Why you're better off without [verbal] game

ArMcK · 2010-10-15T15:46:51+00:00

Okay, so this discussion has been going on for a while now. Assanova is basically advocating natural game over verbal game. How ridiculous is this? Are you really going to pull a girl from a club without saying one word to her? Doubt it. Are you going to pull her using verbal game only? Again, not likely. Both are needed.

insickness · 2010-10-15T16:43:13+00:00

I couldn't disagree more with this. Assonava has admitted before in his posts that he's a good looking guy. If you want more of the type of women that you've already gotten--women in your physical caliber--then by all means, drop game.

But if you're looking to improve yourself, to become more ballsy, then you need to take risks. You need to be willing to amp up the sexuality or do some other things that risk getting you rejected by the woman.

I could play it safe. In fact I have in the past. I could get a 100% successful opening rate with women. I could go in and befriend them and get them to like me. But it's an uphill battle from there getting them to comply, getting them to meet you for a date, or getting them to go along with your sexual escalation.

Instead, if you risk rejection, you also get massive attraction from a woman because you're showing balls instead of playing it safe.

If you are just starting off in this game and have a lot of approach anxiety, then by all means, start off with simple things that won't risk rejection. There's no sense in making things harder on yourself than it needs to be. First master the basics like body language, and successful opening and get comfortable with talking to strangers.

But when you're ready to amp it up, when you're ready to start talking to truly attractive women, women who have previously been out of your league, you're going to need to start taking risks.

Eric

modernsavage · 2010-10-15T15:36:19+00:00

This is something that's been sitting in the back of my head for quite some time now and I think Assanova really hits the nail on the head with this post. A lot of times, the verbal game that many of the PUAs teach is really shooting ourselves in the foot, and those off chances that you do hook-up by using a routine or canned opener is not because of those lines, but despite those lines.

I think seduction needs to move to a more simplified process in which it's less modular, a la Mystery Method, and more focus on fundamental self improvement such as: body language, being generally social, improving style, getting in shape, developing your own stories by having many great experiences, etc.

Though, I still do believe there is some systematic approach to seduction, for example, just simply having a conversation with a woman consisting of general small talk isn't going to do much unless you are displaying your intentions and deliberately escalating the interaction.

Sorry for rambling, just had to get those thoughts down in words :)

Title	Why you're better off without [verbal] game
Author	modernsavage
Upvotes	0
Comments	9
Date	October 15, 2010 3:29 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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