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Woman mistakes sex partner - rape

escobari

December 20, 2011
10 upvotes
/r/MensRights

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Title Woman mistakes sex partner - rape
Author

escobari

Upvotes 10
Comments 11
Date December 20, 2011 9:59 AM UTC
(14 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/njpb2/woman_mistakes_sex_partner_rape/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/woman-mistakes-sex-partner-rape.1030300
https://theredarchive.com/post/1030300
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[+][deleted] 14 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]BinaryShadow 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I had to turn down some really sweet ass because of this a few years ago. It was gonna happen (even before the drinks were there) but then she had one too many. I took her home, gave her a hug, and left.

[–]overcontrol 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe one of the rules should be "Don't walk into dark alleys alone at night", because men are more likely to be a victim of violent crime than women are. Make no mistake, the man in the article is a victim of the Swedish legal system.

[–]ullere 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Wow thats a weird one, he wasn't charged with rape but with sexual abuse. He is not going to serve any prison time, but even 6 months suspended with 2 years probation could be seen as harsh for what is a case of mistaken identity.

'The man should have ensured that the drunk woman knew it was him she had sex with.'

Thats a bizarre judgement, this is however a very unusual case. The judge didn't throw the book at him, nor has he been placed on any kind of register. I'm not entirely sure how you are meant to make sure that a woman who is having sex with you knows that it's you.

Again I repeat, this was not rape, nor was it judged to be rape, nor was the man charged with rape. If you pretend to be someone else to have sex with someone it is not rape. However If the man delberately deceived this women in order to trick her into sex it's not the same as consensual sex, while I don't consider it criminal personally I do find it pretty rotten and I can understand why this judge in this case found it to be criminal. However it is not entirely clear if the man maliciously tricked the woman, or if the womam merely mistook him for a known lover.

[–]Hamakua 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well now the precedent is set that a "regretful lover" can lie the morning after a one night stand saying "I didn't know it was him, I thought it was someone else".

[–]escobari[S] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

dont know what that 'suspended' means, because it translates excatly to 'probation' too.
and what if the guy is drunk how is it his job to ensure mindreading the womans mind

[–]ullere 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Suspended normally means that if he is convicted of another crime within the 6 months he will need to serve his 6 months ontop of whatever additional sentence he gets for his new crime. Probation normally means he needs to adhere to certain conditions set forth by the court in order to avoid a sentence.

[–]overcontrol 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can understand why this judge in this case found it to be criminal.

I can't understand it at all. It simply is not sexual abuse. At worst's fraud... in the same sense that hiding vegetables in food to get your kid to eat it is fraud.

[–]clickity-click 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I strongly doubt a case like this would receive the same judgement in the U.S.A.

[–]he_cried_out_WTF 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. He'd be sent to jail.

[–]loose-dendrite 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he probably got off light. If I understand correctly, the woman set up a situation where she would have sex while asleep with only a particular person (or set of persons).. The convicted man had sex with her but wasn't someone she had consented to have unconscious sex with.

This article is really too short (and Swedish) for me to say. For instance, I can't tell if she told him to fuck her when she fell asleep but actually meant to tell someone else then he didn't do anything wrong. Hell, the title could just be mistranslated or wrong and she wasn't asleep. Not unlikely since the article says she mistook him, which she would have to be conscious to do. If she wasn't asleep then this ruling denies female agency by putting the onus on the man, which is bullshit.

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