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I've made this comment before. Italy and the UK have recently had women and short men as heads of government, and I'm not sure it's a coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:16 PM

I live in Mexico. It's very progressive in some ways, but very traditionalist in others.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:13 PM
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I know it's popular to say that the US has never had a woman president because of sexism. However, when countries like India, Ukraine, and Mexico, i.e., countries reputed to have much more traditionalist views on gender than the US, have had female heads of government, I feel like sexism as the explanation for the US's lack of one doesn't quite add up. Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 08:12 PM

Once again, I want to say that David Pakman and Trent Reznor strike me as short guys with tall guy proportions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 08:08 PM
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Is this a joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:30 AM
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In particular, I'd like to know what women here think are the signs that a woman is likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:28 AM
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I'm not minimizing women's pain. I'm sure they do sometimes feel destroyed. However, tell me what is worse, inner pain on its own or inner pain plus social shame?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:07 PM

It's not obvious to me. Can you give some examples of why I'm wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:56 PM

Even women are getting soured on marriage. Why though, if they get basically all the benefits and none of the downsides?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:38 PM
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I have faced with that situation, and I never got back together with the cheater. The trust is gone, so there is nothing to go back to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:33 AM
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I think the base inner pain is the same, but men have the pain intensified much more by the societal shame heaped upon them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:58 PM
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I don't think it's a majority of women, but I think it's a much larger minority of woman who have this view than men who have it in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:53 PM
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That's simply a way for society to make excuses for or at least downplay male cheating by trying to imply men "can't help themselves" when they full well can; cheating is a choice. Agreed with that last part. Yet, society actually downplays women's cheating more than men's. There have been surveys showing that basically all demographics of men and women are more willing to say that cheating is always wrong when men do it versus when women do it. Likewise, among the younger generations, women che…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:42 PM
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I also think some women are secretly turned on by their man cheating, since it's the ultimate social proof that they (mostly) locked down a desirable man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:04 PM
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I think my opinion is closer to the norm than those simps' is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:58 PM
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So you’re shocked being an asshole has consequences? That's really rich coming from you. How is saying that "Baby boys and baby girls should have equal legal protection of their genital integrity" being an asshole? You cant even name any and you want on to talk about women. None of you actually care. I can name plenty, but I don't have the energy right now. You know what they are; you've been on this forum long enough. Men die sooner, retire later, are given less empathy, get longer sentences fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:58 PM
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I care a lot, but I am just an individual. Plus, since men are still expected to be providers, we have to be much more careful about rocking the boat, since saying something controversial could destroy our reputations and thus our ability to provide for our families.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:41 PM
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Because I can most likely explain how little men care about those issues. It's social. Women are taught that it is brave and socially progressive to fight for their issues, while men are told it is selfish and regressive to do the same. Most rulers are guys and guys are still having problems. "Most rulers are guys" doesn't mean "Most guys are rulers." Apex fallacy overload. Black people didn't become the ruling class when Obama was president and Eric Holder was AG. The fact that most people in f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:39 PM
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ive met plenty of guys who forgave cheating women before. I could never do that. For me, once a woman cheats on me, she might as well be a demon who usurped the body and voice of the woman I thought I knew and loved, and I can't share a life or bed with a demon.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:32 PM
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Most women dont know how hard it is to be a man, it's true. None of those patterns are true for me. I simply see that there are disprivileges and oppressions that men suffer that society doesn't acknowledge, but people are blind to them for some reason. Men have been told for more than 50 years how hard it is to be a woman, so we're pretty aware of women's struggles, but the other side of the coin has never been widely disseminated, so most women still need to be educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:27 PM
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I'm sorry, but I still think being cheated on is much harder as a man than as a woman, for the following reasons: No woman was ever forced to take custody of a child who's not hers because of her man's infidelity. When men are cheated on, they are seen as pathetic little bitches who couldn't keep her satisfied, making him seen as less attractive. In turn, when a woman is cheated on, it activates the white knight instincts of good-hearted men, who then want to save her and treat her right. When a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:19 PM

Two essentially identical threads within an hour of each other? What's going on?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:53 PM

Nope. Indeed, when I was a teenager, I would ask my parents what my blood type was, and they didn't know. I know it now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:47 PM
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It's not always a lie. For years, I thought I was 5'9" because I'm the same height as my dad, who always claimed he was 5'9". I'm actually 5'7".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:19 PM
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And honestly, I'm more inclined to say we should treat men more like women than that we should treat women more like men. People should be given grace to make mistakes, and I think men especially need this, given that they're the sex that's expected to be proactive and initiating. However, I'm willing to entertain arguments that we should instead treat women more like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:35 PM
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Going goth did wonders for my love life as a non-NT male, I'll tell you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:59 PM
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If men wanted "heightism" to be taken seriously as a concept they would have to avoid trying to center it around entitlement to getting their dicks wet I get my dick wet anyway, but there is the legitimate fact that tall men get hired more easily and earn more money. Indeed, I wonder if the US failure to elect a woman president is really just an extension of heightism. Jimmy Carter and Harry Truman at 5'9" are the only US presidents of the last 100 years to be less than 5'10". On the other hand,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:53 PM
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TIL I have a porn star build (aka satyr build).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:05 AM
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Once again, you strike me as a very sensible person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:39 AM
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Thanks for your interesting response. I agree with that, even though I retroactively consented when it happened to me. Still, a little "Can I give you a little grab down there?" would have been appreciated. She clearly thought that making out implied my consent for her to grab my dick and balls.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:32 AM
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Are you Latin American? This is very LatAm coded.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:40 PM

