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6	Question for Blue: What do you look for in a mate?	Question for BluePill	YaBoiTibzz	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 04:49 AM
0	10 hrs in manhattan?		YaBoiTibzz	/r/TheRedPill	03/11/14 07:10 AM

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1	If TRP is incorrect, why do so many people buy into it? I don't think TRP is bullshit myself, but to be entirely fair, people get duped by garbage ideologies that ultimately don't work/are highly flawed all the damn time. Just think about communism, or the Nazis, or slavery in the American south. Or I mean just look at black lives matter and social justice and the legions of people lapping that bollocks up right now lol. If you argue popularity = validity then feminism should be much more "correct" than TRP	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/16 06:56 AM
4	So is it true that the average man can't get laid? Well for starters this is going to depend to an extent on definitions. For example, if a guy could theoretically get laid with a 300 lb landwhale, but refuses to, and laments that he can't get laid with women who are a healthy weight, does that count as "not being able to get laid?" I would say yes assuming the man is a healthy weight himself, but many (mainly BP ofc) would say no. Putting that aside, it's also important to be clear about what sort of frequency of sexual encounters and time fram…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/16 06:45 AM
5	To all you college kids: Here's a list of things I would do differently if I could be a student again Honestly if I could do undergrad over again I would just not give nearly as much of a fuck about girls or parties or w/e at all, not right away at least..... college is a time to be building value, I wish I had spent more time doing fitness and focusing on self-improvement than going to boring parties where I had no chance to get laid yet because I was still a low value awkward broke college student. Although if you are seeking to get laid in college, the tip about joining a frat is ridiculously…	/r/TheRedPill	07/07/16 06:35 AM
2	How common are incels? There's no way to know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that it's more common than any statistics or surveys would show due to social desirability bias. Most men who are incel would not want to admit it to anyone. In the same way that women will report fewer sexual partners on surveys than they have actually had, I'm sure there are some men who over-report how much sex they have or lie about their virginity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/16 08:12 PM
1	why is it that TRP supports trump unanimously ? he's the alfalfa male personified	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/16 08:04 PM
2	CMV: Female celibacy is entirely different than being a male incel, and should never be compared to male incels. Clearly you've never been in an American high school -__-	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/16 11:14 PM
6	CMV: Female celibacy is entirely different than being a male incel, and should never be compared to male incels. The difference being when women do it it's almost always a delusion and I'm confident that many who say they feel that way are lying through their teeth due to social desirability bias.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/16 11:14 PM
2	CMV: Female celibacy is entirely different than being a male incel, and should never be compared to male incels. Odds are the "never in a million years" reaction comes from knowing they couldn't get it even if they tried, so to save self-image they craft the narrative that the girl is "not worth it" anyways--it's much more comfortable to believe that you're not getting laid because you have standards than the truth which is you're not getting laid because you're so pathetic to women that even uglies wouldn't give you the time of day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/16 11:12 PM
3	CMV: Female celibacy is entirely different than being a male incel, and should never be compared to male incels. Mostly correct but I think there can be female "incels" in the same sense as men they just have to be REALLY unattractive somehow..... like being grossly overweight, or being truly socially/mentally dysfunctional, or etc. Regardless it's still exponentially less common than male incels and I agree it's obvious that the vast vast majority of female virgins are virgins by choice (and therefore voluntarily, not involuntarily, celibate)	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/16 11:09 PM
1	If men can more easily change SMV than women, why do RP men say women have it easier? Oh I can definitely believe that. I was more just demonstrating that men's SMV being more malleable and women being better off overall are not mutually exclusive concepts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/16 04:51 PM
7	If men can more easily change SMV than women, why do RP men say women have it easier? Women start off much higher SMV than men. Women are desired by default, and only lose this desirability via the introduction of clearly negative traits such as weight gain, increase in age, mental issues, etc. Men are not desired by default and must gain clearly positive traits in order to be desired by women, such as being exceptionally attractive, high status, rich, etc. Yet men also remain vulnerable to all the same things that can cause a woman's SMV to drop and possibly even more--for insta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/16 04:36 AM
2	Discussing SMV as I understand it. You apply it whether you want to or not. You assess the value of other people as mates based on their actions and physical characteristics, and adjust your own actions according to that judgment. No, you probably don't go around consciously assigning a number to people, but you are absolutely acting out of rational self-interest and applying your own judgment of others' value in your social interactions, including romantic ones. It's impossible to not do these things, unless I guess if you are a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/16 06:55 AM
1	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. If height was as important as you are saying it is, there is nothing that would be able to compensate for it. Yes! You're finally getting it! Progress! Compensation is effectively impossible, given that your odds of rising to celebrity status in order to overcome the handicap are effectively nil. And you do not need celebrity level social proof, but I was referencing celebrities that happen to be short that are also considered attractive to illustrate that shortness does not equal immediately be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/16 06:12 AM
1	Why is the market for straight, fat/curvy men essentially non-existent compared to the market for curvy/thick women? Why would there be a market for these types of men? Women have much higher standards for physical attraction, are very uniform in what they are attracted to compared to men, and are much less predisposed to fetishes and niche sexualities ala BBW. I would consider it more bewildering if there was a "BBM" or equivalent	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/16 05:06 AM
1	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. I would argue the short man would be the likeliest to get laid in your scenario. An autistic man would have trouble holding a conversation and would violate social norms and make the other party feel uncomfortable. Hookups weigh physical attraction heavily but not exclusively. By admitting that physical attraction outweighs other factors, you're explicitly agreeing with my assessment of how the situation would play out. The autist may not have much luck at parties, but his odds would at least be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/16 04:49 AM
1	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. I think being 5'5" is, if not quite as bad, then certainly the next worst thing to those traits, yes. Given two males, one who is tall and conventionally attractive yet autistic, and another who is socially well-adjusted but 5'5", I would absolutely not be surprised if the former has more success with women. The latter man probably scores plenty of friendzones, but the former I would expect to be the one who can actually get laid. There are women who will overlook even the worst defects of chara…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/16 03:16 AM
1	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. I would say it's a lot more likely for a 5'5 man to find mutual love than it is to win the lottery, with a lot less to lose. Wrong. I would easily argue that, between paying a few bucks for effectively no reason once a month (buying a lottery ticket) or being rejected/ghosted/etc by a woman once a month, the man in the former situation would be happier and overall better off. People get in this weird mind warp where they've been rejected a few times and think that's it. It's hopeless. It really …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/16 03:00 AM
1	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. And how do you propose an older woman just stay young/fertile? And how big a percentage would you say you rule out here? 50%? 60-70%. I think, the real issue is just that older women are invisible to you, the same way some men complain for instance short men are invisible to women. Good thing a woman has the first 40 years of her life, including all the years in which she is sexually healthy anyways, before she has to worry about this. Not quite the same situation as men who are short ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/16 12:21 AM
1	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. It's not a 100% guarantee of failure. But just because you technically could win the lottery doesn't mean you should go out and start buying tickets.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/16 12:13 AM
1	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. So can a fat man and there are more fat men (land boars?) than there are fat women – it’s just that it matter less for fat dudes, because girls are less single minded focused on looks than men are. Wrong again. Fat people in general have it harder, but fat women in fact have an easier time than fat men, who are about as well-off as short men I'd wager (the primary difference being that one is fixable and the other is not). This assumption that women aren't focused on looks is total bullsmack. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/16 12:05 AM
1	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. Oh sure. I never said how common it was, just that it completely screws over the guys that it does happen to. I'd also be willing to bet that even 1 in 200 is still a much higher rate than the incidence of things such as facial disfigurement or being wheelchair-bound.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/16 11:45 PM
3	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. Every woman I have heard speak on this subject says the same. Well I take that back I can think of one girl that was honest, but literally one, and all the rest vehemently denied that height matters. To my knowledge, none of them has ever dated a man that was their same height or shorter, with no exceptions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/16 07:54 AM
1	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. There are tons of things a short man can do which an ugly girl cannot do. Like having a good job, a career, be rich, be an interesting person, have power, etc. All things which will make you more attractive to women. Meanwhile an ugly women will always be ugly, no amount of being CEO, having money in the bank, a nice condo by the beach, having power or interests will make her attractive. You forgot the one thing that an ugly woman can do which is lose weight. For the vast majority of women wheth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/16 07:52 AM
3	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. Short men are unattractive the same way any number of other physical features make you less attractive. Premature balding, big nose, ugly facial features, malformed limbs, diabetes, below average intelligence, etc. Is there a particular reason people keep bringing up shortness as a particular unique situation? This should be quite obvious. First of all being short is much more of a dealbreaker than all of those things except maybe malformed limbs. Second of all there's nothing you can do to chan…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/16 07:45 AM
1	CMV: It's very difficult for short men to be in a mutually loving relationship where both parties love each other for themselves. Pretty much sums up the plight of height. I'm 5'4" and the only gf I've been able to get was A. 4'10" so STILL six inches shorter than me lmao and B. overweight and with significant mental issues and overall personality flaws. I don't regret dating her or anything, it was a worth while relationship even though it didn't last, but looking back were there other girls that were more attractive and with better personalities that I would have rather dated instead? Fuck yes, I was even friends with so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/16 07:38 AM
1	Is the Alt Right the Future of TRP? The alt right is to race as TRP was to gender. Both tell a similar narrative through a different lens. I wouldn't be surprised if it kind of starts to come together in a more coherent ideology that is basically directly opposed to social justice (white people are better, men are better, trans people are sick not oppressed, etc).	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 10:23 PM
1	Q4RP (as well as incels and FAs): how do you feel when women claim that they're lonely? Do you believe that they can? Oh so you're going around talking to people and sleeping with guys but you're still just so lonely because even though you're getting all this attention, it's just not the right kind of attention? Give me a fucking break. Entitled special snowflake mindset at most disgusting. Making up this wishy-washy "oh but there's no emotional connection" concept to make it seem like a woman with an actual social life somehow still has it just as bad as an incel male	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 05:33 PM
7	[Q4BP] If all genders are the same why do transexuals need to get sex-changes? That said, nobody argues that all human behaviour is derived from nurture Actually yes many SJWs believe this. It has to be true or else all the hubbub over women in STEM isn't viable. SJWs need it to be true that they're trying to re-program social values (which can be changed) to get more women in STEM as opposed to trying to re-program biology (which, for practical purposes, can't be). If biology plays even a small role then their 50-50 men-women split fantasy world isn't defensible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 06:50 AM
1	Q4RP (as well as incels and FAs): how do you feel when women claim that they're lonely? Do you believe that they can? No one said anything about specific numbers, just that there's a large and obvious advantage for women. You originally set out to deny this reality with the obviously false dichotomy that "oh women can get laid easily but they can't get any friends [yeah fucking right] so that's just as bad qq". But if you're already changing your tune now that the BS was called out, that's fine by me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 05:58 AM
2	CMV: Women calling men that they dated/slept with assholes is what created the "assholes get the girls" myth That would probably stop a lot of drama and bullshit if it could somehow actually be done.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 05:38 AM
3	CMV: Women calling men that they dated/slept with assholes is what created the "assholes get the girls" myth Sorry but no, assholes getting the girls is what created the assholes getting the girls "myth."	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 05:38 AM
2	Q4RP (as well as incels and FAs): how do you feel when women claim that they're lonely? Do you believe that they can? You stipulated the case of a woman who can get sex but not friendship. If a woman is unattractive such that she can get neither then sure that's a really unfortunate situation, no less so than males who are in that situation. But your hypothetical woman who beds guys no problem but is still "lonely?" What's short-sighted is to think that's a realistic proposition. Where are the equivalents of wizardchan, r9k, ForeverAlone, etc., for these supposedly sexed-yet-friendless-and-alone women, if this …	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 05:36 AM
4	Q4RP (as well as incels and FAs): how do you feel when women claim that they're lonely? Do you believe that they can? Bullshit. No way you can get 10 dudes to fuck you but not even 1 to talk to you. That's beyond ridiculous. You do realize that the discussion started by pointing out how many lonely guys there are out there i.e. guys who would be very happy to be able to even have a conversation with a girl where she's actually paying attention to him and treating him like a human being? Yet of course our hypothetical female just can't find any men worth talking to! Fucking entitled beyond belief	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 05:03 AM
3	Q4RP (as well as incels and FAs): how do you feel when women claim that they're lonely? Do you believe that they can? The idea that a woman can get men to have sex with her but can't get them to even talk to her is ridiculous. The former is much more intimate than the latter. There's no such thing as "can get sex but not a relationship." The only reason that would happen would be: A. The woman wants it that way (most often) or B. There is something deeply unappealing about her that drives men away, probably grating/obnoxious personality (less often as even women that are unbearable can still get FWB and boyfrie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/16 04:59 AM
5	Q4RP (as well as incels and FAs): how do you feel when women claim that they're lonely? Do you believe that they can? Sometimes, friends have benefits. Especially if you have great chemistry together. "Great chemistry" lmao. We both know what that's a euphemism for. Sure friends have benefits..... if the guy is attractive enough to fuck, hence my original point And you've really never heard of that growing into love? .....No? I'm sure it happens but I strongly believe that it's not the typical case. Every relationship I have seen including my own it was obvious almost right away that the girl was attracted to t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 09:16 PM
5	Why do women (especially feminists) demand men lower their standards but refuse to lower theirs. It's simple, if a man has a problem it's his fault and he should have done this that and the other thing, if a woman has a problem it's the fault of our cishet patriarchal society oppressing her with its toxic masculinity, there was nothing she could have done different and in fact it's the society around her which needs to change. Hence if a man can't get laid it's his fault because his standards are too high but if a woman can't get laid it's because men these days are pathetic and all the goo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 08:37 PM
3	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . If you know of a more committed approach being taken in recent history do share with us ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 08:35 PM
9	Q4RP (as well as incels and FAs): how do you feel when women claim that they're lonely? Do you believe that they can? There are women out there who will murder for a good conversation with a guy, and they're willing to forgive faults to get it. Wrong. They're willing to grant you entry to the friendzone for a good conversation. They still have no incentive to fuck you if you aren't good looking enough. Many women aren't interested in even conversation if you aren't attractive enough, especially if it's in a dating/romance frame. If you try to hang out with them one on one they will either make excuses or quickl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 08:32 PM
3	Q4RP (as well as incels and FAs): how do you feel when women claim that they're lonely? Do you believe that they can? It depends. If a woman is overweight or otherwise genuinely very unattractive then she can be incel/FA although even in these cases it is extremely rare compared to the rates for males, many fat girls can still get laid quite easily if they want to. But it is possible at least. On the other hand I have heard girls that are perfectly healthy/normal weight and attractiveness complaining about a "dry spell" because they haven't had sex in a couple of months. When I hear something like that I want t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 06:17 PM
10	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . I love that your answer to even the most extreme attempt at "fixing" the paytreearkee failing is that "the patriarchy is too ingrained" then you turn around and offer no specific solutions whatsoever when called on how you would actually go about changing anything. This is quote-worthy on the feminist mindset. We have to fight the patriarchy but every time we lose it's because the patriarchy is too strong (not because we're wrong).	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 05:55 PM
8	On gender roles being entirely due to socialization . . . So basically the patriarchy is invincible? If even this community that specifically dedicated its existence to reversing gender roles couldn't shake off the chains of internalized misogyny, why even try? You're the most defeatist feminist I've ever seen ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 05:39 PM
8	Why do women initiate most divorces? Booze and sluts. Middle class folk can fall prey to alcoholism the same as anyone, and these days there is huge opioid abuse even among white suburban etc. communities. "Middle class" people are probably less likely to get hooked on say meth or crack but that doesn't mean they don't have their own addiction issues	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 04:52 PM
1	Q4RP: If you say you aren't a feminist what exactly do you mean? That's true that you should treat them the same. However what feminists do is go and see something like physics being majority male and assume it's all due to culturally ingrained sexism, not simply due to more males preferring to major in physics at the individual level. That's the problem with the current feminist narrative about "gender roles" and such.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 04:46 PM
1	Discussion: Feminism vs. PUA I don't really buy the "it's just activists no one else cares" line. If no one else cared we would barely even be aware the activists exist, for instance with PETA everyone sort of knows they're out there somewhere but you more or less never see them in your facebook feed or on the news. But last year BLM and other social justice related topics were fucking everywhere, you'd have to be living under a rock to not know about the Mizzou protests. Maybe before the age of social media it was just act…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 06:09 AM
1	[Discussion] Feminists, how come gender is cultural and obesity isnt? No u. I'm sure it's some pseudo-scientific bullshit, that's not the point. The original point was made that no one actually thinks obesity is genetic. I made the point that fat acceptance exists ergo there are clearly people who think obesity is primarily genetic. When the predictable "omg just because they are fat acceptance doesn't mean they think that!!!1!1" (yeah fucking right) responses came I provided evidence that they do in fact believe this. That's the point; what they believe, not whet…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 01:57 AM
1	[Discussion] Feminists, how come gender is cultural and obesity isnt? Okay, so they have a genetic predisposition to be incapable of cutting their calorie consumption, I guess? Lmao gimme a break. We can argue the "why" all day but that's irrelevant to the "what" which is the belief that an individual's weight is beyond his/her control. There's no meaningful difference between "it's because genetics" and "it's because dieting is too hard mmkay"--the end conclusion is that "most people cannot lose weight" and are therefore exempt from the consequences of being over…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/16 01:50 AM
3	[Discussion] Feminists, how come gender is cultural and obesity isnt? Less concerned with making a direct connection to feminism and more with showing you peeps that yes this is what the fat acceptance movement actually believes. I'm not even trying to argue that it's bad or wrong, which is a question of values, just that this is what they believe and say, which is a question of facts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 11:46 PM
2	[Discussion] Feminists, how come gender is cultural and obesity isnt? Let's look at what was actually said, not at your attempt to put words into the mouth of the NAAFA: Scientific studies show that the majority of people cannot achieve long-term sustainable weight loss. Now let's try dictionary.com's definitions for "can": can: to be able to; have the ability, power, or skill to By saying "cannot," the literal meaning is that the majority of people do not have the ability to. The meaning is very clear; people's weight is out of their control, as they do not have …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 11:42 PM
2	[Discussion] Feminists, how come gender is cultural and obesity isnt? Oh I'm happy to let you believe there is no overlap if you'll agree with me that the fat acceptance movement largely believes people's weight is not something they can change ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 08:15 PM
2	[Discussion] Feminists, how come gender is cultural and obesity isnt? No one said anything about equal treatment or whatever. We're talking about whether or not obesity is under the control of the individual. "Most people cannot lose weight" and "A person's weight is something they have control over"--these are mutually exclusive statements. Each directly contradicts the other. This is what the fat acceptance movement clearly believes as it is directly stated on their advocacy website. It's not difficult to understand.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 08:14 PM
1	RIP Prince: How the World Lost One of its Greatest Alphas in Music Yea 5'2" babyface gets laid for days I'm sure ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 06:12 PM
3	[Discussion] Feminists, how come gender is cultural and obesity isnt? It's not particularly hard to see why fat acceptance requires obesity to be primarily genetic in order to be viable. If it's something that's under the control of the individual there is no reason to be accepting of it. http://www.naafaonline.com/dev2/education/faq.html From this FAQ: "Scientific studies show that the majority of people cannot achieve long-term sustainable weight loss. Under no circumstance is discrimination based on size or weight of one's body ever acceptable." I guess they do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 06:08 PM
2	RIP Prince: How the World Lost One of its Greatest Alphas in Music Being a music superstar = automatic alpha. That is so much status/social proof that the rest doesn't matter. This should be obvious	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 05:54 PM
1	RIP Prince: How the World Lost One of its Greatest Alphas in Music lmao no you don't. Don't lie/exaggerate	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 05:54 PM
1	Would you join a group which promotes your personal interests? Assuming it gets results? Definitely. It's abundantly clear that many groups in society think this is okay	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 05:52 PM
8	[Discussion] Feminists, how come gender is cultural and obesity isnt? Fat acceptance movement exists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 05:50 PM
4	Does the average male in modern western society get laid? Twice a week? Hell no. Over half the population is single these days	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 06:14 AM
2	Q4Men: Have you ever felt the need to exaggerate your N-count or sexual experience? If so, why did you feel this way? Never have done this although if I were a virgin I probably would lie about it because that's a dating death sentence if people find out. But luckily I'm not so I can be honest	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 03:58 AM
1	CMV: TRP hates "Safe Spaces" but is in itself a safe space. Safe spaces are only problematic when you start imposing them on others so that you never have to leave yours, as opposed to recognizing that it is a place that you can retreat to but must then eventually venture out from. SJWs do the former while wanting to deny TRP, MRA, etc., to even have the latter. TRP meanwhile advocates that you be very careful about even talking about any of the ideas offline much less try and impose them on anyone else through shaming tactics and the like.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 03:56 AM
2	Q4RP: If you say you aren't a feminist what exactly do you mean? What they mean is that there are no differences in neurochemistry between male and female which is obvious bollocks--males are naturally more aggressive and part of it is directly due to higher testosterone levels aka biology, for instance. However, these people need it to be true that there are no (meaningful) biological differences in order to support the narrative that gender roles can simply be molded and reshaped like putty if everyone just became feminists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/16 03:47 AM
1	Q4RP Men: Do women sleeping with other women matter to you in an n-count? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/strictly-casual/201409/are-bisexuals-really-less-monogamous-everyone-else Go on. Click the link. Educate yourself. Going to respond with any evidence to support your own assumptions, Mr. Burden of Proof? No? Didn't think so ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/16 05:56 PM
1	Q4RP Men: Do women sleeping with other women matter to you in an n-count? I'm guessing you're not very familiar with this whole concept we have called data.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/16 05:43 PM
1	Q4RP Men: Do women sleeping with other women matter to you in an n-count? General trends, outliers, etc., yawn. Yes there is the occasional exception to the rule, a girl that is bi that you actually could marry and settle down with. Doesn't change that it's very naive/ignorant to start dating a bisexual girl and expect that that will be the outcome. The overwhelming trend is towards promiscuity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/16 05:01 PM
1	Q4RP Men: Do women sleeping with other women matter to you in an n-count? As others have already mentioned it's a huge slut tell.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/16 04:50 PM
2	Is it possible for a physically attractive girl to be unattractive to most guys? Is it possible for her to struggle with relationships and friendships if she's pretty? Can a cute girl be low value? If so, how? Possible but only by choice. If a girl is cute and wants to socialize there are guys that will put up with her, full stop. Believe there are ALWAYS guys desperate enough if she is hot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/16 06:10 AM
1	CMV: "Unicorns" (sort of) exist, but acting like TRP will not get you one, or You attract what you are. A unicorn is NOT a girl who'll cook/clean for you and gives you blowjobs on demand while you play video games all day. Maybe a girl like that exists somewhere, but I think we can all reasonable assume that almost no girl is like that. Seems a bit of a strawman. You yourself said we can all reasonably agree that doesn't exist. It probably exists if you are fabulously wealthy or like beyond 10/10 super chad such as Ryan Gosling, Frank Sinatra, etc. But that would be about it. A unicorn is also NOT…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/16 03:12 AM
1	CMV: "Unicorns" (sort of) exist, but acting like TRP will not get you one, or You attract what you are. This assumes that other people are going to somehow read your thoughts and detect your beliefs about the world, then react accordingly such as by purposely avoiding you if they find your beliefs discordant. In reality this can only happen if you actually go around broadcasting to your friends that you believe "unicorns don't exist" which practically nobody does or would do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/16 01:56 AM
0	CMV: "Unicorns" (sort of) exist, but acting like TRP will not get you one, or You attract what you are. You mean people find unicorns easier if they lower their standards for who counts as a unicorn? Wow! More news at 5	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/16 01:02 AM
1	Q4RP Men: Do women sleeping with other women matter to you in an n-count? Oh you have it completely wrong. Any sexual activity with another woman virtually guarantees that the girl is not LTR material	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/16 09:15 PM
6	(Discussion) How prevalent do you think it is for instagram models to sleep with rich men for cash as shown on blogs like tagthesponsor? I would hazard to guess that it's way more prominent than most people would ever guess, since for obvious reasons, these women will probably go to any lengths to keep that shit on the DL.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/16 09:13 PM
1	Where does "lesbian and bisexual women are more slutty" come from? It is probably due to them actually being more slutty, if I had to guess. Where else does a stereotype come from? Not surprising as hetero women are constantly on guard against "creeper" or "stalker" type men, scared that if they are alone with a guy they will be raped, etc. Non-hetero women have hookup options that don't carry such scary connotations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/16 09:10 PM
1	Is self-improvement for the purpose of improving dating and sexual life only applicable for men? Is the phrase "lower your standards" only applicable to men? Gendered double standards that are ingrained in our social consciences, plain and simple. It's been a thing since forever that women are able to get away with more shit than men with less punishment, held less accountable for their actions, generally considered to have less agency, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/16 09:08 PM
10	Q4RP: If you say you aren't a feminist what exactly do you mean? They still believe gender is a purely social construct though, that women's lack of attainment in STEM fields is purely due to external sexism and misogyny, men's rights is a joke, etc. They might be smart enough to know that making a raging idiot out of yourself on tumblr is counter-productive but they believe basically all of the same things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/16 09:05 PM
2	Q4RP: If you say you aren't a feminist what exactly do you mean? Feminism is a concept that explicitly promotes the interest of the female over the male. It's right there in the word itself which is formed out of "feminine." That is what I am against no matter what shape it takes. If you want to say you are in favor "equality" then call yourself something that actually denotes that such as "gender equality advocate," "equal rights advocate," "humanist," whatever. Saying you are a feminist that advocates for equality between the sexes is an inherent contradict…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/16 09:00 PM
1	CMV: Men have more power in the SMP than feminists. All men have more power than feminists because dedicated feminists are a tiny subset of all women. A more accurate comparison would be feminists vs PUA/MRA/TRP and I think we all know which of those has more influence -__- Also your point that feminists are not very successful in actually convincing women that it's okay to be fat and hairy is true. However, just because they are not succeeding doesn't mean it isn't fair to be concerned that they are trying. If even a small increase in unattracti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/16 04:25 AM
-1	All Pills: What is your guilty superficial "nope" trait? For vast majority of women it's height. Most who say otherwise are lying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/16 03:14 AM
5	Cutting contact with friends/buddies who fall in love with you. Good or bad? But if you don't want to be friends with them anymore, continuing to do so would be denying your right to choose.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/16 06:56 PM
3	How much does height actually matter to women? Not much of a debate. Height obviously matters a lot. The only counter arguments you'll see are "but i'm a woman and i don't care about height!" Exceptions, general trends, etc. Yawn. Plenty of women literally will not date a guy that is their same height or shorter, as in it's a complete deal-breaker no matter what he is like in other respects. The only way to compensate would probably be if he was extremely successful professionally and financially.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/16 06:48 PM
2	Is it manipulative or selfish to ask for a platonic, male cuddle buddy? Yep. And like I said they probably wouldn't even get that far, the girl's creeper alarm would go off before any cuddling could happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/16 05:55 AM
2	PSA: Definition of "Alpha" and "Beta" since no one (including the RPers) seem to be able to specify what it is Nah. I've seen plenty of terps talk about "alpha bucks" basically a high status male that is also willing to marry, settle down and provide. They just don't talk about it at any length because they think those guys are effectively out of the SMP very quickly because they are both high value and looking for marriage, meaning they get into LTR-marriage fast and stay there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/16 04:31 AM
2	Is it manipulative or selfish to ask for a platonic, male cuddle buddy? No, guy knows what he's getting, and a lot of guys would probably jump at the chance to have even that much female contact tbh (although no doubt those same guys would be rejected if they actually applied for the position). BUT the girl shouldn't be surprised if some shit happens either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/16 04:27 AM
2	CMV: Egalitarianism is better than either feminism or the manosphere now Oh I agree many MRAs are quite reasonable. They would fall in my latter category not the former since they are just reacting negatively to bullshit as opposed to pushing an ideological agenda.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/16 02:28 AM
1	CMV: The best definition of Alpha comes from Ayn Rand: "I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." Sounds like a MGTOW more than any kind of alfalfa.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/16 01:26 AM
2	Question for feminists regarding custody after a divorce It's pretty easy actually feminism is not an equality movement. /topic	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/16 01:03 AM
5	CMV: Egalitarianism is better than either feminism or the manosphere now Nothing. Extreme ideologues aren't influential in the grand scheme of things. Most people are capable of realizing there's more nuance than that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/16 09:32 PM
5	CMV: Egalitarianism is better than either feminism or the manosphere now Not true. Terps may imply or outright state that the world would be better for men if those things were implemented, but they rarely advocate that they actually should be. The attitude is more of "yes this sucks for men, but this is the way it is, now here is how to still get laid in spite of it"	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/16 09:30 PM
3	CMV: Egalitarianism is better than either feminism or the manosphere now What? Why did the couple get married to start with if the marriage is "loveless?"	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/16 09:28 PM
3	CMV: Egalitarianism is better than either feminism or the manosphere now Whether or not alimony and the like are justified at all is still a different question from whether or not they are being applied fairly across genders. Personally I care less about whether it exists and more about whether each person is treated equally by it regardless of their sex (which right now they obviously aren't).	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/16 09:23 PM
5	CMV: Egalitarianism is better than either feminism or the manosphere now All of these are things that the manosphere advocates for and feminism doesn't. What makes the manosphere different from what you're describing?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/16 09:21 PM
2	CMV: Not all non Redpill ideologies are from not knowing reality .....WGTOW?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/16 07:05 PM
2	CMV: Not all non Redpill ideologies are from not knowing reality Gee I dunno, you sound awfully red pill to me. Maybe you're saying you're MGTOW instead?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/16 05:43 AM
7	Is Capitalism to Blame for the Agony of Hookup Culture? The irony is that communism applied to the SMP would mostly result in women being forced to sleep with men who they aren't attracted to. It's hilarious how the author really and truly seems to forget that unattractive men even exist. I don't totally buy TRP but damn if that isn't a red pill idea in action.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/16 03:25 AM
10	Is Capitalism to Blame for the Agony of Hookup Culture? Women who have sex with men exist in a sexual climate that continues to be characterized by male aggression and dominance, even in the bedrooms of the most leftist-minded, Bernie-loving male “progressives.” Bollocks. To illustrate: We seem to generally accept that it’s disrespectful to blow off your friends or ignore their text messages. A friend could confidently call you out for only ever asking them to hang out at 2 a.m., failing to acknowledge them in public, abruptly ceasing to speak to the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/16 03:22 AM
1	The Guardian does a whole article on TRP calling it "the heart of modern misogyny." Thoughts? No-one should be forced into the army I don't see feminists trying to get the draft abolished either, though I'm sure they'd snap to it if it were ever changed to include women. and it's pretty unlikely to happen to men. When MRA's bring that up, they're really scraping the barrel for reasons to feel aggrieved. Let's say there's a lottery held where the holders of the winning tickets are executed. It's extremely unlikely that your ticket will ever come up, but the government forces you to buy in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/16 11:32 PM
2	Thought experiment: What amount of harm is acceptable? It depends are they a man or a woman? If it's a man any amount is acceptable and you take the biggest payout, and vice versa.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/16 12:17 AM
4	Why is there a Purple Pill Subreddit? No the red pill/manosphere vs blue pill/feminist debates, about which one more accurately represents reality. If you start arguing against the prevailing side if either of the actual blue/red pill subs you will just get dogpiled and probably banned for wrongthink. Hence a separate sub where debate can be had	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/16 12:06 AM
1	That good old case of female sexual power paradox Yes? In a very conservative area of the country too. I've never heard of anyone being fired because they didn't look sexy enough when they showed up to work lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/16 12:04 AM
11	Why is there a Purple Pill Subreddit? lol okay well this seems a bit biased Anyways, it mainly exists because you can't debate any of these ideas on the actual blue or red pill subs, you will just get b7	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 07:26 PM
1	The Guardian does a whole article on TRP calling it "the heart of modern misogyny." Thoughts? I think you would struggle to find a movement which actually wanted men to have fewer rights than women and belittled them, saying they are all the same etc. Is this a joke? There is a huge movement that does these things it's called feminism. Feminists speak out in opposition when people try to get alimony laws reformed or include women in the draft, in the meantime they advocate for women to have special legal privileges such as the ability to be automatically believed when making sexual assau…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 06:05 PM
1	That good old case of female sexual power paradox You really think women get fired if they don't wear enough makeup? -__-	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 06:01 PM
1	That good old case of female sexual power paradox That didn't answer either one of my questions. Who is "enforcing" the fact that women benefit from being more attractive and how are they doing it? Let's add another one if you can answer those first two: Why is it immoral?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 06:00 PM
1	Female friendship is worthless unless you're Chad. Oh if it's the reverse then sure the woman is at fault there and also needs to get the fuck over it. But I think we both know what direction these interactions usually run in ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 06:04 AM
1	That good old case of female sexual power paradox lol. Women are the gender with more power to punch above their weight. The fact that they have the option to cash in their looks for money and status at all is evidence of this. Would those attractive women date unattractive rich dudes if they thought it wasn't in their best interest? They're attractive women, so let's not pretend they don't have other options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 06:02 AM
1	Here's a training video for, "pushing past LMR (last-minute resistance)" There is a much greater degree of self-image tied up in decisions about having sex than just buying some random shit. A girl deciding whether or not to fuck a guy on the first date is going to be thinking about what kind of person that makes her (many times at least, I'm sure there are the rare few people who literally don't care). Many times the question of how that decision to have sex will affect their relationship with the guy is in the air. You only make one transaction with the salesperson…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 05:57 AM
5	That good old case of female sexual power paradox Enforced by who? The paytreearkee? What about how this is "enforced?" By men choosing to mate with the more attractive woman? Oh how dare they exercise agency! Clearly they need to get in line with the imperatives of feminists who are totally just pushing for "equality" and the betterment of society!	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 05:53 AM
1	There's really no way to approach women without it being creepy. Yea cold approaching in public is definitely obsolete and I'm not sure it ever was really that common although before feminism really took off it probably would have worked alot better without instantly hitting a girl's creeper alarm. Anyways I don't think TRP is based around cold approaches in public places. I think that is more along the lines of PUA. These days you can replace that kind of "game" with Tinder, OKCupid, whatever other online dating crap. Low success rate, low quality women, but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 12:28 AM
5	That good old case of female sexual power paradox So basically the paytreearkee did it as per usual. lol. No one is making women pretty themselves up. They wouldn't do it if they didn't perceive that there were concrete benefits to doing so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 12:12 AM
2	That good old case of female sexual power paradox Women's appearance can gain them access to resources and status via relationships much more so than men's can. This is one incentive for them to invest so much in it. Plenty of women increase in status and wealth by marrying up, for men this rarely happens. It's not a self-image thing or whatever bull shit BPers would have you believe, a woman's looks are an economic resource for her. Women may rule the dating market in the sense that they can easily get dates and sex with someone, but not neces…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/16 12:04 AM
1	Here's a training video for, "pushing past LMR (last-minute resistance)" Damn dude here you had me all excited to see some RP pussy slaying in action. Sorry but there are obvious and fundamental differences between a salesman trying to get you to buy a physical object and a dude trying to get a girl to drop her pants. And I'm not even a blooper who would deny that LMR exists or even that it's widespread, I totally think it happens. I just don't think this analogy holds very well. There are all kind of emotional implications tied up in having sex with someone that obv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/16 11:48 PM
10	The Guardian does a whole article on TRP calling it "the heart of modern misogyny." Thoughts? Well, it didn't just paint TRP as a vile hateful cesspit full of subhuman misogynists beyond all hope, so it's a lot more balanced than I expected. With that said, it still pushes the predictable mainstream narrative about how "pathetic" men are, so, yawn. Imagine if someone wrote a piece like this about Jezebel or tried to portray some kind of female-centric space as "pathetic?" God himself wouldn't be able to save them from the raving hordes the SJWs would bring to bear	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/16 11:28 PM
0	Female friendship is worthless unless you're Chad. Entirely the male's fault and entirely solve-able by not being a beta cuck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/16 05:47 AM
2	Female friendship is worthless unless you're Chad. You're more likely to potentially fall in love with an attractive friend. This is your own fault and no one else's. Don't be naive. Don't start getting your hopes up if she's out of your league. You can get the same thing from a man. Disagree. I can honestly say that I prefer talking to women over men all else being equal--including sexual dynamics, so even if there's no possibility of romance/sex on the table whatsoever. Most women will at least hold a conversation and be somewhat interested in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/16 05:45 AM
4	The antithesis of the modern sexual marketplace and previous implementations in regards to genetic fitness. Negative class movement is happening exactly because marriage and monogamy are crumbling..... the numbers on single moms and their offspring are pretty clear.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/16 04:19 AM
5	Q4Women: Have you ever consciously used IOIs? lol trp wouldn't exist if most women were like you	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/16 11:00 PM
1	CMV: Wife goggles are inconsistent with red pill theory. By the time a woman completely loses fertility the male won't exactly be a spring chicken himself. Sticking around is going to look like the best option to a guy in his mid 50's or some such, especially assuming they were happily married for literally decades beforehand. Leaving a successful marriage for the (not very likely) chance to score some younger tail is not going to be an appealing option to most people. Your premise seems to be that only physical attraction matters in determining wheth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/16 02:27 AM
2	CMV: Wife goggles are inconsistent with red pill theory. I don't find it at all unreasonable to have a strong attachment to a woman who was good to you when she was young and at her most attractive. Unless she completely lets herself go and turns into a cow or something, I would say it's normal for the man to have a lasting connection in that situation. Of course these days very few women are willing to commit in their early 20's when they are most attractive so that connection never forms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/16 02:10 AM
2	Online Dating and the Death of the 'Mixed-Attractiveness' Couple Those numbers just confirm TRP in that most women consider most men unattractive lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/16 01:49 AM
1	Why we need to take women's cries for help seriously So you have one single instance in which the authorities immediately acknowledged that the system failed and they are already trying to find ways to prevent it from happening again. You have an anecdote, and one in which you can't even establish any causality; you have no idea if the killer was believed because he was male or because of other factors, you're just assuming it's the former, you have no idea if this is an ingrained society-wide bias or if just the individual 000 operator who took t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 05:18 PM
2	Why we need to take men's cries for help seriously Men's cries for help are nothing more than the squealing of misogynist pigs finally getting the comeuppance they deserve for millenia of enslavement and exploitation of women. Let them suffer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 05:08 PM
1	Pretty much all seduction / dating / 'manosphere' advice that I've seen is completely useless for introverts I mean, what is the better advice though? Like what would you tell introverts if all of the things you named are off the table? "Too bad, you're screwed?" I'm with you on the small talk point though, I can't stand saying mindless shit like "hey" "hey" "how are you" "good u" "i'm good" etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 05:00 PM
2	Florida's proposed alimony and child support laws, and why feminists oppose it Fair enough, if you're living there you're fucked.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 12:27 PM
2	CMV: women give horrible dating and relationship advice to men. Specifically on how to get laid. Yea I dunno, I've heard some of the "harsh truths" from women, and I've heard lots of men who either give BP platitudes or literally have no input to offer at all. I think it depends on establishing a friendship with the person where they feel like they can be honest. If someone doesn't feel like they know you well enough to share their real opinions with you they will just give you the "safe" bullshit answers, and honestly I can't blame them for that. You don't want to say controversial stuff i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 03:53 AM
2	CMV: Men are just tools. Not sure if troll or serious. You just sound like an SJW in reverse. Neither "side" or "pill" just totally rules the world and pulls every string the way ideologues would like to say they do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 03:44 AM
1	If you're a 5'8" autistic guy, pursuing women in the traditional PUA/TRP sense is a statistically useless venture. Good for you. Not everyone has a landwhale fetish.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 02:04 AM
3	A prominent TRPer just called most redpillers here "autistic spergs". Your thoughts? Don't see why anyone should care what this person thinks of them, TRP or otherwise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 02:03 AM
2	Women are unable to take socially awkward men's problems seriously I disagree. Women won't sleep with you or date you as a socially awkward man but that doesn't mean they won't recognize your problems or sympathize with you. I've had many different female friends offer sympathy or advice related to my social anxiety and dating issues. Now they didn't respond by becoming my girlfriend but I don't think that means they didn't care. I wasn't friends with them based on any expectation of a romantic relationship (I think it's pretty dumb for men to have any such exp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 01:56 AM
1	Cannabis effect and RP Equality doesn't mean everyone is treated equal in all regards. Well it isn't equality then is it? Seriously, what's your point? Quit playing semantics and just accept that the SMP is not an egalitarian environment nor will it ever even remotely be. That's a BP fantasy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 01:53 AM
1	Florida's proposed alimony and child support laws, and why feminists oppose it lol 20% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_unemployment_rate Nice try again. Are you in Spain or something?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/16 01:46 AM
