You're getting played.

MediocreHolocaust · 2017-11-29T00:31:08+00:00

We don't hate the trp or mra's. We make fun of trp because of it's an easy target "LIFT AND HOLD FRAME BRO!" it's funny. You's can make fun of us aswell, we don't mind.

MRA's are wasting their time. I respect their blind drive to change things, but at the end of the day, they got their strategies wrong. They need to be discussing male strikes. Picket signs do nothing for men.

SCROTAL-SACK · 2017-11-29T00:12:28+00:00

Got nothing against MRA's. They're fighting for equality. It's TRP's and their deluded sense of superiority I cringe at. They are pussy-worshipers. Shaping their entire life and goals in the pursuit of pussy. And projecting their own headfuck on us.. as in, if EVERY man isn't chasing the meat-cave, then they must be losers. I don't crave it that much. It's so dam overrated it ain't even funny.. but hey, its usually them who attack us for some reason.

NondeductibleWays · 2017-11-29T03:43:25+00:00

Every branch of the manosphere is related. TRP, PUA, and Incel are like the brothers of MGTOW. PUA is that older brother that has the convertible with a mullet and 2 bitches in the car with him. TRP is like that "bro" frat brother that lifts weights and always tells you "you're doing it wrong" in the gym. Men's rights guys are your "im going to a rally today" brothers. And incels are your creepy little brother that can't seem to figure it out and just gets angry and starts cutting himself and getting in fights, despite having all the booksmarts and knowledge he needs to do so. MGTOW is that middle-child that looks around and says "to hell with all that" and either stays in their room with games, or goes out but keeps to themselves unless they're trying to make some money or doing some kind of hobby.

Emanresu_rouy_esoohc · 2017-11-29T00:03:24+00:00

Nah, they are not the enemy, but they are also not friends. We are already divided into the smallest group, the individual.

davebrain · 2017-11-29T00:16:28+00:00

MRAs (who aren't also MGTOW) and PUAs cannot solve anything. Only MGTOW can fix the system because pussy worshippers will always rig it to favor women.

BPWhiteKnightMangina · 2017-11-29T00:00:00+00:00

Settle down, going your own way implies divided anyway. TRP and most MRAs are idiots I don’t have to agree with them just because you think we should remain united.

You think PUA and worshipping pussy from a wanna be alpha standpoint is useful for the “Manosphere”?

balancedben · 2017-11-29T02:19:12+00:00

Piss off mangina. I don't trust you.

TB409 · 2017-11-29T00:08:04+00:00

Cry me a river.

dead_man_dreaming · 2017-11-29T05:54:47+00:00

Old mgtow here, I agree 100% with you, many years ago when this all started, we were all together trying to figure out the nature and mechanics of the game, no name calling, no divisions, just we men, helping improve ourselfs by going our own way. Yes its sad to see this divisions and fighting between us.

Edit: Reading some comments, I can assure you all, that no matter if pua, trp etc. with AGE, you will eventually land in mgtow. Some are lucky with timewise.

PeaceHere · 2017-11-29T09:41:35+00:00

I didn't know there was a bias here against MRA. They seem to be for "men's rights" and tough to argue with that. And TRP is a young man's game, while it's absurd to spend so much time and energy on women, it really can be excellent to have sex with a hot chick when you are younger, so arguably worth some of the grief. It's still often more efficient to just pay a hooker, but I don't blame young dudes for trying to score chicks.

For me, it's gotten to "I'm too old for this shit" level and also my testosterone dropped enough that I'm not temporarily insane when I get horned up. I can see everything more clearly now and women aren't worth the f'ing effort, because the aggravation is still high and the payoff is much lower.

So when I go to TRP sub and read it, it seems like a lot of wasted time and energy, but I can think back to my younger days and I get it.

dumasgrey · 2017-11-29T01:09:14+00:00

Even in the TRP post bashing MGTOW as blue pill behavior, you could have scrolled down to see the comments disapproving of it.