My wife has been SAH for most of the last 11 years, including the lifetime of our toddler son. I respect her a ton. I thank her for her hard work almost every day (certainly much more than she thanks me for mine). She has multiple degrees too. I have never limited resources for her. I will never divorce her as long as she is faithful and isn't too disrespectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:59 PM
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It's being asked now. Also, I wanted to know if women consider making out implied consent for a man to grab her genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:51 PM
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How bothered did he seem by his super wizard status?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:49 PM
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You don't think grabbing dick is weird?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:48 PM
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I'm hardly ever angry. I'm only angry when others are angry at me, especially people who are supposed to love me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:39 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:31 PM
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Agreed, but because of how men are socialized, women's sexual assault of men is often invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:31 PM
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Well, I found it flattering to know she wanted it so bad she couldn't even wait for my consent. Still sexual assault, but I could see the bright side of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:30 PM
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I have the story about the woman who backed me into a corner at a club and shoved her tongue into my mouth. She completely ruined my chances with the cougar I had been flirting with and kissing that night (who got so angry that she immediately went home), and the coug's friends scolded me for "being a player," even though I reiterated that it was not with my consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:00 PM
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I'm not tall, but I have a big dick. If I were in online dating today rather than happily off the market, I would joke that I may look like I'm 5'7", but I'm actually 6'2.5", and you just have to get to know me a little better to experience the other 7.5".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:40 PM
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Would you tell a girl the same if a guy goes for her junk? I actually didn't dislike it, but the fact is that she had no way of knowing when she did it, since she didn't first ask for my consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:33 PM
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Ladies, let's say that you're making out with a guy you're attracted to at a club, and without asking, a few minutes into the make-out session, he grabs you by the pussy. Are you okay with it or not? Do you consider it sexual assault or not? EDIT: Okay, since I'm being downvoted, I feel like it's important to make a full disclosure of why I'm asking this question. This has happened to me in reverse. It is often said that men sexually assault more than women do. However, I honestly think that wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:04 PM
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Based on my experience of women kissing me and grabbing my dick without my consent, I don't think women are any better at consent than men. Men just know that society expects them to walk it off when they get sexually abused, so we learn to get over it instead of calling the police, thus erasing women who do commit sexual assault from the record.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:53 PM

We respect stay-at-home moms a lot. The reason we don't want to be stay-at-home dads is because we know that we as men won't be respected in that role. Also, it's well-known that when you add up total paid and non-paid hours of work, men and women pretty much break even.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:43 PM
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Women want men to manage their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:44 PM
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We just want a little reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:47 AM
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Yep, that's exactly what I'm trying to say! It's like two rich Anglo-Americans in the early 20th century arguing over whether racism against Italians is right. Neither of them is against racism, it's just that one thinks Italians are white and the other doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:13 PM
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I grant that there are reasonable feminists, but it's not hard to cite feminists who have had institutional clout saying hateful things about men. I used to be moved by mainstream feminists' condemnation of TERFs, but when I realized that their stand against bigotry doesn't usually apply to people like me, I became disillusioned, and now I'm just indifferent and jaded when I see them taking a stand against TERFs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:12 PM
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Men are far more socialized than women are. Man are taught how to treat women, but women are not taught how to treat men. That is why men tend to be better partners: not because we're biologically better or anything ridiculous like that, but because we've been socialized to treat our partners better. And men listen to women all the time. The fact that men decided to give them the vote shows it. They didn't have to listen to you, because what were you going to do, vote them out? Men like making w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:02 PM
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I always find it hilarious and rich when mainstream feminists get morally outraged by TERFs, as if mainstream feminists didn't tend to treat men with the same distrust, disgust, and antipathy with which TERFs treat trans women (because they think they are men in disguise anyway, so they treat men the same way too). The Venn diagram for the people they hate is overwhelmingly overlapping. They need to get off their moral high horses and quit acting like they're so much better for only having bigot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:58 PM
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Hey, at least he didn't lie about not sharing each other like my ex did.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:50 PM
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That sucks indeed, but even worse is when you agree to be exclusive and not share each other, and for you to be all theirs and them to be all yours, and yet they still cheat on you and try to gaslight you into saying that you were never together (all because I never said the exact magic words, "Do you want to be my girlfriend?"; I thought that was all implied when we agreed to sexual exclusivity that she failed to honor, but what the hell do I know?).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:48 PM

Not as limited as those who say they're all just hateful, right-wing, incel chuds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:45 PM

19th c. British Romanticism, hello?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:44 PM
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Women have a long history of weaponizing the narrative of their supposed superior feminine intuition in order to argue that their feels are objective truth. Shakira even wrote a song about it ("Las mujeres somos las de la intuición," i.e., "We women are the intuitive ones"). If women would admit that humans in general just suck at reading each other, and that they as humans are no exception, they would get a whole lot more grace on this matter. Indeed, I don't know why women aren't more honest a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:41 PM

Interesting hypothesis. More info?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:33 AM

I was very romantic (and Romantic; I am a big fan of Byron and Shelley, among others). However, the years gone by have jaded me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:49 AM

I know my life would have been easier if I had been born a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:30 AM

But it's not just the fat women. It's generalized. And men's clothing has followed the same trend. Generation Z seems to have a vendetta against flattering silhouettes across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:22 AM

2010s. 2000s had lots of loose cargo pants. Skinny jeans came into style around 2008 IIRC.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:56 AM

I imagine most redpillers are jaded, disillusioned romantics who just wanted to woo women by reciting poetry to them and going on moonlit strolls in the park.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:30 AM

That's fine. What I hate is being treated like a moral failure just because I need more rest time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:17 AM

I honestly don't know, but it feels like Gen Z has some kind of allergy to flattering silhouettes for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:21 AM

No offense, but why does Gen Z seem to have such poor fashion sense? Every time I see a video of a Millennial's style being updated to Gen Z style, the result is almost always less flattering and more matronly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:16 AM
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Ok. And contrary to the usual dynamic, I was the 24 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:05 AM

For example, when there's a war, who do we send to fight and die? Males. If there's a shipwreck, who are the last people to be rescued? Males. What kind of baby does the law say in supposedly enlightened Western countries that it's okay to mutilate the genitals of? Male babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:03 AM