1	Cannabis effect and RP The point is that it is equal as it can be without forcing people in to unwanted relationships. Beautiful people are obviously going to be more attractive on first look but people that aren't can usually manage fine with personality. Most people aren't models obviously so it balances out. Sure there are outliers in both sexes that have it harder due to deformity or a shitty attitude. See this is where you're wrong. You think that everyone has some meaningful degree of opportunity even if some ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 06:16 PM
2	Florida's proposed alimony and child support laws, and why feminists oppose it Lol. You think I'm just speculating? I worked a data entry job for a temp agency in one of the poorest/highest unemployment regions in the nation for 8 months. The work sucked and it only paid a little over minimum wage but I got that job less than a week after applying with the agency and it kept me active and doing something while I applied to grad schools. Nice try though lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 06:12 PM
2	Men's Problems will Never be Taken Seriously Feminism has had huge amounts of infighting. It doesn't really matter as the media doesn't report on infighting between the activists who all have the same label, it just talks about said label in whatever the most profitable narrative happens to be at the time. Same with MRA, they're not getting smeared for squabbling with each other, they're getting smeared for committing social wrongthink	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 06:52 AM
2	Men's Problems will Never be Taken Seriously I dunno, never underestimate what it is possible for society to evolve into. If you told guys in 1916 that in a hundred years most men wouldn't get married until they're 30 they might have been incredulous of that idea as well. I agree it certainly won't change overnight, possibly not even within our lifetimes, but I wouldn't say it will never change. Remember it took a century for feminism to build up into the beast it is today.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 06:50 AM
3	Discussion: when discussing TRP and the 'Anger Phase', BPers will tell RPers things like "Everyone was lied to" "Most people don't become whiney over it" "Get over it all ready", etc. Are those valid things to say or does it nonchalantly dismiss the emotions and grievances of RPers? Oh dude what rock have you been living under? Of course men's concerns are dismissed. Everyone knows that men's problems are their own fault, and that women's problems are men's fault too!	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 06:42 AM
2	Question for men: What makes a man become a feminist to you? Well to be fair the media is completely the bitch of feminists and other SJW activists so there is a lot of propaganda out there about how it's "sexy to respect women" and such without any kind of counter balance or opposing viewpoint presented. I can understand people making decisions against their own self-interest when they are thoroughly deceived about the choices.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 06:37 AM
2	Question for men: What makes a man become a feminist to you? What makes a man become a feminist? In terms of when do I consider a man a feminist, probably when he goes out of his way to mention it or talk about it without being asked. You can pull the whole trick where you ask someone if they favor equality then tell them "oh you're a feminist!" when they inevitably say yes, but I really don't count that because who are we kidding, feminism is not about equality. Why are there so many feminist men nowadays? Herd mentality mostly. Being a feminist is the m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 06:34 AM
4	Cannabis effect and RP I'm glad we agree that the idea of equality in the dating market is a farce, then.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 06:22 AM
1	Cannabis effect and RP I don't see where the discussion is about anyone's "strategy" being "better" or "worse"	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 05:22 AM
2	Cannabis effect and RP Except that not everyone has a chance to succeed, many people have near-zero possibility to succeed as no woman would even give them the time of day much less a real chance on a date. You want to have your cake and eat it to but the world doesn't work that way. There is no equality of opportunity when it comes to dating. Men with undesirable traits (short, bad facial structure, autism, w/e) are enormously discriminated against and vice versa. This wouldn't be considered even remotely acceptable …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 04:03 AM
1	[CMV] Most people already know their status in society, and self-help material written is pointless. Somewhat true but you apply this theory much too broadly. In terms of life in general I think you are dead wrong. First of all intellect is not entirely by genetics, most people if they apply themselves constantly to intellectual pursuits, will develop a stronger intellect as a result. It's far from pre-determined. Second, more generally, by and large I think that effort and work are noticed and rewarded. As another poster said you probably won't ever be a celebrity no matter how hard you try be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 03:58 AM
1	CMV: TBP uses minority and outlier people to represent the majority. Mentioning outliers is important because it's a possibility. If you think that people who defy RP conceptions of the SMP aren't outliers and that RP is just plain wrong, then why even use the word "outliers?" By using that term you're implicitly assuming that the vast majority of the population conforms to the RP principles. Otherwise, those that don't, wouldn't be outliers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 03:49 AM
5	Cannabis effect and RP lol you got the point completely backwards. If you allow women their own preferences then men will never be treated equally. I never said that I think women's behavior should change and I even explicitly said that I think such efforts would be futile--I'm just pointing out the inherent contradictions in the BP narrative here. You want women to be free to choose and men to be equal and have equal chances to succeed. Those two things are mutually exclusive	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 03:43 AM
3	Cannabis effect and RP That's my point. Women don't treat men equally when selecting their mates. Therefore, men are not equal--they do not have equal life prospects. And you would have to do exactly the things you named in order to make them actually truly equal. Hence, the original point: People are not equal nor should we expect that they will be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 03:35 AM
1	Cannabis effect and RP An instance of what I'm talking about would be someone like Chloe Sagal who was literally trying to scam sympathetic SJWs out of money for her gender reassignment surgery, then just cried "harassment! misogyny! oppression!" when she was called on her bullshit. If someone has an instance where they actually were treated unfairly due to being trans I don't think anyone has a problem with them airing that grievance. The problem is when the victimhood narrative is used as a shield to avoid consequen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 03:31 AM
2	CMV: TBP uses minority and outlier people to represent the majority. Lol I don't think RPers are dumb enough to believe they are the majority. They generally advise you not to talk about TRP IRL or identify your real life persona with the sub, not really the behavior of a group which believes itself to be the majority If you really think that outliers and minorities are the only exceptions to TRP principles then that just means you admit that their philosophy is essentially correct lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 03:26 AM
2	Cannabis effect and RP You can't change women's behavior with regards to mate selection though. God help you if you actually try. But I'm guessing you don't even believe that women's behavior needs to be changed, which in turn proves the point that people aren't equal and it's pointless to expect them to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 02:43 AM
1	Cannabis effect and RP "Special snowflake" makes me think of people who identify as gender fluid other kin and shit like that. Sorry but I think it's a pretty apt pejorative to use in those instances..... I mean if you seriously want to identify as that shit it's fine, but when you start using it as leverage to justify grievances ("I'm being oppressed because I'm trans!"), then I think you earned the "special snowflake" label.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 02:42 AM
2	Cannabis effect and RP I think to some degree, yes. This is a tendency that basically always happens when societal norms are overturned, it's just part of human nature that some people will skew to extremes. Look at SJWs, they backlash so hard against white males dominating society that they discriminate against white males in turn, turning the whole situation completely on its head.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 02:39 AM
2	Red Pill and Fascism Moving on: Nationalist authoritarian goals seeking to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture. Again, yes. Red Pill is decidedly Libertarian in its outlook, transformative in its goals and very socially minded. Wtf? You literally stated that fascism is authoritarian then immediately described RP as libertarian. Those are two things very much opposed to each other. And no RP is not "transformative" in the sense of trying to transform society. They don't have societal-l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 01:31 AM
6	If these women are so proud to show their nipples, why aren't they proud to show their faces? Yeah, a double standard within feminism, wow! More news at 6! No but seriously..... this is just one of many instances where the every-expanding umbrella of "feminism" leads to problems as various factions within the "movement" inevitably contradict each other. Some feminists are "sex positive" while others are "sex negative"..... I may agree or disagree with those positions but I at least appreciate people who identify which one they are and apply the principle consistently. Then there are the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/16 12:17 AM
1	Judiciary Promoting MGTOW Yea some women sign them but we don't know how many/in what proportions. My guess would be that it's a tiny minority of marriages where a pre nup agreement is signed. To be fair, I could be completely wrong on this. I just can't imagine most women reacting with anything other than horror and revulsion if they got engaged and the next question from their fiancee was about a pre nup, given that literally everyone I've ever talked to IRL likes to push the "true love happily ever after" mainstream s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 08:04 PM
3	CMV: Natural alphas do not treat women the way TRP proclaims alphas should treat women That much status yes. That is off the charts levels of social proof. I definitely don't buy the idea that you have to be a stereotypical "asshole" to be attractive to women. That is one component but it's more complex than that. If you have a very bland and unassuming personality, but you're 6'4" and stunning handsome, or in this case you ride around in freaking 90M$ yachts and private jets, then women will still get wet for you no problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 08:00 PM
1	If you're a 5'8" autistic guy, pursuing women in the traditional PUA/TRP sense is a statistically useless venture. No they aren't, unless by "less desired" you mean "fat." Otherwise "short" and "eccentric" women still get plenty of attention from men. Maybe they don't pull Chad but they easily can do better than someone with autism lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 06:23 AM
1	If you're a 5'8" autistic guy, pursuing women in the traditional PUA/TRP sense is a statistically useless venture. "Social skills" mean jack. There is no such thing as "naturally, effortlessly" cool--that is imparted by status, which is completely separate from being able to hold a conversation. All you'll get with all your "social skills" is a one-way ticket to the friendzone. Better than being totally alone and having no friends, but worthless in a dating context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 06:19 AM
1	If you're a 5'8" autistic guy, pursuing women in the traditional PUA/TRP sense is a statistically useless venture. That's now how height and dating work lol. At 5'8" you are taller than most women by some amount, but you are less than six inches taller than many of them. A guy that is 6'0" is more than six inches taller than a vast majority of women. There is a huge difference between those two guys, and almost an equally big difference between 5'8" and 5'4" I would argue (with 5'4" being the official cutoff at which you might as well just kys or something)	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 06:18 AM
2	Florida's proposed alimony and child support laws, and why feminists oppose it Honestly even a year to find a job is pretty absurd. I would say 6 months tops..... most people can get a job inside of a month if they really want to, it'll just be something shitty/low-skill/part-time/etc. But people can and should work something like that while they search for a "real" job, not sit on their butts collecting government mandated checks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 06:15 AM
14	CMV: Natural alphas do not treat women the way TRP proclaims alphas should treat women Men with that much status don't have to do anything personality wise to be attractive. 90M$ yachts? They can act beta as all fuck and women would still be all over them. Plus, there's a difference between "alpha" and "abusive." Not putting women on a pedestal doesn't mean treating them like garbage either--that's a black-or-white fallacy. I've never seen TRP advocate "negging" and last I checked even PUA types don't use that anymore lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 06:09 AM
1	How many disorders do you have? Everyone has a "disorder" now lol. Once you expand the definitions, make them broad enough and vague enough, every human has a "disorder" just by virtue of not feeling completely fucking fine 100% of the time. I blame grievance culture that rewards people for being disabled--"oh he has autism, you can't say that, she has BPD, how dare you!", etc. Saw it with my own SO who would blame all her problems on "her depression" and such. Me, a doctor told me I probably have GAD (Generalized Anxiety Diso…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 06:02 AM
1	What percent of men would have to die for men and women to have equal value in the SMP? I agree, that's why I think only a 30/70 ratio (slightly more than 2 women per man) would "fix" the SMP and not something absurd like 1 to 50.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 05:58 AM
2	Question for Bluepills, Purplepills, and the RedpillWomen: How can we escape a conflict oriented mindset? Not sure what the topic is about. If you have an SO quit wasting time on reddit and spend time with them. Be grateful while you have something to be grateful about. If you don't trust me you'll be kicking yourself down the road.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 05:57 AM
1	If you're a 5'8" autistic guy, pursuing women in the traditional PUA/TRP sense is a statistically useless venture. What I think is that who gets sex isn't distributed on a bell curve like height is. Why would you think that it's normally distributed lol. Women who are at their peak attractiveness, early to mid 20's, have no reason to settle for a guy that is only average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 05:48 AM
1	If you're a 5'8" autistic guy, pursuing women in the traditional PUA/TRP sense is a statistically useless venture. Statistically average means nothing in terms of your dating prospects. Women don't get on to wikipedia and search height distributions for their country when choosing mates. If 50% of males are taller than you, women in their 20's will just hold out for someone in that 50% and ignore you. That is more than enough for them to sense that they have better options. Possible exception for fatties, I guess.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 04:13 AM
2	What percent of men would have to die for men and women to have equal value in the SMP? 10% probably for the SMP to not be heavily skewed in favor of women. Another 10 for women to actually start approaching sometimes--so 30/70 male/female, perhaps. I think it has to skew pretty heavily to matter since people don't pair off one for one anymore, one guy can keep multiple women busy through soft harems and such. So it would have to get bad enough that there are literally more women than the top men can keep a handle on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 04:04 AM
1	If you're a 5'8" autistic guy, pursuing women in the traditional PUA/TRP sense is a statistically useless venture. Just relaying what my own experiences have shown me. Maybe it gets better after 30. Before, guys 5'8" or less are very screwed dating-wise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 04:01 AM
2	Are Children the Right Choice for ANYONE? These days there's barely even a societal norm with regards to having kids anymore, I don't think people would really think less of you for choosing to stay childless. Personally they seem like an enormous burden/hassle and I can't understand why anyone would want that trouble, but I understand that some folks enjoy raising children, so for them I guess it's worth it for the sense of personal fulfillment. For anyone else yea it seems a terrible idea.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 03:05 AM
5	Judiciary Promoting MGTOW Yea plus no woman is going to sign a pre nup anyways. One of a few reasons why I likely won't get married and refused to move in with my girlfriend when she wanted me to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 03:02 AM
9	Florida's proposed alimony and child support laws, and why feminists oppose it Well feminists are against it so that is pretty much a guarantee that it's a good idea. Of course feminists are the first to defend institutionalized legal advantages for women. Because it's about equality! Right gaiz?!	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 03:01 AM
2	Q4 RP: What is the difference between a woman's emotionalism and a mans? One is socially acceptable to display outwardly the other is not. Pretty much what it boils down to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 01:27 AM
1	If you're a 5'8" autistic guy, pursuing women in the traditional PUA/TRP sense is a statistically useless venture. I thought a highly aggressive asshole personality was the "traditional PUA/TRP sense" of "pursuing women?" Oh well, either way, I'd amend your premise: If you're a 5'8" guy, pursuing women in general is a statistically useless venture, assuming you are under 30 and average in other respects.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/16 01:24 AM
2	Journalist looking to interview a reformed MRA I smell trolling	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/16 05:43 AM
1	Q4BP: Why is the goal of what you claim is a misogyny sub changing the lives of the users to be based around pleasing women? Except that two distinct groups can have two distinct reasons for their choices if society treats them in two distinctly different ways. Society lets women get away with all kinds of shit, while if a man has problems, everything is his fault, he should have done this, that and the other thing. I wouldn't say that either gender is inherently "worse" or "dumber" or anything, just that our culture as it is currently lets women be those things without punishment to a much greater degree than it does…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/16 05:39 AM
1	[CMV] It's incredibly sexist of women to demand that the men they date don't act like assholes. It's not really sexist to just not want someone to be an asshole in general, but yes it becomes sexist when it's being applied inequally between genders. There is a huge double standard with this type of thing, the same people who were happy to see Ghomeshi's career ruined I have no doubt would be just as quick to make any and every excuse for a female who behaved reprehensibly toward her male SOs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/16 11:17 PM
1	Has A CMV post ever changed a persons view? This sub is a major reason I haven't just totally drank the red pill kool-aid..... I'm sure some CMV topics were involved with that as they're such a big part of the sub and spark so many of the discussions, but I can't recall any one specific instance that stands out	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/16 05:30 AM
1	(Q4All) What is the true measure of a White Knight? Oh yea, that is an example of someone being a victim of an inaccurate personal attack. Sometimes right wing types like to throw the word "white knight" at anyone who defends feminism and the like regardless of their real intentions, the same way leftists will accuse anyone who criticizes BLM of being a racist	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/16 03:51 AM
2	Anti-Masculine Manwhore Game: Wave of the future? Yeah if a guy is actually acting like a bitch and getting away with it I don't really know how TRP would explain that. I mean denying sex and being hot/cold is a type of dread game I suppose but definitely not the usual type of masculine dread game stuff that TRP would espouse. All I can say is that I've never seen or heard of it personally, nor do I recall even seeing it related online in these dating type spaces very often. I'm sure that it does exist somewhere just because almost everything h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/16 03:49 AM
2	(Q4All) What is the true measure of a White Knight? So, what makes a man a White Knight You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Your example of your own actions aren't white knighting since you were motivated to them because the person was your friend, not just because she was female. and is the term overused or abused? Like any term that catches on with the Internet, it gets thrown around too liberally sometimes. Are White Knights a genuine problem, drowning out genuine discussion Oh yes. They are the enablers of third-wave feminism's current …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/16 11:11 PM
12	Anti-Masculine Manwhore Game: Wave of the future? I don't see how this isn't just TRP in practice. Dark triad hard enough and you can get laid without needing status or money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/16 10:03 PM
7	CMV: Looks do not matter for women Looks do matter for women but only in two specific respects: Weight Age Yes, fat girls can still get laid, but it becomes noticeably more difficult and/or they have to accept much lower quality men than they would prefer. Being fat does have a real negative effect on a woman's SMV. The same goes for age, the more visible a woman's age becomes, the lower her SMV, and after accumulating enough wrinkles and cellulite her SMV lowers drastically. Hence the phenomenon known as "The Wall." In summary, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/16 05:45 PM
1	Q4RP: Do you read TBP to adjust your game? I wouldn't say TBP really points out what's wrong with TRP, not in a way that would be useful to TRPers at least. When I went there I remember just seeing them find the worst of the worst from TRP and just dump mockery and sarcasm on it in a big circlejerk. There wasn't much discussion of like how things should be done instead or how the core principles play out in real life etc, it was mainly just hunting for the most ridiculous quotes or topics. Which is totally fine for what is basically a ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/16 04:11 AM
1	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? Lol I've literally never known a "funny fat guy" to get laid nor do I believe that this is a real phenomenon. Women have options. She might laugh at the fat guy's jokes, she might even genuinely enjoy talking to him; that doesn't mean she is going to fuck him. She is going to say good night to him and go home to her boyfriend who is tall and not fat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/16 06:39 AM
2	Why pressure someone into sex they don't want? Yeah it has heavy overtones of a sort of male revenge porn fantasy to it. But the post is inaccurate in its characterization. If the girl has sex with you willingly you can't say she "didn't want to." It probably would be more accurate to say she was "reluctant" or "ambivalent" but that's different from "not really wanting to." Really if a girl is ambivalent about having sex with me but keeps doing it and stays in the relationship..... that's her problem lol. It's up to her whether or not to bre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/16 03:49 AM
5	Is calling someone gay/queer in order to mock them homophobic? Yes of course you shitlord	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/16 01:55 AM
1	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? But you forget that men approach. Women who aren't approached are invisible and don't affect the SMP, but men who are undesirable still affect it because they still try. So there ends up being a huge surplus of male attention going to the subset of females that are healthy weight or reasonably close.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/16 01:54 AM
1	For men, better to go for 9s and 10s, or stick in the 5-7 range? What kind of question is this? If you're Chad you can try for 9 or 10 everyone else should be grateful to get a 5-7. You can still try to "punch above your weight" BUT you should be fully prepared for the very likely rejection. As long as you're aware it probably won't work then there's no harm in trying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 05:56 PM
1	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? Yep, I'm about the same. I have had 1 relationship but that is literally the only girl that I can think of that has ever even shown interest in me. Both before and since I have had a zero percent success rate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 05:48 PM
2	CMV Even women who know the game loves a guy who uses game on them Yeah, if that's all you mean by "game," I can't imagine women objecting..... I mean by that definition a woman who doesn't appreciate "game" would just be totally unwilling to even interact with men	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 05:38 PM
1	Q4women: would it be ok for you if sexbots and virtual sex were a thing? Doubt it. Dating prospects mostly just comes down to genetics. Sure they could up their odds slightly, but unless they have good genes (which they likely don't, as if they did, they probably wouldn't even be in this situation to start with), no, they can't change their outcomes very much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 12:39 PM
3	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? Because he was a typical case -__-	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 12:38 PM
6	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? Yea, no. I've never seen this, online or off. To be fair, I'm sure it exists, but I don't think it's representative of most desperate omegas at all. The fact that you would be so quick to try and blame the male somehow says a lot about your perspective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 12:37 PM
4	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? Good lord. Okay I stand corrected. I had no idea it had gotten that bad. No wonder the dating market is such shit, there are so few healthy women left.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 12:35 PM
1	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? Someone with no relationship prospects whatsoever. You can definitely be not fat and have good hygiene and still find yourself in that situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 12:34 PM
2	CMV Even women who know the game loves a guy who uses game on them It depends what you mean by "game." If you mean dread or plate spinning, yes, women largely won't care, I agree, if anything those make you more attractive especially plate spinning as it makes you pre-selected. If you mean PUA type shit I don't think most women are into that..... many would definitely consider you a creep for it, assuming they caught on that you're doing it (of course, if you do it "correctly," it will seem natural, but women knowing they're being gamed is part of the question …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 04:35 AM
2	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? Even if you do those things you aren't at all safe from being an omega. Those are bare minimum things that are necessary to get girls' attention, but they're rarely sufficient. Only if you are naturally tall and good-looking, which of course no omega is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 04:31 AM
1	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? Fat women are far from the bottom 80% of the demographic. Furthermore, I disagree that men are often mean to fat women. More accurately, men often choose not to pursue dating relationships with fat women. That isn't the same as being mean to them, but it's unsurprising that you would equate the two, and says a lot about the gender biases ingrained in society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 04:29 AM
12	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? Wow. You clearly haven't seen the situation of omega men if you think they only want supermodels and wouldn't be satisfied with an "ordinary" girl. Many incels would be fine dating a below average girl, even grateful, but can't even get that. That's why they're called omega lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 04:27 AM
7	Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves? Depends. Most "omega" women are such because they are fat. I don't have sympathy for that person, no. If a woman has some kind of legitimate disability that can't be changed, such as disfigurement or severe mental issues, yes that is something that would draw sympathy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 04:26 AM
1	Q4women: would it be ok for you if sexbots and virtual sex were a thing? Not sure if this is the way to go though, for the good of society, if a certain subset of let's say very smart but socially awkward people opt out of the dating market Those people are already pretty much screwed (figuratively, not literally, of course) with the current system. Being a socially awkward nerd is a complete death sentence in the current SMP so who cares	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/16 02:15 AM
1	are submissive guys more common than what we actually may think? Oh, if you are talking about BDSM specifically, sure. I thought "submissive" was being used in a broader social context, for example guys who are whipped by their girlfriends and let them totally steer the relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 09:51 PM
1	are submissive guys more common than what we actually may think? The BDSM community isn't exactly representative of the general population	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 09:31 PM
8	Are women happier as housewives? Science says no. I agree that there isn't exactly a better way, but that doesn't change that the current way is shit. People do NOT give unbiased answers on these things, and that goes double for questions directly relating to their own beliefs or feelings. It's quite possible that a woman who has chosen to focus on her career might feel obligated to say that she's happy with what she's accomplished; simple sunk cost fallacy. Now that might not be the case, sure; but it also might be, and we've got no way at all…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 06:23 AM
5	The Red Pill Documentary Dude, most "real world" people wouldn't even know what the men's rights movement is, much less care enough to do any digging about it. I promise you any self-respecting feminist would rather just slap a label on that shit "oh it's just men whining because now they have to share" and be done with it simple as that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 06:21 AM
1	The girls, the parties, the sex, and the friends to kick the shit with. How hard is it to realistically have that kind of a life as a guy? Really you just have to find some people, some how, that are willing to go to bars and clubs with you..... there are still people that do even in their 30's. How you're supposed to meet them after college, assuming you can't carry any of them over from then, I'm not sure. If you're really dedicated to it though, then you would want to go for a career that is related to clubbing somehow, DJ, promoter, bartender, some shit like that, then you would be pretty set. But in general, yes, it's obviousl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 06:17 AM
5	The Red Pill Documentary No, that's the sensible feminist complaint. It's not at all the usual complaint. The usual complaint consists of "ermuhgerd muh soggy knees!!!1!1" and little else. 98% of feminists can't be bothered to actually do any research to find out what Paul Elam is really like (and I'm not defending Paul Elam here, fyi)	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 06:10 AM
1	Most women lack the drive necessary to become successful. And they despise the women that do. Every time a woman says there aren't enough women CEOs, heads of state, etc., make sure to take note of her own profession. Is she herself in physics or other hard sciences, or w/e other "disadvantaged" profession? Is she personally willing to put in the hours to become a Doctor of Physics? No? Then it's the height of hypocrisy for her to complain. Forcing gender "equality," dear lord..... at this point I want them to just go ahead and do it, make gender "equality" mandatory, since that is the o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 03:53 AM
5	CMV: In the SMV women can run into problems and disadvantages of their own, but men overall have it worse The only way I would challenge your view is that you don't go far enough lol. I don't think there's any kind of bias at all against women being "assertive" or w/e, not any more than there would be against men doing the same at least. The only reason this perception even exists is because of feminism which has taught people that any negative reaction to a female under any circumstances is misogyny. In reality some women are disliked because they are just being assholes, not because they are women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 03:21 AM
8	are submissive guys more common than what we actually may think? Who ever said that submissive men aren't common? Hell, red pillers seem to think that men being submissive is the new normal. I don't really see the connection between female characters in fiction and men being submissive IRL either.....	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 03:13 AM
2	The Red Pill Documentary I mean being demonized by the same people that are reporting on it. No one has tried to do an unbiased assessment of the MRM on this scale before, so far as I'm aware. Yes of course feminists and whoever will decry it as horrible patriarchal propaganda or w/e, but at least the person presenting the information and the person criticizing it will be two separate parties for once, so that viewers will have a real chance to make up their own minds about what they're seeing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 03:10 AM
2	The Red Pill Documentary I think it's great that someone is shining light on these spaces in society without the usual awful feminist bias. Even if you disagree with them they deserve to be heard without being demonized beyond all hope before they've even opened their mouths. Ready to see the finished product.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 02:31 AM
1	QFALL: Have you ever had a friend you'd make a great couple with if you were mutually romantically attracted? Oh, wouldn't date, like wouldn't even give it a shot? My guess is this will vary wildly across the sexes. Almost all women have at least one person who fits this description I'd be willing to bet. Men not so much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 02:29 AM
2	Are women capable of loving the man that didn't take her virginity? No no no, this isn't what the data implies. On average, less women stay with partners who they didn't lose their virginity to, yes. But it's only an average trend, not an absolute rule. There are still all the women who do marry and stay with someone who they didn't lose their virginity to. So you can't just categorically say that all women are incapable of loving non-virgin partners as much. There's also no way to know whether or not this correlation is also causation. For instance, underlying …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 02:25 AM
7	Are women happier as housewives? Science says no. None of this really means anything because anything studying "happiness" is relying on hopelessly biased and unreliable self-reporting. There's no way to know whether a person is actually happy/unhappy, or whether they just perceive one of those as the more acceptable answer given the circumstances. This is a question the data will always be unclear on. With that said, I do think it's stupid to generalize so broadly as to try and claim that women as a population will categorically be happier as …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 02:10 AM
1	Discussion: how has your upbringing and/or cultural background shaped your thoughts about gender? I came from a very stereotypical white Christian middle class household deep in the South. Fairly religious family in the sense that they went to church every Sunday and often dragged me along. Unlike a lot of my generation I actually appreciate the time I spent in church and some of the lessons there, the youth groups and such really gave me some fellowship at times when I really needed it. As far as gender, I am very short, and was so socially awkward at the beginning of high school that I bar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/16 01:56 AM
9	Cmv: one thing that i learnt in university that i'll never forget is that the way that all women feel the pressure to be attractive for men, that they MUST BE pretty - theyre locked down in that regard, held hostage if you will. They cant find a way to escape or overcome that What a bunch of bull smack. You're assuming a lot of things: That women must care what men think about them. I've known plenty of women, most of them attractive btw, who rather just stay single for protracted periods if they don't meet a Chad. That perception by the opposite sex matters to women much more than it does to men--trust me, guys who can't pull girls also feel like shit about it, more than women I would argue since unlike women society treats it as though it's entirely their fault. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 11:47 PM
2	New independent RPW sub -- Redpillwives Hey maybe it's changed now, I subbed over a year ago and stopped really following it almost that long ago. I agree I never felt an "anger phase" myself. Even though a lot of the current dating norms suck for guys I don't get angry because I don't believe that it was malicious, I don't think women (well the vast majority at least, there are always feminists :/) consciously set this situation up or did these things with the intentions to hurt men. It's kind of just how the cards have fallen in our…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 11:41 PM
1	Is it important to have evidence for your beliefs? "Women feel less empathy than men" is the sort of far over-reaching and unnecessary sweeping statement that makes me not comfortable identifying as red pill even though I agree with them on some things. That's such a huge generalization to make..... and about something which even professional scientists find to be very difficult or impossible to quantify and measure, never mind random dudes on reddit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 11:38 PM
24	New independent RPW sub -- Redpillwives Yea, the main reason I don't participate much on the TRP sub is due to how much the "anger phase" and other woman-hating bullshit pervades it. The core ideas have some merit I think but it's just wrapped in so much toxicity there sometimes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 07:27 AM
1	Women Rate Most Men Unattractive: Follow up on the 80/20 Rule What's your point here?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 05:57 AM
3	Women Rate Most Men Unattractive: Follow up on the 80/20 Rule They're looking at still pictures, a lot of really charming bastards suddenly become a lot more attractive in person. lawl, bollocks. No amount of "charm" makes up for poor looks Many straight men shouldn't be allowed to take pictures. By far, the least attractive thing they could be doing is smiling at the camera, just like the Wal-Mart picture you take out of the frame. Go with honesty. If you're a cocky asshole, show it off. If you're wounded and it hurts inside, let everybody in. Women relia…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 05:15 AM
2	Guys, how long are you willing to wait to have sex with the girl you want to be your girlfriend? For sex, indefinitely. I really don't care that much about getting laid. For some degree of physical intimacy, even just a kiss or something..... 3-5 dates, I guess. I'm more concerned with having a girlfriend at all than I am with actually having sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 05:04 AM
1	Question for RP: Why don't most teen girls prefer men over 30? I think RP is actually wrong about this, at least to an extent. Women do prefer men that are older but after a certain extent, maybe five years or so, past that there is still a strong social stigma against having such a relationship. I personally knew a girl that got into a relationship with a guy 10 years older than her and her family was very disapproving. A lot of people I've talked to think it's messed up to date a girl that is even 4-5 years younger than you, never mind a decade. But if th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 05:01 AM
1	CMV: Our gene pool has been polluted for a long time and it's only natural that a lot of men be incel. Fair enough.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 04:22 AM
0	AF/BB logic questioned by science I don't think money captures the alpha beta dynamic really..... I mean it disproves the typical RP narrative, sure, but I think they're pretty close to the reality with only slight modifications to the narrative. Women settle for betas when they find themselves unable to land an alpha, it's just that simple. It's not about money or "providing" in a material sense, it's more about the social capital of having a partner. Women, generally speaking, will ultimately need to be in a relationship or th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 03:38 AM
2	CMV: Our gene pool has been polluted for a long time and it's only natural that a lot of men be incel. Oh boy where to start with these bold assumptions. Let's see, you'd have to define what exactly you mean by..... "good" genes, including what makes those genes "good," what makes incels "not worth breeding with," etc. I mean, I'm with you to an extent, in that now that women have the power to choose, they are rejecting unattractive men who under past social institutions they may have been pressured into partnering with. I think the rise of information technology and the increasing mobility of th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 03:23 AM
1	Q4RPMEN: Would you ever LTR a woman who had sex with you on the first date? Possibly, but if I did, I'd be very cautious WRT expecting the relationship to not last. It would take much longer for the person to build up trust where I'd be willing to take steps forward like moving in together or something. Even if it's a high N count that breaks up with me in a few months, that's honestly fine, but I would go into the "relationship" knowing what I'm in for and not expecting any possibility of long-term monogamy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 02:56 AM
1	Discussion: Some Thoughts On The Popular SMV Comparison Graph Lol how would Rational Male even quantify and calculate the measures for that graph? What data would it be based on? Given the source I'm assuming it's biased pseudo-science at best, or more likely just made up. With my distrust of Rational Male's ability to do proper statistical analysis out of the way, yes, I basically agree with your post..... it's much more plausible to me that men get more sexual power relative to women within their age group in their mid-30's, not more relative to all wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/16 02:53 AM
11	What happens when the Tinder and internet dating generation of women hits the wall in 5-20 years I don't think there will be any sort of major political or social movements, the likes of which would make the news or anything. In terms of social and cultural norms, and the prevailing narratives about gender relations and dating, ideally we would see a regression to the mean as this generation of women talk amongst each other about where it went wrong and relate their conclusions to their daughters. Worst case scenario..... nothing changes :/ This is the most female-centric SMP in history, AF…	/r/TheRedPill	02/04/16 04:52 AM
1	CMV: Some girls are better off for having ridden the ol CC I agree with you, that is part of how life happens. I have known a couple girls personally that rode the CC a bit but became serial monogamists before college ended. I'm just imagining how the quintessential RPer would see this discussion. I figure this is where their lamenting the decline of traditional family values would come in. "In the good old days women were taught better than that and didn't have to fuck around to learn their lesson." Etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/16 04:21 AM
1	Feminists won't fight for female conscription, or: "I want my civil rights but I don't want my civil duties" You have a result: that a draft is still technically legal and politicians don't seem to talk about this much. And you have a proposed explanation for that result: that feminists are somehow able to influence politicians to a degree that they consistently and unjustly prioritize women's issues and ignore men's issues. It's not an active conspiracy to suppress the issue (although feminists do engage in this sometimes, they are very censor-happy), it's just the lack of action to bring attention to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/16 03:08 AM
0	CMV: Some girls are better off for having ridden the ol CC Possible, but RP would no doubt argue they'd still be better off if they just never rode the CC at all. I would tend to agree, if a woman hops on for a bit then quickly gets off because she doesn't like it, then obviously it wasn't a positive experience for her; so it would have been best if she'd just understood those lessons about sex without having to learn them the hard way through unsatisfactory encounters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/16 12:17 AM
1	CMV: TBP is wrong because they get fewer upvotes in this subreddit. Eh, you can't draw such a conclusion based on just the way herd mentality happens to be swinging. By this logic the people on a white supremacy board are right because more people there agree with them than disagree. Even though they don't get 100% of the upvotes, I've deduced that p < 0.05 and therefore TRP is right. lol where is your math on this :p	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/16 12:14 AM
1	Would you accept this arrangement? 'Open' LTR where you receive and give romance and affection to LTR, but no sex, and then get sex from others outside the relationship without commitment and romance. Terrible idea, especially for men who often can't easily find other people to have sex with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/16 12:11 AM
3	PurplePillDebate to endorse Trump I miss all the crazy SJW ranters from back when I first started posting here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/16 12:06 AM
2	Saying "provide sources/statistics/proof" in response to what someone is saying is a weak cop out and avoids real debate But if it can't be externalized to anyone else, then there's not much use discussing it with others on, say, an Internet board.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/16 12:05 AM
4	Feminists won't fight for female conscription, or: "I want my civil rights but I don't want my civil duties" It's true I haven't 'lifted a finger' to change draft legislation. The reason I haven't done anything about the drsft is because I personally cannot recall a politician saying a word about instating it. It seems so far from the forefront of anyone's campaign that it's just not a factor. For a hyperbolic example, it's also still illegal to burn deface money. If people were getting punished for mistreating their dollar bills, I'd be concerned about getting that changed. As it is, it's not somethin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/16 12:02 AM
1	The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women? lol you clearly haven't been on this sub very long, or probably out in the real world dating market for that matter. Make a topic asking women if it bothers them whether or not a guy is a virgin, if it would make them hesitant to date him, hook up with him, etc. See what happens :p	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/16 11:41 PM
1	Saying "provide sources/statistics/proof" in response to what someone is saying is a weak cop out and avoids real debate What I mean is ideas, which aren't necessarily dependent on hard data about people's behavior. There's a topic in the sub right now where people are trying to argue how it's not inconsistent for feminists to want "equality" and yet also not give a shit about the draft. That's a great example of something you can debunk without any numbers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/16 11:39 PM
2	Feminists won't fight for female conscription, or: "I want my civil rights but I don't want my civil duties" Can you differentiate between advantage and alleviating a disadvantage? If you can then that would help a lot. An example of the former would be the privilege women have been granted on many college campuses (and in the court of public opinion more generally) to automatically be believed if they say they've been sexually assaulted. That is something men cannot do, so it is an advantage women have. Alleviating a disadvantage would be something like fixing the gender pay gap, although that's a bad…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/16 06:33 PM
2	Saying "provide sources/statistics/proof" in response to what someone is saying is a weak cop out and avoids real debate Confirmation bias and relying on anecdotal evidence are serious intellectual pitfalls which completely undermine your conclusions if you fall prey to them. It's a valid thing to be concerned about. That said, I agree that sometimes people will use it as a cheap fallback plan, I've seen requests for "proof" in response to arguments which are more concerned with logic and trains of thought, things which can be discussed abstractly without need for physical evidence to form their premises.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/16 05:49 PM
2	Feminists won't fight for female conscription, or: "I want my civil rights but I don't want my civil duties" The draft only affects men, ergo it is an institution which is highly unequal between the genders. =/= Feminists support the draft. If you say you support gender equality, but you only ever actually advocate for issues that negatively affect women--for instance by going out on marches and engaging in activism--then your words are inconsistent with your actions. If you actively advocate for women but stay home when it's about men, then you clearly aren't interested in equality. What you should sa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/16 05:45 PM
2	New Theory: Early Dating Bottleneck Theory There is some truth to this but it's a pretty gross oversimplification. Not every girl can be easily categorized as an obvious "slut" or "good girl," the same as how TRP's concepts of alpha vs beta are not a black and white dichotomy in real life. Very few people are perfect examples of either one, most people have some mix of traits from both archetypes. I don't think it's true that basically every woman is either "slutting it up" or constantly LTR'd--some women stay single without engaging in …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/16 05:37 PM
2	Feminists won't fight for female conscription, or: "I want my civil rights but I don't want my civil duties" Explain to me how these statements are "not in the realm of reality": Feminists claim to be in favor of gender equality. The draft only affects men, ergo it is an institution which is highly unequal between the genders. Feminists have raised far more hell over "rape culture" and the "wage gap" than they have over the draft.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/16 03:42 PM
6	Feminists won't fight for female conscription, or: "I want my civil rights but I don't want my civil duties" This is even worse. If one thinks the draft in general is wrong, and one also claims to be in favor of "gender equality", then shouldn't one be at the front of a massive push to do away with something that is wrong and which clearly and undeniably only affects one gender (i.e. the draft and men)? Yet feminists don't lift a finger to do anything about it, only claim to be against it when specifically asked. They're more concerned with making sure that men are guilty until proven innocent in rape …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/16 03:10 AM
2	What is a slut? All of those are pretty good definitions except maybe the last one. You could be sex positive but still be only interested in LTRs/marriage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/16 12:10 AM
7	Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobia I agree, but RPers don't. They believe female promiscuity is a cause of infidelity. So promoting promiscuity is promoting infidelity, in their view (although they don't realize it, or perhaps just don't care). Promiscuity and infidelity are correlated; this doesn't mean one directly causes the other. I would suspect that underlying psychological tendencies are to blame for both, personally. Also, many RPers wouldn't care about making women less faithful, as many of them refuse marriage and say t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/16 12:06 AM
2	CMV: Unreasonable niceness or kindness is a negative for sexual attractiveness It ups the chances he will be a "good friend," maybe. It seems like you yourself are saying it doesn't up the chances you will sleep him, so I'm glad we agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:59 PM
1	Question for the red pill: How many times have you caught blue pillers gas lighting? Any time the 1-in-3/4/5 or 77 cents on the dollar propaganda "statistics" come out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:58 PM
2	Question for the red pill: How many times have you caught blue pillers gas lighting? Usually it refers to telling people something is happening when it really isn't, or vice versa, basically denying reality. The origin of the term is an old movie where a guy turns down the fuel to a set of gas lights outside so that they flicker, and when his wife says the lights outside are flickering, he says they're not, that he doesn't see it, and insinuates that she's going crazy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:57 PM
6	Slut shaming is immoral and equivalent to racism/homophobia If you bemoan infidelity, but you are encouraging a more sexual culture and more aggressive sexual tactics, then you are part of the cause of this infidelity. No, promoting sex isn't the same as promoting infidelity. Studies show the same thing for men. And if men are promiscous, a lot of women will feel left out if they don't get their own share of sex. Male promiscuity encourages female promiscuity, both from a jealousy standpoint, and also the fact that if men are reluctant to commit to women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:42 PM
5	Cmv: guys who care about women who previously rode the cock carousel (not to an extreme amount but a typical amount) are highly insecure I can't believe this still comes up so often..... high N count predicts divorce and cheating very reliably. More reliably than any other indicator AFAIK. Once you get past 5 partners for the woman only about 20% of those marriages do not end in divorce. Therefore to date a CC rider is basically to doom your LTR to failure before it even starts. Now, if someone doesn't even want to just have casual sex with CC riders, that is less obvious as to why it would be a problem, but I think STDs are a le…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:27 PM
