My first introduction to anything remotely "redpill" was many years ago reading "Surely You're Joking Mr Feynman!". In that book there is a section in which Feynman discusses dating, and at the time I thought it was interesting but I thought something like "Wow, people were strange back then!" Apparently some people in TRP thought it was interesting too and the relevant excerpt is posted here: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1iyhjd/nobel_prizewinner_explains_red_pill/

I encourage you to read it, but I'll try to summarize:

Feynman is trying to meet women for sex in bars and having a poor time of it. He meets a man who demonstrates an understanding of the social dynamics at play who offers to teach Feynman some of what he knows. He explains his thought process a little "You must disrespect the girls", and gives just one rule "Furthermore, the very first rule is, don't buy a girl anything, not even a package of cigarettes until you've asked her if she'll sleep with you, and you're convinced that she will, and that she's not lying."

Feynman decides to try to apply this rule and spends the next day telling himself "that those bar girls are all bitches, that they aren't worth anything," and so on. When he gets to the bar that night, he sticks to the rule for the most part, but ends up paying for some sandwiches for a woman, Ann, who he is interested in. He realizes his mistake and insults her and demands she pay him back which she does. Then he goes to his teacher to admit his failure but the teacher reassures him that because he was paid back he adhered to the rule, so Ann will sleep with him. And contrary to Feynman's expectations (and mine when I first read it) the teacher is correct, and Ann comes back late that night looking for Feynman, and she takes him home.

I bring this up because I'd like to ask you (TRPers, TBPers, et al) some questions about it. For the sake of the questions please assume that events in the story occurred as Feynman described them. If this assumption is problematic for you, then you may say so, but please answer the questions as best you can with the assumption in place.

  1. Try and put yourself in Feynman's position. Why does "disrespect the girls" and "don't buy a girl anything" lead Feynman to think "those bar girls are all bitches," and similar thoughts? Why does he spend all day trying to think that way? When I first read the passage, that stood out the most to me as very strange.

Edit: I'd like to clarify that I'm interested in why Feynman went so far in his thinking. The teacher's lessons are just don't be a gentleman and don't buy things for women. The teacher did not say and the lessons do not necessarily lead to thinking of women as bitches, worthless, etc. Feynman went that far on his own initiative. Why?

  1. Try and put yourself in Ann's position. Why does she want to sleep with a man who insulted her and rudely refused to pay for sandwiches? Remember she even comes back late at night looking for him, when she could have just gone home. Also note that while the teacher said asking women for sex was okay, Feynman didn't actually do that with Ann.

Edit: It may be unclear from the way I worded this question, but I'm asking why Anne is interested in Feynman in this case specifically, and not why Ann would be interested in anyone who insulted her in general (which is probably not actually the case).

EDIT 2: I realize I phrased my questions poorly, so I'll try to clarify them further. I would expect TBP to say that Feynman was a Nice Guy or something similar, and for TRP to say he was being Beta or something similar, that's not particularly new information to me. Instead I would like people to try to put themselves in Feynman's position and try to answer as him. I'm not so interested in why you think Feynman behaved a certain way, as why you think Feynman thinks he behaved a certain way. I'm asking you to use your empathy. Remember that Feynman isn't some friendless introverted social shut in. At this point in his life Feynman has many friends and is a widower, he has already been married once, he knows how to successfully interact with people in most situations. Yet he has to radically change is approach in this case. Why does he think that is?

I would like you to do the same for Ann. Do you think Ann thinks Feynman was being respectful or disrespectful? Either way, what do you think her reasons are for choosing Feynman over being with the lieutenant or being alone? Are her reasons rational to some extent (for example maybe she thinks "I prefer him because I like how he stood up for himself") or purely emotional (for example maybe she just finds Feynman to be very attractive without being aware of any specific reasons for feeling that way).