Are you going to deny her agency? She didn't say that she was raped, so that was as much her decision as his.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:00 AM

I wish my wife were a little lazier. She was raised by parents who would tell her to stop reading and pick up a broom, and it shows. I don't know how to get it through to her that it's not a moral failure to rest or do non-physical work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:57 PM

Neither do I about mine, but that's not the question I asked. I asked you if you've heard of the concept of male disposability.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:53 PM
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Wait, so he lied about his age? I asked specifically about 31 and 24, because those are the ages my wife and I were when we met.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:52 PM

The gender that is deemed disposable by others, not that I believe he is disposable. Have you never heard of the concept of male disposability?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:48 PM
1

No, not internalized misandry, but fear of externalized misandry towards him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:39 PM
2

It's pretty much the same at all schools around here (Mexico City). If he wants to grow his hair out, we'll let him and fight the school.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:38 PM

Reputation is extremely important to men because men are expected to be the providers, so we have to be much more careful about doing and saying the right thing, lest we become unemployable and can't provide for our families. And as for crime, I never reported the woman sexually assaulted me by shoving her tongue down my throat at a club. As Dave Chappelle said about men who get SAed, there's no hotline for us when it happens, and when it does happen to us, we're expected to just walk it off and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:21 PM

Women have been allowed to be independent for over 40 years now. My mom was an independent woman in the '70s and '80s until the desire to have children called. Even then, she was the breadwinner during most of our childhood. I'm surprised when people cite women's Independence as the reason for not wanting men anymore. Women were allowed to be independent for decades before the current wave of misandry started.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:15 PM
3

I think it's really weird and unfair how misogynistic men are rightly called out for having relationships with women, but it's seen as completely acceptable for misandrist women to have relationships with men. I feel like I never could have married a misandrist woman. My wife is actually pretty good about men's issues, and has become even better since we had a boy. Little by little, she's seeing things that our son has to go through that she never had to go through. Perhaps this might seem small…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:03 PM
2

That's sad, but I'm glad for your sake that you were born the sex that she wanted. Were she and your father divorced? What was her relationship like with him? I'm always confused by misandrist women who somehow had no problem fucking men to get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:57 PM

As a man who wasn't raised that way, trust me when I tell you that men who are not raised to be hyper-masculine suffer in life and dating compared to those who are. If women suddenly woke up and decided that they like sweet, gentle guys, the male sex would change overnight, and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:55 PM

Women definitely are feared socially, and men definitely do get blamed for dating women who falsely accuse them or give them STDs. When a former ex of mine serially cheated on me, I was told, "But you knew she was bi, didn't you?" Men get victim-blamed all the time. Only one sex is given the astonishing power to completely ruin the other sex's reputation over nothing more than unfounded innuendos and allegations. Nobody should have that power, and of course we are afraid of those who have that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:52 PM
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And people say misandry's not real. I was also devastated when I found out I was going to have a boy, but not because of anything I felt towards him, but rather because of people like this bitch. Like any loving parent, I wanted my child to be on the winning side of the Empathy Gap and not be part of the disposable gender. I was very sad when I learned that was not going to be the case. However, I love my son to pieces, and I am teaching him to respect himself. Also, JFL at the hypocrisy of drea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:16 PM
1

38 here, and yes. Everything was gay. However, people definitely mistook me for gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:10 PM
1

It wasn't traumatic due to the age factor at least. It was a bit messy, but she was honest about her inability to remain loyal to one person, so that helped. We're still friends. We just weren't compatible in the long term. She had a son just a few years younger than me, lol. My really traumatic relationship was with someone just six months younger than me. We had agreed not to share each other, but she cheated on me so much when we were long distance and didn't tell me before I bought the plane…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:06 PM
1

I asked, because I've been the younger one in both of these age gaps. In neither case did anybody ever worry about me, or ask if I was okay. I'm not saying they should have, but the double standard is palpable. In the first case, not even my parents who are usually very attentive said anything about it. My brother just made Mrs. Robinson jokes. In the second case, it was the woman who would become my wife. We are still together almost 15 years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:42 PM
1

I never felt undesirable, just clueless about women's indications of interest unless they were very obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:29 PM
1

It was in a context of rediscovering each other physically after being low-key cockblocked by the exhaustion and desynchronization of raising a toddler.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:04 PM
1

I think for ASD people, the subtler aspects of gender roles are hard to perceive. Things like "wear pants, don't wear skirts" and "don't wear lacy underwear" are easy to follow, but things like "stay within an acceptably masculine range of vocal pitches" or "don't use overly expressive body language" are difficult to quantify, and thus difficult for autists to comply with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:58 PM
3

Was it just me, or is getting mistaken for gay in your teens and twenties a rite of passage if you are a straight man on the autistic spectrum?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:35 PM
1

How about a 40-year-old dating a 22-year-old? A 31 year old dating a 24-year-old?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:30 PM
1

I don't see anything weird about a woman complimenting her man's manhood itself. It also came up within the context of a broader conversation, i.e., she didn't just bring it up out of the blue. As I noted to that blue pill woman up above, I was the one who brought my dick into the conversation, to be fair, joking that it was the only reason she hasn't divorced me. She also has a very long history of complimenting it. When she first saw it, she gasped and said a phrase in Spanish that would trans…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:27 PM
1

Not a red flag at all. We had been talking for a while with the typical openness that the post-coital afterglow inspires, and I had just joked with her that my dick was the only reason she hadn't divorced me (since life's been a bit tense raising a rambunctious toddler).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:22 PM
1

What if it had been at 24 and 31?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:18 PM
2

I would feel flattered if a woman prematurely ejaculated with me. Just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:08 PM
0

I see, you're going to keep this joke going as long as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:02 PM
1

Haha! She's actually older than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:58 PM
1

That feeling when your wife of 12 years and partner of almost 15 years tells you, during the post-coital afterglow, that your dick is the best she's ever had... 🥰😍🤩
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:51 PM