1	Is it OK to hit a women? Now of course we will probably never have the law treating men and women equally in reality, but in an ideal world, yes, obviously. Women are equal; therefore they can be hit, the same as any man. Otherwise, everything that has happened with regards to gender discourse in the past century has to be thrown out the window, as the driving theme behind all of it has been the concept of equality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:24 PM
2	CMV: Unreasonable niceness or kindness is a negative for sexual attractiveness And don't ask me if I then go on to bang or proposition these strangers, because I don't do that anyway, even if someone is smoking hot. Then you're not an example of kindness being attractive, are you? -__- "fell in love with him," sure, however you want to word it. What you really mean is you recognized he's a good person. That's not the same as being sexually attracted. If it doesn't lead to an increased inclination towards sex then it's not an example of kindness being attractive. I totally …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:22 PM
1	What causes men to become RP? How did TRP come to be in the first place? Yeah that's what I meant with my last line, the push back is not very strong and not taken seriously right now. I think it may be one of those things that is happening under the surface and we're not seeing it yet because the SJW media doesn't want to talk about it. I definitely won't be surprised if the ridiculous campus rape policies currently in place eventually provoke a big enough backlash to be overturned, for instance. It could be a "cascade effect" where no one is really saying it, then …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:15 PM
1	The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women? Wow that wasn't nearly as bad as I expected. I have had convos like that with girls on tinder and I'm the opposite of a Chad (although I am small/scrawny as opposed to fat, which is important I think) EDIT: Nvm I only read the first post lol. The later bits, where he's saying crude stuff, yea not so much. But to be fair not all of the reactions he's getting are super accepting of it	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:10 PM
1	The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women? I don't know about the exact percentages, but it's completely plausible to me that sex is distributed unevenly in a manner similar to this (the guys near the top of the distribution get a disproportionate share). The only way this wouldn't be true would be if looks don't count for anything.....	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:08 PM
6	The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women? No, it just means you can succeed despite being a virgin if you have enough positives to outweigh it (like, y'know, being ridiculously hot). It doesn't mean that being a virgin isn't unattractive. It obviously is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:07 PM
2	What causes men to become RP? How did TRP come to be in the first place? Feminism running away to the point that real anti-male biases begin to emerge in society. It's that simple. The same way that feminism was the obvious political response to real and serious biases against women, TRP and MRA is the backlash from men. Except the way the media works now, I don't know if it will be possible for any viewpoints that aren't in line with SJW identity politics to really gain traction anymore, because the crybully tactics are so ridiculously effective at stopping any disc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 11:02 PM
13	Feminists won't fight for female conscription, or: "I want my civil rights but I don't want my civil duties" To be honest, I have heard most feminists are for women being allowed into all branches of the military. They might say that if you specifically ask them the question, but they won't lift a finger to actually get the law changed, and you bet they're not losing any sleep over the fact that men might have to go overseas and get blown up while women are safe from that risk. But if someone says something mean to a woman on Twitter, they lose their minds over it. Same as the "it's about equality" lin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 10:54 PM
1	Male promiscuity and infidelity: Turns out, male sluts are just as bad. That's quite the non-answer you've got there. N count is obviously part of "attractiveness"; consider how many women consider virgins repulsive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 08:06 PM
1	Male promiscuity and infidelity: Turns out, male sluts are just as bad. You think it's the other way around? That men prefer strippers? Totally plausible lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 07:36 PM
7	CMV: "Taking the Red Pill" isn't choosing the hard truth, it is choosing an easy lie. Yeah, that's not mainstream advice. That is absolutely the mainstream narrative. The vast majority of people, if dating comes up, will push those concepts--"be nice," "be yourself," "only shallow women care about appearance," etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 05:12 PM
2	CMV: "Taking the Red Pill" isn't choosing the hard truth, it is choosing an easy lie. Being touchy feely is probably the most unsexy thing a male could possibly do Your woman will absolutely be turned the fuck off if you behave that way, and being completely turned off is the obvious first step in her wanting to leave you	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 05:10 PM
3	CMV: "Taking the Red Pill" isn't choosing the hard truth, it is choosing an easy lie. The key difference between feminism and TRP actually has everything to do with blame. While both say "society is fucked up and biased against your gender," feminism then goes on to claim that it is the state and society's job to fix everything for women, and that women have no responsibility to change any of their own behaviors. TRP is the opposite, it tells men that no one gives a fuck about their problems and they have to make their own success or just accept mediocrity. That is way harder to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 05:08 PM
1	RP's Core Values Dissected by Me for Your Reading and Debating Entertainment Intellectually or morally speaking, no. From a standpoint of a woman seeking a high status mate, yes, money is one of the best indicators, arguably the very best. Not saying that's how it should be, just that that if you look at people's actual behavior, that's obviously how it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 02:39 PM
17	Should basic social skills be taught in K-12? First you have to ask whether or not the public school system is capable of actually effectively teaching social skills. Even if it were attempted, it would be instantly overrun by SJW nonsense, so it wouldn't be worth it at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 04:41 AM
5	RP's Core Values Dissected by Me for Your Reading and Debating Entertainment Feminine Imperative: The tendency of media and culture to put women first, excuse their misdeeds (see also: rationalization hamster), and criticize any holding of accountability or pointing out of double standards as being “anti-women”. Definitely true. They will deny it to the end of time, of course, but the fact that you aren't allowed to say there's a feminine imperative just further proves to me that it obviously exists. People wouldn't be so adamant about shutting you up if you weren't on t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 04:35 AM
5	RP's Core Values Dissected by Me for Your Reading and Debating Entertainment LMR probably exists in some cases, but I don't think it's worth the risk of committing rape. Even if she "really means yes," if she only ever actually says no, you're setting yourself up for retroactive withdrawal of consent. Playing those kind of head games aren't worth it IMO..... I'd rather just take her at her word and save myself the trouble. If she "really meant yes" then too bad, it's her loss.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 04:02 AM
1	Do you accept that people can perceive things differently to how you perceive them? Where do you think you are? This is the Internet. Of course everyone else is wrong and a stupid idiot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 03:58 AM
4	This is why TBP mocks TRP. 25% is a ton on an echo chamber sub	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 03:43 AM
1	What do you guys make of this video (Masks off - a challenge to men)? Sure, but now you're going to have to show where RP says that women deserve to be raped. Good luck with that. Try making a topic in their sub where you whine about how you can't get any women even though you clearly deserve to. Go ahead. See how much sympathy you get. If you really want to find a crowd that enables rape, you'll be wanting to head over to the Middle East.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/16 01:23 AM
3	Q4RP: Do you trust your partner? Would you let them go partying on their own? The only sensible course of action IMO is to let your gf go out with her friends if she wants..... assume that nothing untoward has happened until you see actual evidence of it. If she does cheat on you odds are you'll find out eventually without having to make yourself look like an ass by snooping and trying to monitor her. From my own experience I would say it's more exhausting and difficult to have a relationship where neither of you can go anywhere without the other. When I had a gf I actual…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/16 06:20 PM
1	Why women are so unrestfull and unsatisfied and unhappy today This is a bizarre theory with no evidence and only very tenuous logic to it. No one really knows how women were "meant" to live throughout human history because none of us were there and there's no records of it. Even if we did know, there's no reason to believe that modern women's emotions are dictated by the species's past lifestyle. I think modern women are unhappy because of unrealistic expectations plain and simple. They think they can have their cake and eat it too--a strong career and a f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/16 05:06 PM
1	What do you guys make of this video (Masks off - a challenge to men)? And people think Milo is exaggerating when he talks about "lesbianic man-haters" -__-	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/16 02:39 AM
2	What do you guys make of this video (Masks off - a challenge to men)? So is there any possible way that a man could be..... not disliked by them? Like I don't even	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/16 12:46 AM
3	[Question for Red Pill] Do women own their own bodies? You clearly haven't been a woman on a dating site if you think insults are the main type of message they get. Anyways, yes, the post you quoted is stupid and racist. Any sensible RPer would recognize that a woman does have the right to do with her body as she wishes. However, there are certain things that are obviously stupid to do with yourself and are therefore criticized as such, for instance, becoming a single mother, or becoming fat (note that I definitely would not include dating black guy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/16 12:20 AM
2	What do you guys make of this video (Masks off - a challenge to men)? So does that make you personally responsible for the actions of the SJWs who poured a bucket of urine on a conservative reporter's head recently? Because you are engaged in spreading similar ideas as the beliefs they held?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/16 12:05 AM
3	What do you guys make of this video (Masks off - a challenge to men)? At this point I would trust sheriffs who actually work in law enforcement over SJWs propaganda any day of the week on what amount of crime reports are false	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/16 12:04 AM
3	What do you guys make of this video (Masks off - a challenge to men)? Maybe the point of this man's video wasnt made to make you feel guilty, but help you understand that there is a problem and, even though you didnt directly contribute to it, still hold some responsibility to speak out against it. When was the last time you publicly spoke out against the problem of murder? How about theft, fraud, or drug addiction? Haven't done those things recently? You're a shitty person. You personally have a responsibility not to sit by and let these things exist in society!	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/16 12:03 AM
2	What do you guys make of this video (Masks off - a challenge to men)? wait wait wait wait How could college feminists possibly have a problem with this guy? He sounds like he's totally and completely drank their kool-aid.......	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/03/16 12:00 AM
2	Q4BP: Do you always believe survivors? Nice avoidance of the point with regards to how shitty these university "policies" are lol And now who's assuming guilt with evidence? You would be okay with universities expelling female students based on allegations of sexual misconduct from male students, with no corroborating evidence just he-said she-said? Yea I'm sure you would be just fine with that lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/16 03:51 PM
5	You find out your 17 year old daughter is having unprotected sex with a gang member. What would you do? Pretty much. Note that I'm fully aware that I would likely be a terrible parent and don't want to actually have kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/16 03:45 PM
1	You find out your 17 year old daughter is having unprotected sex with a gang member. What would you do? I would talk to her and tell her she has to stop seeing him. If she refuses, I'd disown her. No gang members in the family, under any circumstances. Beyond unacceptable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/16 03:53 AM
1	Q4BP: Do you always believe survivors? The problem is that in this case the university is deciding guilt. By suspending the male student they are marking him as guilty of a sex crime. It's not like they toss him out and society forgives him and it's all hunky dory afterwards. That man's life is ruined. That decision of guilt should only be made by courts that are specifically purposed as such. You do realize that the way this works in practice right now, male students have no control over whether or not they are breaching the univers…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/16 03:51 AM
1	Q4R&PP: Do you hate women or think they are inferior? When people say these things they are getting things confused. No one hates "women" as in all 3 point whatever billion of them. That's so stupid it's not even funny. I guess there are probably a few extreme MGTOWs out there somewhere that literally hate women just for being women, but by and large it's more nuanced than that. TRP for example, they don't hate all women, they hate certain kinds of women; feminists, women they perceive as "gold diggers" or "divorce rapers," etc. Since the behaviors…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/16 03:42 AM
1	Q4BP: Do you always believe survivors? Except that when they presume the guilt of a male accused of sexual assault, they're subsuming the function of the legal system. There is no point in even having criminal justice courts if organizations can just ignore them and decide internally who is "guilty" or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/16 02:43 AM
5	Q4Men: How many of you engage in risky sex? They definitely do, having worked in a state health department's STD/HIV division I can very confidently say that STDs and socioeconomic status are highly correlated. If you're not poor and no one you're fucking is then it's very unlikely you would catch something like gonorrhea or chlamydia, although herpes is a different story.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/03/16 02:32 AM
2	Who needs who more? It's definitely true that the person who cares less has power in the relationship. I've experienced this first hand. Almost every LTR I've seen among my friends develops an obvious dynamic along these lines as well, either one person or the other is clearly the one in charge. It's never the same gender either, I've seen both male dominant and female dominant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/16 04:59 PM
7	CMV: The vast majority of young women are "hot" women. No it isn't lol. There's a reason PUA, TRP, wizardchan, etc.--a reason all of that exists for men and not so much for women. Women have naturally higher standards and are more selective than men. Combined with social norms that compel men to be the asker and women the chooser, this means it is much easier for the average woman to get dates, sex, etc., than it is for the average man. At any given time more men are looking with lower standards by comparison to women. If this weren't the case, and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/16 11:11 PM
3	CMV: The vast majority of young women are "hot" women. If you're a 6 in terms of attractiveness, and you're shy or awkward or difficult or a bitch, you're going to have a harder time getting laid when there's plenty of better options for men (in the days of female sexual liberation). Not true. You've got the genders reversed. Many, many men do NOT have better options than that. The only way this woman has trouble getting laid is if she's setting her sights too high and only willing to sleep with the very attractive men who can consistently do better…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/16 09:19 PM
2	Which one of Ted Cruz's mistresses do you think would not have slept with him if he weren't a US Senator? Most/all	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/16 02:30 AM
2	What is 'Blue Pill'? Yeah the one about "insecure guys FLIPPING OUT over their girlfriends having had sex before" and such. That used to be a lot more of the norm. I guess those people got tired of losing every argument and having their posts modded when they got into flame wars.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/16 02:10 AM
2	What is 'Blue Pill'? Egalitarian at best, SJW at worst. More often the latter, but over the past year the blues on this sub specifically seem to be trending refreshingly towards the former. I remember being on this sub and seeing feminist rants pretty often like the one that just went up today.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/16 02:06 AM
1	People who use evolutionary psychology, where do you get your info? I mean what use is it to say "everything is biology?" While technically a true statement, it's useless for actually explaining or predicting anything in specific terms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/16 12:03 AM
2	TRP MEN: stop downvoting my posts just because you disagree. lol why is this a topic There are a lot of bluepers on here and I don't see them getting downvoted any more consistently than the terps. You're probably being downvoted because of the tone and content of your posts on an individual level, not because of which pill you are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/16 12:02 AM
1	People who use evolutionary psychology, where do you get your info? Yes, obviously. But where do you go from there?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 11:46 PM
1	People who use evolutionary psychology, where do you get your info? Sure but once you expand the definition that wide it doesn't mean anything anymore. If "evolution" literally refers to "everything," then saying that something is caused by evolution doesn't convey any useful information.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 11:22 PM
1	People who use evolutionary psychology, where do you get your info? I don't really trust all the evo psych arm chair theorizing. Fact of the matter is no one has any clue how humans actually socialized and behaved for the vast, vast majority of our species's lifetime, so anything based on traits having "evolved" a certain way is just speculation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 11:20 PM
2	I have some questions for BluePill and RedPill men. Do you pay for the check when going out with a girl? If you do gladly pay for the bill, but the girl doesn't offer to help pay for it, what do you think of her? I don't pay, not on the first dates at least. If I am in a definite LTR I will be willing to pay sometimes. On a first date it's a bad risk/reward because there's no guarantee you'll ever see the chick again and I don't believe that paying for her food increases the chances that you will (and even have reason to suspect that it decreases…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 10:48 PM
4	What is 'Blue Pill'? Bluepers are just "anything but red pill" in the same way that feminists "just want equality." The self-described (this is important: people who get to define their own identifier have a vested interest in making themselves appear neutral) definition of the term doesn't match up with the actual rhetoric.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 10:41 PM
1	Guys Worried About Their Girlfriend's Sexual History are Creepy lol it's been a while since I saw a good honest feminist rant. Sorry but reality doesn't agree with you. The data are clear; higher N count predicts cheating and divorce.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 10:36 PM
5	Donald Trump, and how his political Chad game works. What is it about Trump's persona that strikes a chord with Republican voters? He's one of the most anti-PC people imaginable. Why was the Republican Party and the other candidates so vulnerable to Trump's hostile takeover? The voter base finally got fed up with their utter failure to deliver on their promises or to get anything done at all. Lower class white people are still suffering. They don't feel like things are getting any better for them, and they're worried that they're only going to get…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 04:00 PM
6	Guys, what traits should a woman have to make her suitable for a LTR? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect Basically don't be an SJW idiot. Sexual terrorism probably refers to women withholding sex as an implied threat/coercion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 03:37 PM
6	Guys, what traits should a woman have to make her suitable for a LTR? Won't get bored after 6 months to a year; able to do her own thing without requiring constant excitement from her partner. Oh and don't be fat. Pretty much the only requirements.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 03:36 PM
3	Q4BP: would you date a transsexual? Almost no one that is heteronormative would date a trans person and I flat out call bull shit on any who say they would	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 03:52 AM
4	Question for both pills: What's something about your own pill that makes you question its validity? BP: Too much feminism..... no explanation needed at this point RP: I think the core view of sexual dynamics is much more accurate to reality than BP aka Beta Pill aka "now run along and be a good little feminist you straight white cis male shitlord, and in exchange we won't shame and harass your soul into oblivion"..... but after that they lose me. Too much confirmation bias, jumping to conclusions, unnecessary vitriol, etc. I wish more people could take and explain uncomfortable, but real truth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 03:49 AM
2	CMV: There is no such thing as an egalitarian relationship. This is a typical nirvana fallacy; like saying "no one can ever be truly objective and logical in their decision-making, so we shouldn't even try." No, no relationship will ever actually be 100% pure egalitarian. Doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't try.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 03:43 AM
4	Has Donald Trump proved that TRP is right, in that a dominant, sexually successful man commands respect from everyone? Trump is more complicated than "oh he bangs hawt wimminz we vote for him." There's a lot of forces at work and that particular angle, I think, is only a minor factor if it matters at all. Remember he has tried to run before and it actually was just a joke. What's different this year is that the voter base is actually legitimately fed up with their politicians to the point that they're willing to openly rebel against what they perceive as the establishment. Trump was in the right place, at the ri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 03:41 AM
2	If women become so unattractive after 30 (or earlier) then who exactly are older married women "branch swinging" to? Who could possibly want them, and be attractive enough for her to want to end the marriage? It's not just physical appearance at work. Remember status matters a lot, and I would say probably matters much much more past 30. If a woman is with a husband she has come to view as a deadbeat and she sees a chance to trade up to a guy that makes six figures.....	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/16 03:37 AM
2	Women of PPD: straight forward question: what are you angry at (in the context of the discussions on PPD)? In a cult there is a lot of social, and sometimes even physical, pressure to conform however. That is because once you join you're surrounded by other members of the cult in real life. TRP primarily exists online. Few if any people browsing TRP are surrounded by die-hard terpers in their real lives. In fact the majority of subs probably avoid mentioning their activity there to people they know IRL or may even purposely hide it. There is no exit barrier. If someone doesn't like it they can just c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/16 03:19 AM
4	CMV: The redpill isn't hated because it sells sexual strategy. It's hated because it bundles in extreme alt-right viewpoints, the same way Comcast tries to make you pay for a landline phone. Nice deflection m8.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/16 03:17 AM
1	Is the main objection to TRP based around sexual tactics? All of these political confrontations are about intentions now. The main objection to TRP is that it hates women. The "sexual strategy" is motivated by misogyny, and that is why it's bad, not whatever the actual strategy itself is or does. Keep in mind that whether or not TRP, or any other party like MRAs, actually hates women is totally irrelevant. The misogynist label is being used for its political power by people who feel threatened by these reactionary movements.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/16 11:31 PM
5	Women of PPD: straight forward question: what are you angry at (in the context of the discussions on PPD)? There are some valid criticisms of TRP but I don't think brainwashing is one of them. There is no pressure, social, physical, or otherwise, to visit the sub and engage with the materials. In fact almost all societal pressure runs in the opposite direction. The forces attempting to "brainwash" men into obedient little fourth-wave feminists are far more prevalent than the manosphere. So if you're scared about people being indoctrinated with a gender-based ideology, I think you're checking under th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/16 11:04 PM
1	Would you be satisfied to commit and sleep with only one person in your entire life? Assuming that in exchange for the commitment you actually get to have sex at least semi-regularly--no dead bedroom, cuckolding, etc.--then yes of course I would. I think many men would. 1 partner is infinitely more than zero.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/16 10:52 PM
5	CMV: The redpill isn't hated because it sells sexual strategy. It's hated because it bundles in extreme alt-right viewpoints, the same way Comcast tries to make you pay for a landline phone. lol you should ask Julien Blanc whether or not people really hate PUA	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/16 08:08 PM
9	CMV: The redpill isn't hated because it sells sexual strategy. It's hated because it bundles in extreme alt-right viewpoints, the same way Comcast tries to make you pay for a landline phone. Do you think it's fair to deny employment to people based on their political expressions? Do you think it's fair to bar people from holding speaking events or assemblies based on their political expressions? Do you think it's fair to impeach student senators based on their political expressions? Do you think it's fair for people to receive harassment and threats based on their political expressions? Because all of those are happening and all of those go beyond mere verbal disagreement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/16 08:06 PM
3	When both TRP and TBP subscribers both claim to have fulfilling love and sex lives, what do you think is happening? People have a vested interest in representing their own lived experiences as being consistent with whatever ideology they're espousing. You wouldn't expect a feminist to go around telling people how she's never been discriminated against or that she doesn't feel like she ever encounters any hostility for being a woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/16 07:30 PM
4	Is misogyny in TRP even debatable anymore? You have to distinguish between the core ideas and the people. I think the people in the sub tend to be a lot more misogynistic than the concepts they supposedly espouse. But something like hypergamy is more a reflection on human nature than anything else. They do tend to put a deliberately negative spin on it though, like "women are such bitches" for the crime of behaving in their own self-interest the same as any man does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/16 02:00 AM
2	[CMV] The only way to defeat obesity in the U.S. is to reject "fat acceptance" and treat it like smoking - ridicule, shame, and treat with contempt those who partake. Yo cheese withdrawals are a real thing? News to me O.o	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/16 01:54 AM
3	[CMV] The only way to defeat obesity in the U.S. is to reject "fat acceptance" and treat it like smoking - ridicule, shame, and treat with contempt those who partake. I don't really see how that meme is glorifying fat-ness lol. It seems to be making fun of nerds.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/16 01:52 AM
1	[CMV] The only way to defeat obesity in the U.S. is to reject "fat acceptance" and treat it like smoking - ridicule, shame, and treat with contempt those who partake. If only it were as simple as making fun of people huh? Unfortunately obesity and smoking have some very important differences between them which have nothing to do with social norms: Being obese doesn't physically affect the people around you and therefore can't justifiably be banned from public spaces. Yes sure "it hurts your eyes" or w/e but in seriousness there's not a physical harm to others as with smoking. You can't tax obesity directly like you can smoking. I mean you could just put an ex…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/16 01:49 AM
4	According to TRP, are bisexual women viable LTR material? The new manosphere line on this is that women have "fluid" sexuality so deep down they are all bisexual to some degree..... this is why bisexuality gets flagged as a "slut warning," because the woman is promiscuous enough to express her bisexual tendencies openly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/16 06:12 PM
1	CMV: A woman's attraction to a man is more important than her love towards him in order for any relationship to sustain between them. I mean, even if they're a tiny minority, female psychopaths do exist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/16 05:51 PM
1	CMV: A woman's attraction to a man is more important than her love towards him in order for any relationship to sustain between them. This is tough because you are going to have to define "attraction" and "love" and inevitably there will be some overlaps between the terms. Someone could easily argue that love is just sustained attraction over time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/16 05:51 PM
2	CMV: Nice guys don't finish last. Weak and boring guys do. That just means "nice" means something else to you than it does to most people in a dating context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/16 03:27 PM
11	CMV: Nice guys don't finish last. Weak and boring guys do. This is just playing semantics. Nice, boring and weak are all synonyms in the context of dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/03/16 03:33 AM
2	Why I believe guys who want to get laid and have sex with lots of different women should actually avoid the red pill. I don't agree that just being around women is enough. I mean sure if you have no opportunities to even talk to or meet females then you can't even get off the ground, that is true, but it's very possible and I would argue not even all that unusual for some men to be surrounded by women and still be sexless. I am one of those men. Another guy I know is as well and he's actually got it even worse than me as he's a full on virgin. Both of us are in programs of study that are over 60% female. In add…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 10:13 PM
2	Male promiscuity and infidelity: Turns out, male sluts are just as bad. Those are women getting attention despite their behavior, not because of it. I promise you the majority of men, if they could have the exact woman either as a stripper, or not as a stripper, they would choose the latter. But many men are horny enough that they'll go for a very attractive woman anyways; the attractiveness outweighs the promiscuous behavior. This is why it's easy for women to be promiscuous in the first place. Sure there are probably some men that legitimately don't care if a woma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 09:44 PM
5	How does observing anything toxic about the main redpill subreddit count as trolling by the bluepill? That's a matter of semantics. I could easily make the same claim about central points of feminism, BLM, conservative views on poverty, w/e. Every political view points the finger at one group or another.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 09:41 PM
8	How does observing anything toxic about the main redpill subreddit count as trolling by the bluepill? This is pretty typical feminist-style narrative framing. No one is "locking" anyone in TRP sub. People only visit there voluntarily. Blaming the ideas is denying individual agency. Individuals can choose for themselves whether or not they subscribe to things like TRP. Me for example, I believe some of the observations about modern sexual dynamics have some truth to them, but in other aspects I think they go too far, generalize too much, or are just plain wrong. What's really naive is to take som…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 06:16 PM
8	How does observing anything toxic about the main redpill subreddit count as trolling by the bluepill? Do you have a specific point here other than that there are toxic/hateful elements in TRP? Because the same can be said about just about any social movement or ideology. It's just as easy to find repulsive individuals in feminism or social justice circles. Focusing on them really just amounts to an ad hominem attack against the ideology itself. It doesn't do anyone any good. You should discuss the merits of the actual ideas instead of attacking its adherents on a personal level.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 05:32 PM
4	CMV:Red Pill tactics work for one night stands, fail for everything else The problem with this type of info is it's all self-reported survey data. There is a huge social desirability bias when you ask questions about sex and dating. There's no way to tell how consistent the respondents' real-life behavior is with what they say they prefer in the abstract.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 05:25 PM
1	The false dichotomy between 'Alpha' and 'Beta' males Not sure what this discussion is supposed to be about, but I stopped paying attention when the article started to base its discussion on Roosh and PUA. That is a separate line of "manosphere" from TRP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 05:21 PM
1	Male promiscuity and infidelity: Turns out, male sluts are just as bad. Society has decided that men who sleep with a bunch of women are better than women who sleep with a bunch of men. It's more desirable to men that women be virgins than vice versa, and it's more desirable to women that men be sexually experienced than vice versa. If these things weren't inherently more/less desirable depending on sex, they wouldn't be valued the way that they are by the culture. You can try to argue using morality all you want but at the end of the day, the evidence supports the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 05:17 PM
10	Male promiscuity and infidelity: Turns out, male sluts are just as bad. Intellectually it might not make sense, but it's simply borne out by the realities in our culture. Virginity is considered more attractive in women and virility in men, to the point that being a male virgin is often an actively unattractive trait, and likewise with females who are promiscuous. This is one case where TRP "listen to what they do, not what they say" holds true. I don't try to justify logically that men who sleep with more women are better than women who sleep with more men. I just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 05:14 PM
1	Male virginity; a red flag, female pre-selection, or both? Only if he was trying to establish a relationship every time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 04:04 PM
1	Male virginity; a red flag, female pre-selection, or both? The evidence confirms it. Just go and look up statistics on what % of the population are still virgins by age 21.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 04:31 AM
4	Male virginity; a red flag, female pre-selection, or both? It would be more accurate to say the first guy has 100 letters of recommendation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 04:28 AM
1	Question for both pills: Do you believe there is a healthy level of jealousy needed in a relationship? Every relationship is different, it's hard to generalize to emotional needs in an LTR. Some relationships may function better with a certain amount of "dread game" as RP puts it, as I do believe that if a man becomes too servile or is no longer perceived as being attractive to other women, that can quickly lead to the woman beginning to think of him as boring or low-value and becoming unhappy. However again it has to be emphasized that everyone is different and this will be true or not true to v…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/16 04:24 AM
5	What policy or legal changes need to occur in your country to reflect the new reality about how people regard marriage and childbirth? Alimony is outdated and needs to go. Unfortunately, feminism has only gotten worse in proportion to the nose-diving of marriage statistics, so I doubt anything will be changed anytime soon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/16 09:18 PM
2	Dating a cougar: most progressive decision of my life. Lol cocaine I think a lot of guys would gladly take this option if it were presented to them, it's just that very few women are still "pretty and high-energy" by 49. You basically won the lottery.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/16 01:25 AM
2	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? Replacing blame with fault doesn't actually change the meaning of my above comment, as blame in this context gets used I meant to lump blame and fault together as the same thing by using the conjunction "and" between them. Talking about blame and fault is in fact "debating semantics that don't affect the actual debate," unless someone is seriously arguing that a rapist is not at fault/not to blame, which no one ever said. But people don't agree that rapes are caused solely by rapists: this is wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/16 01:22 AM
3	If you had to answer "yes" or "no," how would you answer the question of whether marriage is a good for men? Depends on what kind of society you're in. In modern western societies, no, it's generally not good for men (the minority who are able to have a permanent and relatively stable marriage it may be good for, but you can never know that's what you're going to get before taking the plunge, so I'd say the risk outweighs the reward in most cases).	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 09:35 PM
1	Is prostitution good for male self improvement, or is it beneficial to men? I think it has to be beneficial to some degree or else it wouldn't exist. Obviously it's not for every man, but a significant portion of the population clearly sees it to be in their interests (both male johns and female sex workers).	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 09:33 PM
3	Is prostitution good for male self improvement, or is it beneficial to men? Women would say that when asked since it's much more socially desirable. In reality most adult women would never knowingly date a virgin.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 09:32 PM
2	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? Except that we're on an obscure internet board of less than 10k subscribers which explicitly pulls members from a "manosphere" space and which gives its members relative anonymity. The views expressed on this sub are not at all accurate reflections of the typical views that you would encounter on these subjects in the real world. Even many terpers, MGTOW etc. wouldn't say these things in real life because it isn't worth the social sanctions that would be imposed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 09:30 PM
1	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? That's great on paper, but in practice that logic is never applied consistently. A man that is born short, ugly and socially awkward didn't choose that, but feminists typically have no sympathy for incels and push the narrative that it's always the man's fault if he's single and can't pull women. By extension, the problem is that even if you actually apply this reasoning consistently (which again, no one does that I've ever seen), the logical end point is a total eradication of the concept of pe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 09:27 PM
1	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? Because this is just 100% false, not only does almost everyone in third and second world countries believe that, many people in the "modern west" do as well, like myself and many others I know; particularly many from TRP. You do realize TRP and other "manosphere" people are fringe elements that are immediately ridiculed and condemned (rightfully so in some cases) by the rest of society on the rare occasion that it actually notices them? And even many manosphere types don't try to directly justif…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 09:20 PM
2	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? You're conflating blame and fault with prevention approaches. Nowhere did I use the word "blame." I'm not talking about moral culpability, I'm talking about what can realistically be done to reduce harm. For some reason you seem much more concerned with the former even though everyone already agrees that rapes are caused by rapists. Telling people not to rape is such an absurd "solution" it's not even funny. Should we stick young black men in classes to teach how not to murder? Do you think that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 07:23 PM
2	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? No it doesn't. Those lines are parodies at this point. Maybe a couple decades ago people thought it was okay to imply that women get raped because they wear low cut dresses. Not now. The fact that people like you constantly parrot the "you shouldn't have been dressed like that" line is proof that it's become a tired and outdated trope that everyone is aware of by now. In reality, people do question rape victims, but not using such absurd and stereotypical bull shit, and not for reasons so ridicu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 07:17 PM
2	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? Did you read? I specifically said modern western society. Bringing up backwards cultures is hilarious and ironic because the same feminists who claim that rape is enabled in western societies often make excuses and act apologetic towards sex crimes committed by those from such regressive cultures because "it's just what they've been taught they don't know any better." Which of course somehow magically doesn't apply to white rapists despite the constant feminist claims of a pervasive "rape cultur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 07:13 PM
3	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? Well there is some truth to this but I don't think it should extend as far as rape. I would say something more along the lines of, if you present yourself as a slut (accepting drinks from guys, flirting a lot, etc.), don't be surprised if you're constantly hit on. That's pretty justified imo, for a guy to make a pass at a girl when she's acting like that. But physically forcing himself on her is still pretty clearly wrong and I think the vast majority of guys know that. It's not a hard concept.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 07:09 PM
1	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? This is another ridiculous feminist myth. No one has sympathy for rapists. This is by far the most reviled crime and the one that society (modern western society at least) is the least forgiving of--if this weren't the case then we wouldn't see colleges switching to a guilty until proven innocent standard, media outlets printing blatantly false allegations with no fact-checking, etc. Nothing even remotely like that is done for any other crime. I've literally never seen or heard anyone say that a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 06:19 PM
1	CMV: Due to Occam's razor, it is better for women to ignore feminist ideas while in a romantic relationship. The premise here is true, but it would be even more accurate to say that women should ignore feminist ideas period, in any context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 06:00 PM
4	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? That's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm talking about the new feminist line that the best way to approach rape is for men not to rape and that women shouldn't take any precautions. The fact that anyone thinks this is a productive approach I think serves as strong evidence towards the increasingly cult-like nature of modern feminist cliques.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 05:54 PM
5	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? The Syrian migrant actually can't be blamed for his actions, and it's the woman's responsibility to allow it to happen. Being Muslim trumps being female in the oppression hierarchy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 04:13 PM
4	Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped? This logic is so monumentally stupid I can't believe the extent to which it still proliferates. This is one of the big strikes that makes modern feminism so cancerous IMO. Yes in an ideal world men wouldn't commit any rapes. And no one would steal, murder, be poor, etc. None of those things can be realistically addressed by just saying "But this is how it SHOULD be!" over and over.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 04:12 PM
1	Male incel is still worse than "female incel" For people to stop pretending men don't have it worse, to stop saying BS like "But women have it just as bad!" Not in this respect, no they don't. I don't think physical action needs to be taken, I just don't like the pervasive lying and dishonesty with respect to how men don't have any unique challenges and women always have it worse in every avenue of life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 05:07 AM
1	Male incel is still worse than "female incel" lol easy for someone that's no longer incel to say. It's not about the actual experience, it's about social validation. I would easily argue the quality of the sex matters not at all (unless it's actually so bad that people start talking about it or something, which I've never seen, even in encounters that I know for a fact were embarrassing for the two parties). But yeah, society perceives adult virgin men as being of inherently lesser worth than other men. It probably shouldn't, but as long as…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 05:03 AM
1	Male incel is still worse than "female incel" lol really? You're saying men have to go to an online forum specifically dedicated to relationship help to get any sympathy, and you somehow think that isn't evidence that there's little sympathy out there for them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 05:00 AM
1	Listen up FA Guy! Women have a different metric for sexual success. I don't disagree, but since we're talking about FA and not other problems like financial issues, that's what I chose to focus on. Although financial troubles and relationship troubles go hand in hand for men which is part of why losing your job makes you less attractive. One issue for men in the "modern" economy is that expectations of men's earning power hasn't caught up with the reality of the post-2008 economy yet. This is often cited as a reason for declining marriage rates; even if you have…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/03/16 04:47 AM
3	Would you date a transsexual? Hell no. Even post-op, the reality is that they are not a woman, they are a man with mutilated genitals and a lot of medication. SJWs can whine all they want but it doesn't change the biological reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 11:47 PM
1	Alphas, Chads and RP Men: Do you fuck women you aren't attracted to? I doubt there are very many true "Chads" on this sub. When I think of Chad, odds are he doesn't even know what reddit is, much less use a small and obscure sub like this one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 11:42 PM
1	"Playing the victim" --The problem with the victimhood narrative is that it implies a lack of agency on the part of those being named as victims. They cannot change how they feel or how they are affected by certain behaviors; the onus is entirely on the men to alter their behavior in order to make women feel better. It paints things in a light of "predator" vs "victim" and assumes that men are inherently the former while women inherently the latter. This is such a gross distortion of reality it's honestly kind of si…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 11:37 PM
6	Listen up FA Guy! Women have a different metric for sexual success. A lot of men are borderline FA. One snafu, like losing a job or a bout of depression, and they could easily go full FA. "Mediocre" men under 30 have trouble consistently getting dates and relationships. Many women now prefer to stay single rather than date someone who is below their expectations. They only begin to settle when they get old enough that they no longer have a choice if they want to make a go at having a family.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 11:32 PM
2	Dual incomes should be a choice, not a must. Well yes, that is another way to look at it. The problem is that I don't feel that I can sacrifice my work on my career and still support myself, much less a whole family. Quitting work in the event that I have kids isn't an option, but I also don't want to have kids only to leave them to be mostly raised by child-care services. It's kind of a catch-22. The only sensible option is to forego children IMO.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 05:00 PM
1	How can a man determine if a woman is in his league? Well we have to work out what the assumptions are here. For instance, are there any girls that the guy wants and that are actually within his league? If not then that is where my statement comes in, that it's a waste to chase something you can't have, no matter how much you might want it. In dating and sex it's likely to be particularly depressing to the guy when he finally has to face the fact that it's not going to happen for him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 04:51 AM
3	What do you think of Machiavellian maxim "Love doesn’t conquer psychopathy"? If someone is an actual clinical psychopath, sure, by definition you're not going to be able to change that, especially not with some waffly fairy tale "power of love" bullshit. The trick is figuring out whether or not someone actually is a real psychopath--or if they've got some other disorder, or if you're just projecting, or etc. Mental conditions are tricky.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 04:05 AM
11	Dual incomes should be a choice, not a must. The sad fact of the matter is most can't support a family on one income. This has nothing to do with work culture and everything to do with wage stagnation, cost of living, and rising inequality more generally. Everyone sans maybe billionaires would prefer for these trends to reverse, for plenty of reasons beyond just allowing parents to stay at home again. This is another reason I won't have kids, I won't choose between career and child-rearing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 04:02 AM
1	How can a man determine if a woman is in his league? That's a black and white fallacy. You assume that women are either "what you want" or "what you don't want" with nothing in between. In reality, a guy might prefer a swimsuit model or a celebrity singer to a plain girl who is not particularly pretty but not obese or anything either..... but he can't get the former, and he would still prefer the latter to being totally alone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 03:59 AM
1	Study: Single Women Are Ruder To Less Attractive Guys After Being Rejected By Attractive Ones Oh sure. You can never apply a generalization as an absolute rule to every instance. That has nothing to do with what I said (which was just acknowledgment of and surprise at the existence of real evidence that is consistent with TRP's narratives). Nor would I deny that TRP is often bitter as well. No one has a problem with the idea that men are embittered by rejection, but women? Say that and you'll be branded as a misogynist, MRA, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 03:56 AM
3	How can a man determine if a woman is in his league? No it isn't. It's a waste of time and emotional energy. I guess it's a lot easier for a woman to take this point of view. For men, it's frustrating at best, degrading at worst.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 02:26 AM
2	How can a man determine if a woman is in his league? At 25 and under most women are out of the league of most men, so there's not much you can do. If you're unattractive as a male, it's often fatties or bust. The BP narrative of "they're out of your league" is misidentifying the issue. Yes, he is technically going for girls that are out of his league, but that doesn't mention that literally probably 8-9 of every 10 girls is out of his league. There's not much of a choice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 02:26 AM
1	Study: Single Women Are Ruder To Less Attractive Guys After Being Rejected By Attractive Ones Sure? That just makes it even more RP if anything, women becoming bitter when Chad doesn't have time for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 02:23 AM
2	Q4RP: Did you have any wakeup calls prior to finding TRP? Oh sure. I had my suspicions about women's "real" preferences in their sexual partners based purely on my own observations already. What changed when I found TRP is I found that I wasn't alone in thinking these things. Anyone I mentioned TRP-ish ideas to IRL looked at me like I was crazy. "Girls totally like short guys! What are you talking about!"--Girl who has never had a boyfriend shorter than six foot	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/16 12:06 AM
10	[CMV] Blue pillers associate "bad" with "red pill" without even knowing what red pill ideas are I don't think they fail to understand RP ideas, they just don't like what it implies about women, aka that they're real people who often behave selfishly. Many people, BP or otherwise, flat out refuse to accept that women would often choose a high status, highly attractive male who's also a jackass over a low-status, unattractive guy who is kind, loyal, understanding, etc., who is actually a decent person based on character.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 11:27 PM
