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[–]Cali_Val 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well... Yeah, most of us we're nerds. still are.
but the thing that makes nerds better, is we learn, we study, we are intelligent and we figure out what works and what doesn't.
So yeah, pick up IS strategy. I love it that way. and trust me, over some natural, I got some heavy ass game that can break down even the sickest player out there. (well naturals)
fuck your post
[+]johnykoops[S] -6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If your "game" was so tight you wouldnt be on a seduction forum on a friday night
[–]Cali_Val 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey man, I've lived my large and grand scheme of pickup, if I want to calm down, I can. Trust buddy, been with lots, in fact im just with one NOW, tryin to make some actual love happen. so im here, helping others like when I was younger, so they can have fun and success too.
but if you want to be a little bitch about it, then go ahead and be a little bitch about it. doing the same thing
[–]turtle_thunder 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lol
[–]ThePUA_Baddie 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"A pick up artist is like a soldier in enemy territory, sneaking in and out of a womans life in the night, plundering and selfishly taking what they need, then crawling back to the other side of the abyss with the spoils, to celebrate with his henchmen."
OP clearly made this thread just to post this last bit, clearly for the lulz
[–]ThePUA_Baddie 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're generalizing for this community too much. To me, I see pick up as a hobby. The reason I use terms such as "approach", "set" and "opener is because they are short and easy to write. I don't want to write "I was talking to this girl" when I can just write "I was in set". Or that "my opening line was __" when I can write "my opener was _".
[–]johnykoops[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Talking to a woman shouldnt be seen as a hobby. It should be integrated into your daily life. If your logic was correct about using these words to simply abbreviate a normal action, then do you say "I opened my mum in the kitchen" ? Of course you don't.
[–]ThePUA_Baddie 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes my logic is correct because we are TYPING. If you didn't realize, speaking is faster than typing so to save time and energy I keep it short
[–]omarm1984 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I think I see where you are coming from but this post is just bizarre. Learn how to construct a proper argument first. Everything you wrote is misinformed to put it lightly, not to mention vague and higly debatable.
By the way, pickup is not about controlling a woman through strategy, its about taking control of yourself and taking the right action.
[–]johnykoops[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
In Pick up the core motivation is the acquisition of women - it's hard-coded into the DNA of pickup. Whether you choose a mechanical methodology using routines & scripts or follow natural game principles, you are still operating from this core motivation of 'taking'. The problem with this, is that if you go out with the sole intention to TAKE, and you are unsuccessful in taking, you face all the pickup symptoms such as Rejection, Blow outs, Approach Anxiety and so on. Solutions are formed to destroy anxiety, suppress it, desensitise to it, meditate through it. Yet these are only ways to negate something that is unnecessarily created in the first place. Created through a flawed system grounded in taking.
[–]omarm1984 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Its a two way street, you are acquiring the woman by making her feel good emotions. In fact, pickup wouldnt work if the woman wasnt taking some value from you also.
Its human nature to take whats in your best interest.
[–]johnykoops[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
well Omarm, what youre talking about is give and receive. you may take a girl by tha hand and lead her to the bedroom, but youre consciousness is on her and her experience which is the intention of giving. In pick up the consciousness is that of taking.
[–]omarm1984 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This is precisely why I find your argument bizarre and malconstructed. You can "pickup" a girl by giving, just like you can pickup a tomato from the supermarket by waiting for it to jump into your hand. It does not work that way.
In an age where women are self sufficient and don't need a male for survival, our old strategy of "provide and she will come to you" no longer works, therefore you need a new strategy. The strategy is not "take" the girl but to efficiently and attractively show her your value.
The fact that most men practicing this are nerds (although thats quickly changing) is probably because they are more likely to search the internet for answers.
[–]shadeia 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Regardless of who I agree with I find more validity in Omarm's reasoning. Johny seems to be equating "pickup" as a negative process to steal a woman's dignity when in reality it's a tactful way to express oneself to put it simply. Our genetics are simple in regards to women, we desire them. When a caveman desired a woman he took her. Since then we have evolved, learned to respect each other as humans, and developed new ways to express our value and desire. On a final note IMO it sounds like Johnny tried some lines he saw on this forum and they didn't work out for him so now he is back trying to let out his frustrations with himself by picking a fight. It's part of the process Johnny let it go along with your insecurities and you will find what works for you. Bro-Tip: Acting butthurt because something didn't go your way is a major turn-off.
[–]johnykoops[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for your feedback. I am posting, because I am liberating men from the pick up illusion. you may not see it now, but pick up is not the same as being good with women. We are tricked into thinking it's the same thing. But it’s not. A woman isn't a ‘Target’, nor is a group of girls a ‘Set’. Just because we interact with a woman, does NOT mean it's an ‘Approach’, If we swap numbers, it's not a ‘Number close’. This is just the language of “The Game". We've been playing this ‘game’ for so long that we've forgotten it's not real life, it's just the militaristic description of reality created by pick up.
[–]shadeia 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Is the result of both actions the same? Posting contradictory statements on a forum is hardly an effective way to "liberate" men. This forum is hardly visible on the spectrum of men that play"The Game". I would suggest worrying about improving yourself before you attempt to persuade others against improving themselves. That's what this forum is about.
[–]johnykoops[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
i'm all for improvement of men, however improvement cannot be made whilst in pick up. I don't see whats contradictory about my post. Theres a difference between being good with women and being pick up artist. At first i thought it was the same thing. But it really isn't.
[–]shadeia 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This subreddit isn't about being a pick-up artist. There are some posts about that and explanations of tactics used by them to help understand talking to women, but the intention is to focus on oneself to improve overall well being. Let people do what they want to do. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you have to annoy people. I didn't like being in Iraq the last six months, but I didn't bitch about it on the I love Iraq forum.
[–]johnykoops[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for your feedback. I have no problem with "taking" action with a woman, ie "taking" her by the hand, "taking" her up to the bedroom, "taking" her face and pulling her into a kiss BUT, you miss the point - this is just the mechanical action, the INTENTION is giving. Giving means, putting your consciousness on her, creating, sharing, building together. this cannot happen in pick up because the emphasis is on acquisition of women.
[–]_Pudi1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I think I understand the overall point of your message (don't treat women like something to be won), and I agree with it, but I also think you could do better in communicating it. While your point is getting through, it's also blindsided by how much it sounds like you hate nerds and "little-boy-strategy games". Having an overall negative and bitter tone to what is supposed to be a motivating message isn't going to do a whole lot for you.
[–]johnykoops[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for your feedback. i dont hate nerds, neither do I hate little boy strategy games, but I do hate it when it applies to the acquisition of women.
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