Same with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:43 PM
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Men were pretty damn good from 2009 to 2013, having just elected Obama and hardly done anything wrong or retrograde in terms of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:31 PM
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I wouldn't call it mainstream, since it's pretty restricted to conservative spaces. I agree that a visible minority of men are less sympathetic to women's rights than they were 10 years ago. However, there was already unprovoked misandry brewing between 2009 and 2013. I believe we should support everybody's rights, so don't get me wrong, but this did not come in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:37 PM
-1

Care to elaborate? I think this has something to do with it, although I think we might be thinking this from different angles.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:24 PM
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Being independent doesn't have anything to do with this at all. You can be independent without talking shit about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:23 PM
1

I get that. What I don't get is the increased dislike of men in recent decades, after women got the change they wanted. I'm in my thirties and have never lived in a time when women didn't attend college at rates equal or greater than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:15 PM
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So why do men seem to be more disliked by women than ever if they weren't better or worse in the past? Thank you for sharing your views by the way. You seem like a nice person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:11 PM
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Men have been exposed to women's too. Doesn't paint a prettier picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:05 PM

And you came, or were you like my friends? For me, it was thinking of someone at school.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:43 PM
3

At least disliked more than ever in my 38 years of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:41 PM

I would, but I am trying to rebuild my professional life after AI stole my career away from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:37 PM

I wondered if my friends just didn't have developed enough testes to cum yet. It wasn't clear to me. I had the hairiest legs among my friends that year, and a deepish voice, so maybe I developed faster than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:35 PM
0

Not over housework per se, but feeling like the other person has such rigid standards exactly how it should be done that the one person has to keep projecting the other person's standards instead of being able to rely on common sense. Anyone who has experienced this knows how exhausting it is, but since men are so flexible about these sorts of things, I don't think most women know how it feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:23 PM
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They can? Last I checked, men have become progressively more egalitarian, kinder, and less violent over the past century, only to be disliked more than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:15 PM
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Men kill more other men than women, so I guess internalized misandry is more common than misogyny. Women killing men is never classed as a hate crime, so I won't buy biased statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:13 PM
0

For me, taking care of your partner is being flexible so that they don't have to be filled with so much anxiety about doing simple things wrong that they get paralyzed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:12 PM
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On the other side, I once told a woman I was interested in her, and that if she's interested, we can be together. For context, according to her best friend, who was also my best female friend, she found me attractive. However, when I was put off by her lack of enthusiastic reciprocation and her putting up walls, she apparently complained to our mutual friend that I hadn't been persistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:11 PM
1

Do you remember your first masturbation? I don't remember the date, but I remember the month and day of the week, and that it was the first week of the respective month. I was 12. I remember thinking, "Oh my God! That's the whitish fluid I read about in those puberty books!" The next day, I asked my friends if they jacked off, to which most said yes, but none had ever cummed from it. I didn't understand. What's the point of jerking off at that age if you don't get relief from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:02 PM
1

Isn't that Fat Bastard?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:57 PM
1

It's different, because men didn't ask women to change, but women asked men to change. Men changed to make women happier, but it hasn't seemed to make them happier, so what's going on? What do men need to do to make women happier if not what women are asking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:54 PM
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I think there needs to be more awareness of the mental load men bear from being expected to provide in a changing world and from having to think not only "is this clean?" but also "is this how my partner likes it?" when doing housework. Men don't care as long as something is clean, but women seem to expect things to be clean in their exact preferred way, and that's exhausting for a man. Men don't have less of a mental load than women; it's just that men are still expected not to complain, so nob…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:49 PM
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And PS, women can be sexually aggressive too, but it is not considered harassment or assault when they do it. For example, the woman who cornered me at a club and shoved her tongue deep into my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:23 PM
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That is false: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-men-femosphere-new-statesman-poll-b2958208.html
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:59 AM
1

Still, public sentiment about men should be proportional if women want to reinforce good behavior. If men get better but see that women treated them with more respect when they were worse, that sends the collective message that not only is getting better not helpful, but might even be counterproductive. I mean, I'm good because I'm naturally morally scrupulous, but I understand why men who lack my scrupulosity might think differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:57 AM
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Once again, I'm not talking about attitudes not changing overnight. I'm talking about men being treated worse than when they were worse. It doesn't make sense. Lagging behind is one thing, but going in the opposite direction is something else entirely. Also, most domestic violence is reciprocal, but women commit 70% of unidirectional domestic violence: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1854883/ https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-psychiatrist/article/domestic-violence-is-most-comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:53 AM
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Saying "Lookin' good, Susan/James." is sexual harassment? I think you would be surprised. If "Lookin' good, Susan/James." is sexual harassment, I definitely got it from one of my old bosses, who would say almost exactly that or "Wow, GPIB, you look so handsome today!"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:45 AM
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Guys would not call human resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:23 PM
1