0	There's a silver lining for men having to work harder in the dating world. The difference is one can be fixed through personal effort, the other can't. A woman can decide for herself to be less shy and initiate more and no one will stop her. However, guys having to work so much harder isn't something that they can change. It's an inherent bias determined by the way other people (namely women) perceive you, not by your own behavior patterns.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 11:20 PM
3	(Q4RP) What does RP think of lesbians, bisexuals, and other queer women? I would suspect that a large portion of RP will take the increasingly common view that there are very few "real" lesbians and that most women simply have "more malleable" sexuality--that a lot of women become "lesbians" because they have bad experiences with hetero relationships, but really, if they could land a satisfactory male partner, they wouldn't have ended up identifying as gay.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 07:12 PM
1	Study: Single Women Are Ruder To Less Attractive Guys After Being Rejected By Attractive Ones Well yeah, it doesn't match up exactly with red pill stuff, but the bit about women being cruel towards men who are unattractive, for any reason at all, is very unprecedented. I've never seen that laid out as a conclusion of a real scientific study before, ever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 07:06 PM
1	Study: Single Women Are Ruder To Less Attractive Guys After Being Rejected By Attractive Ones Wow this is like red pill theory laid out in actual social science. Spooky.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 06:45 PM
3	Why do ForeverAlone men fail with women: bad luck or lack of effort? That is something that I definitely could work on. My problem is I'm terrified to touch a girl in any way for fear that it will be unwanted or perceived as "sexually aggressive," get me labeled as "creepy," etc. I'm also quite unwilling to ask women to hang out at my place as I fear that it will be seen as too forward and as a euphemism for soliciting sex. I do think I need to find some way to do these things however, since at the end of the day, the girl is usually not going to do them even tho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 06:42 PM
1	Why do ForeverAlone men fail with women: bad luck or lack of effort? Oh, yeah we're in basically the same boat then. I try to focus on how much better I still have it than a lot of people, and be content with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 03:40 PM
3	Is this common ground between Feminist and MRM? I classify myself as purple because there are specific things that I agree with and disagree with on both sides. Red pill is different from MRM though. I'm in almost total agreement with MRAs that are policy-minded and focus on real and measurable grievances, or on culture shifts in society more broadly. There is definitely a petty woman-hating breed of MRAs that I would never identify with for the same reason that man-hating feminists are abhorrent to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 02:49 AM
2	Why do ForeverAlone men fail with women: bad luck or lack of effort? Can't let rejection hit your confidence m8, or you're well and truly fucked. I can at least get women to spend time with me one-on-one once or twice pretty consistently. I'm happy enough with that given how much of an incel I was at one point in my life, and how fucked I think the dating market is now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 02:47 AM
2	Why do ForeverAlone men fail with women: bad luck or lack of effort? Do you have a job? I'm in grad school with a research assistantship. Probably not as good as a high-paying "real" job but I think better than guys who are doing shit jobs in retail or some such. Have you been making friends? I'm good friends with over half my class and still manage to have a few outside of it. Do you go to social events at least several times a week? This past week was spring break for me. I had dinner with a girl, walked around the city at night, made dinner with a different gi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 02:44 AM
6	Do you think that Sean Connery is right about female sexuality/attraction? Male purple. I think he is right generally speaking, but it's not an absolute principle that you can apply to all women universally. People vary. Still, there's no denying that, as a general trend, women are more attracted by self-assurance and decisiveness than are men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/16 12:27 AM
0	Who else observes the "No downvoting" rule? I'm not a tattle-tale. Sorry m8	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 09:57 PM
1	CMV: The idea that promiscuity doesn't hurt anyone is a delusion. Yeah I'd rather get rejected up front than go through a lot of bullshit only to find myself friend zoned.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 08:52 PM
0	Who else observes the "No downvoting" rule? I barely even upvote. I remember downvoting only once, because the person was using personal insults and ad hominem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 08:45 PM
1	Men are not raised properly Are you literally arguing that females who are "not social"--shy, not outgoing, etc.--have it harder than men with the same qualities? Surely I read that wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 04:24 PM
1	Men are not raised properly What, are you talking about FtM transgender people? I don't see what you mean by "without typical female minds." If you're suggesting that women are being punished for not pursuing traditional female careers and roles such as teacher/nurse/housewife/etc., I think you're full of shit. There is an entire freaking industry dedicated to encouraging women to do things and be things that aren't traditionally feminine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 04:16 PM
1	Have you ever flirted with someone who was completely oblivious to it? Were you ever completely oblivious to someone flirting with you? Have you ever flirted with someone who was completely oblivious to it? Hard to say since it's hard to know if someone is oblivious or not without directly asking them. Were you ever completely oblivious to someone flirting with you? No. Have you ever been accused of flirting when you were only being friendly? Dear lord yes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 04:02 PM
4	CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life. Yeah, everyone matching up with their own type sounds great on paper. In reality, during early 20's, most girls will stay single before they will date a 5'2" "manlet," even many girls of sub-par attractiveness. Short guys do have a hard time in clubs, probably more than they do in the relationship market--but they are also largely screwed in the relationship market. If you just mean total number of times a person has had sex, sure, that could vary by a lot. One long relationship, or a relationsh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 12:33 PM
2	CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life. Well, I did forget to include the fat girls exception I suppose, so fair point on that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 12:29 PM
2	How much do our genders dictate who we are? How much SHOULD our genders dictate who we are? Gender is so huge it's hard to even think about how much your life would be different if you were born as the opposite sex. I've mostly been lonely my entire life and I've only had one relationship--I know for a fact that if I was born female, my opportunities to date and be in relationships would be completely reversed, as I'm naturally extremely skinny. I might not have gone to graduate school in favor of trying to start a family, there's no telling really how much my life would be changed by …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 06:37 AM
1	How much do our genders dictate who we are? How much SHOULD our genders dictate who we are? Wow those are shit "advantages" to being male: Looks aren't counted as much You've got this one backwards. You have to be much farther above average as a man to be desirable to the opposite sex than you do as a woman. Women, generally speaking, simply have to not be fat. higher pay in general Not true. Well, technically true in that men generally have higher incomes, but "more money" isn't something that you just get for free courtesy of having a dick, as feminists would have you believe. Men ea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 06:34 AM
4	CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life. LTRs should drive average partner count down, not up. The only way LTRs increase it is if you're getting zero sex otherwise (which to be fair is true for some people). I would say maybe a dozen guys? That I had intimate knowledge of. I was in a pretty big social circle where it was always known what people were getting up to. I can only think of one guy that I knew that had a double digit partner count. The average was probably one per year. The highest by far that I knew of actually was a girl …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 06:23 AM
2	CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life. Yeah that is fair enough, if you only kissed a girl once and never did anything else, never had a GF, that's still pretty much incel. Your experience pretty much matches up with mine. I only knew one or two guys that were full-on virgins, but a lot that were damn close.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 06:17 AM
7	CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life. 5'2" on average 8-9 sexual partners? Not if they're under 30. I flatly call bullshit on that. I have barely known guys of any height with that many. The gap between that and my real world experience is just too huge for me to accept that. Perhaps it's accounting for social circles that I've never moved in, such as working class people that never went to college or dropped out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 04:05 AM
1	CMV: People believe what they want to believe. In the short term you are right. You will never really see a situation where two people have an argument, or even just a good-natured discussion with opposing points of view, and at the end one person just gets up and declares "Okay, you have officially changed my mind, you win sir!" In the long term people can and do change their minds, and being confronted with conflicting points of view is obviously necessary in order for this to happen. I speak from personal experience; many years ago, I was…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 03:59 AM
1	CMV: People believe what they want to believe. That's a pretty flawed view. That's like saying "money isn't important because some people are rich and still unhappy." Doesn't change that people generally desire more money rather than less and rightfully so. Same with sex. Or do you really think guys with GFs, guys that can get laid in bars, etc., have just as high a rate of depression and anxiety as incels and neckbeards?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 03:55 AM
1	How I escaped the path of being an incel Approaching with confidence or w/e doesn't really mean anything--have you been able to actually get laid now? I'm assuming the answer is yes, but I want to clarify and make sure. I don't feel any anxiety around women, no trouble talking to them, etc.--but I still don't get laid. I think if I lived in close proximity to a place like Hong Kong it's much more likely I might do this at a young age like you did. As it stands I don't have the financial resources and can't afford to spend even a week j…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 03:48 AM
6	CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life. It sounds like you're basically saying it comes down to random chance as to who gets a chance with a girl and who doesn't. It does, but not in the way you're thinking of. The problem with your narrative is that we know, beyond any doubts, that men with different physical traits do not have equal success rates with women. We know that taller men do better, men with broader shoulders and stronger jawlines do better, etc. It's not random who gets noticed by girls and who doesn't. Now it is random, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 03:46 AM
1	How I escaped the path of being an incel Interesting approach. I have thought about this type of thing myself, but I think I would more likely do it if I'm a bit older and having no luck at all romantically, I might just say fuck it and go do something like this because I have nothing to lose. But the real question, did your success with women state-side improve afterwards?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 02:46 AM
3	What are you effectively doing in your world to have better relationships? Are you practicing empathy? I want to. It's hard because now I'm on the lookout for SJW/feminist mindsets and behaviors. I have no empathy for people who practice that, because they don't have any for me. Are you really trying to understand the opposite sex and respect it? I guess? To the extent that it can reasonably be done, yes, I want to understand and respect women. However, what one woman considers respect, another might find offensive. Some people get upset about shit that they really hav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 02:38 AM
6	CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life. No they don't, not among youth. Older, middle aged people I'm much more willing to believe that they have partners even if they are unattractive. People have to start settling by that age. Guys that are in their 20's now and they are 5'2" or 300 lbs? Forget it. I've seen literally one guy ever with one of those traits who went on to have any girlfriends at all (and it was only one, and not a very long-lasting or high-quality relationship).	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 02:14 AM
4	CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life. Ooooooh hookers and blow. Link?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 02:12 AM
8	CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life. Disagree. Why do incels miss out on the butterfly stage or w/e you want to call it?--Because girls won't go out with them, which happens because they are: A. physically unattractive, B. socially awkward, or C. (most likely) both. You are probably right about this effect, as the evidence does show that the longer you go without losing your virginity, the less likely it is that you will ever drop that v-card. However, the reason why the negative feedback loop begins in the first place does still c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 02:10 AM
2	Does the stigma men have to seem more sexually experienced hide the existence of more incels than we think? http://www.livescience.com/7038-men-report-sex-partners-women.html From as far back as 2006. This is really just the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure you could find the official academic work on google scholar or some such if you were so inclined.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/16 12:04 AM
1	The guys on TRP don't actually do that well in terms of "getting around" and guys who want to sleep around should stay off TRP, here is why I think so. I think you are basically right. While I agree with much of the sentiment of TRP regarding the fucked up status of gender relations currently, and I do think the mindset is probably more likely to get you laid than the alternatives (such as, say, being a male feminist -__-), where I disagree is in the idea that doing any of this stuff will significantly improve your odds. I think the effect will probably be quite small, if anything. I am more in line with MGTOW I suppose, in the sense that I bel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 10:20 PM
3	maybe the progressive alienation between men and women isn't that bad if sexbots will be a thing I mean, I guess it's better than being incel. But I'd still prefer to have real relationship prospects to either one (sexbot user or incel) -__- Even if this is invented within our lifetimes, I don't think its use will become widespread and socially accepted. That will take another generation if not multiple, the stigma of being a pervert will be way too strong among the current generation. Most men will avoid using it, only the absolute loneliest and most desperate with literally no social cred…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 10:07 PM
0	CMV: Most BPs who actually wanted to hold a rational debate have left PPD, and the ones who stuck around are those who want to constantly insult TRP without offering any intellectual content. I was on this sub about a year ago and just now started browsing it again. I'm actually seeing way less nastiness and petty bickering now than when I was on here last year. There probably are some BPers who aren't interested in honest discussion but I think there are likely to be RPers for whom the same is true. There are always some people who simply won't budge in ideological confrontations, it's not really fair to act like it's all coming from just one side.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 10:05 PM
1	Is nerdiness or being a nerd a sexual turn off for women? Not necessarily for all women, but in general, yes it is a turn off and anyone saying it isn't is naive/delusional. Women don't want to date men that they perceive as nerds.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 10:01 PM
5	Does the stigma men have to seem more sexually experienced hide the existence of more incels than we think? I thought it was pretty well known. There have been studies showing that men will over-report their partner count while women under-report. In the past men may have been more promiscuous than women, but in the surveys I've seen now partner counts are pretty similar between the two. I wouldn't be surprised if women were actually more promiscuous, especially in their twenties--just because they have such ease of access to sex. If a young woman wants to get laid she always can; for a large cut of y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 09:59 PM
1	RP men: what do you have to offer? A partner who isn't just your personal attendant. Don't get me wrong I know that some women do basically want a personal attendant boyfriend, I've seen first hand the relationships where if she says jump, he says how high. But I have to imagine also that some women don't want a boyfriend who molds his entire identity around his relationship with her. I know from my own experience as a male, I didn't like having a girlfriend who was that way towards me, and I would think that it would be even les…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 08:45 PM
1	Q4RP: Can you be "just friends" with an attractive member of the opposite sex? I would say it is possible, but very rare, and not something you should actively strive for as 99/100 you're wasting your energy. I'm basing this on personal experience. I have had a couple of girls that made an effort to hang out with me and talk to me, yet who I knew for a fact were not romantically interested in me. I was fine hanging out with them and just talking even though they were attractive and we were both single. My judgment told me that if I made a move it would fail, ruin the frien…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 05:09 AM
2	CMV: The philosophy of "she's not yours it's just your turn" teaches men not to be jealous, controlling or needy but to set healthy boundaries of acceptable behavior At least you're living in reality though. You'll be way better off when the breakup inevitably comes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 05:00 AM
2	CMV: There is a giant gap between what women think they are attracted to or say they are, and what actually happens. Except that marriage rates have tanked to such an extent that over 50% of Americans are single now. How would that be possible if every guy that wanted to be in a relationship could find a girl willing to be in one with him? Or do you really think over 50% of the men aren't interested in relationships with women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 04:58 AM
1	CMV: There is a giant gap between what women think they are attracted to or say they are, and what actually happens. "Open to dating short guys" is almost always a lie. Couples where the female is taller are a hilariously small statistical anomaly. The bald-faced denial of reality people exhibit towards this, guys and girls both, is absolutely incredible to me. This is one area where the numbers actually are crystal-clear. I haven't even met any girls under 30 that ever actually said they preferred a "gentlemen." I've observed the opposite if anything. I've talked to multiple girls who quite openly admitted th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 04:51 AM
2	As a younger guy, I sometimes worry that as I get older a lot of the good looking women will be gone from the market. Older guys, what has your experience with this been? The thing about all those people getting "locked down" in their twenties is they probably will break up with/divorce that person before or during their thirties. So I wouldn't assume that someone getting into an LTR, or even getting married, actually permanently removes them from the dating pool.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 04:41 AM
1	Is leadership an attractive quality in women? I think it's still attractive in women, just much less so than it is in men. The fact is that men and women have very different priorities in what attracts them, and women are much more attracted to power and status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/16 04:39 AM
6	[FR] Went out for St. Patty's Day parade, picked up a girl but she was too drunk. Could use some insight. That's good that you didn't try to do anything while she was blackout drunk, respectable. I don't think there is anything you can do now, or anything you should have done different. Once you send that text the ball is in her court. It's quite possible that her eagerness to bone while she was blasted out of her mind isn't still there when she's sober, so you might be SOL. I wouldn't bother texting her any further if she doesn't respond, if she is interested she will get back to you on her own. Ju…	/r/seduction	13/03/16 09:27 PM
-1	44% of American adults will suffer from obesity by 2030 Overweight men are effectively invisible in the SMP and barred from participation, but women can still participate, they just may have to accept a lower quality, but usually overweight women do still have some options. Hence, the pool of viable men will shrink faster for men than it will for women. Women have to be overweight by a much larger amount before they get excluded from the SMP, most men are in trouble if they're even slightly overweight. If this is true, we can expect things to improve…	/r/TheRedPill	07/11/15 03:53 AM
3	Mandatory "Not Anymore" Survey for College-- Required to Complete before Registering Had to do mandatory online "awareness training" for sexual assault before I could sign up this semester as well. Annoying to waste an hour of my time answering BS like "is it appropriate to grab a girl's butt at a party--No or No." At least they sort of tried to be gender neutral with it, there was a question about what a male student should do if a female professor is coming on to him.	/r/TheRedPill	09/10/15 01:58 AM
-1	Men who "took the red pill" : have you ever tried being genuinely respectful toward women ? lmao are you just scrolling through old threads looking for random shit to call out?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/15 11:46 PM
1	"The Wild Oats Project: One Woman's Midlife Quest for Passion at Any Cost" Jeez I would be pissed at my wife for even suggesting this, forget about agreeing to it. If she feels the need to do this then it's probably just time for a divorce IMO. Of course I'm also the type who's not likely to ever be married in the first place, so meh.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/15 06:30 PM
2	Women want the benefits not the responsibilities - Tom Leykis, taking you out old school Yea I learned the hard way when I made fun of the "10 hrs walking in manhattan" video and got female friends messaging me on facebook demanding that I apologize and shit. One girl literally said "I'm not stopping until you say I'm right." I did NOT know what I was stepping in, now I keep that shit to places like this which are anonymous......	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/03/15 01:59 AM
8	Beating "the wall" You said it yourself, she's the exception not the rule. This is the same fallacy as people trying to debunk AWALT. Of course not literally all women substantially decline in attractiveness by age 30. But most do. Hence, The Wall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/15 05:45 PM
2	Women want the benefits not the responsibilities - Tom Leykis, taking you out old school Shit I would love to be able to have "intellectual conversations in the social sciences" with my wife/partner. The problem in my experience is that women aren't interested in actually doing that. They are interested in being right and you being wrong, and if you don't quickly agree with everything they say, they become upset and it becomes a problem. That is the shit I don't want to come home to. You can't legitimately sit down, present opposing views, and then move on to another topic while mai…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/15 03:51 PM
0	Aren't the incel/forever alones the true "outliers"? How does TRP account for all the "averages"? Chicks being willing to hang out with you one on one and have sex with you without committing to a monogamous relationship. If you are in a relationship, I would define "success" as being able to continue the lifestyle you had before the relationship without having to make major adjustments to accommodate your GF, and her being okay with it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/15 02:42 PM
5	Aren't the incel/forever alones the true "outliers"? How does TRP account for all the "averages"? Depends how you define "success with women." How TRP defines it and how the average chump defines it are likely to be quite different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/15 02:02 AM
11	Where's the outrage? This was just published in The WSJ. A major and widely respected national newspaper. What outrage? It's praising women. You would dare question the positive qualities of the feminine species? Oh you misogynistic shitlord!	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/15 07:27 PM
0	Why aren't men allowed to self-identify as nice-guys? This is an absolutely horrible analogy - those who advocate for the rights of transexuals are simply looking to protect them from discrimination in employment, etc. And yes, get them to be treated a little less shittily in society. But it's ok to treat guys like shit for being rejected by women (i.e. for being unattractive, aka characteristics they were born with)?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/15 06:10 AM
2	Why aren't men allowed to self-identify as nice-guys? I mean, I don't think most women need to vilify a man in order to "justify" rejecting them, considering that rejection is not something that needs to be justified. Sure. But you must agree that women (or a certain segment of them, at least) have vilified the stereotypical beta/"nice guy." He just wants sex, he's not really nice, he's acting entitled, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/15 06:07 AM
2	Why aren't men allowed to self-identify as nice-guys? There's nothing wrong with just rejecting someone you aren't attracted to. The point at issue is that women often go farther than that; they mock, shame, ridicule, etc. these "nice guys" to justify their lack of attraction to them. If the guys they reject are shitty people, then they don't feel bad about rejecting them. If the guys they reject are decent people that they're just not attracted to, that implies that they are shallow in their mating preferences and creates cognitive dissonance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/15 06:05 AM
4	Why aren't men allowed to self-identify as nice-guys? Your comparison is perfect. Women would much rather that betas identify as women than as male, "nice" or otherwise. Remember, women basically see betas as other women (if they see them at all). There have been topics about this both on TRP and this sub, and I've heard women say these things personally as well. "He might as well have a vagina," and the like. Women don't want you to be a "nice guy" because then they have to justify their rejection of you despite the fact that you probably have no …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/15 10:14 PM
14	Why aren't men allowed to self-identify as nice-guys? Somehow I don't think you have a good answer to his question.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/15 10:09 PM
3	What's Is The Actual Statistics to Support the Rape Scare in America? Yay, we taught the rapists not to rape as much! Now we just have to keep reminding our boys every now or else girls will start getting raped again. Silly boys, you know how hard it is for them to know right from wrong!	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/15 09:43 PM
6	What's Is The Actual Statistics to Support the Rape Scare in America? The main scare, afaik, is on college campuses where feminists have hilariously inflated the numbers to support their agenda. For example the ever cited "1 in 4" statistic. An example of how you get to such a ridiculously high figure, do a survey where women are asked if they ever "experienced any form of unwanted touching or contact" while in college, then call that "sexual assault" and suddenly you have the idea that 1 in 4 women are having to fight off rapists while they're on campus. It's rid…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/15 04:05 PM
9	If "sexism" by definition equals wrong, then why do many TRP's categorically embrace this label? Love that even the dictionary definition of the word "sexism" throws in "typically against women." As if we needed more proof that the idea of women as perpetual victims is ingrained in our culture.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/15 03:17 AM
2	Red Pill Flaw? No valuable long term game with women (26/M) Yea you're wanting to have your cake and eat it too, sadly this is just not likely to work out in reality. This is why it's called "spinning plates," plural, you have more than one of them because you can't keep the casual hook-up thing going forever with the same girl, eventually she will want commitment and move on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/15 03:02 AM
6	Is Denying your Wife of a Male-Female-Male threesome wrong, selfish, or cruel? Now, I'm no BPer, and I rarely agree or sympathize with them. But I will say that I don't ever recall a BPer saying that it's wrong to not have a threesome with your wife if she wants one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/15 12:43 AM
2	CMV - Women have an extremely high bar to even consider men passable or average, and only find truly elite men to be "hot" or remarkable Except that "how wide I make it out to be" is totally arbitrary. The important thing is that there is a discrepancy. Hence, take away their vaginas, and women are generally worse companions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/15 12:17 AM
3	"On the inferiority of women, part 1: Who would you call?" What if, like I suspect, you get some responses from people who would call equal numbers of women or more women? BPers have a self-serving incentive to give this answer since their position is debunked otherwise. So odds are they would answer this way regardless of whether or not it's true. On the other side of the coin, I agree that all this tl;dr the OP wrote is not actual evidence of anything, it's all just conjecture. If I need help I try to find and call someone older, preferably who has be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/15 08:31 PM
5	CMV - Women have an extremely high bar to even consider men passable or average, and only find truly elite men to be "hot" or remarkable Oh boy you can't seriously be saying "nah bruh chicks love video games and sports!" Do you seriously think there's not a discrepancy between the sexes there?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/15 03:34 PM
6	From the New York Times: Women are suffering romantically on college campuses and women demonstrate that they still only go for alphas even when there's a big gender imbalance. Oh boy do I wish I had gone to school out of state. I dunno what the numbers are like for my particular school but it definitely does not seem like this drought of male presence..... all of college was a sausage fest for me, going to bars, going to parties, going out for dinner, anything with a group guys always outnumbered girls like 3 to 1. Maybe if I had gone elsewhere in the country..... Oh well, I'm moving this year maybe I can make up for it lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/15 03:26 AM
4	CMV - Women have an extremely high bar to even consider men passable or average, and only find truly elite men to be "hot" or remarkable Right, women can offer men sex in addition to everything else that men offer each other. Like friendship, a new perspective on things, social links, work partners, financial resources, etc. So then why would you only judge women based on how hot they are? I'm not saying you think that, but that's OP's position. I wish women could offer me all of that. Some of them really can but they're diamonds in the rough. Most women are boring plain and simple, they have little to offer in the way of opinion…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/03/15 03:12 AM
4	Do males have to put in much greater effort to have a vast number of sexual partners than females do? Depends on if you count prostitution I guess. Even then you could argue it's more effort for the man because he's gonna have to fork over a ton of cash to get into the thousands that way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/15 10:45 PM
2	BP women, what do you have to offer a man? Specify what kind of walls	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/15 03:05 AM
8	Bluepillers that say: “he is just using her for sex.” Does that not contradict your views on ‘equality’? Okay, so you think some males lack agency as well. That's the "they do it too, so it's okay" trap. That doesn't change the fact that your position implies that some women are not capable of making decisions for themselves. If this were not the case, you would hold those women responsible for their choices, and not the men who are engaging in what they understand to be a consensual transaction with those women. If the woman truly feels that she will be "hurt" by having sex, it is within her abili…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/15 01:34 AM
0	Is a previously sexually promiscuous woman not suitable for a marriage? Clearly un-suitable as that is several times the average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/15 12:25 AM
7	Bluepillers that say: “he is just using her for sex.” Does that not contradict your views on ‘equality’? Just because no-one is 'forcing' someone to do something doesn't mean you're* not a dick for taking advantage of the fact that you have most of the power in a situation. I'm going to stop you right there. Female hypo-agency trap. If women are individuals capable of thought and decision-making, and they say that they want to sleep with you, it's not your job to sit there and try to figure out if she "really means it or not" or w/e other head games you might think are going on. She can decide for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/15 12:23 AM
9	Bluepillers that say: “he is just using her for sex.” Does that not contradict your views on ‘equality’? Yep have seen it happen first hand. "Oh it's nothing, Oh I don't want a relationship, Oh I'm not going to date him." Deny deny deny then suddenly one day their facebook statuses change and they are "in a relationship." The girl knew damn well what she was doing and I (as an onlooker) did as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/15 12:20 AM
2	Do women behave worse in a professional environment than men? I have had several jobs and worked for probably a dozen different people. I have had good bosses and bad bosses. Some of the good bosses were women. But all of the bad bosses were women as well. I had female bosses that were control freaks, that would flip out over dumb stuff or minor details, who would require employees to do things "their way" for no good reason and constantly hover over them instead of actually doing work themselves. Whereas my good bosses were reasonable and basically only c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/15 08:05 PM
4	As a parent, would you encourage a male child to study hard and get good grades knowing that it is negatively correlated with romantic and sexual success? Of course not. Grades in high school are not really worth that much aside from getting money for college. Any high school kid will be happier having a social/dating life than being an honor roll student.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/15 07:16 PM
1	Clearing Up Notions of "Equality" Why do you think equal outcomes for everybody is a desirable situation? That's called socialism. Do you not believe in equality of opportunity?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/15 05:53 AM
1	Clearing Up Notions of "Equality" The term "equity," which I've seen used more often in Feminist literature is about righting perceived cultural inequalities by instituting reform that doesn't have "equal" impact. You can't be serious. How is this not positive discrimination? Who gets to decide when it's "enough" and that now women are equal and we can stop favoring them? Feminists? Come on now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/15 04:19 AM
9	Average looking woman from Boston uses Tinder to get pathetic men to shovel her car out of snow... twice. Can BP explain to me how men and women are the same again? Also, how can men cash in on the same phenomenon? Unremarkable female shamelessly takes advantage of desperate betas left out in the cold by the deregulation of the SMP. More news at 6.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/15 03:03 AM
1	¿why trp hate women? This topic is baiting, plain and simple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/15 12:19 AM
2	¿why trp hate women? Troll thread is troll.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/15 11:48 PM
1	What does 'feminized society' mean? It takes time for heavily ingrained social norms to change and eventually be overturned. It's not like you're going to give a certain group the vote and see society transform overnight (hello there Deep South). If anything, I would argue the fact that the traditional model of marriage has been basically stabbed, beaten and thrown out the window less than 100 years after women got the vote is evidence of its having an abnormally large effect on society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/15 11:39 PM
2	TRP in 10 years and the hypothetical of it becoming mainstream The actual TRP sub will not because it stubbornly refuses to use PC language, which is a necessary compromise for becoming mainstream. However, I do think we could see a growing backlash against feminism and SJWs in general, among normal non-RP people. Arguably, it is already happening. Almost all conservative people I know IRL despise the social justice movements, even young college people who used to be on board with them. About half the country is Republican, so.....	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/15 12:50 AM
3	In your experience, has feminism made you ashamed of your attraction to women? The great thing about that video was the race of the "harassers." All black and latino. There was 1 white guy who was on screen for like 2 seconds. It's basically saying that pretty white women should be protected from having to interact with scary black men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/15 12:47 AM
1	In your experience, has feminism made you ashamed of your attraction to women? And I could point to all the terps on here who say "yea it is like that." So what? If you're going to post on a debate sub you should have more to arguments than your own personal experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/15 12:41 AM
2	In your experience, has feminism made you ashamed of your attraction to women? Oh boy a self-reported, unverifiable exception. Let me just retract everything, your personal experience has necessitated a re-thinking of my entire worldview.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 11:20 PM
1	Would you act flirty to get free stuff? If you're attractive you can't not act flirty to get free stuff. You will be treated favorably because you are attractive. All you can do is not take it even further and get even more free stuff by "acting flirty" and flaunting your attractiveness. Unfortunately the difference between someone being interested in a conversation and "acting flirty" is often very blurry, so again, in practice it's impossible to not do it, even if you're not trying to. This isn't a discussion on what gender does thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 10:00 PM
2	Is the Yes Means Yes law mutually beneficial for both genders? Is it overall a necessary measure? Do you seriously not see the potential for abuse in this law? Let's say you get "affirmative consent" and start fucking a girl, however you don't keep asking for consent; she participates and seems to be enjoying herself but doesn't say anything else until you are done. Later she claims that she decided halfway through that she was no longer okay with you fucking her, and because "silence and lack of resistance does not indicate consent, and consent may be withdrawn at any time," that qualifies …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 09:55 PM
5	Is the Yes Means Yes law mutually beneficial for both genders? Is it overall a necessary measure? This is a hilariously one-sided question. How could anyone possibly think this law benefits men? You literally have to keep asking for consent constantly while fucking a girl or else she can cry rape and in the eyes of this law you would be guilty. It means that you can't sleep with a girl without giving her a loaded gun, pointing it at your head and putting her finger on the trigger. And that gun stays there aimed at your head for your entire life afterwards, she can decide months down the line…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 09:51 PM
3	In your experience, has feminism made you ashamed of your attraction to women? Okay? Even if true, that doesn't change the fact that feminists have taken the term "nice guy," turned it into the dating equivalent of the devil himself, and used it to shame beta males. Also, yes, almost by definition girls only like assholes. Maybe not 10 or 20 years ago, but. No sane girl in the current culture would dare admit that she likes nice guys. Even if she's not referring to fedora-wearing neckbeards, but rather genuinely nice and soft-spoken gentlemen, it doesn't matter. The term i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 09:39 PM
-1	A recent article reviewed by Science Alert claims that a "Study says that men are more narcissistic than women" and "Especially when it comes to entitlement." So males who post a lot of selfies are narcissists and psychopaths, but when women do it it's totally normal and okay? Yea I'm not buying that. Nice try though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 06:12 PM
5	In your experience, has feminism made you ashamed of your attraction to women? You're kidding, right? There is a huge image in the culture now of the "nice guy" who is an obvious loser and gets bitter when he's rejected by women. There have been reams and reams of articles about this stereotype from female-centric blogs and media sources, and it even has its own subreddit where people circlejerk to outrage porn over how creepy all those "nice guys" are. Do you seriously think that shit doesn't affect the way guys think about rejection?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 06:10 PM
2	In your experience, has feminism made you ashamed of your attraction to women? Like who? TRP and the manosphere? Because I think the answer to that question is pretty obvious if that's what you mean.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 02:34 AM
2	GASP An Internet Article That Actually Values Nice Guys? Maybe we're finally seeing the beginning of the backlash against the rampant nice-guy paranoia? I hope so. The sooner people drop that shit the better. You may call TRP "toxic" if you want but personally I find it much more toxic to be shaming guys from on top of your high horse just for asking girls out or showing them attention.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 02:32 AM
5	In your experience, has feminism made you ashamed of your attraction to women? That is kind of funny. I've never been ashamed personally. However what does happen as a result of feminist culture, is if I project my sexuality (asking a girl out, flirting, w/e) and other people see it they may make it clear that they think I should feel ashamed and should stop being such a creeper. That shit is annoying and so I can definitely see how people could develop this mis-conception (especially if they really drank the feminist kool-aid like it sounds like this lesbian did).	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/15 02:26 AM
5	Does Rape/Consent Culture contribute to lack of male confidence AKA nice guys? TRP Vs. TBP Denying that I could possibly know "fuck all" about what you do or don't believe, while also declining to elaborate on what exactly your beliefs might be. Color me surprised.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 09:46 PM
5	Does Rape/Consent Culture contribute to lack of male confidence AKA nice guys? TRP Vs. TBP Right--sarcastic responses to snide character assassinations not only qualify as aggressive, but disproportionately so. Thanks for setting me straight :p	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 08:28 PM
6	Does Rape/Consent Culture contribute to lack of male confidence AKA nice guys? TRP Vs. TBP You're right. It's not that chicks are looking to rationalize their rejections of beta males. It's that I am a bitter, fedora'd loser who would never deserve the privilege of their pussy anyways. Lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 06:17 PM
11	Does Rape/Consent Culture contribute to lack of male confidence AKA nice guys? TRP Vs. TBP Oh boy biological differences coming from a BPer? That is pretty delicious. Funny how the only "biological difference" you seem willing to accept is the one that's advantageous to women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 06:16 PM
3	thoughts on the latest trp sticky post? I'm sure you recognize them, but you might not recognize how prevalent or ridiculous they are to people who find boobs kind of gross. You might not realize that you are the target audience for almost 100% of what you see. "Right to be offended" narrative. You can whine about what's in the media if you want but you don't get to police it just because it makes you uncomfortable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 06:11 PM
3	How would redpillers react if there were a sexual/life strategy sub run by women using the same methodology as TRP? What?! Healthy relationships are built on a foundation of communication and compromise. BP fantasy world. As soon as you start "compromising"--by definition, doing something you don't want to do in order to get something you want in exchange--the relationship immediately loses both utility and viability. The best relationships are ones where no one has to "compromise" because both parties' interests and desires align with each other, or because both parties simply are not dependent on the attent…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 05:25 PM
1	thoughts on the latest trp sticky post? You got me on that point. I don't recall seeing much in popular media which said to guys that working out would somehow make you worse off or less attractive to girls, and don't agree that there was some kind of campaign against getting fit. You'd have to ask RPS there. I just don't think that it was heavily emphasized to work out and get fit, either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 05:21 PM
15	How would redpillers react if there were a sexual/life strategy sub run by women using the same methodology as TRP? It tells its followers how to spot manipulation tactics, but instead of stating that this should be grounds for dumping or open communication leading to the correction of the poor behaviour, it suggests that boys should counter it with their own forms of manipulation because AWALT and nobody changes or improves themselves. Really? TRP absolutely advocates dumping women who are too overtly manipulative. They have it right there in the lingo, "nexting." Open communication is dismissed as a solutio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 06:26 AM
3	thoughts on the latest trp sticky post? Ah yes, the ole "prove to me that it's NOT that way, oh you can't?... i win." You made the claim, back it up. No, actually, you did. That claim being that getting muscles has always been mainstream dating advice, and that you're just as likely to receive it by asking random people as you are by asking terpers. Going into the question knowing nothing about the general population, there is no obvious or inherent reason to believe that this is the case, as you seem to think there is. Be somewhat he…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 06:20 AM
9	Question for the red pill That's not a question, you're providing the answer you're looking for right there in the wording ("TRP is hateful and bitter"). That's like a terp going and asking a blueper "Do you just like being manipulated by women and never getting laid? Why would you want to live like that?"	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 06:16 AM
17	Does Rape/Consent Culture contribute to lack of male confidence AKA nice guys? TRP Vs. TBP Rape hysteria and nice-guy paranoia has increased the cost/risk of flirting for guys. Why try to talk to a girl if you run the risk of being labeled a creeper/tryhard/etc.? And god forbid you actually try to make a move and put your arm around a girl or something like that. If it doesn't work out you'll feel awkward just for being around her from then on out. It's so much easier to just avoid interaction with girls. But of course, despite putting this onus on men, women still expect men to appro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 06:14 AM
14	Does Rape/Consent Culture contribute to lack of male confidence AKA nice guys? TRP Vs. TBP The worst that could honestly happen is no sex--you couldn't be more wrong. Getting rejected sucks enough as it is, it's not a neutral outcome, you are definitely worse off than before you asked. The male-shaming and rape hysteria has made it that much worse because in addition to getting rejected in the first place, now the guy is left worrying that the chick thinks he is a creeper.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 06:10 AM
21	How would redpillers react if there were a sexual/life strategy sub run by women using the same methodology as TRP? One of the most oft-repeated words/terms/acronyms in the sub is AWALT, which is quite a massive generalization. Fair enough if you want tools to deal with the shit that bad women put you through, but it would probably be healthier to learn how to avoid shitty women, what might be causing you to attract shitty women, and how to communicate with an otherwise good partner who has some manipulative personality traits so that they can work on correcting them. I thought TRP did exactly that. You can't…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 06:06 AM
4	Question for the red pill Is there a specific point you're trying to make?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 06:03 AM
5	thoughts on the latest trp sticky post? You show me where it was emphasized that fitness is effective. If it's not specifically mentioned in a narrative, the default position is to not bother with it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 04:58 AM
21	Why are some non-TRPers so anxious to let me know TRP/ers is the devil/worst-thing-ever/etc? Sure, but what's important is whether the differences paint women as being worse than men at anything. No one has a problem with claims that women are "more empathetic" or "kinder" or whatever other positive word, despite the fact that it's still an implied insult to men. Claim that they're better at manipulation and deception, ala TRP? Now you're public enemy number one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 04:56 AM
18	Why are some non-TRPers so anxious to let me know TRP/ers is the devil/worst-thing-ever/etc? The big thing setting TRP apart from any other group or viewpoint or whatever is their claims about the nature of female psychology. They claim that there are fundamental differences between male and female psychology, and that not all of these differences paint women in a good light. This is absurdly threatening to the egalitarian narrative that is pushed in the mainstream, where it is believed that men and women are absolutely equal in every way except for their bodies and social conditioning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 04:12 AM
11	thoughts on the latest trp sticky post? Originally the campaign against men included denying that stoicism and fitness were effective with women. They tried to convince a generation of boys that what women really wanted was a dude who shared his feelings and was able to cry on her shoulder. MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS WHAT SOCIETY TAUGHT BOYS. That the purple pill tries to deny it now, telling us that “get fit and confident” has always been a no-brainer is disingenuous. Anybody watching a late 80’s or 90’s movie can disprove this entirel…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 04:08 AM
1	100,000 Cheers boys. Let's hope for another 100k within the year.	/r/TheRedPill	05/03/15 04:02 AM
2	(Part of) why "The Red Pill" is so off-putting to non Red Pill people I don't really get your point. TRP would just say that it's you who "thoroughly misunderstands" social interactions. That a common human interaction like smiling at a counter guy and him giving you a little extra guacamole is framed as "It's just like fucking someone for free food" is way creepy to people. It is just like fucking someone for free food though. It's a less extreme version to be sure, but the similarity is obvious. You are using your sexuality to gain a material benefit. Note that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/15 01:05 AM
4	If All Sex is Transactional to Women, What Are They Getting For Fucking Alphas? Possibility 3 (which I'm also sure you'll deny) is that you're not very attractive/you are low SMV, so guys that wouldn't be attractive to most women are more acceptable to you. Bear in mind that pretty much anyone is going to deny all 3 possibilities, regardless of whether or not they're true, because it's in their self-interest to do so in order to avoid cognitive dissonance and paint a positive self-image. tl;dr self-reported outliers don't matter	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 09:10 PM
3	If All Sex is Transactional to Women, What Are They Getting For Fucking Alphas? Another possibility is that you think you're "fucking a beta for free," but your information, being self-reported, is false/misleading in one of two ways (if not both): The guy is not actually a beta. You are not actually doing it "for free," and are in fact getting benefits in return. If you are in an LTR (as I'm presuming you are, being BP) this is more or less impossible to convincingly deny, even if it really and truly isn't the case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 08:32 PM
7	Western white women are inferior in every way to their Eastern European counterparts as relationship prospects This is pure speculation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 07:21 PM
3	Is There Any Ex-RedPill in Here? What Was Your Experience? Why Did You Decide to Plug Back in? Interesting. Any idea why they made this decision? Thinking about all this stuff too stressful, maybe?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 07:19 PM
11	the real reason behind red pill anger? Everyone lies about who they are. Don't kid yourself. 99% of guys watch porn and fap. A large number of women, if not the majority, are put off by and uncomfortable with that. Yet they have no ability whatsoever to "sniff out" when a guy has been watching porn and use their magical feminist-senses to know that he's objectifying her as a result. TRP is no different except in that it's very small instead of being something that nearly literally every single guy participates in. I agree that narcis…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 07:08 PM
