked men's testosterone and raised women's. They do more than that but the xenoestrogens that you are ubiquitous are shaping society more than anything.
Basically people should be much more polarised, as in the males with more testosterone and manly, but in touch with their feelings, just not ruled by them, and women more feminine and nurturing, not the boss bitches and soyboys we have now.
It's funny how everything you disagree with is "moon logic" the fuck that means, you don't sound well read or having any grounded opinion, just spitting out the common shit that everyone says.
Look around and see how many dates fat guys go on. Or just see what the Chads are that get all the women, based on okcupid or tinder stats. How many fat guys do you see there? Sure, there will be exceptions, but the fat guys that are exceptions are the guys that have money, status etc.
Anyway, pretty sure i'm wasting my breath here, but who knows
[–]RedditsOlderBrah 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
i'm afraid i'm going to have to challenge you on the diligence of your studying.
like, this is just wrong. there's no other way to put it.
For about 400 years, roughly between 1500 and 1900, bodily weight and volume, for both men and women, had a strong visual appeal. There were variations according to country and century in this standard of good looks, but in general it was considered not only beautiful but natural to look physically substantial. https://www.nytimes.com/1977/10/23/archives/when-fat-was-in-fashion-abundant-flesh-was-a-thing-of-beauty-to.html
For about 400 years, roughly between 1500 and 1900, bodily weight and volume, for both men and women, had a strong visual appeal. There were variations according to country and century in this standard of good looks, but in general it was considered not only beautiful but natural to look physically substantial.
https://www.nytimes.com/1977/10/23/archives/when-fat-was-in-fashion-abundant-flesh-was-a-thing-of-beauty-to.html
google the expensive paintings of women by famous artists in those years. you'll notice quite a few of them come equipped with some back. you could have literally googled this in seconds. 'studying' requires being critical in your analysis.
this 'chemicals' thing is starting to sound like you have a very specific source you trust and rarely deviate from. the declining testosterone levels in men has many suspected contributing causes. we eat worse and exercise way less in the internet age for an example. regardless, this doesn't mean shit about anything. it's a broad trend.
personally i think you should do what's right for you with regards to how you perform masculinity, but you should stay out of other people's choices because you are extremely ignorant on masculinity, feminiity, and even what gender is. i don't respect some who fantasises about forcing your ignorant bullshit on people.
i'm currently fat, and aging, and i can tell you we're doing just fine. i know it's just anecdotal, you could provide evidence to back up your claim if you wanted.
[–]eszibit 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, basically what i was expecting from you and the points that have been covered over and over again, but you have been somewhat civil so you get points for that. As i said, wasting time and breath and i'm sure no amount of sources or science can change your mind. I'm happy that that you're doing well fat and aging but pretty sure if you were fitter and biologically younger you'd do even better. Anyway, good luck to you
[–]RedditsOlderBrah 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm happy that that you're doing well fat and aging but pretty sure if you were fitter and biologically younger you'd do even better.
i would humiliate a 26 year old me who was an active middleweight boxer and built like a brick shithouse in a competition for a woman's affections. i was surprised that age and experience could provided such amazing dating tools.
[–]eszibit 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
see how you are moving the goal post? i didn't say skills and charm don't matter, i said with the same skills and charm, with being healthier you'd do better. Also there's different type of fat, if you are 20 pounds overweight it's a thing, if it's 150pounds overweight your skills and charm would not matter too much.
Also in your example you're just saying that you had no flirting skills at 26, that's not true for everyone.
If you honestly think that fat people ( with the same skill set, charisma, money ) have better chances than skinny/fit people... i don't know what to say.
[–]RedditsOlderBrah 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i'm apparently 80lbs overweight. boy howdy that got out of control.
i said with the same skills and charm, with being healthier you'd do better
probably, yes, i agree, but i literally have no need to 'do better'. i have everything i want.
and i had skills at 26. what i didn't have was unassailable confidence, a thorough knowledge of how i best attract women, and i am far more skilled in conversation than i was.
i was doing fine at 26. i would just kick the poor me's ass though.
you might find something to say if you look up what 'good looking' and 'attractive' mean. they are associated, but they are very different.
also i don't think it's very cool to cast aspersions upon my respect for scientific consensus and early peer reviewed suggestions. you have provided exactly no sources of any quality to support your claims, and as such was given no opportunity to behave in a way that warrants your claims.
i'll forgive it though, because i know what you were really trying to say.
well, you started with the moon logic... if i'd say your opinions are fairy philosophy and they make you think this and that, how much would you like to give sources? Also, as i said, it's extremely complex and it would be hard to provide all the sources i need for a conversation that doesn't mean anything in the long term.
These are some "fun" books to read and start seeing the big picture a bit better about that some chemicals do to us. Also Joe Rogan had another Ph.D that was talking about how pollution literally made some male fish to female fish, but i can't remember his name.
Estrogeneration: How Estrogenics Are Making You Fat, Sick, and Infertile
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Count-Down/Shanna-H-Swan/9781982113674
This is a great book about relationships.