Many is vague. The fact is that men are kinder, more egalitarian, and less violent than ever. many wish things were how they were before Is that supposed to be a gotcha? Of course they wish that being better than ever wasn't coexisting with being hated and contemned more than ever. Men becoming better should have resulted in women liking men better, at least as human beings if not as sexual partners. When men getting better is either causing or at least coexisting with the opposite reputational …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:20 PM
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Why? Men aren't being more hateful to women than ever, and men are working to be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:16 PM
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except in your analogies the people getting criticized didn’t harm anyone Ummm, you know that around 50% of homicides involve alcohol, don't you? And possibly as many as 75% of rape perpetrators were drinking as well. My true nature? I have never been violent. You wouldn't say such hateful things about an ethnic group, for example. It's not okay in regard to men either. Bigotry is bigotry, and bigotry is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:13 PM
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First of all, what are you? You should have a flair. Secondly, they do make sense, because men are getting better, and they have been for some time. Furthermore, the men of today are not guilty for the sins of the men of yesterday. Collective punishment is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:40 AM
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Yeah, maybe because men did everything? No, let's arrest the women. Men did not do everything. And again, if you said it would be okay to judge an entire ethnic group by something bad that small single digit percentages do, you would be called a bigot. Why do men who are non-violent and non-criminal deserve to be lumped in with the tiny minority of men who are violent and criminal?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:36 AM
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And what percentage of men ever kill women in their lives? Last I checked, the number of men whoever killed another person are in the low single-digit percentages. And given that the vast majority of men's victims are other men, you are definitely judging all men by something that even less than 1% of men do. If you did that with any other immutable group, you would rightly be called a bigot, but somehow is considered okay to do when men are the group concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:13 AM
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Couldn't possibly be all the abuse, rape and murder men commit against women, that women don't commit against men. Committed by a very small minority of men; I don't see how that justifies hatred and mistrust of the vast majority of non-violent men. Men are the only immutable group in society for which this thinking, which is very bigoted, is somehow allowed. As I said elsewhere, I think the most extreme men are worse than the most extreme women, but I think among normal everyday people, women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:10 AM
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So don't you think it's kind of bad form and low and underhanded for women to hate men more than ever when men are better than ever in terms of egalitarian thought and non-violence, etc? Hating men at this juncture to me feels tantamount to mocking a fat person at the gym, or berating an alcoholic who has traded nights at the bar for AA meetings. Men have shown a trend towards greater egalitarianism and less violence for a long time, so isn't hating them when they're at their best and working to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:07 AM
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I think the most extreme men are worse than the most extreme women, but I think among normal everyday people, women are more willing to treat men negatively than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:59 PM
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This goes both ways. It wasn't MRA spaces that placed me in an uphill battle against succumbing to misogyny; it was this one. Never have I ever seen women acting so hateful towards my sex. Of course, I know enough real women out there in the world to avoid thinking all women are bad. However, I feel like this subreddit has low-key broken me a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:47 PM
2

I love bulldogs and their smooshed faces, but I absolutely agree. I used to have an English Bulldog/Boston Terrier mix that I loved, and he lived a long healthy life. However, I agree that English Bulldogs today are kind of a genetic disaster, to put it mildly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:29 PM
1

Like if she's known for some kind of male-centered line of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:43 PM

You mean like blood brothers? Or Bill and Ted?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:37 PM
1

I just wondered if her main activity was somehow male-centered.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:17 PM
1

I don't think that explanation would fly if the sexes were reversed. Also, when she first turned herself into the police for severing the penis, her stated justification was that he was a selfish lover who never waited for her to orgasm before cumming. That to me doesn't make her later allegations of domestic abuse very credible. And if she was abused, surely a man who could sleep through having his dick cut off would also sleep through her driving away and looking for a shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:14 PM
1

Enough to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:59 PM
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No worries.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:43 PM
2

Change "after" to "before" and you're correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:39 PM
1

I'm sorry, but there's no defending a dick cutter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:28 PM
2

Cutting off her husband's dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:28 PM
1

I don't understand what kind of man would look at Lorena Bobbitt's past and say, "Okay, I'll date her."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:52 PM
0

Who is the male-centered woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:51 PM
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Hey, even Lorena Bobbitt remarried somehow. Not sure what kind of fool could bring himself to say, "Ok, you cut off your ex-husband's dick, but that's okay, it's all in the past."
/r/MensRights16/07/26 02:43 PM
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Paraphrasing something I said yesterday, this is why I get annoyed by people justifying Ukraine's sexist emigration and military registration policies by claiming it's a poor, non-EU country, so it doesn't reflect EU values. The fuck it doesn't! If Ukraine's emigration and military registration policies really don't reflect EU values, the EU should sanction Ukraine by refusing to provide further military aid until it makes them gender neutral. Of course, we all know that will never happen.
/r/MensRights16/07/26 02:40 PM
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You're trying way to hard to make it happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:51 PM

Indeed. I would love never to have to work again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:06 AM
3

Yes. If a 13 year old boy's ID is checked on one of the women-only subway cars, he can be sentenced to a fine between $125 and $180 USD, 1 to 1.5 days in jail, or 12 to 18 hours of community service.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 09:14 PM

Glad there's some sanity in this group.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:51 PM

Infant male genital mutilation being legal all over the world, even in countries that have banned the same thing for females, is not a first-world problem. One woman (a PNW progressive who supported Bernie Sanders, mind you) told me that she was considering circumcision for her child if it was born male because she found circumcised men more attractive. That is bonkers. Why should that consideration matter unless she wanted to fuck her son? Can you imagine a man feeling comfortable saying on his…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:37 PM

But what's even sadder is when not even having offspring does the trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:33 PM

My wife became more interested in men's and boys' issues after we had a son, and I really don't understand why this doesn't happen to every woman who has a son. Every man I've known who's had a daughter (at least among Gen-X men and younger) has become a total feminist if he wasn't already.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:26 PM
2

Good point. Based on quick research, the average 45-year-old woman is stronger than boys up until about the age of 14 (around which there were be more or less equal strength between the two), so there is really no logical reason for sacrificing pre-teen boys over childless middle-aged women. Also, 12 is the age at which boys are no longer allowed on the women-only cars of the Mexico City subway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 08:13 PM
2

That is certainly true in Mexico, given that the current left-wing female president won with more male support than female support. Of course, when she lowered the retirement ages for state workers, she kept earlier retirement for female ones, which I thought was a slap in the face to the men who got her elected.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 08:02 PM
1

I thought so too! And even my boy Kyle Kulinski (whom I usually like as a fun, non-SJW leftist commentator) has been repeating this falsehood (not maliciously, I would assume).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 08:00 PM
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So it was pretty gender symmetrical, even though the male victims surely skewed younger, given that there were more male students but only female teachers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:59 PM
1