2	Western white women are inferior in every way to their Eastern European counterparts as relationship prospects I've got no problems with all your negative assertions towards American women, but I do doubt the claim that Eastern Europeans are somehow superior. What makes you think that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 06:43 PM
0	If All Sex is Transactional to Women, What Are They Getting For Fucking Alphas? A hypothetical that TRP would say rarely if ever happens IRL. Outliers and all that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 06:42 PM
9	the real reason behind red pill anger? Typical "they can smell it on you, they know you're a terper" fallacy. No they can't, people hide their feelings and opinions all the time, it's a normal behavior not some kind of dark TRP-specific manipulation technique.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 06:40 PM
8	Are all Women manipulative? Are all women manipulative? No. Are women more manipulative than they're generally willing to admit? Yes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 06:19 PM
23	With 100,000 subscribers and a common theme of field reports- can we say the anecdotes are finally amassing to useful data? Is it possible that the size and consistency of TRP's userbase is demonstrating that maybe the behaviors they observe are more common than you'd think? If all 100,000 subscribers submitted field reports then you might be on to something. As it stands only a tiny fraction of those actually provide anecdotes so you can't say that you have 100,000 data points, your actual sample size is still very small. And that's not even going into problems of self-reporting (no way to guarantee that stories aren't altered from true events to make the author appear more favorable, if not outright fabricated) and selection bias (certain kind of guys with certain…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 06:17 PM
11	If All Sex is Transactional to Women, What Are They Getting For Fucking Alphas? What does she get for fucking an alpha? It's right there in the lingo: alpha fux. The experience is the reward. This is different from fucking a beta where the woman is doing it in exchange for some non-sexual benefit (usually commitment).	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 05:56 PM
2	Why do Redpillers tend to desire multiple casual partners as opposed to a stable long term girlfriend? Just curious It will probably fail though. How many LTRs do you think end before lasting their partners' whole lives? By far the majority of them. It's not unreasonable to know this and adjust your expectations accordingly. And the knowledge of it alone doesn't somehow guarantee failure or lower your chances.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 03:25 PM
2	Why do Redpillers tend to desire multiple casual partners as opposed to a stable long term girlfriend? Just curious It depends on your definition of disappointment. Some guys are content to be glorified personal attendants to their girlfriends. Some guys are willing to run the risk of infidelity. Other guys find that the downsides--which are significant for most people--on average, simply outweigh the benefits. Having tried the whole LTR thing myself I'm inclined towards the latter category but it is up to each guy to decide. And for some of them, yes, the judgement may be that you can only look for sex with …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 06:20 AM
5	Why do Redpillers tend to desire multiple casual partners as opposed to a stable long term girlfriend? Just curious Uh no, I wouldn't. You mean you wouldn't now after having been raised in a heavily feminist culture for 20 some odd years (maybe more idk). Put yourself in a culture that does not demonize male sexuality or have any of modern society's taboos, and imagine that the opportunity was there to have a harem. Totally different story I'm willing to bet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 03:44 AM
3	Why do Redpillers tend to desire multiple casual partners as opposed to a stable long term girlfriend? Just curious If you're just looking for sex, why take that risk?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 03:40 AM
10	Why do Redpillers tend to desire multiple casual partners as opposed to a stable long term girlfriend? Just curious Wait wait wait! You got it! "By that logic, formally committing to anybody is a waste of time." Exactly. Hence why TRP says don't get married just spin plates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 03:39 AM
2	Would you "spin a plate" that has her own soft harem? That's a pretty hollow insult to throw at a plate spinning RPer lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/15 03:34 AM
5	Would you "spin a plate" that has her own soft harem? I don't see why not. Going by TRP's premise that women are inherently deceptive and attention-seeking, there's a good chance that even if she says she is exclusively intimate with you, she actually has other guys on the side anyways. So it seems like a waste of energy to try and get that level of commitment out of a plate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 09:24 PM
2	I'm curios what everyone RP/BP and in between, thinks about this conversation I'm having with someone who supports TRP It's worth looking into about how society treats trans people, no doubt. It's still incredibly non-representative of heteronormative people. That's not even going into the whole knowledge problem of whether or not you can empirically measure self-reported differences in people's perception of how they're treated based on their gender (hint: you can't).	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 09:22 PM
1	I'm curios what everyone RP/BP and in between, thinks about this conversation I'm having with someone who supports TRP Being trans/queer already skews normal gender dynamics enormously. You're basically a 3rd gender at that point, your experiences aren't going to be very representative of heteronormative people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 09:00 PM
1	I'm curios what everyone RP/BP and in between, thinks about this conversation I'm having with someone who supports TRP do people really downvote like that? Jeez, the only time i Ever downvote is when someone is being abusive or doxxing or stuff like that I never downvote on this sub, but yea it does happen quite a bit despite the rule against it. Another good one is where someone clearly downvoted your response to them but doesn't bother to post a rebuttal of their own. And by the way, I'm not a "guy", Not referring to you, referring to the guy you were arguing with :p Seems futile to argue RP positions in TIA s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 08:59 PM
7	On the "friendzone" (internet edition) and the "girlfriendzone". I'm rambling too much. I suppose what I really want to ask is, does anyone actually believe in the existence of the "friendzone" as an actual thing, or have they heard actual people talking about it in the same way gender warriors on the internet do? I haven't heard anyone talking about it "in the same way gender warriors on the internet do," but that's just because conversations on the internet sound different from conversations IRL in general. I have definitely heard the same questions about m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 05:37 PM
2	Why do Redpillers tend to desire multiple casual partners as opposed to a stable long term girlfriend? Just curious Depends on the qualities of the plates. Are they beautiful women that I can do any sexual act with as well? If so then I pick them. If not you're comparing apples and oranges.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 05:00 PM
3	I'm curios what everyone RP/BP and in between, thinks about this conversation I'm having with someone who supports TRP Good lord. You want me to start listing all the "issues" I have to deal with which I would not have to, or would have an easier time with, if I were not a male? Yet you don't see me crying about misandry every time some chick in a movie says boys are dumb. You might want to keep your victim-complex it's-oh-so-hard-for-us-and-so-easy-for-you crap in your circlejerk feminist subs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 04:50 PM
1	I'm curios what everyone RP/BP and in between, thinks about this conversation I'm having with someone who supports TRP Ah yes the downvote brigades. I have been a victim as well, the best is when you reply to someone's "discussion" topic and they systematically downvote every comment you make in the topic. Anyways my only real question is why does this guy bother to argue this stuff in r/TumblrInAction? Like seriously he's wasting his time......	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 04:43 PM
-1	BP, do you think it's wrong for women to get hymen reconstruction surgery to deceive men into thinking that they are still virgins? Well everyone knows women lie about their partner counts. This is just taking it to a whole new level. I don't think anyone in the West seriously needs to worry about getting fooled by a slut with a reconstructed hymen, though :p	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 05:13 AM
1	BP, do you think it's wrong for women to get hymen reconstruction surgery to deceive men into thinking that they are still virgins? Why would it be removed? Also, I doubt any BPers will disagree, since they think partner count shouldn't matter anyways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 04:20 AM
2	BP, do you think it's wrong for women to get hymen reconstruction surgery to deceive men into thinking that they are still virgins? That is weird as fuck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 04:18 AM
2	Red Pill followers don't realize that they still let women control their lives and thoughts. 99.98% of posts on TRP are about women - either complaints about how women don't do what men want, advice on getting laid/picking up, or 'field reports' about men successfully seducing some chick in a club. It's a sexual strategy sub. Not sure how this part qualifies as CMV. TRP claims to be a self-improvement sub, but I don't see any posts related to working out r/askTRP readily provides tons of advice and references to sources of advice. learning how to fix things What does this mean? "Fix thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 03:26 AM
11	What does Purple-Pill Debate think of Beta_Bitch's "7-step Alternative Strategy for the disillusioned Red Piller" Pretty good advice I would say, people definitely do not focus enough on humor and the importance of conversation skills, both of which are very helpful in attracting chicks especially if you can isolate and employ them in a one-on-one setting. 5 is bad advice. I mean it's good advice for enjoying life in general, but bad for getting laid, or at least misleading. You need to have certain hobbies and be knowledgeable on certain subjects that a large amount of the population can relate to (know cu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/15 12:03 AM
5	Can the Redpill make your life worse? Seems to me you are doing the opposite of what redpill would say to do. TRP tells guys to talk to women, approach, play the numbers game. TRP tells guys to work out hard and kick ass in the gym. You sound like you decided to stop trying because you're too far behind, which I think TRP would label as a beta mindset. My life really has not changed that much since "taking the red pill," though that is likely because I had already internalized a lot of it before I even heard of the sub, I just didn'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/15 07:06 PM
6	the AFBB fallacy Earnings prospects? I'd bet that how the study measures income is going to be a point of attack here, though I'm too lazy to go look and try to find the holes myself. It would also need to be clarified what the study means by "dating." Is it finding that looks are 16x as important for LTR and marriage, or is it including more short terms relationships in its sample? It does confirm that women seek looks to the absolute exclusion of personal traits/interesting personality, though, so it's still k…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/15 06:52 PM
5	Is There A Lot of Sexual Implication Behind "Let's Meet For a Drink"? Yea being married and having the spouse present in the house might change the dynamic a bit :p I was referring to single guys	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/15 05:55 PM
9	Is There A Lot of Sexual Implication Behind "Let's Meet For a Drink"? Asking a girl "out" for drinks is not an invitation for sex. It's a "let's hang out and see where it goes from there" invitation. If she likes you and you two get along while you are "out" together then there is a possibility for more interactions, one of which being casual sex. The second one, asking a girl to watch a movie at your place, is a lot more of an invitation to have sex. A lot of girls will (rightly) perceive it as one and probably turn it down if they don't want to have sex with you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/15 05:22 PM
5	Women have dualistic dating strategies, and look for different qualities in men at different stages of their life. It's plain that men do this, but it's not plain to everyone that it's okay for them to do it. That's where TRP comes in and says it's okay to do what's best for you, if the women don't like it, screw them (literally).	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/15 03:29 PM
16	Women have dualistic dating strategies, and look for different qualities in men at different stages of their life. Okay? That is what I said. "No one denies that men do it too, when they can." The real issue is whether women do it, because a lot of people do deny that women have a dualistic dating strategy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/15 03:03 PM
18	Women have dualistic dating strategies, and look for different qualities in men at different stages of their life. Typical "but they do it too!" No one denies that men do it too, when they can. That is the point of TRP; to tell men that it's okay to adopt the same dualistic dating strategy of women, because most sources would shame men for attempting this, calling them misogynist, saying they shouldn't use women for sex, what have you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/15 06:52 AM
2	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? Sigh. How are people still not getting this? Under no circumstances is it advised that you keep pushing against a no. When a girl says no but doesn't really mean it, what's going to happen is it's going to become a yes later. If it never changes from a no to a yes then you don't have sex with her. That is the difference between ADS and a "real no." Not hard to understand.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/15 11:21 PM
5	The RedPill narrative is that women often sleep with guys out of their league, then settle down with a less attractive guy for marriage (beta), for those that disagree, what exactly do you disagree about? One possibility that you touched on, and which I think gets left out in a lot of the narratives, is the possibility of "alpha bucks." Tall good looking guys with natural alpha traits who, for whatever reason, go into the dating market with the goal of getting married and starting a family, who are willing to commit. This is where some girls might get stories like "nuh uh things aren't like that at all, my friend got married to a total hunk and they are like so happy together!" Of course the dema…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/15 04:25 AM
4	Is it just me or are women generally more honest/nicer to one night stands than they are to guys they want relationships from? More honest sure. I dunno about "nicer." Unless by nicer you mean she lets them fuck her right away as opposed to waiting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/15 12:17 AM
-1	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? "I don't understand where you got the idea that women want men who have fucked a lot of women. Take a look around, most women don't and even RPers are willing to admit that."--Women don't want men who have fucked a lot of girls Response to sarcastic comment that girls want virgins: "Because there's no such thing as middle ground right?"--Women don't want virgins or inexperienced guys Hence, the inconsistency. Words have meanings, guy. Inconvenient I know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 09:57 PM
20	Men do not age better than women You're starting from the wrong premise. It's not about men looking better physically when they are older, although there is a case to be made that they don't lose physical attractiveness as badly as women do over time. It's about the fact that older guys have more money and more status which makes them in turn more attractive to women. The reverse does not hold true because guys do not care about status and actually may be turned off by it (plus the women wouldn't have them anyways due to hyperg…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 09:50 PM
2	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? So girls don't want a guy that is inexperienced, but he can't have fucked a lot of girls either. Basically you're hoping some girl out there before you was willing to "teach" him so you don't have to, because that is just such a turnoff. It's like TRPers who want to marry docile virgins that don't work but cry foul when they get "divorce raped" and have to pay a shit ton of alimony. Your standards aren't consistent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 09:32 PM
1	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? Yea girls don't care at all if you're a virgin or severely inexperienced. It's okay, they can teach you! It's fun for them. Right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 06:50 PM
5	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? Hmm let's see guys getting accused of rape after what they understood to be consensual sex...... yea that never happens.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 06:48 PM
3	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? Oh god how are we still having this "TRP advocates rape!" nonsense. TRP does NOT advocate that you just keep taking her clothes off because no means yes. That is a one way ticket to a rape allegation or retroactive withdrawal of consent. In the event of LMR TRP advocates that you de-escalate smoothly and see where it goes from there. If she really does want to fuck you she will give you a chance to re-escalate later. More importantly, even if TRP advocated rape, I--you know, the guy you responde…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 06:15 PM
2	What would you tell an Omega Male? It's not a draw back (so long as you don't make it one by trying to talk about it with girls who don't care) but it sure as shit isn't something to incorporate into your dating strategy, which is what I'm addressing from your original comment: "If you like gaming, find a gamer girl. If you like comics, go to cons and find a girl that is enjoying your hobbies." This is terrible advice for the reasons I've already outlined. It smacks of "just be yourself" (i.e. if you like video games don't change…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 06:11 PM
1	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? Nope. I explicitly said from the start that girls don't like guys who try to power through. I really don't see where the confusion is coming from but keep kicking that strawman I guess.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 06:06 PM
8	What would you tell an Omega Male? Oh boy you really are arguing "be a nerd to get laid." Most women don't care about genuinely nerdy shit. D&D? Really? Not something you want to bring up in conversation and try to form a rapport over whenever you are meeting girls. If she is the kind of girl that is actually into D&D you probably will be able to tell without having to ask anyways. Just because a girl likes nerd stuff doesn't mean she wants to fuck nerds. The girls that I have known that played games or w/e, surprise surprise, th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 03:04 PM
4	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? Okay? I said it was a turn off in the post you originally replied to. "Girls don't want guys that try to 'power through' when they say no." The kind of guy that girls want to bang--experienced, well-adjusted--would be able to tell that you are not ready. I don't get your point?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 02:59 PM
3	Your take on the 'women love a man with dreams and goals' thing? A lot of girls like the idea of "dreams and goals that they are working towards." Few that I have known actually do jack shit towards achieving whatever their little pet fantasy is. The girl I dated talked about how she wanted to work in radio. In reality, she dropped out of college, sat on her ass for close to a year, and finally got a job as a waitress when it got to the point that she had no other choice if she wanted to keep eating. She's bounced from one minimum wage service job to another …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 07:09 AM
6	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? And an experienced, well-adjusted guy would be able to tell that you mean "I'm not ready, slow down" when you say no. Just because a woman likes to be clear in her intentions doesn't mean betas are suddenly going to be attractive to her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 06:57 AM
1	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? Probably not. Too bad they'll never know the difference. Anonymity and all that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 06:56 AM
5	If slut shaming exists in our society, why isn't the idea of LMR plausible? Girls want to bang a guy who knows the difference between token, playful resistance and a real no. They don't want betas who take even the slightest hint of LMR as a sign to back away and give up on sex. They don't want creeps like the guy you described, that try to "power through" no matter what. It's a fine line guys have to walk.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 06:28 AM
8	What would you tell an Omega Male? Oh boy is that some bad advice. "Go find gamer girls." Yeah because there are so many of those to go around, and the few that exist are totally going to be attracted to omegas. Do not actually go around asking chicks how much they are into video games and comics, especially if you are already starting at a disadvantage. If they bring it up then sure but otherwise you should pretend that those things do not exist while talking to women (because, for the vast majority of women, they don't).	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 05:17 AM
5	What would you tell an Omega Male? Sure but a short guy who's built is still considerably worse off than a tall guy who doesn't work out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/15 04:03 AM
3	What would you tell an Omega Male? You responded to "my friend who literally fits the omega stereotype suddenly one day started getting sex and hanging out with lots of beautiful girls" with "I think this is common." So...... yeah. gotchaHAHAAHAHATROLolololloool	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/15 09:51 PM
1	What would you tell an Omega Male? Yea omega actually is the easiest to give advice too since he's the guy that really is just shooting himself in the foot and could do some really obvious and simple things to increase his SMV. Getting to beta status is relatively easy, it's advancing from there that is hard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/15 08:40 PM
9	What would you tell an Omega Male? The problem for some guys is bad facial aesthetics/height. If you got shitty genes there then doing the "standard" cleaning-yourself-up advice about dressing better, shaving, etc., it won't make a damn bit of difference. You have to seriously work on game, approach, getting real muscles, and even then you probably still need to get pretty lucky.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/15 08:39 PM
3	What would you tell an Omega Male? Omega --> Alpha transition is common? Lol sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/15 08:36 PM
15	Men who "took the red pill" : have you ever tried being genuinely respectful toward women ? Oh boy that is a disingenuous post. "Have you ever tried not being a shitty person?"	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/15 02:39 PM
3	CMV: "Just talk about it" suggestions are attempts to consciously resolve problems that are unconscious in nature. The last two aren't even advice on getting more sex. By definition, if you are in a position to apply "foreplay" it is already implied that you are going to have sex. Advice on solving a dead bedroom would focus on getting to a stage where you can engage in foreplay.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/15 05:37 AM
5	If a prostitute has sex with a man and then the man doesn't pay her, is it rape? Wikipedia: Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent. The prostitute gave consent so it is not rape. Consent under false pretenses, sure, but consent is consent. Let's say a guy has sex with a girl under the premise that she is a virgin. A few weeks later his doctor tells him that voila, he has herpes. The chick lied. No one calls that rape. Women don't get a special pass w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/15 05:20 AM
0	Discussion: Sociobiological theories of rape Maybe there is an evolutionary source maybe there isn't. There's no way to really know that one way or another given we will never have much data on pre-historic humans and their sexual behaviors. I find explanations for "token resistance" (LMR) and other such phenomena more convincing when they are citing societal forces that we can clearly observe at work today, such as slut-shaming. Evo-psych explanations are interesting to discuss/explore but ultimately they will never be more than pure spec…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/15 01:23 AM
5	CMV: "Just talk about it" suggestions are attempts to consciously resolve problems that are unconscious in nature. So basically, a rejection of both TRP and mainstream (aka BP) dating advice. And we can assume a rejection of feminist dating advice since it's even worse than mainstream. "Everyone is dumb, don't ask other people, think for yourself and do what makes sense to you." So at that point you are not really red, blue or even purple pill. You think both sides are dumb so you're like black pill or something.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/15 12:41 AM
16	CMV: "Just talk about it" suggestions are attempts to consciously resolve problems that are unconscious in nature. TRP doesn't have a monopoly on it. But it is much more emphasized by TRP compared to what you would hear from "normal" people or (god forbid) feminists. Since BP does not have an over-arching idea structure to compete with TRP's, it is just a rejection of TRP, it's fair to assume that the "BP answer" to something is the same as the mainstream answer. "Be confident" is 90% of what I've heard from talking to people IRL. Many people will not mention working out or gaining muscle. I have even had pe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/15 09:46 PM
2	Ignoring men's problems won't make them go away. Why should we not fight? The easy BP answer is that they don't ignore men's problems, they just hate TRP. There is still a gap to be jumped between caring about men's issues and the active misogyny of TRP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/15 09:33 PM
6	CMV: (Most) Women want to be raped (or, as they call it, "ravished") by an attractive man. Women don't want to actually be raped, they just want to know that there are men out there who would want to rape them if they could. This is a validation of their self-worth and beauty. After all if no man would want to rape a woman, it implies that her SMV is rock bottom.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/15 05:34 PM
25	If TRP wasn't as hateful as it is, people would be more accepting of the truths. I don't think there's anything wrong with having guys vent about women being stupid. It's not like women never do that about men. The problem is the propensity to generalize. The guys venting on TRP will go "all women are children" instead of "this one specific chick who fucked me over is basically a child." If they would focus on specific examples and say "this is how some women can be, be ready for it," and do less of the AWALT, I think the hate could be lessened. But even if the "anger phase"…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/15 06:32 AM
3	At what point in the relationship does a woman's partner count come into play? It just depends on the person. Some guys have an inherent distaste for sluttiness past a certain point. Other guys would next her not necessarily because she's promiscuous but because she wasn't honest about it. Other guys would just keep banging her. Whether you next her or keep seeing her though, either way, the only reason for your decision is "because that's what I feel like doing." Again from TRP mindset.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/15 06:26 AM
2	At what point in the relationship does a woman's partner count come into play? As another poster said see how long it takes her to sleep with you. Sex on a first date almost guarantees a high partner count ("high" meaning double digit i.e. 10 or more). Taking RP mentality to its logical conclusion: You never are at a point where you "drop your other plates to be with her." If you do this you are committing oneitis. If you have other plates then keep them as long as circumstances permit. Remember that TRP calls marriage a bum deal, so there is no end-game where you ultimate…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/15 05:01 AM
17	Don't save her. She doesn't want to be saved. They don't really want to be "saved." They love getting fucked by bad boys and other alphas. They know it's bad for them. They just can't help themselves. It doesn't matter what they say. At the end of the day they will need their fix again. You don't associate with heroin addicts, homeless and other such self-destructive people. You stay the fuck away. Don't make an exception for women. Fuck her if you can. If you can't stay the fuck away. It isn't your problem.	/r/TheRedPill	26/02/15 04:26 AM
6	"Guys never hit on me" The delicious irony is when those same women whine about how evil and wrong catcalling is. Then they go out to a bar and complain that no guys will approach them. They don't even realize the hypocrisy. It's delicious.	/r/TheRedPill	26/02/15 04:06 AM
3	Do you think female sexual plurality ("Alpha fucks Beta bucks") is real? Do you think women sexually respond differently to high status ("alpha") versus low status ("beta") men? Pretty obviously yes I think. Almost all women even BP women report a preference for a career and money (i.e. status) in their mates. I haven't experienced it personally, in the one LTR I've had the girl ended up asking me for sex due to how low my libido was. But I have seen it over and over and over again with the people I've known over the years. Chick hangs out with guy, texts him a lot, etc., but somehow he just can't seem to CTS. Then a few months later this same chick hangs out with a guy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 10:46 PM
0	If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it? So you're saying that RPers attract girls by masquerading as BP/"normal" people, then start with the emotional manipulation once they have them hooked? Doesn't match up with some BP narratives but interesting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 08:55 PM
17	If TRP advocates men to fuck "sluts" and marry "virgins," then why the whining with women fucking "alphas" and marrying "betas"? "I can't get laid because women are hypergamous and dishonest..... they just chase status and looks while telling us guys that we just need to be 'nicer' to them!" "I can't get a good relationship/marriage because men are lazy and irresponsible..... they are just too scared and immature to date a woman that can support herself!" Both narratives blame the other gender for their problems and imply that it's the other gender who is fucked up and needs to change. Both shift accountability for their …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 06:42 PM
1	Do women put up LMR because they crave being dominated? You're probably right in some cases, but I doubt that this is true for all of them or even the majority. I've seen too many times where feminists/BPers/whoever will just straight up deny that promiscuous women make less stable LTR partners when it's brought up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 06:24 PM
5	Why aren't there more stay-at-home dads given the prevalence of women in the workplace? No way! Hypergamy is a bullshit attempt by MRAs and other neckbeards to absolve themselves of responsibility for their inability to get laid. In reality women don't marry men for their money or their careers. It's more likely that you don't see SAHD because men these days are too immature and averse to responsibility, they wouldn't be able to handle it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 06:20 PM
8	If TRP advocates men to fuck "sluts" and marry "virgins," then why the whining with women fucking "alphas" and marrying "betas"? It's the equivalent of women who ask where all the good men have gone. Though of course it differs in that those women are usually consoled and told that it's because men these days are immature and can't handle strong independent women (i.e. it's not women's fault, they don't need to change or adapt).	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 06:17 PM
69	If TRP advocates men to fuck "sluts" and marry "virgins," then why the whining with women fucking "alphas" and marrying "betas"? TRP is about men getting what they want. If men can have their cake and eat it too, TRP would say that they go for it. Whether it's fair or consistent is irrelevant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 06:13 PM
3	Do women put up LMR because they crave being dominated? You're making the case for casual sex; I'm saying casual sex is going to lead to high partner counts, which is in turn associated with less stability in LTRs and marriage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 03:46 PM
1	If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it? How are twerps attracting partners to bully, though? If they have no means of bullying people into dating them in the first place, then their propensity to dread their partners won't matter because they'll be single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 03:43 PM
4	Don't get the whole slut-shaming going on in the RPW and TRP. My problem though is that girls that enjoy casual sex when they're single get the same label as the girls described above. These girls are very capable of being extremely loyal and their past is that. Their past. How can you tell which is which though? Some girls might have obvious tells but not all. All women both "true" sluts and otherwise will tell you they're capable of being loyal out of self-interest. You can't know for sure if it's really behind her or if she's just telling herself that t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 05:52 AM
2	Question for Blue: What do you look for in a mate? Maybe I should have separated "has money" and "career-driven" (which would go along with ambitious). "Educated" I think could go under "personality."	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 05:45 AM
2	Whats worse to be, a physically unattractive redpiller or a physically unattractive bluepiller? No shit, but so is the advice of "get jacked" and "make money". Nobody actually says "be confident" and leaves it there. Actually they rather do in my experience. I have pointed out the vagueness of the statement to people IRL and they really did not have much to say on the subject. Nor does the BP subreddit given that it's far too busy mocking TRP. As to "get jacked, get money" being vague, sure, except that there is lots of concrete advice out there on both of those, both within and outside of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 04:57 AM
2	TBP isn't a satire subreddit because satire is funny I dunno sometimes stuff can fall into the "so bad it's good category" where it's amusing precisely because it's so cringeworthy to the point of absurdity. Ever seen an Uwe Boll movie?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 04:20 AM
2	Don't get the whole slut-shaming going on in the RPW and TRP. If you made it that far then it doesn't matter anymore. At 20 years and especially with kids your marriage is probably pretty safe. The thing about sluts IRL is it's very likely the marriage will never make it to 20 years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 04:14 AM
5	Don't get the whole slut-shaming going on in the RPW and TRP. Are you talking about just casual bang partners or LTR material? I have to assume the former since you can't be much of an LTR person with a 100+ partner count. TRP doesn't have a problem with banging promiscuous women for fun, in fact they recommend it. They just say, don't LTR them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 04:09 AM
4	What do western men get from marriage that is reasonably unobtainable outside of it? What you said about marriage was a straw man argument. "You spend your energy trying to bang dumb sluts, what do you think is going to happen to you if you marry one of those?" Except that TRP specifically says to not marry a dumb slut. What you're saying now--"you should get to know your partner better before you marry them"--might be true, but it's also not in opposition to TRP, which again, absolutely advocates getting to know someone that you would marry precisely because you don't want to m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 04:04 AM
1	Do women put up LMR because they crave being dominated? Except that if you start going out with a chick then refuse to commit to her, and make it explicitly known that her partner count is the reason why, you WILL get accused of slut-shaming by SJWs and told that a woman's partner count shouldn't matter. Being unwilling to commit absolutely does count as judgement in the eyes of many feminists (and people in general, both female and male). A term like "sex-positive" would not have been coined if this were not the case.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 03:35 AM
3	CMV: The marriage rates are decreasing because men aren't stepping up to the plate (when they should be) I've seen people run long-term trolls where they stay active on the troll account for months before somehow getting found out. Not saying this person necessarily is one, just that I have seen it happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 03:33 AM
1	If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it? So it's a poor example of the "bullying" attributed to TRP. You can't use it to somehow manipulate women into fucking you when they don't really want to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 03:32 AM
7	What do western men get from marriage that is reasonably unobtainable outside of it? I don't have to assassinate your character if you believe in that red pill bullshit, because you don't have much character to being with. Claiming that someone doesn't have much character to begin with is a character assassination. Again nice try though. Keep at it I guess, who knows, if you just wish hard enough maybe ad hom will magically stop being a logical fallacy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 03:30 AM
2	Whats worse to be, a physically unattractive redpiller or a physically unattractive bluepiller? The disagreement is over two things: 1) whether those things are unique to red pill, and 2) whether those things are necessary to attract a woman. Blue pillers say that [1] isn't unique to red pill and instead is just common advice that everyone gets, and [2] is just false as you can still be successful without those things. "Be confident" isn't unique to RP ofc. But it's also useless. What does "be confident" mean? It's extremely vague. There's no actionable advice in the statement. That's wher…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/15 03:27 AM
7	As much as status matters, I think it's the very good looking guys that gets the most girls in college etc. in terms of casual sex/relationship The reason you see looks play an overwhelming role in college social circles is that college social circles are all composed of college students. They are all on relatively equal footing in regards to social standing and money so looks get amplified as the factor that girls use to pick the guys they sleep with. In society at large disparities in status and income are much more common. There is also a case to be made that women are more concerned with securing resources once they are out in the "…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 09:39 PM
3	Whats worse to be, a physically unattractive redpiller or a physically unattractive bluepiller? ....Uh, what? Why wouldn't a bluepiller try to improve their situation? This seems to be contradicted by just observing people. It's not that BP wouldn't want to do better, it's that he wouldn't believe that the things RP ascribes as leading to romantic success--muscles, money, game--are going to help him out any. The egalitarian BP narrative suggests that women aren't so shallow as to just go after guys because they have big arms or a nice car, they look for a guy who will intellectually challe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 08:49 PM
2	CMV: PPD is the manifestation about the discussion the ISN'T happen around Modern relationship roles It is a conversation that is definitely taking place in society as a whole, just usually not in a public and recorded forum where everyone can see it like PPD. I have talked to women about who they are dating, why, and how attracted they are to the people they date. These women have been honest and said that they were more attracted to guys that are taller, older and have money. I had a very honest conversation with a friend-girl of mine about why she is planning to break up with her boyfriend o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 08:33 PM
5	Do women put up LMR because they crave being dominated? Typical case of claiming that exceptions and outliers disprove the general trend. There are plenty of studies finding that women with higher partner counts are less stable in their LTRs, and they get posted pretty often on this very sub for obvious reasons. It's very rational to be concerned about a woman's propensity for casual sex. Sure, it's not guaranteed that she will get bored and leave you if she likes to sleep around, but it is measurably more likely. "It's a just a bit of fun! It doesn'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 07:51 PM
4	Do women put up LMR because they crave being dominated? Agreed, this is how I think guys should approach LMR. If women are going to play games then dis-incentivize the behavior by nexting them. After all RP criticizes women for incentivizing bad behavior when they sleep with assholes, it should run both ways. And the false rape accusation is a very good point. You are begging to get hit with retroactive withdrawal of consent if you fuck a girl who is putting up LMR like this even if you both know she did really want it at the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 06:58 PM
5	Do women put up LMR because they crave being dominated? If it weren't demonstrably true that sluts make poor LTR material people wouldn't be so "judgmental" of them (i.e. unwilling to commit to them). If women actually could "just enjoy casual sex" and then magically turn around and be a great partner for an LTR as well, I doubt that slut-shaming would be as much of a thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 06:44 PM
22	What do western men get from marriage that is reasonably unobtainable outside of it? Bog standard SJW character assassination. "Well if you were just decent human beings women wouldn't treat you like the piles of shit that you are!" Except that women are every bit as capable of being shallow, deceptive and self-serving as men are. Nice try though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 05:20 PM
2	Just curious, but how does the RP side explain all the female teachers having sex with their underage male students? The only one of these cases I actually bothered to look at in detail, the teacher was young and single and ended up marrying the kid when he graduated (or maybe he dropped out, either way). I think he was 16 when she first banged him and they married when he was 19. Weird shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 05:07 AM
7	Just curious, but how does the RP side explain all the female teachers having sex with their underage male students? Have you seen all of the female teachers on the news for pedophilia? Most of the comments on such stories are variations of "would bang". Many of the teachers who do this clearly have high SMV in redpill terms, as they are young and attractive. Yea I'm just speculating, tbh I have no idea what goes through those women's heads. But AWALT though But outliers don't disprove general trends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 05:04 AM
7	Just curious, but how does the RP side explain all the female teachers having sex with their underage male students? SMV is relative. A female teacher with no options other than an attractive student might consider him to be high SMV. More importantly, outliers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 03:34 AM
2	If a man has a history of LTRing sluts, succubi, harpies, etc - and fairly quickly - is it fair or even logical for a woman to expect he LTR her similarly (slut or not) and/or be upset if he's reluctant? I guess if you're the kind of person who has some sort of magical drama switch flipped in your head whenever you make that all-important change to your facebook profile. Personally, I've seen plenty of drama between people who were never "officially" dating, and experienced none when I and my LTR broke up despite having many friends in common at the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 03:29 AM
5	CMV: The marriage rates are decreasing because men aren't stepping up to the plate (when they should be) Ofcourse you want a wife that sucks, fucks, cleans, cooks and is a great companion. These things are so basic pointing them out just seems silly. If however you're only looking for these things you end up with a slave. How did you get from "is a great companion" to "slave" in 3 sentences? O__o	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 02:10 AM
3	CMV: The marriage rates are decreasing because men aren't stepping up to the plate (when they should be) It's curious then that it was most people's objection, despite me saying in the very first post that I don't expect that and it's perfectly fine to not marry a career woman. And it's your major point too. I said straight up Why reply at all then? The comment you replied to was speaking very explicitly about what the commenter expected in a wife, and why having a career did not meet those expectations. Given that you replied to this with "it's how you don't appreciate my work that gets to me," it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 02:07 AM
4	If a man has a history of LTRing sluts, succubi, harpies, etc - and fairly quickly - is it fair or even logical for a woman to expect he LTR her similarly (slut or not) and/or be upset if he's reluctant? Control over your personal life and happiness? Just because you updated your facebook profile to make it "official?" I don't think so. Marriage is the step where control over each other's happiness becomes a serious thing. The weight of just saying "now it's official!!" is completely arbitrary, it gives as much or as little control to the other person as you want it to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 01:44 AM
9	CMV: The marriage rates are decreasing because men aren't stepping up to the plate (when they should be) And yet the men seem unable to respect a women's career accomplishments on the premise that it makes her less attractive. If a guy doesn't have respect for some career thing that is legitimately impressive just because you're a woman, sure, I agree that's a questionable mindset. People that work hard should be respected for it. The point is that it doesn't follow from there that you should want to marry them too. In the same way that women are not obligated to date a guy who is nice to them, men…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 01:38 AM
7	CMV: The marriage rates are decreasing because men aren't stepping up to the plate (when they should be) Except that SAHD is the ultimate beta bux. He makes no money what so ever, and is dependent on his wife to provide for him. That is the antithesis of attractive for a lot of women. They would be disgusted by the thought of their sexual partner actually living off their money. It would be a dead bedroom guaranteed. That said I do think it is a decent deal for a man IF you don't mind dealing with kids (personally I'd far rather go to work than take care of a kid but that's up to the person), after…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 01:28 AM
9	CMV: The marriage rates are decreasing because men aren't stepping up to the plate (when they should be) Respect and appreciation are one thing, sexual attraction is completely another. For women they are intertwined. For men much less so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 01:23 AM
6	If a man has a history of LTRing sluts, succubi, harpies, etc - and fairly quickly - is it fair or even logical for a woman to expect he LTR her similarly (slut or not) and/or be upset if he's reluctant? Sure. It is the same as RPers who have warning lights start blaring when a girl is making them work for the same thing that she was giving away for free to other guys before (namely, sex). As a man, if I encounter this in a woman I will immediately next them. Sure maybe she was just "young and stupid" and now she's "ready to settle down" and all that. Or maybe she has me slotted for BB. To me avoiding the latter is far more important. I wouldn't blame women for basically doing the same to guys t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 01:18 AM
1	Whats worse to be, a physically unattractive redpiller or a physically unattractive bluepiller? Well the thing about men's SMV is it's not set in stone and it's not dependent only, or even mostly, on looks. If a guy is not that good looking face-wise but gets jacked and makes money he won't be a 4 physically anymore and he definitely won't be a 4 overall. So I would say the RPer would be better off. An ugly guy with a BP mentality will just accept that women don't like him, not change anything and stay a virgin like a good little beta.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/15 01:12 AM
12	CMV: The marriage rates are decreasing because men aren't stepping up to the plate (when they should be) So no comment on anything in my post? I guess you're right about one thing, you really don't care about convincing anyone. Maybe you should stick to TBP instead of daring people to actually challenge your view.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 11:16 PM
27	CMV: The marriage rates are decreasing because men aren't stepping up to the plate (when they should be) Oh boy this looks like a good one. Of course, we still have many more milestones to achieve: equal pay for equal work Already achieved, paying a woman less for the same work has been illegal for a long time. Feminists just keep spouting this one to prop up the victimhood narrative. ending rape culture "Rape culture" is and has always been a myth. There is no rape epidemic. bringing down the patriarchy What is this supposed to mean? Overthrowing the government and all the big corporations? :/ and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 10:50 PM
2	If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it? omg hawwwtt	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 10:19 PM
4	If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it? That means dread game is a poor example of how TRP "bullies" women into submission, though. It can't be used to make women go out with you or sleep with you when they don't want to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 07:26 PM
3	The difference between "entitled to" and "deserving of." Why are women always the bad guy according to TRP? Nobody's trying to punish anyone by not fucking them, or breaking up with them. Are you saying women are never the bad guy? I agree they aren't always. But I do think they are more often than BPers are willing to admit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 07:20 PM
2	The difference between "entitled to" and "deserving of." Who's deciding the definition of arsehole here? Nobody goes "wow, what an arsehole, I'm going to reward that with sex". They may find other qualities in a person attractive - people are more than one thing at a time - but being an arsehole in and of itself is not what people like about other people. Except for all the women who explicitly state that they find assholes attractive. Personal sexual preferences do not "encourage" anything. Sleeping with someone I want to is as effective at changing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 07:13 PM
15	If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it? You can't dread someone that never responded even a little bit to your advances, though. A woman can't be scared of you leaving if she was never attracted to you in the first place. So if you think dread game can hurt people, you have to admit that the guy using it was somehow attractive enough to establish some kind of relationship with the woman (FWB, dating, w/e) already.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 04:33 AM
14	If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it? So dread game isn't emotional manipulation? Okay great, sounds like more reason to use it to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 04:30 AM
8	If Blue Pills, particularly women, are so disgusted by Red Pill stratagy, why not just not respond to it? The thing is you likely won't be able to tell if someone "sees you as some sort of inferior being" before deciding whether or not to sleep with them. TRP says a lot of appalling shit about women...... on the Internet. Where they're anonymous. Terps likely do not go up to women IRL and say "hi I'm Bob, I think women are children, want to have sex?" It is even part of their strategy to never talk about TRP or out yourself as a member of it IRL. For ONS stand purposes there would be no way to tell …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 04:27 AM
7	The difference between "entitled to" and "deserving of." Like someone else said I usually see the guys that actually get girls acting more bitter when rejected and more entitled overall. The incel guys I know might ask a girl out but if she says no they won't dare ask again, and more importantly it discourages them from trying again with other girls. Whereas some guys I know, and these are the guys that actually have sex lives, they will get very upset when rejected, will try multiple times with the same girl, and if they are ultimately still rejected…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 04:06 AM
14	CMV: The Red Pill's views on feminism is outdated. Except that these people are actually listened to and taken seriously by society. See: The denial of due process, adoption of kangaroo courts, and trial-by-media that has taken place regarding rape allegations on college campuses. If modern feminists were actually an impotent fringe that no one listened to--like, y'know, TRP--I probably wouldn't have such a huge beef with them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 03:28 AM
7	Blue Pillers: Why is the TRP strategy on LMRs wrong? Seriously? "Power through" is not and has never been the advice. I'm sure you could find a few nutjobs saying it's a good idea in TRP, a lot of genuinely stupid shit does get said there. But it's definitely not the advice of the majority of them regarding LMR, and actually is advised against trying because you're setting yourself up for a rape accusation or retroactive withdrawal of consent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 03:24 AM
9	CMV: The Red Pill's views on feminism is outdated. Anything I criticize about feminism is going to be something I have heard people say or seen people do under its guise. For example rape hysteria, this is clearly not an issue from 30 years ago that is still getting beaten as a dead horse. Whether or not the things I criticize line up with shit that was written before I was born, I neither really know nor care. I doubt many of today's self-identified "feminists" have read any of the older feminist literature either, more likely they just run wit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 01:35 AM