''It's a decline, why not enjoy it'' TRP asks us. The MGTOW sage replies ''I know/have seen where it will lead to, you lads have fun''.

slyn69 · 2017-11-29T00:11:00+00:00

What difference does it make? TRP leads to mgtow eventually, and once ur mgtow that’s it. It’s the final stop on the ride and nothing else matters.

Mister_Mask · 2017-11-29T02:44:49+00:00

No. You fucking stop.

Everyone is a worthy target for criticism, satire, ridicule and even just plain insults. And if you don’t like it then that’s your problem.

It’s clear from your responses to other commenters that you are actively trying to promote the “manosphere” as an identity group. That is dangerous. Collectivism and identity politics is how all this mess got started. I was an individualist long before I even knew MGTOW existed. I don’t need “brotherhood” or support to enjoy my own life in the way that I choose, and I am deeply suspicious of those who advocate for it as strongly as you are.

wokeaspie · 2017-11-29T04:14:44+00:00

This is what TRP has to say about us:

MGTOW

MGTOW is another lifestyle that wrongly gets lumped in with TRP. In my opinion there is nothing more beta than MGTOW. MGTOW men are simply men who celebrate the fact they are incel rather than be shamed about it.

...

MGTOW is male hamstering for quitters who need a way to justify themselves and feel good about themselves for giving up. It has a nice ring to it and on the surface sounds like great justification for exiting the sexual marketplace. "Yeah! Fuck Women! MGTOW! I don't need women!" Are you trying to convince others, or yourself?

No mention of the dudes who got cut off at the knees in family court or who turn away in disgust when faced with the incredible vanity and narcissism of western princesses. Nope, we're all incels. What a joke.

I have the greatest respect for MRAs but TRPs are cucks-in-training that are lining up at the pedestal for their chance to give half their shit away.

TheOldEskimo · 2017-11-29T07:42:34+00:00

I agree.

TRP, MGTOW, and Incels are all brothers in my book.

We're just doing different things with the same information and different lots in life.

I'm actually bummed r/incels went down. I felt for those guys -- there were some depressing kernels of truth in there and I can understand why they're angry.

Kawaii_Knight · 2017-11-29T03:15:27+00:00

I’ll do whatever the fuck I want tyvm.

rtmlex · 2017-11-29T06:55:26+00:00

Got nothing personal against those guys. They believe in their crap and I believe in mine. But I absolutely resent the sad pieces of shit trying to sell their pussy slavery tactics on here, including you.

whiteknightofhate · 2017-11-29T13:32:51+00:00

Thank you, I've also been noticing an uptick of "we're different and better and this is why!" bullshit lately from mgtow. Disappointing. TRP is great. MGTOW is great. Different strokes for different folks. Fuck, I've picked up a tip or two from those guys back when I had my first big breakup and they're honest and generally caring people.

Gentlemen, I believe the human world is likely going to end in the next twenty or thirty years. Whether you choose to get your dick wet or go monk mode for the final stage of this planet is not important. What is important is what you're doing up until the end. Make your intentions pure, folks. Distill a new form of compassion, because you'll likely need it for the coming changes.

cancelee · 2017-11-29T01:43:42+00:00

I started on TRP on an old account, now I'm here. I've never understood the back and forth hate between the two subs by some people.

Poofysmoof · 2017-11-29T01:46:06+00:00

They all come from the same mindset, just each subset uses the information differently. I’m sure it’s just new guys seeking attention with the hating on each other. TRP is at the core of all this, looking at society through a different lenses is what makes all this possible.

Mgtow understands the dangers and has chosen a withdrawal tactic. TRP the name is the same as main mindset but the actual sub caters to younger men, men that are still needing to sow their oats per se. They use this information to navigate the relationship world. MRA well they see the problem and in their own way are trying to fix it. MRAs can be men from many different mindsets, shit there are some that are still bluepill but are just trying to see their kids more.