After living in Mexico for over a decade, I've seen very well that political corruption is an equal opportunity vice. What idiots say that only men are corrupt?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:55 PM
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Something something bigger and stronger. Of course, I never see it addressed that those male "oppressors" also had daughters, and surely they would want the best for those daughters, right? Indeed, as far as I can tell, even Donald Trump never gave Ivanka worse opportunities than Eric and Don Jr; in fact, all Trump's kids agree that she was the favorite.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:53 PM
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What you say is exactly why I get annoyed by people justifying Ukraine's sexist emigration and military registration policies by claiming it's a poor, non-EU country, so it doesn't reflect EU values. The fuck it doesn't! If Ukraine's emigration and military registration policies really don't reflect EU values, the EU should sanction Ukraine by refusing to provide further military aid until it makes them gender neutral. Of course, we all know that will never happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:46 PM

Rule 5 in this group exists because the misandrists would get trounced every time if people like me didn't have a hand tied behind the back when exposing bigotry for what it is with valid comparisons.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:38 PM
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I have nothing against BLM. I'm talking about what feminism does by explaining how BLM would act if it acted like feminism. I see feminists appropriating All Lives Matter to try to describe the supposed "derailing" of discussions about different gender problems by MRAs, which is ironic to me, since men suffer much more than women from police brutality and homicide in particular (i.e., the main problems that BLM formed to address in regard to black people). Indeed, white men proportionally suffer…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:17 PM
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"Male college attendance is down; this is harmful to women, since it decreases the number of eligible bachelors they can marry." "Male depression must be addressed, since it's making them too languid to earn money or do housework for us!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:06 PM
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Also, the tendency of modern "progressivism" to show no grace for social missteps strikes me as extremely anti-neurodivergent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:01 PM
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The primary concern of BLM is about the unfair racial biases that dominate society but their primary activism centers around black people even though by definition it could extend beyond just black people. To be analogous to feminism, BLM would need to shut down Latino or Asian racial justice advocacy, claiming that BLM is already fighting for racial justice for all; at the same time, it would also need to utterly refuse to address Latino and Asian problems after claiming to be the all-encompass…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 06:57 PM

You've never heard "Her money is her money; his money is their money"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:13 PM
1

Not necessarily. He could be worried that the hospital switched up the babies, as I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:49 PM
1

Not necessarily. Early in my son's babyhood, I had moments where I questioned whether he was ours and thought the hospital might have switched children accidentally. I never believed my wife cheated, but I did think the hospital might have screwed things up. I thought about getting a paternity test for that reason, but when he started looking more like us, I stopped considering it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:46 PM
1

If there were a test that automatically determined whether a man raped a woman or not, and I was asked to take it, I'd say "Bring it on," knowing I have nothing to hide.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:40 PM
1

Yes there is. The hospital could have mixed up the babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:38 PM

I totally agree. As productivity increased, we were supposed to be able to work less. Instead, we're just expected to produce more and more in the same hours. Similarly, when women joined the workforce, we should have all been able to cut our workplace hours in half as well as dividing household work hours. I'm not saying women shouldn't work outside the home, but I'm sure our capitalist overlords just loved massively increasing the workforce suddenly to make their underlings even more expendabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:36 PM
1

I know you're trying to make some analogy to false accusations of rape, but that doesn't work, because unlike rape, misattributed paternity is very easy to prove or disprove through a simple DNA test.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:55 AM
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Only if you tell their friends, and media report on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:53 AM
1

Disagree. At least in my case, when a woman is so fat that her curves disappear in her blubbery mass, she might as well be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:14 AM
1

Sorry, I misread the plurals and singulars. My bad. So you have twins? Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:27 PM
1

Interesting. Is she girly or tomboyish in personality? Younger or older?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:55 PM
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Interesting looking guy. He also looks very masculine, as you say, not to mention having a nice skull shape that doesn't need to be covered by hair. In more recent pictures, I think he might have scalp micropigmentation, which I think is cool. One thing about balding is that it intensifies the importance of staying in good shape, since having low facial fat that provides a defined jawline is pretty much the only way to avoid looking like a human potato or a thumb with a face.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:10 PM
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'Just because he wants sex with you doesn't mean he desires you.' Isn't the phrase 'Just because he wants sex with you doesn't mean he loves you.'? The fact that he can get it up to have sex with her indicates at least a baseline of desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:57 PM
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I don't know how anyone can say that boys are easier to raise, at least during the early years. The energy and hyperactivity they have are off the charts! Meanwhile, my son's cousin is very still, quiet, and will go and join my brother-in-law for a nap pretty much whenever he's tired and needs a rest. Contrast that with my son who almost never takes a nap, wakes up early (insisting that he has to because "it's daytime," but good luck trying to get him to apply his logic consistently and go strai…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:49 PM

Especially Balkan ones, who are half Southeastern Euro genetically anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:33 PM
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Not true. I support men's rights and am against Andrew Tate. Men's rights are human rights, and worker's rights are men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:31 AM
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You're right, men are screwed in different ways even outside the West. The MRA subreddit gets plenty of horror stories from India.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:32 PM
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Men don't have reproductive rights anywhere in the US. I already explained lack of a right to genital integrity and mandatory military registration that men in the US have to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:30 PM
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What are you trying to say with this question?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:27 PM
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What rights do men have that women don't? In the country where I was born and the country where I live now, women have the right to genital integrity and the right to vote and hold public office without military registration. In the city where I live, the government gives female but not male victims of domestic violence free legal advice and psychological therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:24 PM
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In the West, women have more rights than men. Educate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:11 PM
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So only girls deserve rights, equality, and empowerment?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:33 PM
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"Here son, you deserve rights and equality too. Don't accept misandry." Don't equate MRAs with Tate-ertots.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:33 PM
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I believe that parents should support the gender ideology that best helps their children. Parents of daughters should be feminists, parents of sons should be MRAs, and parents of both should be both at once. In my experience, dads of daughters in particular already do this. Before my son was born, I told myself that I would be a feminist if I had a daughter and an MRA if I had a son. I feel like this is the best chance to create balance in the gender world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:41 PM
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Isn't the real analogue women demanding that men call out misogynistic men while scoffing at us asking them nicely to please call out misandrist women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:17 PM