7	Blue Pillers: Why is the TRP strategy on LMRs wrong? What do you think the TRP advice is? "Power through" and just keep taking her clothes off because no means yes?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 01:21 AM
12	There aren't enough marriageable men in America for women In addition to the concrete factors discouraging marriage, I would say there is a dearth of quality in women regarding personality as well. It is truly rare for me to find a woman that I actually enjoy talking to for the sake of the conversation itself. Most have nothing interesting to say whatsoever, and it is a chore to sustain conversations with them for more than 15-20 minutes (if even that).	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/15 12:58 AM
1	Generally speaking, does society treat male or female victims of infidelity worse, equal? You are absolutely right in sensing this. I think it stems from the differences between male and female attraction. Since a woman's attractiveness is not based on personal qualities, but almost solely on appearance, it does not matter very much to men that she got cheated on in the past. For women however status and other non-physical traits are very important, so a man being cheated on implies he was lacking in that area in some way. It's like the opposite of pre-selection, women will be more a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 11:52 PM
4	Why do "Red Pill" men think hypergamy is an exclusively female imperative? Victim blaming is a pretty heinous offense to me. Sensing hostility? That's probably why. The type of man that would blame someone for being abused is the type of man I have no time for. If you are one of those men, consider this more than a basic disagreement. We have no reason to continue communicating. There are some things I can 'debate' on and blaming abuse victims for their plight is NOT one of them. Okay but we don't even know what you mean when you refer to "abuse victims," except perhap…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 09:48 PM
2	Why do "Red Pill" men think hypergamy is an exclusively female imperative? Yes that's what TRP argues - an absolutist philosophy about women which is the only reason it would even be practiced as a philosophy and AWALT is the entire basis of it. No it's not. I understand why you'll continue to insist that it is, since taking statements as absolutist makes them easy to "disprove," but unfortunately that's a strawman argument no matter how much you might wish otherwise. A few counter-examples don't disprove the existence of a general trend.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 07:23 PM
4	Why do "Red Pill" men think hypergamy is an exclusively female imperative? That's like saying a kicked kitten has agency just like a regular protected kitten. These women have been thrown to the metaphorical wolves (i.e. the alpha man), and I've seen the negative affects these types of abusive men have on the female pscyhe. Okay, now you're comparing men and women to wolves and kittens. That's implying that men have some kind of overwhelming power over a woman's psyche which she is helpless to resist, so it is the man's responsibility to exercise his power benevolently…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 07:18 PM
1	Do you think TRP will move past PUA "founders" like RooshV? Or do you think this has already started happening? As far as I can remember TRP has always advocated actually getting jacked, actually getting money, etc., instead of just faking those things. So I guess I don't think TRP has ever needed to "move past" PUA they kind of already started past it. But the two will always have some interaction since they have similar goals. Most RPers for example don't seem to have a problem with trying to project an image of status through PUA tactics to help you get laid in the short term. Actually making it at som…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 07:06 PM
20	Do BPers unknowingly measure men by the same scale as TRPers? Ad hom attacks have been a standard weapon in the SJW repertoire since, well, ever. I can't remember the number of times I've been dismissed on the basis of "well you're just saying this because you're probably a bitter virgin neckbeard loser, if you had a life you wouldn't hate women LOL." One of the go-to responses when someone doesn't have a substantive argument to make but still wants to make it clear how much they despise you :/	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 05:57 PM
11	Blue Pillers: Why is the TRP strategy on LMRs wrong? That's not the TRP advice though. Shaming the woman or bugging her about it repeatedly ("come on! it'll be fun!" and such) is not the preferred approach and actually will probably screw you over if you try it. The advice is to just de-escalate smoothly and stop all sexual activity for the time being, and see if you get another chance later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 04:45 PM
4	Why do "Red Pill" men think hypergamy is an exclusively female imperative? For me I treat women more as humans now than when I was still plugged in. The thing about humans is that they are fundamentally self-interested and often engage in shitty behavior. That element is missing when guys think of women as mystical creatures who can do no wrong. Also, beta guys by definition are not the ones that keep the girl. If a man keeps the girl while another man could not, the former is the alpha and the latter is the beta.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 03:53 PM
7	Why do "Red Pill" men think hypergamy is an exclusively female imperative? In my opinion, TRP strategy works on low self esteem females. That's why I don't say it 'never works' because I have met women who think getting bullied is normal in a relationship. Unfortunately, girls like that haven't built strong self esteem and/or are just naturally submissive people, and TRP men exploit them for their own gain. Also note that you're implying female hypo-agency here. Are these women that are supposedly being taken advantage of, not individuals who are responsible for their …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 03:28 PM
1	Why do "Red Pill" men think hypergamy is an exclusively female imperative? Yea that's the usual absolutist argument, taking "women won't marry down" as a statement meant to be 100% true for every woman ever. This is not the case. Obviously, there are exceptions. It's meant to describe a general trend and therefore what you can expect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 02:55 PM
3	Why do "Red Pill" men think hypergamy is an exclusively female imperative? Not much point in arguing a positive claim ("women marry lower SMV men all the time") that there isn't a lot of clear data or empirical analysis on, both sides are just going to stick to their pre-conceived biases. If TRP "works" on even a subsect of the population then you're already giving it a lot more credit than most of its critics >_> I mean if it is accurate for even say, 20% of the people out there, that means you can apply TRP and get laid on average 1 out of 5 attempts. That's pretty m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 07:15 AM
2	Why do "Red Pill" men think hypergamy is an exclusively female imperative? Well TRP extends the same principle to ONS as well as marriage. Dating, casual sex, marriage, in all cases women will still attempt to sleep up, or date up, or marry up, or etc. Again, according to TRP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 07:11 AM
9	Why do "Red Pill" men think hypergamy is an exclusively female imperative? Well according to TRP no men do not marry women that are more attractive than they are. TRP holds that women will not marry down, i.e. they will not marry a man with lower SMV than them. But, regarding male hypergamy, sure. This is just another "but guys do it too!" argument. No one denies that men engage in the same shitty behaviors women do. That's the difference, men don't deny it. TRP is explicitly about sexual strategy for males so the case of male hypergamy is not relevant to them. If you …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 06:40 AM
11	The formerly undecided: Which side did you choose in the end? This. If SJWs and the like could have an honest conversation about gender differences, acknowledging that inequality runs both ways among the sexes--that some things in life are harder for guys than for girls--then maybe I would stay blue pill. But instead I found that I got shamed and name-called for even trying to talk about it, which really pissed me off. It was a mentality of either toe the feminist line completely or you're a misogynist no ifs ands or buts, that's what turned me off.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 06:31 AM
12	Redpill guys looking for LTRs/marriage: how do you feel about a woman who wants to wait to have sex? No, once she has had casual sex you should be suspicious if she wants to wait to have sex with you specifically. Sex in LTR =/= casual sex. I'd also assume a certain amount of partners before it starts to be a problem, for example I could probably get over it if a girl had a couple ONS but only a couple and they were years ago. A girl with a double digit casual partner count on the other hand, not so much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 06:26 AM
3	Redpillers who used to be feminists: how did you change your mind? Well, I've been told it did and it's a goal I could get on board with (as I think most reasonable people could). If you think it "never meant that," that's just more evidence of why I ended up disdaining feminism, the meaning of the word is too malleable. SJWs twist the definition into whatever they want it to be in order to serve their agenda.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 06:20 AM
10	Redpillers who used to be feminists: how did you change your mind? Changed my mind when the definition of the word changed. Let's not forget that at one point feminism meant equality of opportunity for both sexes. Now it means completely different things: Such as equality of outcomes, or even preferential treatment for women at the expense of men. The cases where men accused of rape were denied due process and tried in the court of public opinion instead was the nail in the coffin for me. If feminism can reclaim its original purpose of equality of opportunity, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 03:06 AM
6	Redpill guys looking for LTRs/marriage: how do you feel about a woman who wants to wait to have sex? If I am fairly convinced she really does have a very low partner count or is a virgin then I will be willing to wait because that shows that she takes sex seriously no matter who it's with. The more common situation where RPers are averse to waiting is when the chick has banged dudes on a first (or even second, or third) date before, had FWBs, etc., but all of a sudden with you she "wants to wait." I will not put up with that for one second. If I know you have fucked guys within 3 dates before a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/15 03:00 AM
5	Simplified guidlines, personal information leaks, doxxing, and more. Pro-MRA slant? Okay, I'll admit it, you got me. You had me going up until there. Nice one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/15 02:24 PM
6	Question for both sides as a non-TRPer and non-BPer. Yea, respect the method of arguing; not necessarily accept its points.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/15 02:44 AM
6	Question for both sides as a non-TRPer and non-BPer. That's not what he said. :/	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/15 01:52 AM
1	Question for both sides as a non-TRPer and non-BPer. Sure, they were wrong..... they were proved wrong using gasp facts and logic. The very things you're trying to characterize as insignificant. :p	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/15 01:51 AM
1	Why are women so involved in the redpill lifestyle? TRP is about the sexual aspect of it specifically. If you were looking for a concept of manhood in a world devoid of women that would be MGTOW. If you want all of it together it's the "manosphere."	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/15 01:34 AM
7	Simplified guidlines, personal information leaks, doxxing, and more. You claimed PPD is somehow a RP safe haven (because apparently mods don't delete their supposed circle jerking posts). I'm saying if that were true BPers wouldn't be able to come in here and argue with them. A "safe space" would actually be a sub like r/feminism or w/e where you can get casually banned for disagreeing with the sub's predominant narrative.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/15 01:27 AM
6	Simplified guidlines, personal information leaks, doxxing, and more. You're trolling right? "A safe haven for RPers?" You do realize BPers can come in here and call out RP viewpoints whenever they want? If they prefer to stay in their own sub (where they are officially permitted to circlejerk, I should note) rather than actually confront the people they mock, that's fine, but don't pretend that it's the result of some kind of mod-conspiracy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/15 12:38 AM
1	Simplified guidlines, personal information leaks, doxxing, and more. Sounds like the classic accusations that the news media has a "liberal bias" because it doesn't match the conservative narrative 100%.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/02/15 12:33 AM
4	How do you think the average redpiller looks like? Could always consult that r/facesoftheredpill sub if it weren't private :p	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 11:25 PM
-1	Question for both sides as a non-TRPer and non-BPer. Yea I actually got into the whole "pillz" thing through TBP first, posting there and reading their shit. I'm probably still subscribed to the sub. But I got bored of it pretty quick and haven't gone back there in months now precisely because it just wasn't that entertaining. I mean there was clever stuff sometimes, but the majority of it isn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 10:06 PM
2	Question for both sides as a non-TRPer and non-BPer. Circle jerking isn't productive. Actually arguing takes a lot more critical thinking and will go a lot farther towards helping you understand logic and the concepts surrounding it than the vast majority of other leisure activities. I consider it more productive than a lot of entry-level college classes, for example, in terms of actually gaining useful knowledge.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 10:04 PM
-1	Question for both sides as a non-TRPer and non-BPer. You can observe this effect in studying opinion formation and maintenance in politics as well. For the majority of the population they are never willing to actually debate politics and allow their beliefs to be seriously challenged. They prefer to avoid the subject in person, and when engaging with political media, they tune in to whatever channel supports their particular bias (Fox, MSNBC, whatever) and just ignore dissenting sources of information. This is basically what BPers do in their sub,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 09:30 PM
2	Why do Bluepillers object so stridently sexual realpolitik? It does beat the alternative of getting ignored in the "normal" dating scene though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 09:20 PM
1	CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships. I don't, most of them probably couldn't be paid to. What I'm saying is that they assume I'm trying to fuck them (again regardless of whether or not I actually am), and that changes their perception of me and how they act towards me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 08:05 PM
1	CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships. It's not my choice though. By definition a platonic friendship must be platonic from both sides. If the girl is coming into with a pre-conceived feeling that there is a sexual element, it's not going to be a platonic relationship, regardless of how I approach or think about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 07:35 PM
2	CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships. Sure, females that you associate with through circumstance aren't going to make that assumption, because you have a clear and vested reason to be around them (working at the same place for example). I would consider those to be female acquaintances personally. As soon as you do anything outside that framework, though, like asking a girl if she wants to get coffee, she's going to assume it's a date of some kind. That's why I don't think you can truly be platonic friends with a girl in the same wa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 06:52 PM
1	CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships. I agree it's sad but it's also not my fault. 9/10 girls (probably more) that I interact with work under the assumption that I am trying to fuck them or get with them in some way, and that perception changes how they interact with me compared to how they would in a truly platonic situation. Whether I actually have any such intentions or not is irrelevant, the thought is always going to be there in the back of their head. Just how it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 06:16 PM
1	Red Pillers: To what extent do you care what women actually want or think? But whenever anyone has acted super alpha around me, I've only been repulsed and disgusted. I am usually much more attracted to people who intellectually engage me, and are often soft- but well-spoken. Doubt it. Odds are that in reality a guy has to meet your minimum standards of height, weight and facial aesthetics and then if he's "intellectually engaging" he might get a chance. You choose to only emphasize that last part because it paints your habits in a positive light. Now, according to the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 06:09 PM
1	CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships. Good for you? I don't see that relates to my comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 05:43 PM
4	If women are most attractive at age 20, explain the immense popularity of "MILF" porn. MILFs are women that are still very attractive despite their age. Most girls will not still look that good in their 40's. Also, it's porn i.e. fantasy escapism. A lot of guys might jack off to a hot mom, or even be willing to fuck one if they somehow got the chance IRL, but wouldn't LTR a woman 10 to 20 years older than them. Usually younger girls are more highly desired for LTRs due to other qualities than just the fact that they are attractive (though that is definitely part of it), a sense of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 04:36 PM
5	CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships. A guy acting RP is going to be far more interesting to a girl than a guy who is a doormat or clearly worshiping the ground she walks on. You're going to come off as a lot more playful and "fun" to a chick when it's clear that you don't care what she thinks or about whether or not you get to fuck her (outcome independence). A girl can't even ask a guy she just fucked to walk her to her car without it being perceived as some kind of shit test. Women have themselves to thank for this. They have don…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 04:23 PM
10	CMV: TRP's rigid doctrines and strategies suck all the fun out of male-female relationships. Except that the pattern is usually guy gets broken up with, feels like he got a raw deal, then goes to TRP. They get bitter only after girls shit on them, not the other way around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 08:19 AM
2	How do you feel about Lena Dunham? Do you look up to her? She's a "voice" for "my generation" only in the sense that she is a case study of a lot of the things wrong with it. False rape accusations, fat acceptance, considers her life to be way more interesting and important than it actually is, gendered double standards that are highly favorable to females (can you imagine her being able to publish that shit about her sister if she were a male?), trying to play the oppressed/victim card while actually being incredibly privileged, the list goes on. Most…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/02/15 01:07 AM
3	how badly has this sub been invaded by red pill men? seems like 80% of the posters.. Maybe the bluepers got tired of losing arguments? :p If terps are as dumb as they say, debating on this sub should give them a gold mine of stupid quotes from RPers to post as outrage porn on TBP. Yet that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe they do use stuff from PPD and make fun of it, I'll admit to not reading TBP enough to really be sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/15 11:47 PM
6	Why RedPillers will simultaneously say it's easier to be a woman and that they wouldn't wave a magic wand and be a woman. Okay, without even reading the OP yet (I will but I doubt it will change my mind), just going to say I would definitely consider waving a magic wand and becoming female. Not becoming transgender, because then you are not female, you are trans MtF which is still not the same thing. I mean going back in time and having been born female. Not saying I would definitely do it, but I would consider it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/15 11:41 PM
0	The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems. Yea just throwing out what I feel like BPes might say :p	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/15 11:36 PM
2	Do you think at fault divorce should still exist? The same just without alimony (or with altered rules for how it's handled). I don't have a beef with marriage or religion, only the part where you're vowing that you're going to be together forever when, unless you actually are deeply religious, you probably won't be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/15 06:10 AM
3	I'm a feminist man who thinks that TRP actually gives good advice for heterosexual men Everything you said right here is super basic shit that I figured out by myself in high school. I can point to dozens of blogs and pop culture icons in today's society that say this stuff. Is "don't get taken advantage of" really such a rare piece of advice that you need to venture through the depths of TRP to find it? When you just say "don't get take advantage of" in general, sure no one would disagree with that. In real life situations don't present themselves in such simplistic terms. If you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/15 03:57 AM
3	I'm a feminist man who thinks that TRP actually gives good advice for heterosexual men I dunno if LGBT is really a women's issue but anyways. I've seen very little if any trans/gay hate on TRP. Mostly it is just completely ignored and not talked about, and if for whatever reason it comes up a lot of the sentiment is that it's just outside the purview of TRP so they have no comment on it. I have no doubt that there are some homophobics among TRP though since it does attract some people who are ultra-conservatives in general. Also note that the alpha/beta dichotomy is not a black-an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/15 03:53 AM
3	The Red Pill teaches men to blame themselves for all of their problems. --If a girl turns you down it's not your fault. She is a HB6 but she fucked Chad Thundercock one time so she thinks she's an HB9. Her standards are too high bro. --If you say something stupid or piss somebody off it's probably just because of the oppressive PC language-policing culture we live in. Guys should be able to speak their minds freely even if it offends girls so good on you. --If your girlfriend or plate or whatever gets upset with you over something just hold your grou--erm your frame…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/15 01:43 AM
5	Do you think at fault divorce should still exist? I think there is a case for at-fault divorce when one party cheated (as in committed adultery) and there is hard evidence which proves it (or they just confess to it). But really it's more practical to just do away with the whole "bound for life" nonsense instead. Make marriage a purely civic institution, with no impressions that the woman (or man) cannot or will not leave as soon as they become unhappy, and let the religious sorts have a separate ceremony if they really want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/15 01:30 AM
6	Why is every women's/feminist sub a "safe space"? A direct request for oral sex is not catcalling. Even if you think it is, the guy's knife was the dangerous element. The two don't necessarily go together (and almost never do, as evidenced by the fact that this story was news-worthy because they did in this particular instance). Nice try though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/02/15 01:22 AM
6	Why is every women's/feminist sub a "safe space"? Sure except for the part where 2x has over 2 million subs to TRP's 100k, and 2x is only one of the various women's/feminist subs. I mean terps are a bigger share of the population on reddit than in real life, that is true, but they're still in the minority by far, and overwhelmingly shouted down any time they venture outside their own sub. I would hardly say they pose some kind of threat that needs to be guarded against.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 10:36 PM
8	Why is every women's/feminist sub a "safe space"? If women want sympathy for their plight they really need to put forward something more plight-like than catcalling.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 10:28 PM
8	Why is every women's/feminist sub a "safe space"? Oh boy terps and meras, sounds like society is really out to get women. Because we know that those two groups are mainstream, with membership in the millions, and not considered fringe at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 10:18 PM
6	Why is every women's/feminist sub a "safe space"? Lol. Being a woman is a badge of honor when you're on the Internet if anything. Probably not so much in this sub or certain others (r/foreveralone comes to mind) but still, being one of the few female participants in a male dominated space is going to get you lots of positive attention and it's pretty disingenuous to sit there and try to play dumb about it. I've seen multiple times people on forums pretend to be girls who actually weren't just because they knew how it would change perceptions of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 10:11 PM
1	What do you think these "tactics" mean/entail? Lol. I'm not arguing against TRP I'm making fun of bluepers who intentionally misrepresent it by saying stuff like this. Since the topic seemed to ask "what do bluepers think these TRP words mean?"	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 10:04 PM
6	Why is every women's/feminist sub a "safe space"? The "safe space" term helps perpetuate their victimhood/oppressed/persecuted narrative. Feminists need to sustain the impression that they are an unjustly oppressed movement struggling against a paytreearkee which wants to see them silenced, even if their views have actually become more mainstream than the outdated ones they rail against.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 10:01 PM
0	What do you think these "tactics" mean/entail? I'm not saying this is what TRP actually advocates, obviously it doesn't. I'm being sarcastic, citing the caricatures of RP advice I've seen put forward by BPers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 06:27 AM
4	Camille Paglia on women taking responsibility video. Yea pretty much any woman is able to pick up on what's going on in these situations. I mean sure, I'm willing to accept that you're dumb, but not that dumb. Probably there are the few chicks that are genuinely clueless, but only a few. I find it far more likely that these girls get into these situations and then start having second thoughts after they've already been sending positive signals, or they do it with mixed feelings and regret it afterwards. They play dumb or cry rape to absolve themse…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 04:59 AM
0	TBP does not "dox" people Insidious RedPill propaganda?! Right here in our very backyard? Apparently it's more likely than you think :p	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 03:30 AM
1	What do you think these "tactics" mean/entail? Go monk mode--Drop all your friends, no matter how important to you, because they are losers and betas that will hold you back (although some RPers do think you should drop "beta" friends IIRC) Dread game--Explicitly tell girls that they have to do whatever you want or it's game over LMR--Like someone else said, "power through" and just keep taking her clothes off because no means yes	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 03:09 AM
1	If someone is horribly betrayed by their SO, does your attitude toward the victim change depending on their gender? I'm sure I would be more biased towards my own gender after reading all this pillz stuff every day, as in if there's a breakup and both sides are pointing fingers about who was the "worse" SO I'd obviously have more empathy with the guy. But cheating is different, I've never considered that to be ok for guys to do pretty much regardless of the circumstances, I don't think I would be biased there. I do think society in general tends to be biased towards women, and have seen it in action in my own…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/02/15 02:54 AM
1	How accurate is this adage at describing a difference in sexuality for men and women? Lines up with what I've observed, dead bedrooms 101 imo.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/15 09:33 PM
10	What do you think of this article?: 'Feminism has been hijacked by white middle-class women' Western liberal white feminists are disingenuous. More news at 6.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/15 09:25 PM
1	What are TRP's standards for truth? (Also an experiment) A good standard for "truth" might be the likelihood of eliciting responses such as "I've always inherently known this," "there's real truth to it," or "I just know it in my gut." If you feel like saying one of these after reading it then it's most likely to be 100% certified alpha realness. Another good one is whether or not you can reason out that people might have behaved in this certain way back when they were still cavemen millions of years ago (making the claim into an undeniable bio-truth)…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/15 09:01 PM
1	About taking a captain, leader role in marriage Seriously? Cannot tell if post is troll or serious. I've lived with 2 girls during my life and both have been slobs whose messes I had to continuously clean up or otherwise cope with. I'm slight OCD and can't stand to have someone else buying my groceries, arranging my personal space, etc. Men can and do take care of their homes to the same extent women do, millions of single guys keep their places clean all by themselves. Additionally, your assertion that womynz should stick to home-making is i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/15 06:59 PM
7	Why are there no progress posts on TRP? Except that BPers have actually doxxed before. :/	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/15 01:12 AM
22	Why are there no progress posts on TRP? My suspicion is that many more TRPers don't actually lift or do all of the prescribed stuff than would be willing to admit it. Doxxing is also a valid point though. They are one of the most hated subs after all, so prominent members of the board should be legitimately concerned by the possibility.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/02/15 01:11 AM
1	If TRP doesn't work, what's you method? Yep, and all this time you spend worrying about getting casual pussy and/or chasing it you could be spending furthering yourself in a career or area of study leading to a career. This is exactly what I'm talking about. The choice is yours. As I said, that's just RP advice made to sound nicer. One of the core principles of attraction according to TRP and other manosphere viewpoints is power/$$$, along with appearance and game. TRP advises men to keep their shit together financially and try for a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/15 06:25 PM
2	Would you sleep with a trans person? Never. I don't have anything against trans people but it would just weird me out too much personally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/15 03:21 PM
1	Common courtesy to women is shit-testing to see if you're low-value. High-value men don't act that way to women. Well the way things are now, you should never do something stereotypically "courteous" like holding a car door open for a girl. This will get you labeled a nice guy which is lights out for your romantic prospects. And this is one part of feminism which makes sense anyways, I mean if girls are equals, they can open doors for themselves. It is a shit test because it identifies nice guys and other betas who girls do not want to date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/15 03:05 PM
1	Dreadgame. Yea I mean that is pretty blatant dread game.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/15 03:38 AM
1	If TRP doesn't work, what's you method? There are plenty of good people out there who are boring, uninspiring, or who just don't try to go above and beyond the status quo in any way. Be someone who does something important, who has something unique to offer to the world, and both men and women will want to spend time in your company. Great, but that's incredibly vague. "Be a valuable person" is not that much different or more useful than "be a good person." Additionally, you do realize that one of the most universally accepted ways of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/02/15 03:25 AM
2	Dreadgame. You'd have to say which specific things you mean since it looks like there is a lot in that thread. "Forgetting" to respond to texts I would count as dread, yes. However one guy said "ignore her for several days" which I would say goes even further than dread game, that is called a "freeze-out" and not something you want to just randomly do as I understand it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 11:45 PM
1	what percentage of American woman are datable? Expanding on #2 in a LTR the girl MUST be able to entertain herself and do her own thing, for extended periods of time when necessary. A common pattern I see in relationships and which I had to fight against every day in mine is for the girl to become extremely dependent upon you for conducting even basic day-to-day business. She has to see you every day, preferably be with you most of the day, do as many activities as possible together and counts on you to pay attention to her and provide her w…	/r/TheRedPill	15/02/15 11:01 PM
4	If TRP doesn't work, what's you method? No. You misunderstand what I mean when I talk about making yourself into a valuable human being. I don't just mean self-improvement. I mean developing qualities that serve society and your community as a whole, not just you. When you aspire to something higher than your own, personal desires, then you become someone worth being with and someone worth being around. So the idea is to be a good person, and then sex/relationships will just magically happen on their own? Pretty standard feminist narr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 10:14 PM
1	Dreadgame. I dunno what to do if you're trying to create anti-dread, where the girl is sure you would never leave her. Never heard of anyone trying to do that before. But just saying over and over that nothing will happen, like you said you are doing, is probably a good start.....	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 07:55 PM
7	If TRP doesn't work, what's you method? "Make yourself someone worth being with" is exactly what TRP says to do. This is the goal of the most common advice "read and lift." That's not some kind of a magical alternative, it's the exact same thing just re-packaged in PC terms. Lastly, you mention that BPers are often just guys who, for whatever reason, don't see casual sex as a priority. Well, yeah, obviously. That's most confident, purposeful people. Only those who are either lazy or lacking in self-esteem spend their lives chasing ins…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 07:53 PM
6	If TRP doesn't work, what's you method? Expanding your options to women who are fat or very unattractive is NOT going to increase your dating pool twentyfold. Probably not even by half. TRP doesn't have a problem with fucking girls that have been sluts (or still are), it just says don't LTR them, so that's not something they have a "block" on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 07:09 PM
9	Dreadgame. If you make it obvious that you're consciously trying to create such an image and only doing it to get what you want, then yes, it will fail since it will be obvious that it's artificial. The trick is to make it seem (or have it actually be) effortless and unintentional.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 06:16 PM
3	If TRP doesn't work, what's you method? Sure there are plenty of different kinds of PUA but I lump it all in as manosphere-related dating/sexual strategies. I'm not saying TRP specifically is better than PUA or something, I agree that would be much too difficult to measure. I just think they're going to be more effective than basically anything a typical feminist would tell you (including "feminist-approved PUA" advice). I'll give you the relationship caveat though. That's kind of a different animal since LTRs generally come with a lo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 05:38 AM
1	I'm a Gorean, AMA. It was rhetorical.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 03:21 AM
11	If TRP doesn't work, what's you method? BPers don't have an alternative because there isn't one. There is an alternative way to live your life, alternative ways to behave, etc., sure, but not alternatives that will get you laid just as much. This is why BPers tend to be guys who, through luck of circumstance, genetics, etc., have been able to get action without having to make any conscious changes, or guys who just don't consider getting laid to be a priority.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 03:20 AM
1	I'm a Gorean, AMA. Are you trolling?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 03:18 AM
1	What advice do you have for the average Indian male looking to improve his place in the dating game? I'm not Indian but I would say the biggest factor for them is to get money. If you have the allure of a provider you will be able to draw interest based on that. Unfortunately the dating market in general and especially the hookup/casual sex scene seems unbelievably harsh to Indian men in the US so as another poster said I honestly just don't think you have much of a shot at getting women that are still "riding the carousel." Making yourself into "LTR" material I think would be a better angle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/02/15 02:41 AM
3	What do you think of feminists who try to undermine science as a source for knowledge? Nothing new honestly, it's well documented at this point how much feminist advocacy groups have fudged statistics to support their rape-hysteria agenda. 1 in 4 women on college campuses? Sure, women at U.S. colleges are being raped at the same rate as women living in African nations where rape is employed as a tool of war. It's an absurd figure under even a little bit of scrutiny but it's been parroted in the media for years now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/15 11:52 PM
2	What do you think of feminists who try to undermine science as a source for knowledge? This is why it's such a shame that people have been allowed to co-opt the word "feminist" and twist it into whatever the hell they want it to mean. If its original goal of equal gender rights (not equal outcomes--equal rights) had been followed more strictly I might still support it. But today there's too much bullshit and I don't think the word can be salvaged. A new term needs to be developed to differentiate old-school feminists from the third wavers (or the terms that already exist just need…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/15 11:13 PM
6	Feminism is not a dating strategy. Trying to force such incredibly vague standards onto people isn't a good solution for racism either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/15 02:01 AM
7	Feminism is not a dating strategy. Feminism cares about you treating women like people not as if their sole purpose is to be sexually appealing. Women want equal rights and treatment (regardless of appearance, race and sexual orientation), not opportunities to date literally every man they find appealing. This is so vague as to be pointless. "Women want to be treated like people?" It is completely un-enforceable, and there are no reliable standards what so ever by which it could be measured. There is no way to prove whether a man…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 09:33 PM
1	How is reading or interacting in PPD benefiting you? Alleviation of boredom primarily. Nice to look at during breaks from homework or w/e.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 08:55 PM
1	What attracts people to TBP/feminism? All women should be innately attracted to feminism as it argues not only for protection of their rights, but even expansion of those rights into exclusive gender-based privileges. For example the introduction of guilty-until-proven-innocent standards regarding rape. That is a serious amount of power for a woman to have over her sexual partners and something men just don't have an equivalent for. Who wouldn't want to be favored by society as much as possible? As to men supporting feminism it's ju…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 08:49 PM
2	Are you BP/TRP because of psychological baggage/shitty self-image, or because you actually believe there's legit issues to be had I had more psychological baggage and a worse self-image when I still bought into the BP narratives. I thought because girls gave me nothing, not even a conversation (never mind sex) there must be something wrong with me. Now I know better. As for lobbying around a legitimate social issue, I would say neither though I lean toward MRAs. The important difference between feminism today and feminism of the past is that today it is all about perceived injustices (people not being sensitive enough to h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 08:39 PM
2	Thoughts on this story from r/confessions? It's made up. "Chinky little slut?" Come on now. If the guy really behaved the way this girl describes then I don't think she should feel too bad for robbing him. I don't have much sympathy for someone who lets an obviously desperate teenager stay in their hotel room and leaves their wallet out with hundreds of dollars in it. Again, pretty sure it's made up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 07:29 PM
6	Feminism is not a dating strategy. Absolute chastity, sure, no one really expects to be dating a virgin anymore. But you get into double-digit N-counts while the guy has only had 2 or 3 sexual partners? Yes guys do care at that point. Not all of them I'm sure but a lot do, even if they won't admit it in mixed company.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 05:42 PM
3	Feminism is not a dating strategy. Feminism clearly aims to affect the SMP and the behaviors that take place within it so it does relate to sexual/dating strategies, whether its advocates want it to or not. I don't see how you can tout a mindset with terms like "sex positive" but claim that there's no elements of sexual strategy involved.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 05:35 PM
0	Why are the majority of posts linked on TheBluePill fringe posts with little upvotes? Sure but that's only one example. If you look at all of human history, and all regions of the world (instead of only the liberal west) there are quite a lot of counter-examples. For example in Middle Eastern countries where women must still cover their bodies head-to-toe. It hardly seems conclusive that this preference for egalitarianism is somehow innate in us.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 03:47 PM
12	Feminist lies or did you need spoon-feeding? Are TRPers/struggling guys victims of "bad dating advice" or their own stupidity? I don't blame feminists only for the "be a nice guy" and "just be yourself" lies. That advice is pretty mainstream and a lot of people who don't identify as feminists will still say things like that. However feminist advice does generally boil down to "treat women with respect" (translation: be a nice guy) and in my experience feminists will almost always defend the "just be yourself" stuff if it comes up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 03:40 PM
0	Why are the majority of posts linked on TheBluePill fringe posts with little upvotes? Except that throughout human history "stronger" groups have overpowered weaker groups to a gross extent (slavery, Jim Crow, etc.) and it's taken thousands of years to get to a point in Western society where that's no longer considered the norm. Just 100 years ago the TRP "captain/first mate" model would be considered mainstream.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 03:05 PM
0	TRPers, which percentage your comments here are just saying/clarifyin what TRP is rather than justifying the principles or having the moral argument? Not very many. I'm willing to just say "yea I don't like that part either" about some things (such as the RPers who say cheating is okay), and flat-out ignore/not respond to the more absurd claims such as "doesn't TRP advocate rape though?"	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 04:43 AM
12	Why are the majority of posts linked on TheBluePill fringe posts with little upvotes? Oh for sure. I actually stopped reading and posting on TBP because of this. If it was intelligent satire I'd be down with that but the cherrypicking and such is just way too blatant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 03:00 AM
8	Is Bluepill/Feminist Dating Advice the same thing as "Nice Guy (TM)," only in a more insidious way? Exactly the advice being called out by this topic. "Getting laid isn't important so long as you feel good about yourself!" When in reality putting yourself first is no reason to go to sleep with a guilty conscience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 02:56 AM
5	Is Bluepill/Feminist Dating Advice the same thing as "Nice Guy (TM)," only in a more insidious way? You hit the nail on the head. This is one of my beefs with feminism, rewards are promised when the reality is that none will follow. "Being a better person is its own reward! You'll be happier!" and such.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 02:53 AM
1	CMV: 50 Shades is more true-to-life than not. I think if you tone parts of it down (like Gray's outrageous wealth) then yea it really is analogous to what a lot of women experience--the alpha who they actually look forward to having sex with, but don't want to admit it to themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/02/15 02:28 AM
3	Women are incapable of empathizing with men or male needs/desires Yea I get that it's a turn off. I don't have a problem with that. I just have an issue with people who hold women and men to different standards on the topic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 09:41 PM
4	Why is it okay for women to put men on pedestals but not okay for men to put women on pedestals. Because men are seen as threatening and predatory while women are seen as innocent and moral. Therefore if a man puts a woman on a pedestal he has an ulterior motive, whereas if a woman puts a man on a pedestal her adoration is genuine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 07:23 PM
2	What do you think of feminist Masha Gessen? I agree, if over half of marriages (which at their inception specifically involve "for life" vows) are just going to end in divorce then get rid of it. There's no point in a "lifelong" contract that is neither going to be enforced nor likely to be actually carried out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 05:04 PM
2	Past, Present and Future with The Red Pill I only "took" the red pill (i.e. subscribed to the sub) a few months ago although I've known about it for longer. I have already had more success with women in those few months though (in the sense of getting girls to hang out with me one-on-one) than the whole 2 years before hand. Before that, I had already done the whole relationship thing and decided it was not all it's cracked up to be, I came to this conclusion long before learning anything about all these pills. The whole dynamic of doing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 04:59 PM
10	Women are incapable of empathizing with men or male needs/desires I've tried to rely on a woman for support. The only woman that's ever genuinely had my back though is my mom. When I cried to my GF and talked to her about my struggles with anxiety and depression, she was very supportive at first but quickly got tired of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 04:55 PM
12	Women are incapable of empathizing with men or male needs/desires Research that actually shows men being more empathetic, even only in special cases, would quickly be marginalized as misogynistic. The rest I will give you though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 04:54 PM
7	Reactions to men killing themselves vs women killing themselves Wait? Are you implying that women and men are actually different and therefore treated differently by society, and that in some cases women are actually treated more favorably compared to men? No way! Women are really the same as men, they're just oppressed. Right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 04:29 PM
16	My Old Coworker Hung Himself Don't get married. Don't have kids. The only weapon you have is your ability to make a clean split at your own discretion. Once that is gone you are fucked.	/r/TheRedPill	12/02/15 04:17 AM
6	Powering through LMR becomes potential assault when it's done in an everyday-threatening way, even if she "can say no any second" The problem with Internet "debates" is there's no investment, nothing on the line from either party. In a live debate if you just stop responding or walk away it's very obvious to anyone watching that you lost. On reddit if someone calls out your bullshit you can just not respond and no one will really notice or care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 03:41 AM
4	Why do Bluepillers/Feminists insist on throwing around the word "entitled"? That is scary rational. I can't find any way to criticize the poor guy or his actions...... notice that out of however many people he must have talked to, not one female offered to go out with him, not even give it a shot. Makes me thank my lucky stars to god I was born white since it means I still have a chance in the dating world. It's ironic that the one area in which "white privilege" really is a thing (relationship viability) is also the one instance of it that feminists/SJWs are likely to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 03:19 AM
5	Why do Bluepillers/Feminists insist on throwing around the word "entitled"? Not true. Really? Most guys will gladly nail girls of their same attractiveness, or even lower, unless they are very low themselves. Why do you think the whole friend-zone/thirsty beta stereotype exists? It's because the demand far outpaces the supply.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 02:51 AM
1	(BP and RP) PUA and the RedPill - What are your conceptions about their relationship? TRP advocates results. So if you doing so-called PUA techniques and getting laid then I don't think many RPers would argue with that. If you're trying them and failing then they'd say, just stop, don't keep doing something that isn't working.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 01:19 AM
5	Powering through LMR becomes potential assault when it's done in an everyday-threatening way, even if she "can say no any second" Gonna go ahead and call bullsmack unless you're willing to actually provide an account of the differences between what the media has "dictated" and the reality of the situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/02/15 01:06 AM
1	Your lifetime earnings are probably determined in your 20s Ah yes the good ol' STEM jobs. Maybe it be STELM? Since I dunno where law falls in STEM. Or maybe it could replace the "M," engineers and the like do have to take math classes but I never hear about people making their careers as mathematicians specifically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 11:41 PM
2	All pills: What do you think of Newton's Third Law in relationships? 'For every action, there is an equal (in size) and opposite (in direction) reaction.' I don't think you can compare the laws of physics to how humans interact in sexual relationships. But I definitely do agree with your point that females' actions often have uncomfortable consequences which they would much prefer to just rationalize away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 11:39 PM
2	"Just be yourself" is solid romantic advice when taken to its logical conclusion. So just be yourself, except for all the parts that could be more attractive, make sure to improve those. So basically, instead of "just be yourself," you should be saying "be more attractive." Hence, "just be yourself" is still misleading at best, downright useless at worst.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 11:37 PM
2	Red Pill, what's one BP thing you've done recently. Blue Pill, what's one RP thing you've done? I asked a chick to get coffee with me tomorrow. There will presumably be no opportunity for us to have sex or do anything really other than talk. I guess that's pretty beta.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 10:28 PM
2	Your lifetime earnings are probably determined in your 20s Yea, how do you reconcile this with grad school? Because studies would also show that having a higher degree results in a higher average income and lower unemployment rate, yet it means you spent less time actually working during your twenties.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 10:25 PM
20	TRP's explosive growth It is a backlash against modern feminism plain and simple. I would say I am more anti-feminist than I am pro-RP. I fall in line more with RP because they are the most vocal critics of feminism that I see currently. I don't agree with every specific thing said on the sub, not nearly, but because I have such a huge beef with feminist narratives I still prefer it to anything "mainstream" which might condone them. The various news stories concerning rape hysteria this year were what really drove to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 10:20 PM
9	What turns women on? Hilarious how harmless this is considered when it's a chick looking at guys, imagine the genders reversed and how "creepy" that would be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 10:14 PM
5	Identity Terps do often ridicule the "special snowflake syndrome," so you can't really make them feel bad for not being individualistic. If being "unique" means you don't get laid then who cares. They're kind of comparing apples and oranges I think, since TRP only cares about results while BP is complaining to them about something that is an abstract concept.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 10:05 PM
2	Powering through LMR becomes potential assault when it's done in an everyday-threatening way, even if she "can say no any second" I agree that no should mean no, even if the girl really means yes. If she actually says "no" or "stop" then just call it off and go home. A standard of "anything commonly perceived as threatening" though is a lot more vague and going to be more difficult to prove. What counts as "threatening" and what does not? There is a lot of room to hamster in there on both sides. I favor a standard of actually saying no unless you have already faced clear physical coercion (i.e. the guy has already pulled a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 08:46 PM
1	What do you think of AFC's getting AMOG'd? That's the thing, by all appearances these guys are "actual decent friends" until suddenly they aren't. Not saying this applies to everyone, but I've seen it enough that I don't give any weight to "I would never do that to you bro!" sentiments.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 07:38 PM
2	What do you think about this article? It's less about forcing girls to fuck nice guys and more about encouraging them not to fuck douchebags. Unless you think guys being assholes isn't bad for society or anyone else, I guess, which is a different argument entirely.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/02/15 07:36 PM