If you understand all this there is nothing to fight about, or shit on each other. We are all the same, just dealing with life using different strategies. We are all men trying to enjoy life as best as we can.

iamlikethewindbaby · 2017-11-29T02:19:55+00:00

I've been here forever. TRP is an easier pill to swallow that leads some men here, that's it's only value.

I don't know enough to about men's rights to comment on it, but it seems like a lot of work.

Fyodor007 · 2017-11-29T03:30:25+00:00

I have no opinion about the other groups, but what is making you so salty? All I have seen is "we are different from... because..."

MGTOW don't need allies. We share stories, but we aren't some collective. For the most part we are just a bunch of individualists who just want to be left alone.

dot_dot_beep · 2017-11-29T04:11:45+00:00

There is no fucking movement.

Mgtow is a philosophy. Those other "groups" are movements full of morons.

Mgtow understand the fight is futile. We're enjoying our time instead of proselytizing bullshit activist masturbation.

drogosan · 2017-11-29T07:13:46+00:00

I agree, OP. The division between MGTOW and TRP is childish. I'd say 95% of TRP and MGTOW beliefs overlap. MGTOWs are just red pillers who've gone monk mode for whatever reason, but both are avidly anti-marriage, anti-feminist, pro-individual etc.

LuxuriousComa · 2017-11-29T07:37:48+00:00

Wait let me guess. The (((((ones))))) who are dividing and conquering are a certain ethnic group?

Fuck off back to pol with your conspiracy horseshit chantard. I’m so fucking tired of your swamp fever dreams and zitty virginal delusions. GTFO scum.

FWIW, TRP is a shithole of roidheads and rapists, and MRAs are too pathetic to even discuss.

lone_nordic_wolf · 2017-11-29T09:11:44+00:00

I agree. There are differences. Taking the red pill is at the root of it, and is a shared theme.

Cannot let ourselves be divided and conquered, even if we’re not the same.

We still go our own way, but let the MRAs fight the battles as they please without giving them shit. Hell, support them if it aligns with your personal interest and worth your time, no judgement from me. I doubt the outcomes, if they actually make change, will hurt us or stop us from doing what we want.

The PUAs likely aren’t helping the MRAs (adding fuel to the gynocentric fire the MRAs battle), however if they want to chase squish, I won’t judge, not my place to.

Do what you want, but the only men that need to get some shit are the blue pills and white knights. Make em eat red pill.

NiceIce · 2017-11-29T09:46:06+00:00

I completely agree with you. There are strength in numbers.

Our enemies know - divide and conquer. Let's not do it to ourselves for them.

Painislove2016 · 2017-11-29T13:18:39+00:00

They’re trying to pull the same shit over at r/the_donald. Divide & conquer.

They post these hyper-Christian pieces in an attempt to split the sub along religious/non-religious lines.

Good post, call this shit out when/where you see it.

imPwP · 2017-11-29T14:02:30+00:00

FUCKING EXACTLY.

I've been seeing so many divide and conquer posts lately too. I don't know if these newbies are to blame or what - but they are all warring on ideologies like idiots. STOP becoming women who hate each other just for the fuck of hating.

mechdemon · 2017-11-29T15:13:15+00:00

I'll have to agree with OP on this; There are too many similarities among the various parts of the manosphere to deny that we all have common ground - its simply the focus on one factions OWN patch of ground that causes this conflict.

However, each faction has the same thing at the core: Frustration. Whether this is sexual frustration, the injustice of family court, or even the sheer exhaustion that is putting up with women, this is the common thread that binds us all - we see something wrong and want to fix it, in our own way.

If TRP finds pleasure in the hunt and the chase, then that is their business no matter how foolish it may look to MGTOW. If TRP thinks that MGTOW's tendency to go perma-monk is imbalanced, then that's fair too - perhaps we should keep a more open mind about such criticisms.