I'm really wondering what people think a fair legal paternal surrender policy would require. I think the following cover the fairness bases: the legal period needs to be slightly less than the period for abortion (so that a woman can decide whether she wants to abort or become a single mother) it should be available only to unmarried men, giving women a means of protection by marrying a man before trying to conceive with him, and making the process congruent with safe haven laws, under which a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:13 PM
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Has she considered taking hormonal treatments to recover her own libido? Your life sounds like torture.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:45 PM

Years before we met, my wife had trouble breathing due to a deviated septum. However, taking advantage of the process to fix her nose's functionality, the plastic surgeon also enhanced its aesthetics. All that to say that obviously I would marry a woman who has had plastic surgery, since I already did.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:19 AM
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Does the country start with an 'M'?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:46 PM
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Then the women who murder are a big deal too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:32 PM
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Still a negligibly small percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:31 PM
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I'm asking if you personally think it's extremely dumb to leave someone over that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:51 PM
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Neither do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:44 PM
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What about sitting on other men's laps?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:43 PM
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This post is about whose jealousy is more socially acceptable, not who's more jealous. On the first point, I think it's clear that women win.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:41 PM
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Well, I've been married for over a decade, so I haven't had any need to put my attractiveness to the test in a hookup context (even though I definitely need to lose weight and build some muscle).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:38 PM
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I also think there's a non-trivial minority of size queens who wrongly believe that there's a meaningful correlation between height and dick size, so they use height as what they believe to be a non-slutty proxy to select for what they really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:34 PM
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I was 5'7" and had no problem pulling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:35 PM
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You say "if it's born," as if the woman does not deliberately choose whether or not to bring it into the world. If she still decides to bring into the world knowing that she can't properly take care of it and provide for it, that's not the man's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:58 PM
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That's a very specific example, however. Most things are not so black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:27 AM

Are you talking about abortion? I've never heard anyone say the draft is hard on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:59 PM

How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:52 PM

Feminists are doing it about a settled matter with constitutional protection that no one alive today (or who should have been alive today) suffered from. The draft/selective service is not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:35 PM

If there was a womb draft that hadn't been activated up from a mere womb selective service for 50 years, I don't think women would be so serene. Feminists also talk about women not being able to vote in the US at the federal level before 1920 as if it were relevant, despite the fact that there are literally no women alive today in the US who were not allowed to vote when their same-age male counterparts could. In turn, there are plenty of men alive today who were drafted, or who should have been…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:24 PM

Do you have something substantive to say, or are you just going to throw around empty ad hominems?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:12 PM

Let me guess: even in light of the context I've set out, you think men supporting women's bodily autonomy is "the bare minimum."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:52 PM

I'm guessing most of them are circumcised themselves and don't want to come to grips with the fact that they were mutilated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:47 PM

Planning to come up with a more detailed post later. However... Given the negligible respect for men's and boys' bodily autonomy in society (e.g., legal infant male circumcision, the draft/selective service, no reproductive rights for men even if raped, etc.), the fact that more than 1% of men support women's reproductive rights (indeed, a plurality of men support it in the US, contrary to anti-male propaganda equating anti-abortion sentiment with maleness) shows men's generosity of spirit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:38 PM

Heh, she really wasn't even my type. I can hardly remember what she looked like. I just know that it was in the middle of the countryside in the U.S., in a house.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:25 PM

I find it funny how ex-Yugoslavs are like the opposite of Arabs and Chinese people. The latter pretend to speak a single language while not understanding each other in their everyday speech, while the former understand each other perfectly but pretend not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:45 PM

Pompoir (which feels like getting your dick sucked by a pussy anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:37 PM

Yeah, I was terrified. It felt so real. I thought, my marriage is fucking over. I think what made the dream feel more real and long-term is that I briefly woke up but fell back asleep and continued the dream. The dream felt like days.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:34 PM

I had a nightmare that I cheated on my wife with a rural woman. In the dream, I wore no condom and ejaculated in the rural woman, despite not having discussed birth control or STDs beforehand. I was terrified and super guilt-ridden in my dream after the act. And this rural woman didn't even feel better than my wife, so it really felt like a waste. I felt so relieved when I woke up and realized I hadn't done the unconscionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:30 PM
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That's crazy! My wife is also Latin American (Mexican). Her parents made both her and her brother do chores, just very gendered ones (e.g., he has to cut the grass while she has to wash the dishes).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:56 PM

Agreed. At most, he's taught how to mow the lawn or to saw wood while she is taught to cook or wash dishes. My wife is Latin American, and she remembers resenting being sent to the kitchen while her brother was given more rugged, masculine chores. However, it was never a case of giving chores to girls only; even at its most unfair, there was a sense of complementarity about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:31 AM
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Men would rather sexually coerce (rape) their wives than leave them That is a crazy thing to say. I went a year without sex after our child was born (because I'd rather have no sex than sex my wife is not enthusiastic about having with me).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:16 AM
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The real left is about economic justice, not stupid culture war BS. However, in the US, libs think they are leftist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:59 AM
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Men even love shitting on a woman who so much as just mentions she is divorced, or is single with kids, to "stick up" for some imaginary man they've never met. I don't think it was always that way. It's well known that the research has shown that men don't have an in-group bias like women do. However, misandry has forced us to form an in-group identity that didn't previously exist for men, deviating from how we were taught, which was to treat everyone as individuals. As for whether "choose bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:55 PM
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We have learned well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:38 PM
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I wonder, what did she do for him not to trust her with the bills? I'm being facetious, by the way. I'm just trying to show what it's like to belong to the sex that's always blamed for the bad things that happen to it. ADDENDUM: Wow, I think this might be my most downvoted comment yet. I guess people don't have the attention span these days to get to the part where I make it very clear that I'm joking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:31 PM
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Why should men who don't commit crimes take responsibility for those who do? Do you say the same thing about people who belong to a certain ethnic group or people who share certain levels of melanin?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:28 PM
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I don't know how someone can think it's easier parenting boys. They're hyperkinetic, energetic, chaotic, and you have to really raise them right if you want them to be capable of giving you grandchildren later if they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:16 PM