2	Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women? It's a whole different ball game. When you think of "having a backbone" you think of someone facing some kind of direct and obvious opposition, standing up against a hostile interest. In the context of a relationship this is not the case since your SO is not going to seem like a threat to you. If you refuse to do things that your GF has asked you to do, it often gets framed not in terms of having a spine or not, but in terms of being hurtful to her or sensitive to her needs. Holding frame is exa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/15 10:15 PM
3	Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women? This. What I'm saying is I consider it both bizarre and pointless that TRP seriously sits there discussing whether women should be considered children or not. They're not helping the whole "we're not misogynists!" argument with that one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/15 10:10 PM
3	Blue Pillers: After being on here for a while, does TRP seem less extreme than what your first impression of it was or Reddit's general impression of it is? Some legitimately offensive and misogynistic stuff does get posted and upvoted on TRP. I don't see any other way to spin a post which is all about how women are the mental equivalents of children. However I agree that it is not extreme as I was led to believe. I actually saw TBP before the actual sub that it was making fun of, where the most absurd quotes are cherrypicked for ridicule. I was like, how is this TRP sub seriously a thing? So I went there and actually read, surprise surprise, a lot …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/15 10:05 PM
0	Red & Blue Pillers: Is feminism "equal rights and equal treatment under the law", or is it something else? First off thinking women aren't people isn't the same as thinking they are not equal to men. Some RPers might seriously argue women are not people, or not complete individuals in the same sense as males (see the notorious "Women Are Children" post). But the main line of thought isn't that women are sub-human, just that they are different from men and that this should be embraced not denied. Hence why they have such a big beef with egalitarian views. As for feminism, at some point it may have gen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/15 09:59 PM
5	What do you think about this article? Of course society should criticize women when their behavior creates more incentive for people to be selfish jerks. But good luck getting that to happen in the current cultural climate. Any attack on women at all, however justified, is going to get you crucified by SJWs atm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/15 09:52 PM
2	What do you think of AFC's getting AMOG'd? It's easy for guys to say "I would never do that!" when they have no opportunity to do it anyways. Then one actually presents itself and the hamster wheel starts spinning. Not saying this is always the case but I have seen it happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/15 01:24 AM
1	What do you think of AFC's getting AMOG'd? It's less about one guy being too alpha and more about women's standards. They are too afraid of settling for a loser, so as long as they still have contact with the AMOG and see him around they refuse to give anyone less a chance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/15 01:20 AM
6	RP men: ever meet women who seem to agree with your RP ideas? And would you call them "red pill women" or just "smart"? I've talked to girls who were honest about what they were attracted to: "Assholes," older guys, taller guys, guys with money. I guess that fits TRP ideas.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/15 01:02 AM
7	Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women? Yes there are unnecessary and malicious things on TRP. Like you I wish there was a group that could push the useful aspects of the mentality without all that crap. Recognizing shit tests, recognizing what kind of behavior will attract what kind of woman, holding frame, all of that is useful stuff. But things like evo-psych and statements such as "women can't feel true love" are not results-oriented and have no practical use. TRP I think would get less hate if they could focus on results/utility …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/02/15 12:42 AM
1	The Cock Carousel, while an amusing term, misses the mark and needs to be updated. Sorry but cock carousel is just too catchy to discard. "Dick derby" is a good one though I'll try and remember to use it sometimes. "Cock jungle" doesn't have alliteration so nope, good effort though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/15 10:09 PM
5	Like attracts like: Is TRP really only geared towards men chasing stereotypical, awful, shallow women? There are definitely certain types of women that aggressive behavior is more effective with, but I do feel that some RP advice really will apply to any dating/relationship attempts. Holding frame for example. In a lot of LTRs the guy will end up as a doormat just doing whatever the girl asks, whether it's fair or not, just to avoid pissing her off. That is a situation you need to be aware of and know how to avoid. As always it's up to the individual to take what will be useful for them out of th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/15 08:38 PM
2	BP/Feminists: How extensive in society is female attraction to Dark Triad traits? One thing to keep in mind is the type of women you will encounter depending on your life choices. If you are a gangbanger the women you are likely to have access will probably be a lot easier than those on a college campus.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/15 03:24 PM
1	One thing I find a bit off-putting about the Sports Illustrated / #curvesinbikinis stuff is that all three guys are super fit Well I meant ads with models in them, not necessary ads in the actual Victoria's Secret catalogue. I agree though, men do tend to care less about looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/15 03:15 PM
5	Why the Mann Act interferes with bringing men to Nevada's brothels (a continuation of the Free Sex Saturday debate) You don't seem to know what ad hom is. Oh that's a good one. Where you really take it to the next level is, not only do you feel justified in ignoring points because the other guy is a basement-dwelling neckbeard, you don't even have any way of knowing whether he really is or not. You actually think it's fine to just assume it. Keep at it though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/15 03:44 AM
3	Why the Mann Act interferes with bringing men to Nevada's brothels (a continuation of the Free Sex Saturday debate) At least you're honest about the nature of your ad hominem arguments, I'll give you that. What are you even talking about here? Really? I'm talking about the fact that you get labeled a jerk/insensitive, at best, if you tell a girl to "just get over it" when she's whining about something. But of course, when males have problems they want to complain about, the default response is that they need to, y'know, "man up." Considering this double standard comes up in like every other topic on this sub …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/15 03:22 AM
3	All Models Are Wrong: On Why We Need the Redpill The point here is that TRP is filling a gap where no viable alternatives exist for young men, so of course people are attracted to it. If feminist ideals actually led to rewards in exchange for adhering to them this might have been avoided, but they don't. Nice try though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/15 01:32 AM
3	Recovering from helicopter parenting: How to be social and enjoy life after being raised by controlling parents. I agree with the poster who said go ahead and do all those things you always wished you could, but couldn't because of your parents. After I entered college I spent time in bars, went to parties where there was excessive drinking and drugs, went on a couple of road trips, went on a beach vacation with some friends, and went to a strip club a couple of times. I did all of these purely to have the experience and so I can say to myself, I've been there. It's not necessarily even about getting pussy…	/r/TheRedPill	09/02/15 12:57 AM
3	Why I think it's so important to give up porn. I mean if you just think it's unhealthy in general sure, that's one thing. But it's different to tell another guy that if he watches porn, then he therefore MUST be putting pussy on a pedestal as if he has no control over the way he thinks or how it affects him. One of the things often said on this sub is that men do have more control over their thoughts than women.	/r/TheRedPill	09/02/15 12:40 AM
4	Why I think it's so important to give up porn. I don't see why watching porn means you have to suddenly pedestalize women. Personally I always found that watching women voluntarily degrade themselves helped me keep their worth in perspective.	/r/TheRedPill	09/02/15 12:21 AM
0	Thoughts on Rick Owens' 2015 fashion show? Weird guy has models walk around with their schlongs hanging out. Meh, who cares. I lose interest as soon as the word "fashion" appears in the title.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/15 12:11 AM
6	Why the Mann Act interferes with bringing men to Nevada's brothels (a continuation of the Free Sex Saturday debate) I see that the usual double standards are well at work here. lower standards Down to what? Hookers and fat chicks? You are aware that scarcity by necessity will lower people's standards? Most incels would gladly take a completely average looking girl. I have seen guys that were incel for 20+ years and only "broke out" of it by entering a relationship with an overweight girl that no one else would date. actually take care of themselves As usual, the assumption is that if you're a virgin, you must…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/02/15 12:04 AM
26	Guy exposes a cabal of reddit SJWs and their ties to the admins of reddit and creates a watchdog sub. Then the shit hits the fan. Very interesting stuff. I have seen this happen on small websites and forums with more insular communities and only a slow trickle of new members--eventually, one way or another, an admin will end up modding some of his friends. Later, they mod some more people they are friends with, meanwhile the members of the circle who have been around the longest are all becoming admins while the site's original admins are becoming less and less active or retiring their positions completely. Eventually all …	/r/TheRedPill	08/02/15 11:11 PM
3	All Models Are Wrong: On Why We Need the Redpill The example offered was sarcastic. I'm agreeing that feminism has nothing to offer men in regards to dating dynamics--and that's what it "got wrong."	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 09:18 PM
6	All Models Are Wrong: On Why We Need the Redpill Yea, there's not any dating advice in there. That's my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 09:10 PM
8	All Models Are Wrong: On Why We Need the Redpill So what's the feminist version? "Treat women with respect and you'll get laid?" Yeah right.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 03:15 PM
14	All Models Are Wrong: On Why We Need the Redpill Pretty spot on analysis IMO. There is plenty said on TRP which is legitimately dumb, or which I disagree with. Thing is I can go over to whatever feminist sub and find just as much of that if not more. You can cherrypick examples to make any group or movement look absurd. At the end of the day you should decide for yourself which parts of the ideology are applicable to your situation and which ones are not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 03:52 AM
47	All Models Are Wrong: On Why We Need the Redpill Just be yourself and don't change anything about your life and eventually "the right one" will find you. I was actually told this both by family and friends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 03:50 AM
1	Fat-shaming RPers, what do you make of this? I'm only "obsessed" with it within the context of this fat-shaming discussion (and other similar topics). I don't go around mouthing off to everyone about how much it sucks to be short IRL. But when body image (and the common feminist double standards regarding it) comes up as a discussion topic? Yea, it's kind of relevant then.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 03:19 AM
-1	Why should a woman marry early and give away her entire youth to one man if she isn't even sure whether that man is going to be for her during tough times or when she is not young anymore? Not sure what there really is to discuss, this has been done to death at this point. The bottom line is don't get married, and if you do, make sure you are ready for the possibility of divorce. Don't go in without a backup plan. Is that cold calculating heartless etc.? Maybe, but it's also the only smart approach to "marriage"--i.e. an institution which is supposed to be for life, but these days is more often not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 01:26 AM
1	Fat-shaming RPers, what do you make of this? Sure. I just said short guys have to work harder, not that it can't be done. But your response is indicative of the attitude I'm referring to. "Look this short guy can date whoever he wants! Why can't you?" Whereas when women complain about their dating problems, implying that it's their own fault (or that whatever their problem is really isn't a big deal) is generally not the kneejerk response.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 01:00 AM
5	Fat-shaming RPers, what do you make of this? Satin potential? I don't know how height affects that but I do think it negatively affects my SMV. By quite a lot. Feminists might say they want to do away with "toxic gender stereotypes." But how many feminists do you think are willing to actually date a guy who is shorter than they are? Not very many. Parroting egalitarian ideals on reddit and facebook is completely different from doing it in practice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 12:29 AM
1	Fat-shaming RPers, what do you make of this? You're right, "most people in general" is a more accurate descriptor for who doesn't give a shit if a short guy complains. And I'm shorter than that, though not by much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/02/15 12:24 AM
6	Are ugly men and old men the only options a young woman has if she wants to get married? Troll post is troll.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 09:22 PM
3	Fat-shaming RPers, what do you make of this? I have to work extra hard to even get 1 date because of how short I am. That is genetically determined and completely outside of my control, doesn't stop feminists from shaming me if I bring it up. So no I don't feel bad for criticizing fat girls.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 09:21 PM
0	I'm all for fat acceptance, but it should never be about attraction. Yep that's the double standard. If it was applied consistently to both genders--i.e. I have to give fat chicks a chance but at the same time normal-weight girls that don't find me attractive have to go out with me--then maybe we would have something to work with. But you want me to do one without the other? I don't think so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 09:19 PM
2	Raising your boys to be husband material, or, why I hate it when I hear lonely young men get called "entitled" Bullshit on a stick. A girl is upset over something? You need to walk on eggshells around it and make sure to be sensitive to her needs. I get upset over something? Well I should have done this that and the other thing, it's probably my fault. That's how it's been for as long as I can remember. The fact that everyone is so acutely aware of "male privilege" now, and has been for the last decade or two at least, lends credence to its not existing in practice anymore.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 05:12 AM
2	/r/theredpill, scientific illiteracy, and insecurity. Racist? Uh okay. Again, this is the double standard I'm talking about. Critics of TRP think it's okay to dismiss it out of hand as "so ridiculous it's not even worth arguing about" and hurl unfounded insults at it which are justified because "well it's just that dumb." This is not how you go about debating something, so it's not helping your case to do it on a sub that is specifically purposed to debating TRP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 05:06 AM
2	Question for RP men about family and divorce. (Would love to hear BP men's perspectives as well.) The main thing I would emphasize is that she take sex seriously. As in do not sleep around unless she fully understands the consequences (lowered future SMV). And that would be a discussion I'd only have when she was going off to college, if even then. Everything else is pretty w/e, I wouldn't have a problem with my daughter pursuing a career and then ending up in her 30's and single because her standards are too high. I would trust her to be capable of figuring out the problem there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 01:29 AM
18	Raising your boys to be husband material, or, why I hate it when I hear lonely young men get called "entitled" The problem is that the feminist narrative has stretched the word "entitled" to the point of absurdity in this case. They seem to think that if you just talk to a girl for a while then ask her out, suddenly you are "entitled." This is not a proper usage of the term, and in fact the females who are offended just because some "nice guy" dared to ask them out are closer to acting entitled. They feel that they are entitled to never be asked out on a date except by guys that they would say yes to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 01:23 AM
2	Xpost from AskTRP after being banned for speaking against the iron law of a mod To be fair your post definitely matches their definition of "concern trolling" which has been outlawed on the sub for some time now. You could certainly argue that the "concern trolling" rule is just an excuse to ban critics I guess. And I agree that TRP has a lot of circle jerking going on. So does TBP. I post here more than either of the actual "pill" subs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 01:08 AM
5	/r/theredpill, scientific illiteracy, and insecurity. There was a topic on here just recently about the double standard when it comes to ad hominem attacks in these "debates." BPers are quick to characterize any TRP-leaning posters as neckbeards, virgins, losers, etc. In light of that discussion I'm glad you commented this. "Vulnerable and insecure?" This is a perfect example.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 01:04 AM
3	/r/theredpill, scientific illiteracy, and insecurity. Well, if you are trying to claim that most TRPers have no other significant connections or "group identities" in their lives which would conflict with the sub and its ideology, then I guess you might have a point. Are there some people on the sub who are isolated loners that troll the Internet all day and started posting just to feel like they "belonged" somewhere? Maybe. But I doubt that describes very many of them. Also note that comparisons to cults are pretty much just ad hominem attacks lab…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/02/15 01:02 AM
1	One thing I find a bit off-putting about the Sports Illustrated / #curvesinbikinis stuff is that all three guys are super fit Bog standard feminist double standard. It is okay for a woman to do this questionable thing, but if men do it suddenly it becomes unacceptable. In this case it's gaining weight/being overweight. After all if you did the research I guarantee you would find that fat guys have trouble getting slim girlfriends. Why is there no campaign putting them in ads with Victoria's Secret models?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 09:53 PM
3	/r/theredpill, scientific illiteracy, and insecurity. TRP attracts sheep-like individuals? False. Considering how strongly many TRP beliefs run against the popular narratives concerning gender relations and sex, and how strongly the sub itself is demonized, by definition someone who "goes with the crowd" (i.e. seeks to avoid being criticized by the majority) would almost certainly not become a TRPer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 09:44 PM
2	Why is it that the few pro-marriage TRP'ers seem to advocate marrying women with high-risk "divorce rape" factors? This has been done a lot of times now both on TRP and this sub, and the stuff you're pointing out is exactly why there are only "a few" pro-marriage terpers now. I barely if ever see this viewpoint expressed by TRPers anymore, it seems like divorce-rape outrage has won the day on this point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 09:28 PM
23	What do you think of Emma Sulkowicz's claims? She did not report the "rape" until 8 months later. This immediately implies retroactive withdrawal of consent, as opposed to actual rape. This dude actually has messages showing her acting friendly before making the decision to retroactively withdraw her consent. What is there to talk about? She's lying, she's doing it for attention/her "art," she's doing it at the expense of this poor guy. It's disgusting. One of the best examples of everything I dislike about modern "feminism."	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 03:28 PM
1	Don't forget to have fun Enjoying yourself is a key part of maintaining frame. If your tone is playful, it's obvious that you don't care, you aren't bothered by whatever dumb shit might be going on. It projects an image of things being effortless for you. If you are scowling and harsh, you risk being seen as a tryhard.	/r/TheRedPill	06/02/15 05:05 AM
5	How is men who disagree with feminists being labelled "virgins, neckbeards, woman-haters/misogynists, etc" different from feminists being "fatties, butch lesbians or women who don't shave their legs for years, etc"? One of the frustrating double standards you encounter. At the most basic level, SJWs do this because they know they can get away with it. No one will call them on it except the victim whose approval they have lost (and who is often downvoted/ostracized/whatever) anyways. I'm sure terps would use the "fat butch lesbian" stereotype more if they thought they could get away with it. After all they are human too. But does that excuse SJWs committing the logical fallacy in almost every argument ever? …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 02:12 AM
8	Is it possible to be a feminist and still want to make your SO happy? The problem is that the definition of "feminism" has been broadened to the point of absurdity. It no longer means the same thing to most people that it originally did. Groups, individuals, organizations, ideologies and viewpoints which in reality have an anti-men/female-supremacist agenda, have been able to masquerade under the banner of "feminism" to keep themselves looking like the good guys. Now they're reaping what they sowed and the term's connotations have taken a heavy hit. It's not fair …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/02/15 12:53 AM
4	What do you guys think of this comment from Yahoo! Answers (from 6 years ago)? As is often said there, the TRP mindset and many of its ideas are hardly anything new. They have literally been around for centuries, TRP is just re-packaging them in a modern framework. It's also a given that people would be having these thoughts individually long before an official group was ever formed around them. Since they are so controversial, and draw such hostility if spoken openly, they would need a long time to stew under the radar before reaching the critical mass where people are wi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/15 10:41 PM
2	What do you guys think of this comment from Yahoo! Answers (from 6 years ago)? Sounds like some r/foreveralone shit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/15 10:39 PM
14	Can Women Be Human? Silliness plain and simple, not worth discussing seriously. I don't get the obsession of some TRPers with de-humanizing women. It just gives ammo to their critics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/15 10:36 PM
3	Sexual Market Value & Marriage Market Value. The Same or Different? Yea it is too narrow for guys, I didn't really consider it from that perspective. It is still important how a guy acts and what his social characteristics are (status, preselection, etc.) in determining his SMV. For females though I would maintain it is nearly all appearance. You do have to have some minimum capacity to interact with others, y'know, enough to actually meet the guy and get to the bedroom one way or another, so a girl who just has a truly intolerable personality could still screw …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/15 10:31 PM
2	Sexual Market Value & Marriage Market Value. The Same or Different? There was a topic just like this recently, except it was talking about RMV (relationship market value) instead of marriage. But the same basic principles apply: They are not the same. Only physical appearance matters for SMV, and almost nothing else. Physical appearance matters for LTR-MV, but it is only one of several major factors, and depending on a person's preferences it may not even be the most important one. Additionally, women and men tend to have different standards in this regard (both…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/15 07:29 PM
8	What misconceptions did you use to have about the opposite sex and why? I used to believe the "confidence" nonsense that everyone spews about how to be attractive. It took years but I finally got past it. "Be confident" is so vague as to be useless, and "be attractive" is far better advice. Confidence isn't an attractive trait, so much as the absence of an unattractive trait (being shy/awkward). It's like expecting to get laid just because you aren't fat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/15 07:26 PM
8	"Embrace the horridness of reality and make a place for yourself in the world" Never give to get. Never assume people will do you a favor, no matter how many you did for them. Never help people unless they have helped you first, or you stand to gain some kind of clear and significant advantage (for example forming a rapport with an employer). You don't have to be RP to do these things, it's just common sense. Women tend to deny this type of thinking because they are used to people going out of their way to be sensitive or helpful to them for no particular reason. For most …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/15 07:21 PM
1	Do you think this story in /r/relationships is made up or not? In general, if there is even a little doubt, I assume it's made up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/15 07:18 PM
1	HuffPo lauds plus-size model in the SI Swimsuit Issue Seriously, she doesn't look that bad to me. No cellulite anywhere (if they really wanted to do a fat acceptance thing, they would've included someone with that). Now she is "fat" by SI model standards I'm sure, but I wouldn't say unattractive. I do agree that fat-praising in general is a bad trend, though.	/r/TheRedPill	05/02/15 01:15 PM
1	How to reconcile the existence of non-RPers? I think it is a bit narrow to see TRP as the "only" way and that all other behaviors will somehow inevitably lead to relationship failure. There are some girls who have low enough standards, or weird enough preferences, that you can be with them just fine without having to "game" them. Unfortunately there are only a finite number of such people in the world. For every "happy blue pill" relationship think about how many people are either single, in unsatisfying relationships, or in more "red pill…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/15 02:52 AM
2	Former Solicitor says: "everything TRP believes about divorce is basically garbage." I agree that TRPers are contradicting themselves/setting themselves up for failure if they want their wife to be a SAHM but also do not want to pay higher alimony/child support in the event of a divorce. A lot of people on the sub have recognized the disconnect there and it's now commonly advised that marriage is simply to be avoided in general for those who believe in the "red pill." I agree from a RP standpoint it is pretty much a no-win situation except in the very specific case that you are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/02/15 12:50 AM
3	Divorce in Canada (Joe Rogan + Dave Foley) In general, yes, the sub is very anti-marriage. However it's important to understand that it's not against the institution of marriage as a lifelong pair bond between a man and a woman, but against the laws surrounding it and the way that it is handled in today's court systems.	/r/TheRedPill	04/02/15 02:41 AM
1	[Meta] SJWs are reportedly working with admins to develop a stricter "no harassment" policy at Reddit. We should have an action plan in place for when TRP is banned Doesn't TRP already have an off-reddit website?	/r/TheRedPill	04/02/15 01:11 AM
2	Another high profile rape case falls apart - Mattress girl's lies starting to get picked apart This is great news. TBH I want more women to make obviously false allegations that can easily be proven to be bullshit. The more of these there are the sooner this absurd "rape epidemic" nonsense can be put to rest.	/r/TheRedPill	04/02/15 12:09 AM
1	If women should live their lives based on what will most likely happen (the wall, etc) then why should men hope for/rely on the best-case scenario (Hugh Hefner, etc)? Sure, but I thought we agreed right away that those ideals were stupid. And TRP specifically advises against turning down perfectly viable sexual options. You know, plate spinning and all that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/15 11:34 PM
2	If women should live their lives based on what will most likely happen (the wall, etc) then why should men hope for/rely on the best-case scenario (Hugh Hefner, etc)? I would venture that the chances of a 30-something woman eventually marrying a guy she finds attractive are way more than 1 in 20. So should all my twenty-something friends schedule some balls-out trips to the Caribbean, bang loads of dudes, get their masters in Gender Studies and wait until 30s to get married? I mean, it's possible. Probably more likely than 1 in 20. If all of that is going to make a chick happier or bring her more success (in whatever way she might measure "success") then sure…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/15 09:51 PM
7	If women should live their lives based on what will most likely happen (the wall, etc) then why should men hope for/rely on the best-case scenario (Hugh Hefner, etc)? So one in twenty? If anything that supports my claim that it's perfectly achievable. Now you might not actually get there just due to circumstance and luck, but I don't see the harm in trying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/15 09:10 PM
1	Help me understand the prevalence of emotional abuse in women I can relate to this personally. The only GF I've had clearly thought and tried to make me think that I was the bad guy near the end of our relationship and that I was treating her poorly. My behavior consisted primarily of refusing to drive 30 minutes one way to see her every single day because gas is expensive and I just didn't feel like it, and not being affectionate enough (not saying "I love you" very often, not showing as much interest in whatever story or event she was talking about, etc.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/15 09:04 PM
8	If women should live their lives based on what will most likely happen (the wall, etc) then why should men hope for/rely on the best-case scenario (Hugh Hefner, etc)? I don't think TRP is aiming for Hugh Hefner levels of sexual access. If they are, sure, I agree that's unrealistic. The thing about these guys on TRP is that a lot of them are coming from a place of 0 sexual access, or very poor sexual opportunities (i.e. just got out of an unfulfilling LTR in which their GF gave them duty sex once a month while nagging them constantly and demanding they do a bunch of shit for her). By comparison, even getting laid every now and then (once a month maybe) is a hu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/15 08:46 PM
3	What are the biggest flaws in reasoning you have noticed on either side (or both) when they conclude that the evidence supports their stances? "Kind, equal and emotionally open all the time" are far too subjective to have any real meaning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/15 04:12 PM
6	What are the biggest flaws in reasoning you have noticed on either side (or both) when they conclude that the evidence supports their stances? There is not much evidence in favor of BP egalitarian views so it's kind of a one-sided question.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/02/15 01:34 PM
1	Should Low SMV men participate in nightlife? Or should they stay in and build up their SMV? Agreed with the analysis of clubbing/going to bars. When I first got old enough to do this I noticed every time it happened, it was the women who wanted to "go out" and any guys who might be around weren't too keen on the idea but usually got dragged out to a bar anyways. It confused me at the time, but now I understand why. Only certain kinds of guys get attention in these situations, most are left just sitting around silently sipping their beers and checking their phones without getting any at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/15 09:46 PM
1	How would you deal with your best friend sleeping with your ex, if the sex was the catalyst for you two getting back together? Yea it's not relevant to me since my version of the story would diverge at the part where she goes running back to her old boyfriend, I would be like "lolno"	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/15 09:40 PM
0	What do you guys think of this post from /r/TheRedPill: "Fuck This Place"? Sorry but understanding trumps ignorance any day. Only if you assume that the redpill's viewpoints are false (which this guy does not, his problem is that he thinks they are correct) can it be argued that it hurts men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/15 09:38 PM
1	BPers, what do you think TRPers are like in real life? TRPers, what are you like in real life? I probably don't act IRL anything like the way BPers envision TRPers being. No one that I know IRL would guess that I look at that sub, and I will keep it that way since they'd likely be mortified if they knew. This is due to the fact that I don't want to associate myself with a lot of the misconceptions about TRP and some of the honestly stupid/misogynist things that get posted there, but I still agree with the core principles of the sub and find some of the posts there to be of value. As TRP e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/15 07:49 PM
6	CMV Just be yourself is great advice for finding a great relationship, shitty advice for getting laid. It's worthless advice in any situation. Clearly, you are already "being yourself" by definition. If "being yourself" was getting you the results you wanted you would not be asking for advice in the first place. If your advice is just "don't do anything different and suck it up," that's fine, but don't dress it up as if "being yourself" is some kind of secret mindset that the person needs to unlock before they can be happy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/15 07:42 PM
1	Sex under false pretenses: rape, or harmless shenanigans? Not rape since the victim is not physically coerced. I wouldn't say it's "harmless" either, some of these are definitely scumbag moves. But making shit up or being dishonest I would not equivocate with rape, which is much more serious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/02/15 07:39 PM
1	Nobody likes 'Nice Guys'. Normally I would call trolling/made up/bullshit on a story with this level of intricacy but there is a picture of a facebook convo so if it's a troll someone went to a lot more effort than usual to put it together. Anyways, the guy's behavior honestly is pathetic in the story, even by "blue pill" i.e. mainstream standards anyone would have told him to forget about this dumb bitch.	/r/TheRedPill	01/02/15 07:15 PM
2	An Actual Conversation About Marriage and Divorce Coming From the Mouths of College-Aged Women A lot of times it may be girls like these or no friends-that-are-women at all. These kinds of attitudes are socially acceptable now, as you can see it's just part of casual conversation. And if I dropped all my female friends I'd basically be dropping a lot of male friends as well, or at least seeing them a lot less, since they're friends with the same people. I can see the utility in associating with them, distasteful as they may be.	/r/TheRedPill	01/02/15 01:17 AM
2	What are some of your experiences with people of the opposite pill in the wild? Except that failure clearly wasn't inevitable in your case, so I don't see what you're getting at.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/01/15 04:45 AM
1	Bluepills, how would you explain the "where have all the good men gone" trope? And what do women mean when they say "I feel like he's using me for sex" or "Men are just afraid of commitment"? No, I actually said "women will NOT marry"--meaning unmarried women are absolutely part of the population being described, those who were NOT willing to get married for whatever reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 10:35 PM
1	What are some of your experiences with people of the opposite pill in the wild? No, it is not. Let's say you have a 75% rejection rate, 25% success. Someone who does not care about discomfort/embarrassment will still approach in this situation, while someone who does (i.e. most people) will probably get discouraged and stop very quickly if they even try at all. Now let's say you have a 95% rejection rate, probably higher. Anyone will stop at this point because it's just a complete waste of time, there is no incentive to take the action.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 10:34 PM
3	What are some of your experiences with people of the opposite pill in the wild? It's less about protecting ego and more about a very high failure chance for approaching when you "go out." It's too stereotypical by now, only works if you are already very high SMV (i.e. probably never needed to read TRP to start with).	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 03:14 PM
1	What are some of your experiences with people of the opposite pill in the wild? Could be either tbh, I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on the subject. Just speculating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 03:10 PM
2	Bluepills, how would you explain the "where have all the good men gone" trope? And what do women mean when they say "I feel like he's using me for sex" or "Men are just afraid of commitment"? Almost half of women who decide to marry--so far less than half of all women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 03:09 PM
2	What is a woman's SMV? Yea, age really is just a subset of looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 03:08 PM
3	What is a woman's SMV? Yes but the mere fact that "gold diggers" are always assumed to be female implies that money does matter for male SMV more than it does for female.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 04:19 AM
9	What are some of your experiences with people of the opposite pill in the wild? Guys that are making their interest obvious, especially at a party or a bar (i.e. stereotypical situations to seek hookups) are more PUA than TRP I would say. In a successful application of TRP no one would even know that you were interested in that particular girl. Abundance mentality and all that. If you make it known that you want her you've ruined your alpha facade. Do note that as an extension I would expect someone going at it with the RP mindset to not bother picking up any girls at parti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 04:02 AM
1	Do women want to control male sexuality? If so, is it justified for men to control female sexuality? It's not a "war" being "fought." Not any more. Probably the greatest victory of women/feminists is that people are delusional enough to think it is. As long as prostitution remains illegal women have by far "won" any kind of "war" that there might be on this. Women can get laid whenever they want, with very little effort, by effect of being female; that's the benefit of their gender role. The male route to the same is prostitution which is denied to them by force of law.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 03:59 AM
4	What is a woman's SMV? Both. It might matter more for RMV, but it is still a factor in SMV. You can observe this in that women are also far more willing to ONS a guy who is famous/rich/whatever even if his looks are only average or worse. I'm not sure if that's because women are legitimately turned on by those traits or because they are engaging in sex first with the hope that it will lead to a relationship later. Maybe it's both.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 03:47 AM
2	What is a woman's SMV? In what case?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 03:43 AM
6	How many of you identify as former "Nice Guys"? I'm sure a lot of them do, No More Mr. Nice Guy is always praised and cited as changing lives, etc. whenever it gets mentioned on TRP. I don't, in grade school I was bullied and I maintained problems socializing through high school so I developed with an adversarial view of social interactions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 02:26 AM
5	What is a woman's SMV? Well there is a distinction to be made first. Do we mean SMV or RMV? SMV could refer to simply whether or not you would be willing to have sex with the woman and little interaction otherwise, in which case yes it's basically only looks and age that matter. RMV is more complicated since it is relationship market value--i.e. how worthy is she for LTR. When you're talking about RMV it's not only looks that matter anymore, actually I would put looks equal to personal traits as both could completely …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 02:17 AM
2	Bluepills, how would you explain the "where have all the good men gone" trope? And what do women mean when they say "I feel like he's using me for sex" or "Men are just afraid of commitment"? You're taking it as a 100% absolutist statement, same as people like to do with AWALT. No it's not as though it's literally impossible and never happens ever. Duh. However, just as obvious is which direction the trend is in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/01/15 02:12 AM
2	Bluepills, how would you explain the "where have all the good men gone" trope? And what do women mean when they say "I feel like he's using me for sex" or "Men are just afraid of commitment"? So 40% of married women earn more than their husband. Note that this caveat excludes women who may have postponed getting married in the first place due to a perceived lack of a suitable partner, and even then it's still under half. I'd say that just proves my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/15 10:14 PM
19	Why Don’t Men Hate Being Single As Much As Women Do? My observation has been that women need a SO to keep them entertained and content. They are not happy sitting at home alone watching netflix. If they don't have a boyfriend to do everything with them and give them validation then their activities seem hollow to them. Men however are much more capable of just zoning out with various forms of entertainment if they need to. That said I do think a lot of guys do want relationships, and prefer not to be single. They just don't want one at the price g…	/r/TheRedPill	29/01/15 10:03 PM
1	What are your thoughts on this TwoX post? Sounds made up tbh.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/15 06:27 PM
2	CMV dragging along friendzoned guys is just emotional plate-spinning. Sure, you can do it honestly. Guys can be friend-zoned without being misled as well. However, in the same vein, dishonesty can also occur in both cases. So I think it is fair to compare the two.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/15 05:27 PM
5	Question for Blue Pillers: doesn't "debating" TRP give it validity? Taking the "it's too dumb to even argue" approach can also backfire though. In a lot of observers' eyes you could end up nuking your own credibility and making yourself look worse than the opposition, since one implication could be that you don't have any passable response to their arguments and are looking for an easy way out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/15 04:20 AM
1	Bluepills, how would you explain the "where have all the good men gone" trope? And what do women mean when they say "I feel like he's using me for sex" or "Men are just afraid of commitment"? It's just a symptom of the classic double standard: Men will date and marry women who make less than they do, women will NOT date and marry men who make less than they do. That gap in expectations is where you are seeing the disconnect, not in the concrete demographics. This double standard can support itself fine when most men significantly out-earn most women, but if the two groups make roughly the same or it is even skewed in favor of women, suddenly you have a lot of single women tearing the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/15 03:26 AM
1	Bluepills, how would you explain the "where have all the good men gone" trope? And what do women mean when they say "I feel like he's using me for sex" or "Men are just afraid of commitment"? True from what I've observed. Considering that I know exactly zero guys my same age (24) who make more than 20-30 thousand a year (the majority make nothing because they are still in school) it's not surprising.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/15 03:23 AM
-1	If you like the Ghostbusters movies, are you disappointed with the all-female casting of the new Ghostbusters movie? Is feminism to blame for the casting? I'm pretty sure it's only TRP that thinks only feminists would want to watch it, not "some people." Personally IDGAF. If it is funny, great, whether the cast is all women or all men. If it is somehow unfunny specifically because of an all-female cast then I guess we would have something to talk about but that would be a pretty absurd viewpoint to try and actually prove to anyone. The question of whether or not content is "funny" in the first place is far too subjective to be debated seriously, n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/15 02:06 AM
5	CMV dragging along friendzoned guys is just emotional plate-spinning. My understanding of "spinning plates" is that that's exactly what is involved, the woman is going to want commitment eventually (if she doesn't enter into the interaction already seeking it) and the guy is ready to next her when it gets to that point. You don't come right out and say to the girl's face "I'm never going to commit to you," you just spend time with her and don't bring it up until/unless she forces the issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/15 01:56 AM
0	Where do Transsexuals fit into this? Behavior patterns still wouldn't match those of the "typical" woman at all, by TRP's standards or more mainstream ones, since the person still grew up as and lived as a man for their whole life up to that point. Just as important, if not more, "transsexual" will still place them in a distinct category apart from "woman" (in the sense of someone who was born female) in how people perceive them and behave towards them. You might be able to switch genders biologically but you can't really do it cul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/01/15 01:52 AM
1	Feminists/White Knights are never satisfied: Feminist media decries that little boys won't play with female action figures. Incredible the things people will bitch about. Before reading this post I had never even seen what any of these Marvel action figures looked like nor seen any form of advertising for them.	/r/TheRedPill	28/01/15 05:31 AM
1	Why are most PUA's, TRP's and people trying to learn seduction mostly men? Women tend to be very averse to the uncomfortable truths about dating one has to accept and discuss in order to participate in the seduction community. Even if they did have some trouble getting laid normally, the ability to maintain their egalitarian narrative is very important to their state of mind. I doubt they would be able to endure the cognitive dissonance brought on by things like AF/BB, the wall, etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/15 05:20 AM
1	Why are most PUA's, TRP's and people trying to learn seduction mostly men? The issue is that for a lot of guys, no longer being a virgin is not that much better or different from back when they were. I know guys who are not technically "virgins" because they did technically have really shitty drunken sex one or two times, but have never had a LTR, barely been on any dates and cannot get girls to go out with them, have been sitting on single digit amount of sexual encounters (not partners--encounters) for a decade or more, etc. Just losing your v-card is not a magical s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/15 05:15 AM
3	CMV: Lower SMV Men have nothing to gain from feminism I don't see what the functional difference is between "fell out of love with" and "lost attraction to." Again, one is a euphemism, but the meaning looks to be the same. If you agree (and subsequently agree that this is a common reason that women initiate divorce) then as far as I can tell we're pretty much on the same page.....	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/15 03:30 AM
-1	I know rapists gonna rape, but this is annoying, why!? This is an example I think, of why we need to have a cultural shift regarding alcohol. People need to be much more careful of it and its capability to create a situation like this. This is a completely legal substance that functioned in this case as a very effective date-rape drug. I don't buy into the whole "rape epidemic" narrative but I do think drinking is not taken seriously enough by college students.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/15 12:56 AM
2	CMV: Lower SMV Men have nothing to gain from feminism I don't think they're lying at all. "Incompatibility" is a very honest answer as it could easily be seen as a synonym with "became bitter," "no longer attracted to him," etc. It might be a euphemism but the meaning is more or less the same. "Adultery" and "financial troubles" also obviously are not lies, I can't imagine people would give those answers if those things didn't actually happen. No idea what you're getting at with the quip about men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/15 12:50 AM
1	TRP says that aloofness and holding frame fosters attraction in women. So why don't women find the fact that Christian Grey is a needy crybaby repulsive? Just have to point out, Ana did break up with him. Given that he has basically everything else ever going in his favor, I'd argue that her breaking up with him would be pretty much unthinkable if he wasn't so extremely dramatic and emotional. So from that point of view you could say that his behavior did decrease his SMV, luckily, he had many other factors in his favor to keep it high.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/15 12:46 AM
3	CMV: Lower SMV Men have nothing to gain from feminism "Incompatibility" is vague enough to be more or less meaningless, and could obviously be interchangeable with the woman deciding she has become tired of the man she's stuck with (as the above poster said "become bitter"). "Adultery," now why do you think that happens? Because one partner wasn't satisfied with what they were getting from the relationship and therefore felt the need to look outside of it. "Financial troubles" isn't quite as obvious but still relates. It's no secret that a woman is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/15 12:39 AM
5	CMV: Lower SMV Men have nothing to gain from feminism This is exactly why I fall more on the side of redpill than blue/feminism. What's in it for me? Nothing so far as I can tell. Girls have shit on me all my life and I don't expect that to change anytime soon. Makes it hard to have sympathy for them, especially when I get crucified as pathetic/loser/neckbeard/whatever if I ever ask that they have sympathy for me. They have the right to not go out with me, sure; and I have the right to not join them in their moral crusades.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/01/15 12:17 AM
2	Field report from an actress on preselection and Prince Charming theory I can't imagine how that would work without at least one of the girls blowing up and creating drama over it.	/r/TheRedPill	27/01/15 11:31 PM
-1	Field report from an actress on preselection and Prince Charming theory Wow not often that you see a feeeeeeeemale willing to post on this sub :p Good post though, it is good to get a woman's perspective if we can.	/r/TheRedPill	27/01/15 11:29 PM
1	She wants marriage. [UPDATE] Good for you that she ended up seeing things the right way. I definitely plan to take the same approach if I ever find myself facing your situation. The thought of someone breaking down and crying because they were presented with simple facts (many of which are actually pretty well-known, just selectively ignored) about marriage and its consequences honestly disgusts me. I don't know how sympathetic I could be in that situation. But I would rather the chick break up with me over it than go forwa…	/r/TheRedPill	27/01/15 11:25 PM
3	Trp and the anger phase This is a great example of what I'm talking about. One mention of the word "incel" and the conversation immediately shifts away from anything worthwhile and into shaming the pathetic neckbeard (never mind the fact that the term wasn't even applied to oneself, apparently anyone who even uses the word must be one). If that doesn't count as punishing guys for not being successful with women, I don't know what does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/01/15 11:00 PM
3	Trp and the anger phase Sure it's unhealthy. But so is being incel. People respond to incentives. Get girls to reward guys for being sensitive, or at least stop punishing them for it, maybe then you'll see their behavior change.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/15 10:44 PM
4	Trp and the anger phase Except that it's not the healthier option. Remember the part where you're seen as pathetic and scorned/avoided? Of course guys are going to just bottle it up instead of expressing their frustrations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/15 03:42 PM
1	Trp and the anger phase I don't agree with the notion of it as a genetically inherent biotroof, no.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/15 03:42 PM
0	Is the denial of sex in a relationship emotional abuse? I asked 38 people if denial of sex in a relationship was a form of "emotional abuse" here are the results. Yea, I was including that under "leaving." You have just as much right to refuse to keep seeing the person as they have to refuse to have sex with you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/15 01:53 AM
12	Trp and the anger phase I wouldn't say men or women are inherently more emotional than the other. The difference however is in how society responds to emotional displays. Emotional displays by women garner a positive response from their peers, while the same coming from men tends to earn scorn. Therefore, men must learn to repress how they feel and not wear their emotions on their sleeves (to a greater than women do, at least). On TRP this constraint isn't in place because it's an anonymous forum already well-known for…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/01/15 12:58 AM
2	Researchers found that women tend to shy away from attractive mates as husbands- Dr. Laura Berman I don't believe it one bit based on personal experience BUT...... great news for me if it's true! I can game girls who think I'm "husband material" cause I "can't cheat." That would be hilarious. Maybe I haven't seen it in action yet because I'm still only in my mid 20's.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/15 11:05 PM
1	Do any of you guys experience a chick that expects money for sex? [FR] Wow never heard of anything like that. I mean guys give their girlfriends/plates money sure but I've never heard of a girl being that forward about it lmao	/r/TheRedPill	24/01/15 10:59 PM
3	[Fail Report] I 'got got' again last night. Feel foolish today. One takeaway I think is that you can't win 'em all. No matter how consistent your frame, or how good your game, sometimes things aren't going to go your way. Just how it is, and keeping that in mind is part of maintaining frame/outcome independence. I do think you did the right think by just ditching the scene for a different club, no point in sticking around on the sidelines if things don't turn out your way.	/r/TheRedPill	24/01/15 10:57 PM
