Do Natural Alphas Even Exist?

smbgood · 2017-01-05T14:33:31+00:00

I think this boils down to women ignoring the process of change and only focusing on the end result. For this reason, natural vs 'crafted' alpha doesn't matter, you are what you give off.

I have a friend who I used to think of as a natural with women but the more I question him the more it seems he learned what to do through trial and error. Also the numbers game and a heaping dose of narcissism. All this born out of a desire to never go too long without feeling the inside of a vagina.

Myself, I see the lust for modern women as something akin to a drug. For that reason I exclude myself from the game

bossplayaintraining · 2017-01-05T15:26:47+00:00

Everybody learns how to be an alpha, there's no real such thing as a ''natural''.

Some just learn way earlier than others, due to positive feedback from childhood.

But as long as it appears effortless, it doesn't matter; that's the goal here.

debrope · 2017-01-05T16:34:07+00:00

All my friends who i would consider "natural alphas" had hardass fathers who became alphas themselves by having to overcome a somewhat rough childhood and, as a result, they never let their kid feel entitled. I think that type of upbringing breeds alphas, but it's rare nowadays in our politically correct society.

plutorising92 · 2017-01-05T15:48:36+00:00

Chateau Heartiste/Roosh(don't exactly remember) has a very good article on it and it makes a lot of sense. All behaviours are learned, Natural Alphas just have the benefit of observing them from someone early in their lives and then copying them, or stumbling upon what works by accident. They then refine it based on their own personalities over the years to see what works and what doesn't.

That is the only difference between a natural and a red piller. He's just learnt it before us and he's been practicing it from an earlier age. Even Mozart, hailed as a musical prodigy and genius(undoubtedly blessed though he was), started practicing at around the age of 4 IIRC. That is a lot earlier than other musicians.

I've seen naturals stumble in situations because they aren't aware of game in a proper sense, so sometimes they can't calibrate their behavior accordingly. The result was often a tantrum or sulking, this was in college.

Cantloginhere · 2017-01-05T15:57:00+00:00

Depends on your definition but I can think of at least a couple of my kid's friends that are naturals. Aged 6 or 7 staring me the fuck down answering the door! Bossing the other kids around and them not minding because of natural charisma and NFsG attitude.

Nature or nurture is difficult to determine because in each case one of their parents was simlier. Even at a young age they have reputation with the girls even though they are no oil painting.

[deleted] · 2017-01-05T16:46:51+00:00

Every time I've seen what I thought was a natural alpha, they turned out to be quite beta. Loudness and external confidence doesn't mean someone's not pussy whipped or operating in a scarcity mindset. Just my experience.

[deleted] · 2017-01-05T17:47:50+00:00

Depends on your parents. If your parents were strict and overprotective like mine were, you may have learned it in middle/high school through "trial and error". Not fucking fun.

Having an alpha older brother could also help significantly. I was out of luck on that one though (was the only son).

MrBellsprout123 · 2017-01-05T19:06:40+00:00

No such thing. Our child brains are way to receptive to information to be able to get it right without any lessons.. I thought I went to high school with some natural alphas, until I met their fathers.

No such thing.

Jtr334 · 2017-01-05T17:00:29+00:00

How tall is your Chad friend ?

CallMeHaseo · 2017-01-05T17:31:19+00:00

I consider chads natural alphas.. weather they acquire money and status is a different thing though

max_peenor · 2017-01-05T19:11:59+00:00

Yes. They are big and spectrum-autist sociopaths. They have a way of getting themselves killed young, though a couple of them built giant empires.

Before you call bullshit, think about it.

Govedo13 · 2017-01-05T19:15:46+00:00

I know 3-4 such guys. They do exist.

Brewjo · 2017-01-05T19:20:32+00:00

Nope, people are Bastard coated Bastards.

CQC3 · 2017-01-05T21:31:14+00:00

There are some, but they can fail due to change because they don't realize what made them succesful. Also, alpha is contextual. What makes a man an alpha in one area, is not overlapping necessarily to others. You can be a boss at work and a chump in bed.

Women also believe in the fantasy of a man who just "is that way", because they have and never will know the burden of performance that all men have, (perform or be worthless), they cannot understand or appreciate that a man makes himself, and is not ready to go. Even the so called naturals, prodigies and geniuses work hard, it just doesn't seem so because they don't make it look like work. When an average guy busts his ass in the same way and struggles, women see it as unattractive. This segues into a greater psychological truth--most people are impressed by the effortless than the boring truth of working hard and struggling. They want magic, not drudgery. However, if it is any person who is impressed by a tale of sweat and perseverance it is men, that's why chick flicks don't typically move us, but a story of the underdog overcoming the odds tends to move many men. We want to believe in our hard work.

dragondan · 2017-01-05T23:49:00+00:00

2 things

Everything is on a spectrum. And yes, some guys were born more aggresive, but that's only the seed, where it roots matters more.
Nurture vs Nature. How you are socialized is a bigger impact on the person you are. I can't emphasize enough how huge of an impact your formative childhood years are.

Insydeinformation · 2017-01-05T18:06:04+00:00

I think its natural and intractable. Alphas will be alphas forever and betas will be betas forever, even though they can fake being alpha, the facade will slowly fade with time.

Most of you guys are just angry about a (or) multiple bad experience (s), with women and that is the only reason you are here. If the right women comes along, you will forget all this shit and go back to your old ways.

For a guy like me, this is impossible. I don't have the same interests and desires as most guys. Even if marriage WAS a great deal for men, I still wouldn't do it.

Title	Do Natural Alphas Even Exist?
Author	Jtr334
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Date	January 5, 2017 2:25 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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