Whether they conducted their research in life or in the lab, experts Tucker Max and Dr. Geoffrey Miller have spent the last 20+ years learning what women really want from their men, why they want it, and how men can deliver those qualities.
https://www.amazon.com/Mate-Become-Man-Women-Want/dp/B01LTHXJVE
The rabbit hole goes deep and seriously, my last post, i only wrote because you seem like a decent guy overall. There's way too much to talk about and i don't want to convince you of anything, good luck and take care
i don't understand why you're telling me about falling fertility rates. i've agreed. it's happening. but to everyone. it has no impact here.
i'm pleased your pickup book doesn't seem to be an absolute pile of shit, especially when i saw the name tucker max (who is absolutely not an expert). but the actual expert's field is evo-psych. it's interesting, and aspects of it are valuable, but it is about as close to the line separating an educated guess and the loosest possible version of science since by it's very nature the theories cannot ever be tested. and the assumptions they have to make about our ancestors are just wild.
[–]Horror-Skirt7233 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m sorry but after learning he was scamming people through forex and blatantly being racist towards white people I don’t take him seriously. He’s still human so he should be forgiven but a lot of these spiritual/woke YouTubers have a lot of shit takes. As for women wanting masculine men, every woman wants a man who to some degree is masculine but it really just varies a lot on women preferences.
[–]i_love_crazy_hobos 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
All women are not sluts. Probably bad to follow guys with toxic ideas like that. However short guys can definitely trump tall guys with better mental frame. I'm 6'2" and I've had shorter guy at least once actually steal the girl from me.
Was out in New Orleans, meeting a girl for the second night actually out with friends. I was making out with her, holding hands, hanging out, and guy 8 inches shorter than me ends up grabbing her to dance, making out with her, and threw me off completely.
I know that might not support my statement of "all girls are not sluts" lol. But seriously. All girls aren't.
And even if they are, who the fuck cares? We are out here trying to fuck 100 different girls. I don't see what's the huge deal if girls want to have some options too.
[–]RedditsOlderBrah 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't see what's the huge deal if girls want to have some options too.
i would be horrified to be called out committing an act of blatant hypocrisy and then i click into the incel thread and deeped how broken brains can actually become.
[–]i_love_crazy_hobos 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i don’t know what this means
[–]A_Wild_Zeus_Chase 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wow there’s a lot to unpack here. Lots of half truths.
First, your “frame”. This concept was popularized by a pickup artist named Mr.Mystery, but gets most of its good parts for a branch of psychology called compliance training.
Essentially, it boil down to that to get a women to agree to your “request” to sleep with you, it helps to have her agree with other requests first, and also that to get anyone to agree to your requests, it helps to start small and build.
Both of which are true, but if your on a date and the girl asks you to pass the salt, and your going in with this mentality of “never agree to any requests because it shows a weak frame”, your gonna have a bad time.
Next, “all women are sluts”. This is much more accurately said as “a large percentage of women can be persuaded to sleep with you if you know what you are doing” but the idea that all women are thinking about and fiending for sex every second is so laughably untrue, and contradicts the experience of almost every guy at almost every single moment of our lives, that it’s difficult to take him seriously.
As for emotion and goofiness, it’s true that goofiness during a bar pickup is not a good idea, but women are always attracted to passion, as long as that passion is directed toward what they consider is valuable.
So if you have a job, hobby or interest that is considered valuable by women (and since you can spin picking up puppy shit at a shelter as valuable, it gives you an idea of how big a list that is) you’ll always stand out and “create value” for yourself by showing passion about it, especially when your comparing yourself against bland stoic guys who’ve eaten up that same bs you have.
Your second to last sentence is your best. Be the manliest man you can while still being true to yourself.
And to build on that, the easiest way to have success with women is, based on everything you know about them, what they’ve said, what clothes they wear, what their job is, what their interests are, etc; construct a mental model in your head of what they’ll like and dislike.
Then compare that against things you like and don’t like, see if you have any similarities, and then focus your conversation on those things. It’s not lying, you are being true to yourself, but your showing the side or sides of yourself that will give you the best success.
And most importantly, update that mental model by the second, as you are talking to her! Learn from your mistakes, not just after but during, and you’ll see success.
So you’re basically saying to adapt to the individual woman and still be manly. The way the dude worded it out for the manly might’ve been really bad, but that was essentially his whole argument.
[–]A_Wild_Zeus_Chase 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes but remember, what being “manly” is for each women is different. Be manly in the sense you have principles you will not compromise on, and will fight for if need be, but don’t get too locked in to any specific words or actions. Instead customize yourself for each woman. Remember the motto of the marines “Improvise. Adapt. Overcome”
[–]SolidPuzzleheaded984 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You know he’s just saying that to sell people his courses and products right?
And a girl couldn’t care less about your “frame” if she’s not attracted to you in the first place.
You can’t negotiate attraction.
[–]Delicious_Ad_1853 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There's a mountain of toxicity in that, starting with "all women are [anything]".
Also, fretting about your height won't get you anywhere good. Focus on the factors you can control.
[–]the_golden_b 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Im not rlly worried abt my height like that. I just saw the thumbnail of the vid I was curious.
[–]zapadz 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here are videos on this subject
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Ls2TJKvLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMoSlt6inGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N-pQh8krs0
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop watching and listening to PUA con artists
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