13	Overheard an all female conversation, seems to validate much of what is said here. Yea 5'0" is true short. Something like 5'6" is not really short, it's just "not tall." It does say a lot about the entitlement mentality of women and the importance of looks, though, that you will get guys who are 5'7" telling you they are "short." It seems like women are willing to compromise less and less every day (and again, it shows how ludicrous their expectations are that dating a 5'7" guy would be considered compromising their standards).	/r/TheRedPill	24/01/15 10:08 PM
5	Overheard an all female conversation, seems to validate much of what is said here. Pfff I'm 5'4" don't sweat it	/r/TheRedPill	24/01/15 10:06 PM
3	Why feminism needs an enemy. I think feminist articles are meant to incite outrage in women and their male allies (aka white knights), absolutely.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/15 09:46 PM
2	Is the denial of sex in a relationship emotional abuse? I asked 38 people if denial of sex in a relationship was a form of "emotional abuse" here are the results. If denial of sex isn't emotional abuse, then neither is leaving as a result of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/15 09:40 PM
2	Why does Bluepill/Feminism insist so vehemently that rape has nothing to do with sexuality? If people have to resort to illegal and criminal acts to get sex, it implies that they are deprived of it and cannot obtain it through normal means. The feminist narrative wants you to believe that the sexual marketplace is fair and that everyone has a shot in it, that way it's always the man's fault if he's incel.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/15 09:35 PM
111	20F Posts to r/sex feeling guilty about banging 70 dudes. "Red Piller" calls her out, white knights and other sluts defend her. First two words "Throwaway obviously." Lmao. No matter how much they might claim otherwise these people are still ashamed of what they've done.	/r/TheRedPill	24/01/15 09:10 PM
0	Banned from marriedredpill for saying "sometimes blue pillers are right( about communicating with your spouse) TRP doesn't view their sub as a place to debate the validity of its philosophy, only how to apply it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/15 05:53 AM
2	So why do gay guys come to this sub? The same holds true for any gay people posting here, though. Clearly they consider it an important thing to talk about, even if you don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/15 05:33 AM
2	So why do gay guys come to this sub? Funny, but the whole part where they're on the sub reading and posting kind of undermines the attempt to paint it as unimportant. Clearly, if you're on here, you consider it worth your time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/01/15 01:41 AM
3	So why do gay guys come to this sub? They don't want to be different from anyone else in any respect outside of their sexual orientation. That means being part of important discussions even if the implications of those discussions do not really affect them in any way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/15 08:32 PM
1	Poll: How many in TRP really think women are inferior? Women tend to be seen as victims by default, and the kneejerk reaction to a woman expressing frustration or being upset is to comfort/sympathize. Not the case for men, who are more often blamed for their problems and seen as pathetic/bitter/entitled if they complain about them. Hence women have much less incentive to change or improve their behavior patterns.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/15 08:30 PM
1	Men are shit. AMALT. Why am I wrong? I'm challenging his assumption that this is worth discussing at all. It's not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/15 08:28 PM
1	Poll: How many in TRP really think women are inferior? The sub loves to put women down and make them look bad, but honestly that's pointless IMO. Even if it's true it accomplishes nothing and feeds the notion of RP just being full of bitter losers. The more politically correct and ideologically useful approach would be to assert that questions of being "superior" or "inferior" are rendered moot by the fact that women are not held accountable by society for their actions, and therefore cannot be expected to change. Therefore, the only thing that matt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/15 06:11 PM
0	How can you claim that women are mentally children and also that it's wrong for women to get lighter sentences? No, I said to get the benefit of being a child (leniency from the justice system) you have to admit you're a child.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/15 03:05 PM
6	Men are shit. AMALT. Why am I wrong? Who cares? Men are already acceptable targets. No one denies that men are "like that." AWALT is the saying that strikes a nerve with SJW types. There is a reason that one is a big deal which is argued about while the other is literally never said or heard of.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/15 06:25 AM
1	Filtering out the 80% of men: Woman from Stanford to create "Elite Tinder App" Does it filter out low SMV women too though? Or is it only discriminatory in which men are allowed to use it? Because if it goes both ways then you could argue it might actually be a step forward in the sense of getting women to have more realistic expectations (i.e. a 6 getting denied from use of this app would be getting a reality check on what her SMV really is, whereas currently she expects access to 8's or 9's and probably considers herself one as a result).	/r/TheRedPill	23/01/15 01:26 AM
2	What's the difference between "nice guys" and "good guys"? Wow. How disingenuous. "Good" is even more vague than "nice," to the extent that women can just arbitrarily assign it to the guys that turn them on while withholding it from those that don't and instead condemning them with the dreaded "nice guy" status. Without actually needing, y'know, any kind of consistent standard to adhere to on the basis of how broad the word "good" is. Not that it would be commendable even if there was a consistent standard, as that would still be women defining how men …	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/15 12:30 AM
-1	How can you claim that women are mentally children and also that it's wrong for women to get lighter sentences? I'd be fine with women getting reduced sentences if the same women were to agree that they are "children" and genuinely mean it. Even a 10 year old will acknowledge that he is a child, adult women generally will not. But if womenfolk want to be grown ups then they have to take their lumps like one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/01/15 12:14 AM
1	There's an AskReddit going right now about how it feels to have "settled." A lot of AWALT going on in there. Here's the relevant paragraph: "A few month before their wedding, she went into the bathroom, and yet again he had left his wet towels on the floor. She closed the door, and suddenly these wet towels represented to her all the unmet needs in their relationship. In her mind, she had asked repeatedly that he do this one small task to make their home life a little easier. And the fact that he continued to leave them lying around was interpreted as a massive disrespect to her and their relationship.…	/r/TheRedPill	22/01/15 01:23 PM
14	There's an AskReddit going right now about how it feels to have "settled." A lot of AWALT going on in there. I agree with his general principle but the specific example he chose is horrible. A kid is NOT an overinflated cost, if anything people are still far too willing to put up with it.	/r/TheRedPill	21/01/15 09:05 PM
32	There's an AskReddit going right now about how it feels to have "settled." A lot of AWALT going on in there. Well, it is fucked up by mainstream standards of how people "should" behave. Which makes it all the more amusing when threads like this come up and these "dark hidden truths" are magically revealed.	/r/TheRedPill	21/01/15 09:02 PM
114	There's an AskReddit going right now about how it feels to have "settled." A lot of AWALT going on in there. Oh here's a great one: "A girl I knew was taught by her sorority sisters to date up during her single days (aka sleep with hot guys) but marry down. By marrying down, she maintains the upper hand by being the one who has more options. The man she would settle with would subconsciously know he married up and had better keep her happy or she would walk, because there's plenty of other guys who would want her. If she married up (aka married a hot guy), she would always be the one who would have to …	/r/TheRedPill	21/01/15 07:48 PM
4	Is TRP failing to give feminism proper credit? Not to burst your bubble but many RP concepts have been around as more or less main stream thinking for large sections, if not nearly all, of human history. People understood that slutting around was very bad, and the average person would easily agree on that point, for centuries before feminism ever came around. Feminism didn't somehow make it possible to see that, it obscured it where once it was obvious and well-known--as evidenced by the fact that you, for example, as part of the post-femini…	/r/TheRedPill	21/01/15 07:46 PM
47	There's an AskReddit going right now about how it feels to have "settled." A lot of AWALT going on in there. Confirmation of women's unrealistic expectations in a golded response to the top comment. A bit long to re-post but the TL;DR is the girl is about to break up with her fiance because he left towels on their bathroom floor when he wasn't supposed to, but changes her mind and they live happily ever after. But for every chick that doesn't break it off because of the towels on the floor, think about how many do and end up bitter and alone (or settling for worse) later on. The fact that the girl was …	/r/TheRedPill	21/01/15 07:32 PM
1	Besides offering pick up and male/female relationship advice, what does the red pill truly offer? Those things apply to PUA as well though. What sets TRP apart is that it goes further, it offers a sympathetic worldview to people who feel that they have been wronged. It's especially effective because guys who get "divorce raped" or w/e else (cheated on, friend-zoned, etc.) may actually have a hard time getting a sympathetic viewpoint anywhere else. It offers guys a narrative that validates certain beliefs and feelings which are broadly rejected by other available narratives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/01/15 01:28 AM
3	Where a woman is slut shaming...herself At least the poor guy split with her before their relationship got any more serious. Only married 1.5 years, no kids..... could be much worse.	/r/TheRedPill	20/01/15 01:17 AM
5	How do you handle being in love, or have you never been? Too vague and arbitrary to discuss meaningfully, anyone can declare that they are "in love" at any point and no one can prove otherwise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/15 09:50 PM
8	Having your cake and eating it too That's kind of my point, it's an unrealistic fantasy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/15 02:16 AM
1	Having your cake and eating it too I meant that the man in that situation is not settling. The girl definitely would be, I agree (which is another reason I don't think it's practical to expect that she will be willing to do it).	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/15 02:15 AM
5	In 2014 what should people do regarding "marriage'? The ideal avenue for RP is to avoid marriage entirely. The fantasy of marrying a 18 year old submissive virgin is just that, a fantasy. It's no more realistic for a man to expect that than it is for women raised on Disney movies to expect that they will be able to marry a Prince Charming. If marriage must be undertaken for some reason, an RP man would want to go for an iron clad prenupt, or marry a woman that is far below him in SMV so she will be unlikely to branch swing on him later. And kids …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/15 08:01 PM
11	Having your cake and eating it too Red pillers would say that they are not "settling" if they marry a docile virgin girl 10 years younger than them, unlike a woman who eventually marries a BB, they are getting hitched to someone they still find very attractive. That said, I think the people who plan on doing that are a bit out of touch. Not because it's not a good idea in theory, but because it's not going to be as easy to do in practice as they seem to think, no matter how much "game" they apply. Finding a girl who checks all th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/15 07:47 PM
4	[Serious] Feminists, how do you feel about MGTOW? Feminists need guys like you to succeed romantically in order to sustain their egalitarian narrative. If a typical introverted, "creepy" guy like you can still get a girlfriend then they get to say "see women aren't so bad!" Whereas when a guy repeatedly fails and runs up against creep-shaming it makes women look overly shallow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/15 07:21 PM
3	[Serious] Feminists, how do you feel about MGTOW? Not a feminist nor a MGTOW but I respect your decision. I think it's a rational response to the incentives provided to young men in our society. Furthermore, by checking out of the dating market you are making an important statement about its viability as a social construct. The more guys that check out as you do, the less power women will ultimately have. If we're lucky this will eventually lead to the SMP becoming more tolerable for men than it is currently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/15 07:17 PM
2	I Feel Weird About Inquiring Girls of Their Relationship Status. Is This Normal? This is pretty much the way to do it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/15 03:08 AM
1	How would the blue pill address a partner's unhealthy weight gain in a marriage/LTR? This is another reason to not get married. The only response you can make with any kind of real fangs is "I'll leave" which only works pre-marriage. Personally I would consider weight gain of 100 lbs or more to be a for-sure dealbreaker but initiating divorce over it may end up being more trouble than it's worth, definitely so if there are kids involved. I should also mention that I'm quite sure women get away with this more easily than men. No one feels bad telling a guy he needs to lose weight…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/01/15 01:28 AM
3	Reverse discrimination rampant in academia Recently an email went out in my department about the first meeting of the department's "Women's Group." Despite the name the email said that anyone who was interested in furthering educational opportunities was free to attend, so curious as to what in the world this thing was, I showed up. Sure enough I was the only male and the female students and professors seemed quite uncomfortable by my attendance despite not saying outright that they didn't want me to be there. When I asked what the group…	/r/TheRedPill	15/01/15 09:39 PM
1	Is Obesity the cause of TRP's Genesis? I'm sure it's not the only factor at work but I think it's plausible that obesity could have played a part. Taking away even say, 20% of the female population as viable candidates for mating would result in a huge shortage from the male perspective. But again there are obviously other factors at work too. Women today are very picky, both in what kind of guys they are willing to date, and how willing to date they are in the first place. It seems that it is much more viable both economically and s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/15 03:53 PM
1	Unsubed from /forveralone/, Subbed to /trp/. Good luck especially with the guitar. It's easy to decide you're going to do something like that, actually doing it will be hard.	/r/TheRedPill	15/01/15 03:45 PM
1	A BP View, Part 2: Anger Hurts Your Game. It is when it's deceptive in nature, perpetuating false hope for these guys ("oh don't worry, I'm sure there is a girl out there for a nice guy like you!").	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/15 03:42 PM
3	She wants marriage. Seems like the takeaway, as usual, is that marriage is more or less always a bad idea for males. If you can somehow be pretty fucking damn sure that your girl won't ever want a divorce, even decades down the road, then it's probably great. But in reality there's just no way to be sure of that. As this post so wisely pointed out people change over time. The woman you married might have never divorced you, but it may be a totally different woman when you've been married for 20 years, one who does …	/r/TheRedPill	15/01/15 06:51 AM
3	What makes for a stable marriage? I've never been married, but I'd speculate that realistic expectations by both partners would help a lot. Both sides need to be aware that a relationship doesn't stay as exciting forever as it is when you're newlyweds on your honeymoon, and that eventually your marriage will feel stale and boring compared to those times. I think some people run into this effect and mis-interpret it as there being something "wrong" with their marriage, when in reality it's entirely normal and probably inescapable…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/15 06:41 AM
1	Bluepillers: If not hate, then how should newbie Redpillers get started? Hate anger and resentment are great motivators. I would say resentment towards people who told me "well you just need to work on yourself" after I complained of being short, was the number 1 motivator for me to try and improve my looks. I want to be able to say to those people, see I have done what I reasonably can do to look better, and I'm still short and still single. So go fuck yourselves. You just have to be careful of the consequences if you choose to express those emotions. You don't want…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/15 12:23 AM
9	RP: what are some examples of unfair treatment of women in your country? BP: what are some examples of unfair treatment of men in your country? It's also unfortunate that the culture is such that it's very practical advice. You don't want to let ANYONE know that you are on anti-depressants, seeing a therapist, etc. Your dating prospects with any girl who knows these things will shoot immediately to zero, and many people will treat you differently even outside of romantic interest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/15 12:18 AM
0	RP: what are some examples of unfair treatment of women in your country? BP: what are some examples of unfair treatment of men in your country? Fat women. "Normal" weight women have it great, but in some ways I think fat girls are even worse off than nerds/betas. Everyone talks shit about them, both males, and the more attractive females.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/15 12:15 AM
6	Red Pillers: How come women can't love men unconditionally but men can love women conditionally? A woman who loves unconditionally could easily get taken advantage of; used for sex, put into an abusive relationship, etc. Same for guys who end up just being personal servants/fashion accessories to their girlfriends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/15 12:11 AM
3	Red Pillers: How come women can't love men unconditionally but men can love women conditionally? Never really understood this one. The term "love" is sufficiently vague enough to make any attempts at telling someone else how "capable" they are of "feeling" it basically pointless. It's all up to the interpretation of the individual.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/15 12:09 AM
1	A BP View, Part 2: Anger Hurts Your Game. Bullsmack again. Whether or not guys have "high standards" in general is subjective, but I think it's pretty clear that they have lower standards relative to women. If you honestly believe that women are not more picky about choosing their mates than men are, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Again, I feel that if that were truly the case, we wouldn't be having these discussions to start with as there wouldn't be so many guys who have trouble getting even one date. I do agree that me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 08:17 PM
12	The 1 to 1 pairing lie. Additionally a "beta" man can marry a woman more on his level earlier and that way he is guaranteed she's likely a virgin or pure or whatever, however many of them are holding out for swimsuit model chick. Bullshit on a stick. Many guys my age (early mid 20's) would kill to get a LTR with a girl of their same attractiveness, and would still be eager to get one even with a lesser girl. They resent their lack of romantic success and are thirsty for any validation they can get from girls.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 06:53 PM
1	"Murder is definitely not as much of a dealbreaker as being unattractive" [Girl on /r/Tinder knowingly matches with attractive murderer] Keep in mind he didn't survive his murder spree though. Up until then girls had no reason not to believe he was a full omega. I bet if he had still been out in society afterwards he would have gotten some attention.	/r/TheRedPill	14/01/15 06:33 PM
1	does every red piller believe the world/culture is against them? That's kind of my whole point. There are perks and drawbacks to both, but feminists feel they are entitled to the perks of being male while refusing to admit that there are any drawbacks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 05:55 PM
1	does every red piller believe the world/culture is against them? If it means I get preferential treatment? Sure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 05:50 PM
1	does every red piller believe the world/culture is against them? Yea, "different" in the sense that men are assumed to be at fault, whereas women are assumed to be taken advantage of? Because that's what RP preaches, right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 05:42 PM
1	A BP View, Part 2: Anger Hurts Your Game. Typical response, "but guys do it too!" Except that: No one said they don't. More importantly, guys' standards are far lower. They are much less likely to reject a woman based on looks alone, and hence much less likely to find themselves in the same situation. Since men typically do the approaching, if they are not attracted to a woman, they just won't initiate with her. Hence they rarely find themselves in the position of having to come up with a politically correct reason for why they can't go…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 05:38 PM
1	does every red piller believe the world/culture is against them? Get feminists to do that and I'll agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 05:35 PM
1	does every red piller believe the world/culture is against them? Thanks for proving my point. If a male has a problem, it's whining/entitlement/etc and he's pathetic. If a female has a problem, she's a victim and needs to be comforted. It's an obnoxious double standard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 05:33 PM
2	Red pill - we need you to fix the homogamy. Are you up to the challenge? A quick ctrl+f reveals no instances of the words "marry" or "marriage" in that article so I'm still not seeing your point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 04:10 AM
2	does every red piller believe the world/culture is against them? Oh yeah, I can't change it anyway so I should just get over it and move on with life. I mean, it's not like society owes it to me to change itself in order to accommodate how I feel. Because that's exactly how feminists have dealt with society's "oppression" of and "discrimination" against women. Right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 04:08 AM
1	If your sister was a sex worker in an area where it is legal, would you be hesitant to share a soda with her? Depends on if her rule is no-kissing or not. If she doesn't make out with her customers I'd probably be fine with it (and again, assuming there is STD testing as well). If she does, well eh, I think that would bother me, yeah.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 04:00 AM
3	Red pill - we need you to fix the homogamy. Are you up to the challenge? Okaaaay. You're gonna have to clarify the difference for me. Do you mean the manosphere? Because TRP is one facet of that, but the manosphere is not all part of TRP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/15 12:38 AM
3	does every red piller believe the world/culture is against them? Why do I care that the mainstream of society is aligned to not only exclude me from the dating market, but make sure the narrative is that it's all my fault to boot? Wow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 11:31 PM
5	Red pill - we need you to fix the homogamy. Are you up to the challenge? As in don't get married? We are talking about the same thing here, right? Because many (probably not 100%) RPers call marriage a bum deal for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 11:29 PM
2	does every red piller believe the world/culture is against them? Modern culture does not work against me in general, but with regards to dating specifically, it absolutely does. Women in my age group (early mid 20's) are not interested in commitment or long-term prospects and are instead either looking for that "special someone" (read: a hot guy) or off the market entirely. Therefore my strengths (education, earning power, emotional stability, etc.) are rendered moot and I am left out in the cold, probably at least until I'm 30 if many accounts are to be beli…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 09:47 PM
4	Red pill - we need you to fix the homogamy. Are you up to the challenge? I don't see the problem. I would never marry a woman with substantially less earning power than me due to the threat of alimony. And TRP generally advocates the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 09:30 PM
2	A BP View, Part 2: Anger Hurts Your Game. Oh women definitely aren't afraid to shoot guys down. We probably wouldn't be having a lot of these conversations if guys could generally expect a positive response when asking a girl out. Women do need to invent excuses to do so however. "He's just not attractive enough for my standards," the real reason in 90% of the cases, is not a socially acceptable thing to say. It makes the person saying it look shallow and creates cognitive dissonance with the idea that "just being yourself!" is the silv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 09:25 PM
6	A BP View, Part 2: Anger Hurts Your Game. Anger is also the difference between creepy and not creepy. When you're talking to a girl and you're holding onto some anger, resentment or hatred, you’re probably sending out “creepy” vibes. Your gaze isn't complimenting her looks anymore, it's transmitting malice. You look scary, and she's going to tell all her friends. I agree with the general point that anger doesn't help you, but this part is bullsmack. "Creepiness" is a function primarily of physical attractiveness, the more attractive a m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 02:30 AM
2	Red Pillers: If the entire world took the red pill, what would change for men and women? Would women benefit? I don't think women would be happier since TRP takes a very harsh view of them compared with the perpetual victimhood status that they enjoy in mainstream culture currently. Especially if the hypothetical situation is one of the current highly-feminized society transitioning into one where RP philosophy dominates, women would be very resentful then since they would remember and miss the privileges that they had under feminism (whether they were deserved or not). If we're talking about a world wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 02:19 AM
0	Can men give advice to women on how to attract a high-quality man, or does the "fisherman" analogy work both ways? I would agree with that. I would also say that when it comes to securing LTR commitment from a male, the fisherman analogy does indeed apply. Most men probably cannot give you good advice on the topic since they themselves don't know what a LTR-worthy girl would look like to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 02:04 AM
6	What is feminism? Feminism has an academic definition which women will trot out when it suits them (i.e. "you don't know what feminism really is!" as you described in the OP), however the gap between what feminism is as an abstract concept and what is said and done in its name in practice is so huge as to render any attempt at a concrete definition completely meaningless. In reality, "feminism" means whatever is most convenient at the moment for socially progressive women looking for ways to prop up their entitle…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/15 01:11 AM
0	Can men give advice to women on how to attract a high-quality man, or does the "fisherman" analogy work both ways? It applies to some men, but not others. However one big difference that people often forget in this regard, men are easier to catch than women. A man's standards for what kind of woman he is willing to date and/or fuck is generally much lower than a woman's standards for men. Therefore it is much easier to ask the "fish" and get a more or less correct answer, because they require much less effort and finesse to catch in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/15 11:54 PM
12	Why does Purple Pill think that Asian and Indian Men Suffer in Dating? Woooooow. That's hilarious that someone out there actually thinks that being "sex-positive" is the problem with Indian guys. The real problem is the same problem that plenty of guys have for all kind of reasons, they are not perceived as high status. White men are generally considered higher status in American society therefore they generate more tingles. An Indian girl feels more daring fucking a white guy than she does one of her own race, and therefore gets more chemicals going around in her …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/15 11:29 PM
9	Beta Husband finds out his wife is cheating via snapchat, asks Reddit what to do. At least he found out before he had a kid with her. Poor guy.	/r/TheRedPill	12/01/15 10:20 PM
0	What's your take on Pierce Brosnan choice of staying and being in love with an obese woman? Probably. From what I've seen TRP will jump at any chance to use the word "landwhale."	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/15 03:10 PM
1	If make up and dressing up is something women do for themselves or other women... Dyed hair, short hair, eye makeup, none of these are turnoffs to guys in general. Some more traditional/conservative people might not be fans but trust me there are just as many who would actually get more turned on by it, or at the least would not mind it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/15 04:56 AM
1	What's your take on Pierce Brosnan choice of staying and being in love with an obese woman? That is not an obese woman lol. The fact that you would call her such is just a demonstration of how absurdly strict modern expectations are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/15 04:54 AM
2	A BP view: TRP isn't crazy. I basically agree with you. I agree with some fundamental concepts espoused by TRP (what women do doesn't match up with what they say, being nice actually works against you despite all mainstream insistence to the contrary, etc.). But some of the more outlandish things that get upvoted there, I am not so sure about. I don't think it's okay to fuck married women (or even women that are in an LTR) for example, and they banned people from making topics that support that view. I also don't line up w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/01/15 04:46 AM
1	What is the female equivalent to "thinking with your dick?" Of course and it already has a name, has for a while now. It's called Alpha Fux	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/15 11:52 PM
1	What do you think about this TRP thread discussing Elliot Rodger pre-shooting? Anyone who associates TRP with Elliot Rodger in any way shape or form is straw manning hard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/15 11:16 PM
1	Study finds more reasons to get and stay married -- Is it time for RPers to rethink their aversion to marriage? If the two have nothing to do with one another (and I agree they don't), that kind of shoots down the article's whole premise of "yeah marriage is great if you married your best friend."	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/01/15 05:44 PM
2	You know how we mock posters about the whole "Her husband might hurt you" observations? Yeah... about that. Not to discount the general point that women do indeed cry rape to avoid responsibility, but in this case the whole being a meth head thing is a pretty big factor to consider. Not just because of how your judgment can be affected while on drugs, but also because people doing meth don't tend to be the most emotionally stable folks to start with.	/r/TheRedPill	11/01/15 07:34 AM
38	Reading TRP makes me depressed, if it's the truth then it makes me hate everyone. Reading TRP is liberating for me, because I've always thought a lot of these things, long before I discovered this sub--but if I even suggested them aloud I would get shot down for being insensitive, politically incorrect, what have you. So for me, it was the other way around. I felt like I hated everyone before adopting a RP mindset; now I don't, since I've learned to just view people in terms of what they have to offer me, and let them hamster away everything else all they want.	/r/TheRedPill	10/01/15 07:05 AM
27	She wanted different dick, and her exact words were "It got boring between us and I wanted something new, I knew what I was doing." At least the guy did the right thing and broke it off instead of trying to forgive her or some other nonsense.	/r/TheRedPill	10/01/15 06:50 AM
5	Where do you draw the line between narcissism and the normal human desire to be validated and loved? You draw the line at whatever you can get away with. People act as selfishly as they believe they can without drawing any disapproval from others. The incentives governing it are pretty simple really.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/15 03:55 AM
3	Study finds more reasons to get and stay married -- Is it time for RPers to rethink their aversion to marriage? That's what I'm saying, women go for the tingles first and hope the rest works itself out (as opposed to investing in a relationship with a guy they see as a good friend/confidante/etc. and hoping that he can give her tingles later). Hence, why the idea of "marrying your best friend" is such an impractical one (for guys at least, girls can do it if they choose, but many won't).	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/15 03:37 AM
2	men who plate and women who cultivate beta orbiters? The problem is that it's too easy to hamster away the nature of the relationship, both for the party that is primarily giving and the one that is primarily receiving. Confront a plate or a beta orbiter about the nature of their "friendship" or whatever and tell them that they're being used, and they'll probably scoff and just call you an asshole. In an ideal world people wouldn't use others for their own ends, but in the real world it's always going to be a thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/15 03:32 AM
4	What's the relationship between a woman's partner count and how well she performs sexually? "Experience" doesn't matter nearly as much as enthusiasm/attraction. The minimum threshold for a girl to know what she's doing when it comes to sex is pretty low. The question is just how excited she is about doing it. A girl could have over a hundred previous partners but "perform" horribly (or fail to perform at all, in one sense) when giving duty sex to her BB husband. I don't often use the word "hamstering" but if someone seriously thinks "oh good she slept with dozens and dozens of guys she…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/01/15 12:45 AM
3	Study finds more reasons to get and stay married -- Is it time for RPers to rethink their aversion to marriage? The problem with the conclusion is apparent in the very first sentence of your post. The girls who have called me their "best friend" would not even consider going on 1 date with me, never mind getting married. Not much I can do there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/15 07:28 AM
2	CMV - Lower Status Men should seek out regulated sexual marketplaces rather than playing the dating game. Not only would it help RPers shut up, but it would also create, y'know, an actual sexual marketplace. Prostitution being illegal vastly inflates the value of the main card that women hold on the dating market (access to sex).	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/15 07:15 AM
1	CMV - Lower Status Men should seek out regulated sexual marketplaces rather than playing the dating game. I've actually seen quite a few people talk about the benefits of looking abroad for partners instead of in America. Topics on TRP of guys talking about how much better their options were in Thailand or wherever, vids of guys explaining why women from certain countries make far better wives than American women (who are described as spoiled princesses basically), etc. The problem is that there's a huge cost involved in uprooting the rest of your life just to maybe improve your dating chances. Reme…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/01/15 07:11 AM
-3	Bluepill advice focuses on philosophy, rather than results. Close friends and family are just as likely to do the "well you shouldnt have.." stuff as anyone else. Counsellers probably not, since thats what they're trained not to say. But why on earth do you assume that a persons friends and family necessarily know what to say to a rape victim? Family say all kinds of shit. Welp, those are pretty shitty "close friends and family" then. They're acting wrongly in that instance. Other than the fact that, y'know, people might like to know theres a fucking rap…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/15 03:15 PM
9	My grievances with The Red Pill. Remember that TRPers love to bash on betas as well as women. Going by their narrative a large subset of men (beta enablers) are indeed partially to blame.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/15 07:21 AM
1	My grievances with The Red Pill. Male Violence Men being "more violent by nature" doesn't justify longer prison sentences. The crime they committed should determine how long they're sentenced for, not the extremely subjective question of what is "in their nature." Men being "defaulted as possible rapists" is absurd and sexist. Men are more likely to commit rape than women, but that's like saying that you're more likely to win the lottery if you buy 10 tickets instead of 1. Even if you buy those extra 9 tickets you don't suddenl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/15 07:19 AM
-2	Bluepill advice focuses on philosophy, rather than results. Yea, talking about a girl's "rape story" totally doesn't imply the involvement of, y'know, an actual rapist. Nice try though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/15 03:34 AM
-1	Women in Askwomen declare that it's Sexist if you want a women to take your name if you get Married I don't see what the issue is honestly. I agree a man shouldn't take his wife's name, but I think it shows some insecurity to care so much about sharing the girl's name. She's still adding yours to hers, if anything a hyphenated name makes it more clear that she's married and off-the-market just by looking at it (whereas it's not immediately apparent when looking at a single-word last name that it wasn't hers originally).	/r/TheRedPill	08/01/15 03:33 AM
3	Bluepill advice focuses on philosophy, rather than results. Do you just want people to explicitly state for you that raping girls is bad? Because the use of the word "rapist" already implies that the perpetrator acted very wrongly without need of further explanation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/15 03:19 AM
-1	Bluepill advice focuses on philosophy, rather than results. There really isn't a middle ground. If you're too sensitive to handle people criticizing your poor decisions, then don't share your rape story. Counseling, the police, and close friends and family (who are almost certain to be sympathetic to the victim instead of telling her it's all her fault--since, y'know, they are close friends and family) are there to help with your rape, there is no need to broadcast that you were raped in a public space.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/15 03:09 AM
0	Bluepill advice focuses on philosophy, rather than results. No it isn't, it's smart to sleep with the right people. For a girl too, there are guys who brag about every girl that even slightly hits on them, if you are a girl sleeping with this guy will tarnish your reputation. How are you going to know which girl is going to blab about your dick size, though? That's the thing about people talking behind your back, they don't do it where you can hear. What are you going to do, make her promise not to tell anyone you're only 4 inches? Because I'm sure that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/15 03:06 AM
6	Bluepill advice focuses on philosophy, rather than results. Hitting on girls when they have a guy next to them that might be a boyfriend. If I found myself associating with guys that would actually beat the shit out of me for this, I would take it as a sign that I need to find new company. Also it's rarely a "might be," in my experience it tends to be pretty obvious if the girl's relationship with the guy standing with her is sexual or not. Guy asks on /r/sex if his 4 inch penis will cause him problems when dating. The BP advice actually is right though …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/15 02:44 AM
4	Bluepill advice focuses on philosophy, rather than results. Telling people to take precautions is not "victim-blaming." If it is, then I'm fine with being a "victim-blamer." Getting wasted around guys you don't know at a stranger's house, walking down dark alleyways alone and without personal protection, etc., is dumb. Raping girls is wrong. The latter being wrong does not affect the former being dumb.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/01/15 02:34 AM
50	Guy's girlfriend won't give him blowjobs, beta transformation in progress As soon as you can't talk to your girlfriend about sex without her getting "offended," that's when you should know you have a serious problem on your hands. If I was him I'd just go ahead and next her, getting the relationship back out of such an uncomfortable place would be a pain in the ass.	/r/TheRedPill	07/01/15 09:34 PM
2	How do you know if a guy is a slut? By definition guys cannot be sluts. If you want them to be considered "sluts" for sleeping around (not just by you personally, but by society in general), big change in social dynamics has to happen first. Men rarely experience shame about, or feel the need to hide, their sexual past. It's unlikely that you will need to "find out" if a guy has slept with a lot of girls or not, you will probably be able to figure it out just by being around him without putting in any special effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/15 09:27 PM
1	CMV- AWALT is a ridiculous thing to say. Women are a population of over 3 billion people, not a hivemind. That may or may not be true, but you're wasting time if you give it any serious amount of thought (unless you are somehow in a situation where you suddenly do need to navigate the dating market of a 3rd world country). Extending the generalization to other cultures is unnecessary and just gives ammo to BPers looking for an angle from which to shoot it down (as seen in this very topic).	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/15 06:58 PM
5	CMV- AWALT is a ridiculous thing to say. Women are a population of over 3 billion people, not a hivemind. It just has to be given a slight amount of context. "AWALT" is not an absolute, there are always outliers and extreme cases, but it does mean that most women are "like that" to an extent that you can safely assume it until proven otherwise when interacting with a woman. I think you're smart enough to know that you can't discount a general trend because it "only" holds true for say, 80 or 90 percent of the population. Also, of course it only refers to middle-class western women (and perhaps Ameri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/15 04:53 PM
1	is it beta to hit on women? "Hitting on" a woman implies a fleeting or casual gesture of interest, which doesn't strike me as "beta."	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/15 06:26 AM
3	is it beta to hit on women? "Pursuing" a woman in the sense of continuing to try and get something going with her even though she's already turned you down and/or every time you see her nothing happens, yes, that's very beta. It's called getting friend-zoned. Alphas still approach but they won't stay around in the event that their advances are refused, they will next her. And yes, I do think girls can sense the difference between the two, and the beta does come off as desperate/needy/whatever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/15 06:25 AM
2	Why do some redpillers avoid/dislike "sluts" (women who have sex with many men)? Please, no juvenile urban legend type reasons (her vagina loose, sloppy seconds, AIDS, etc...). While I wouldn't be so worried about AIDS, concerns about getting, say, herpes are very well-founded. A substantial segment of the population has the disease and it's not hard to figure out what kind of person is most likely to have it. Because sex requires no effort for women to get (men are the ones who approach, women just say yes or no), slutty behavior demonstrates a certain lack of character to a lot of people. It shows a lack of self-restraint, an inability to resist the temptation to ove…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/01/15 03:48 AM
1	the communist/socialist scares on the neo-reactionaries The idea that you are losing the fight is a useful narrative for pushing an agenda. You always want your side to be the underdog struggling against the system, not the comfortable and established status quo. This is why you see so much fear-mongering from both sides of the aisle in politics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 09:55 PM
11	How women's "feels" view a Pre-nup. I like to tell people that if a woman does not want a pre-nup, no problem, she just needs to out-earn me by a significant amount so that if we have shared accounts and divorce, I get to be the one living on her money. If she wants to have a shared account but also wants me to bring home most of the dough, sorry, but then it's my money my rules. After all, if men and women are equal as feminism says, men should be just as entitled to keep their own earnings as women are.	/r/TheRedPill	06/01/15 09:52 PM
2	CMV: TRP mods and RPW mods have every right to ban BP men and women. The problem is that with a sub that draws as much hate as TRP it's a very fine line to walk between respectful disagreement and honest dialogue on the one hand, or trolling/bashing with no intention of ever contributing anything else to the sub. I have posted comments on TRP that disagreed with most of them on whatever principle or topic was at hand (such as the "it's okay to fuck married women" thing, I don't agree with that) and I haven't been banned, but I also never engage in name-calling, i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 09:39 PM
3	Aren't women just people? No offense, but almost everyone thinks they are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 03:42 PM
3	Aren't women just people? Oh sure, there's nothing wrong with being nice. Just reminding you that it's possible for someone to not be an asshole, and even be a fairly pleasant individual, and still qualify as a self-centered egoist. Every person qualifies to some extent, by definition. Some just moreso than others (and some people are more subtle in how they push their agenda than others).	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 08:42 AM
0	A little thought experiment on the whole "men=studs, women=sluts" debate. Girls do not need to spend the amount of time that they do on hair and makeup. Most girls in their 20's, assuming no crippling and obvious flaw that needs to be overcome (being overweight, some kind of legitimate deformity, very bad acne, etc.), can go out with very minimal effort on those things and still get dates and get laid, no problem. They do it anyways, probably for various other reasons that I don't really care enough to try and discuss or understand, but I firmly believe that it is not…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 08:40 AM
1	A little thought experiment on the whole "men=studs, women=sluts" debate. Well the concern is that a high partner count (among women at least, I am not familiar with how it works for men although I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same) leads to a higher chance of cheating, or failing that, of the girl simply getting bored and wanting to have variety again leading to problems and eventual breakup. It's a legitimate concern I think given that the notion of settling down with one person for life is still so prevalent. If you want to be more realistic about it you shoul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 08:32 AM
4	Aren't women just people? Do note that being nice to others in a social setting is still a very self-centered action. It costs you nothing, and generally brings you approval and acceptance by others.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 08:20 AM
1	A little thought experiment on the whole "men=studs, women=sluts" debate. I get your point and I agree, but the metaphor just has to be adjusted slightly to take away the "well the white guy had to work hard too hurr durr" excuse. It would be more accurate if one person had to struggle to succeed and the other literally had to do nothing, just exist in society and have others approach them and offer the object in question to them on a silver platter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 08:17 AM
3	A little thought experiment on the whole "men=studs, women=sluts" debate. It may just be sour grapes when incels are crying about slutty behavior, but if it were only incels that cared about it "slut shaming" wouldn't be a real thing as women (or anyone else) hardly care what they think. I've seen plenty of more eligible guys who avoid a LTR with a specific girl, or feel hesitant to start one, because he knows of how she has behaved in the past. There is definitely a double standard in how promiscuous behavior is perceived between the sexes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 08:05 AM
3	CMV: The Sexodus is BAD for women. Both anecdotes and hard data show this. If you're a heterosexual woman who values long term relationships/marriage, you should be against the blue pill view of the world. Women want to keep up the "it's all men's fault for being babies" narrative, I'm honestly fine with that. I'm on track to get a PhD well before I'm 30 so I plan to take full advantage. The more guys you shove into the Sexodus the better it will be for me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 04:01 AM
5	The damage of the cock carousel... Sure, single women have the same amount of cash to play with as married women and the same pressures on how much of it they spend. In fact, they'll somehow spend more!..... Sorry, but you're gonna have to walk me through that one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 02:45 AM
1	The damage of the cock carousel... Why insist on a distinction that you aren't willing (or able?) to put in concrete terms yourself? Shaming tactics 101 here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 02:44 AM
2	At what point did you realize that you were beta? When a girl told me that she sees me like a brother, that was when I knew. I thought to myself, shit, I completely fucked this up (not just in my interaction with that specific girl, but rather with the opposite sex in general). This was a couple years ago now, well before I ever heard of any of these pills. I was very surprised to see my thoughts at least partially validated on RP, as all my real-life friends and acquaintances told me I was so lucky to be such good friends with someone that I w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 02:39 AM
1	The damage of the cock carousel... Ha, dodging the question and making sure to quote it without its context. Color me surprised.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 02:36 AM
3	The damage of the cock carousel... Yes, you'll notice that I said they can't consume as much, not that they can't consume anything at all. 2 incomes allows them to consume much more than just 1, obviously. Nice try though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 02:33 AM
2	The damage of the cock carousel... What's the difference? Because "feminist" can mean very different things to different people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 02:32 AM
2	The damage of the cock carousel... Women do love to consume, but without a husband's pocketbook to dip into they can't consume nearly as much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 02:24 AM
2	The damage of the cock carousel... Guys that are able to do something with girls are generally the ones who are into redpill, so it's reasonable to assume that most of them are at least average appearance-wise. Incel guys won't put much energy into it (if they don't outright reject it as stupid/hateful) since their efforts aren't going to see results. Redpill is more attractive to guys who are able to engage with women to some degree, but are frustrated or unsatisfied with the results they've gotten so far.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 02:10 AM
3	The damage of the cock carousel... 7 months is not very long, and not generally indicative of long-term prospects. You haven't even moved in with him yet. How many couples that end up divorcing, do you think saw it coming that early in their relationship? Not very many, if any at all. Not that you can't end up living happily ever after together, that's always possible, it's just that you can't really say "look I'm a CC rider who can do LTRs! We're not like that!" with just 7 months and not even moved in together, much less engage…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 02:04 AM
3	The damage of the cock carousel... Of course, just a passing mention of porn and that becomes what the thread is about...... so much easier to attack than the actual behavior of women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 01:59 AM
2	The damage of the cock carousel... There is no way to prove that the CC is harmful, except for the fact that it's correlated with higher incidence of divorce/breakup. So basically you can't prove it except that you can. I mean, correlation is not irrefutable proof of connection (after all, if it was, there would not still be so many deniers) but it does make the correlated factor by far the most likely explanation. That right there is why I consider the CC harmful. I know how those women behave, and what their life patterns are. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 01:57 AM
2	The damage of the cock carousel... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/21/americans-arent-getting-married-and-researchers-think-porn-is-part-of-the-problem/ Porn is free, wives, girlfriends and children are extremely expensive. Men who stay single are probably going to engage in less consumer spending as a result.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/01/15 01:51 AM
2	My brother the BP and another friendly reminder that AWALT He fell prey to snowflake syndrome. Never let yourself think that you are a "special case" which will somehow break all the established trends. If something usually turns out a certain way..... it's probably going to turn out that way for you, too.	/r/TheRedPill	05/01/15 04:47 PM
5	What is your opinion on the Kaley Cuoco feminism debate? It's absurd. It's a "with-us-or-against-us" mentality, going from giving women choice to cook for their husbands if they want to (what feminism was supposed to be about) to telling them what they have to do (reject any kind of traditional gender role) and shaming them if they don't. The disconnect between what feminism is in theory, and how it's applied in actions is just staggering.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/15 02:42 PM
2	Red Pillers: What have you seen on TRP that went too far or made you cringe? I don't care for Kantian thought but you don't need it to disagree with screwing married women. You just need common sense. It's a risk and it's more trouble than it's worth. Given that TRP is all about the "abundance mentality," it should be easy to just "next" a married woman and find a girl without such baggage attached.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/01/15 02:59 AM