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Venusian Arts Scam

SimplyFly

August 16, 2011

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http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=13224

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Title	Venusian Arts Scam
Author	SimplyFly
Upvotes	0
Comments	49
Date	August 16, 2011 5:16 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/jkn20/venusian_arts_scam/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/seduction/venusian-arts-scam.1289862 https://theredarchive.com/post/1289862

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[–]SimplyFly[S] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I am the original author (check my e-mail address, it is quote on the thread)

If you have any questions please contact me on [email protected] (the e-mail address quoted on the correspondence with Discovery) or skype: CFlack8472.

Most of the questions I get are repeated. I.e Legitimacy. Please read all forum posts to get a comprehensive view and opinion of the developments in this case.

Most people don't believe this happed to me I will post a link back to this on PUA hate.

http://www.thelss.com/forum/index.php?topic=32001.0 <-- Most detailed apart from PUA hate. http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1827727 http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=492947 http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/here-vp492623.html#492623 http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=492622

More links on other forums will follow.

[–]ImKumarYo 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]SimplyFly[S] 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]kentrel 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Say you signed up for a self help course. You tell the people your goals, your hopes, your private thoughts, but you hope they can help. Eventually you realize they are a bunch of clowns, and want out. They then threaten to send their buddy, "an ex army officer" around to your house to collect the money. They threaten to embarrass you and send people you know videos of you exposing your thoughts. Here's the part in the email where he says it

"Yes, if embarrassment helps provoke your pain and want to avoid further, yes I will share with your parents - I have all your emails of why you want to do the program and even videos of you at Vegas infield and in classroom."

Disgusting. How is that any different from what the Church of Scientology threaten to do to their members when they leave and try to talk about their experiences. It's blackmail.

Now imagine they also threatened to contact your employer, and tell them the same thing,even though it's none of your business.

Normal debt collection companies don't do this. It's ILLEGAL. That's why this is so outrageous. What Venusian Arts threatened to do is ILLEGAL.

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[–]kentrel 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Obviously they wouldn't be so threatening

Well that's the key difference, wouldn't you agree? There's a process for legal debt collection, and a person has a legal right to dispute it, legally, especially if the service wasn't as-promised. They have certain rights, and the legal process is there for them to exercise it.

The extent of the threat is serious, and frightening, because it steps outside the legal boundaries, and puts the guy in a position where he's frightened that no matter what he does he has no legal recourse. They've threatened him with physical and psychological harm, rather than going the LEGAL route.

Is that gangster-like behavior or normal?

Say you forget to pay your phone bill, or you are not happy with some service and are disputing a charge. So rather than sending you a debt collection letter and allowing you to dispute it in the legal way they threaten to send your friends and employers details of the people you've been talking to, contents of your private text messages and emails? If those messages were sufficiently personal or embarrassing enough to you, you might feel threatened into just paying for the service you didn't want rather than following the legal route. That would be a fucked up, wouldn't you agree?

Compare that to how VA have handled this. Are they pros or are they operating a "Pay us or we humiliate you" scam?

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The way that I see it is there are two separate issues.

First, everything that led up to the threats. Second, everything after that point.

In regards to the second point, I can not defend Discovery and how he dealt with the situation. Do I think it's acceptable? No. That doesn't not mean however that he isn't fit to teach anybody.

On the first point, its my opinion that OP was entirely in the wrong. If he wasn't happy with the services he should have dealt with that. Ignoring someone who you agreed to pay money to will never end well and in my opinion it is definitely OP's fault.

On a final point, in a perfect world you wouldn't pay for unsatisfactory services. This is not a perfect world however and if Discovery can argue that he provided the services he claimed he would, it's on the OP to either pay up or fight that legally. Simply not paying is only going to lead to poor consequences in the future regardless of how shitty a way this was handled by Venusian Arts.

I'd also like to add that I am completely unbiased here. I do not know OP nor have I ever read VA material to my knowledge. I have no idea who Discovery is.

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