The truth about learning game and improving

mqriles · 2018-05-11T20:36:50+00:00

Yes I get your point, but not everyone wants to bang "9s and 10" and fuck houndreds of girls and have threesomes (sounds exhausting tbh). Some dudes just want relationships or meet lots of women until they find the ones that are relationship material. Let your outcomes decide what to learn, and then proceed to learn and practice the things that will get you your outcome.

Of course, I'm presupposing you guys know what you want. If you don't then that should be the first thing and not a generic "I wanna get better with girls".

kibberty · 2018-05-11T21:27:04+00:00

Thoughts? Almost everyone is relying on either 'numbers game' or 'looks game'. Pretty sure JMULV has paid for most of his lays, too lol

If you have banged hundreds of girls including 10's (and you say you're game isn't good), then I'd imagine you for example, are relying on both. (you're almost certainly very good looking, and likely approach loads, too)

There's very few people out there who have actual 'game' (ugly guy who has a high hit rate with hot girls). VERY few!

DarkArtsPUA11 · 2018-05-11T21:50:48+00:00

first of all, "game" doesn't exist. when i hear the word "game" i think of PUAs that believe they can walk up to a hot girl in a nightclub and talk their face away. doesn't work. don't believe me? try it. there's a reason why you're getting blown out left and right by each hot girl you open. what's that reason? put simply, the conversion rate of these cold approaches is inherently low. you believe that you can use "game" to skyrocket this rate so that eventually you can "pull orgies with 10s every night". this is such an absurd way of thinking. do you ACTUALLY believe that you can simply go up to a girl, spit your magic words, and suddenly she's begging for your cock? you are delusional. and this is why i don't support the notion of "game". it makes people believe retarded things and act like complete jack asses.

you have a lot of dumbfuck headed morons in the PUA community that believe they know it all. when in reality they are mentally masturbating to the bullshit they have been fed. look at what you said:

The real way to improve is to seek to optimize every single thing you do and analyze every piece of advice objectively and cross reference what the top guys are doing.

cool, sounds fucking awesome man. but what the hell does that shit even mean when it comes to getting girls. it means absolutely nothing. and you can see this if you've been doing this for YEARS and have interacted with SHIT TONS of women. what you will notice is that you're not playing a uniform dating game. your reality of "game" is not applicable to every girl that you approach. this is why screening is so important. most coaches do themselves a HUGE disservice by not focusing on screening

how do you get good at this shit? you learn to screen better, you learn how to be fucking normal, you get some value in your life so that you're not a fucking PUA loser, then you start hitting up girls. even if you're a top guy you won't be fucking a majority of the girls you come in contact with. anyone trying to sell you that they fuck something like 10-20% of the girls they open in a club is horse shit. what's the real success rate? well, for an average joe i would say you should be happy with a 1/20 lay rate in the club. this is for an average white dude, nothing special about him. if you're taller, better looking, buff, you can increase that lay rate. to extend on this, you know what an even bigger problem is? most guys can't even do 20 sets in one night. they get burnt out after a 3,5, or 7. which is totally understandable. approaching 7 girls in one night and having interactions with them is a decent amount. so with a 1/20 lay rate you probably won't even get laid every night you get out, probably 1 out of every 3 nights

Socialinception · 2018-05-12T01:33:35+00:00

I mean, if you've hooked up with 100+ girls many of whom are hot, you're game doesn't suck. Sure, if you're comparing yourself to what's possible, you could be a lot better, but so could anyone. If you compare yourself to the population at large you're probably in the top 1% - so, even though you make mistakes, you do a lot more things right than more guys.

EZ-Pizza · 2018-05-12T02:38:55+00:00

stop listening to anyone who doesn’t know what their talking about. Anyone without hundreds of confirmed lays, threesomes, many with girls that are 9s and 10s.

lol... how is one supposed to confirm this?

"What's that sir? You're telling me you've had sex with women hundreds of times, most of whom were 9's and 10's? Hold on, let me just grab my handy-dandy polygraph that I keep on me at all times to confirm this."

If you want to get good at something, obviously you want to talk to an expert in that field; that's common sense. But you can't exactly confirm expertise in a field like pick-up.

If I wanted to build a house without any prior knowledge of home building, I could watch someone build one, I could consult an expert who has a certification or a good amount of verifiable experience... I can't exactly do that with a PUA. What am I supposed to do? Follow him home and watch him have sex? The best you can do is watch their cold approaches, but even then only a small portion of the girls they close on will end up having sex with them.

Also, from my experience, many guys do not understand what a "10" actually is. 5 is an average woman, not hot or ugly. If we assume the attractiveness of all women is graphed as a bell curve with standard distribution, then like 80% of all women would fall between a 3 and a 7. 1's and 10's are extremities, as in you'll probably only see a few of these (in person) in your lifetime. Girls who are 10's are more than likely making a career off of how attractive they are; they're not just hanging out at your local nightclub. Tons of guys hook up with 5's (and there's nothing wrong with that) but when you ask them to rate the girl, they pretty much always choose a number between 6 and 10 to protect their ego. Think about it: when have you ever heard a guy say a girl was a 1 or a 2? Never, right? So, again, if we're assuming female attractiveness is a bell curve with standard distribution, then 9's and 10's will be just as rare as 1's and 2's

Lord_Augastus · 2018-05-12T03:40:40+00:00

Some men just want the confidence and knowledge and ability to pull, so that when they do come across those women they truly desire they will not turn to putty and ruin their chances. Because in the long game, the superficial lays and senseless sex is just another thing that gives many no real value in life. Having the tools to look for the one who are both sexually and mentally on par with the needs and being able to attract and keep them is the aim of the game. There are so many fish in the sea, but we arent going to be chasing them all for the rest of our lives, having comfort and a relationship is an end goal after all, and even if it doesnt work moving on to the next fish until you find another that attracts on a deeper level is just another level of the game of life.

having fun and living life is a good part, getting lays and having fun is most guys objective. but even for players there comes a time when they feel like they want to pursue something deeper.

Those that give advice do so with the intent it will give someone that missing peace they dont have. Even experts make mistakes, so learning from them is the key. You waffle on about your past exes too much to a girl, she becomes disinterested. You get to sexual too soon, you risk coming off as a one track kinda minded guy.

Analysing objectively information you are given is just good life advice.

hunterpua · 2018-05-12T05:48:15+00:00

You should optimize every single thing you do but that also includes everything outside of cold approach.

I'm in the same percentile as you and I can say with confidence that I'm not playing a numbers game because I put myself in positions where its easier to fuck me than to reject me.

This is basically what I mean by that: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/8eded6/comment/dxufxvh?st=JH2Z0T7F&sh=28917f95

Title	The truth about learning game and improving
Author	Haffiesprolapse
Upvotes	7
Comments	25
Date	May 11, 2018 8:20 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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