And regardless of how spergy incels can get, we should really back off. Remember - There but for the grace of god go I. That's not to say they should be allowed to run roughshod, but that a little understanding of their rage and despair could go a long way toward helping them.

We are brothers, and we will fight with each other, because thats what brothers do...but at the end of the day we are still brothers.

Iceklimber · 2017-11-29T15:57:10+00:00

So-called MRA mocker chiming in.

Notice the first sentence establishing how I passively support them.

With that said, many noteable MGTOWs and I have demonstrated how Men's Rights Activists lack...

...success at activating rights for men. Get this in your head: Under the 'accomplishments' section they list a clear-cut case of legally assisting Taron James. This man lost his money to child support for a kid which was provably not his own.

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That is my publically advocated stance on MRAs. To change it, show me how and where they accomplish something. For example, display how MRAs are about to turn around the Australian trend of divorce rape which has been getting progressively worse to be enforceable beyond marriage: in Common-law or even long-distance relationships where the 'couple' never lived together.

Present facts, logic and reason. Not shaming with the 'We must hold hands together!'-esque emotional appeal.

As TFM said, you can still be an MRA. But you have to be MRA if that engagement is fulfilling to you in and of itself, not with the expectation of accomplishing change.

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In regards to TRP, biology is gynocentric so naturally many men will process red pill knowledge only to the extent of acquiring pussies. Which is fine.

Everyone should do what makes them happy and act on their own priorities. Being TRP does not render them better or worse than us.

Joel928 · 2017-11-29T16:22:58+00:00

Red Pill principals and understanding the true nature of women is essential knowledge for every man - it's causing a global cultural earthquake which will be felt for generations.

Let's not confuse that with the comments of a few dipshits on the TRP Reddit.

Takakazu_Kinashi · 2017-11-29T16:52:28+00:00

All areas of the internet where 'right wing' topics are discussed - ie where the small number of people who have not lost their minds discuss - are saturated with professional trolls, troll computer programmes and useful idiots who have been sicced on them.

NostalgiaZombie · 2017-11-29T01:37:55+00:00

Amen.

i can't believe I have arrived at this, but I am coming to the conclusion that men need to associate as a collective to get enough pull to influence meritocracy again.

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mentalidade_logica · 2017-11-29T03:44:28+00:00

I totally agree.

redsfan277 · 2017-11-29T06:16:01+00:00

i 100% agreed.

Used to be hugely into TRP not for the chasing the pussy aspect but for the wisdom and information of other gents going thru the same stuff i was going thru.

'Why did my girlfriend say she loved me and then treated me like shit, why was she testing me, why did this girl ignore me then was all over me when i had a gf'

Shit like that i was reading similar stories and similar shit from other guys' field reports on women.

From there i read about MGTOW and decided to give it a go. Here there is a lot less talking about what your current gf is doing and how that shit is manipulation.

MGTOW makes things simpler and just says no matter what you do AWALT and in the end you have lots more to lose than to gain. No longer its cheap to raise your kids and have them walk in your footsteps. So marriage aint worth it.

Anyway i like all the manosphere stuff. I dont like the divide and conquer mentality

Teflon0819 · 2017-11-29T12:34:01+00:00

TRP and incels are similar in the sense that they use women to measure their self-worth. They are also similar in the way that many of them deny the above, either by incels pretending to be MGTOW, or by TRP guys pretending that their motivation for self-improvement isn't ultimately driven by their desire for female validation.

In that respect they're two sides of the same gynocentric coin, and essentially irreconcilable with MGTOW.

Besides, an alleged divide and conquer campaign wouldn't affect my ability to live a MGTOW lifestyle in the slightest.

BK20177 · 2017-11-29T13:45:07+00:00

I like neither TRP nor MRA, so no, I won't stop.

sidel3 · 2017-11-29T05:47:13+00:00

Unfortunately, men do not get along. Biology.

Title	You're getting played.
Author	Lyradex
Upvotes	149
Comments	122
Date	November 28, 2017 11:56 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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