And on the other hand, many pedophile female teachers are least reasonably attractive and have husbands. It would be fascinating to see how many people of each sex become pedophiles when there are only internal factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:42 PM
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I don't want an arranged marriage, but if I was in one, it would be like many ordinary marriages past the honeymoon phase. Yeah, wasn't there a study that compared love marriages and arranged marriages (not to be confused with forced marriages) after 10 years, finding no difference in marital satisfaction and happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:51 PM
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Thanks for your response. So you agree that many men you see who seem all right could secretly be having the experiences talked about after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:49 PM

I'm sorry you experienced that. I wanted a girl I could talk about literature with and listen to underground music with. It shouldn't be so hard for people to find their person, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:42 PM

In my case, I did indeed think my mom and grandma were biased when they called me handsome. However, I did believe my dad when he said that women would go for smart and thoughtful over athletic and flashy in college and beyond; after all, he was pretty nerdy-looking to me in his high school pictures, and he had experienced dating as a man, plus it was never his nature to butter me up like my mom and grandma.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:25 PM

Yes, we noticed that popular athletic guys got the girls in middle school and high school. However, there's a piece that nobody is mentioning. We were also told that, after high school, women would become more mature and see the value in the smart, thoughtful, adorably nerdy guys they had previously overlooked. Most if not all of my uncles fit this description, and all of them except the gay one were married (actually, even he married once it became legal for people like him), so I had no reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:13 PM
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No, not post birth. It would be during a limited period of the pregnancy even shorter than the period in which a woman can abort. If abortion is not murder, then what I'm talking about is not abandonment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:07 PM
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Maybe some men do, but not all. We also need to take into account internalized misandry. We've been taught that we're bad, irredeemable predators for so long that some of us start to believe it and base our identity around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:03 PM
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I wasn't being entirely serious. I actually believe one person, one vote. I just like to stir the pot sometimes. However, given that women have been able to vote for over a century, I think it's time for women to take responsibility as well for male-only military registration.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:01 PM
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Most men won't open up about it in real life, lest they be called whiny man babies and lose their reputations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:00 PM
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Nowadays, women cheat more than men. Let's stop relying on Silent Gen and Boomer statistics to describe Millennial and Gen Z sexual behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:56 PM
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No legal paternal surrender, which would be fair as a male equivalent to abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:39 AM
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Women would be shamed, not celebrated, for complaining about him killing her baby, while whining about how she had no choice, even though the only thing she did was irresponsibly deposit her eggs into his body and left. Men don't have reproductive rights as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:32 AM
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I agree it's not a reason for women to have fewer rights, but I think it is (or rather, might be) a reason for men to have more rights than the baseline. Think, instead of taking away women's voting rights, men, or at least draft-age men, should get 1.5 votes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:30 AM
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Yeah, at least women actually get some fun out of their simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:24 AM
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Treating men like a distinct predatorial species is hateful and bigoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:18 AM
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And I combined it with substantive arguments and points, and it was in response to you acting like women's standards should be blindly obeyed without question rather there being an equal dialogue between both parties. How is that not an authoritarian mentality? Again, I never said that there shouldn't be standards, just that they should be reasonable, fair, and agreed on by both. P.S.: I said you wanted to be a domestic dictator, not that you were one. If you don't want to be one, prove it by sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:31 AM
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Thanks for the moral support, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:09 AM
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There's no productive conversation with someone who just caricatures, strawmans, insults, and dismisses everything I say. P.S.: I'm talking about things like folding clothes into four instead of three.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:34 PM
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We're talking about normal care for a house, not caretaking for elderly family.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:09 PM
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Also, there's this ridiculous double standard of Schrödinger's housework. Housework is simultaneously hard, complex, serious, and emotionally laborious work (when women do it and when feminists are trying to win points against men to further their agenda) and so easy that a child can do it (when trying to lord it over men for not immediately mastering it, showing men none of the grace upon their entry into the domestic sphere that women received upon entering the workplace). EDIT: Wow, a downvot…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:35 PM
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You're proving my point, rather. You don't want to negotiate fair standards, you want to be a domestic dictator. Again, way to dismiss all nuance. You think women don't get rigid and authoritarian about how men supposedly aren't folding clothes the proper way and other domestic tasks that have nothing to do with cleanliness or filth? You can't demand to equalize the workplace but still demand full control over the domestic sphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:18 PM
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Filth by whose standards? Once again, dismissing all nuance and complexity to try to argue that women should be absolute monarchs in the home whose whims are to be obeyed without question.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:04 PM
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There's so much talk about weaponized incompetence, a lot of which I think is problematic since it's based on the idea that women in matters of the home are always right. No one ever talks about weaponized domestic entitlement or weaponized overfunctioning (or even weaponized impatience), where women think their way is the right way by default and where they think their timelines are an iron law, so she will just usurp the task that the man was planning to do among his myriad obligations and she…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:52 PM

7 inches is more than adequate. In the US, it's basically to dick size what 6'2" is to height.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:30 PM

I didn't realize that you hadn't been with a woman like that yet. If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? But yes, 7 inches is big by any standard. Any woman who thinks it's too small was probably with a 6-inch guy who lied to her that it was 8 inches.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:21 PM

The OP of this subthread thinks 7 inches is average or small, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:17 PM

That's fine, but you would accept it if others did, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:20 PM

Armin Meiwes did nothing wrong. Just as consent is what separates sex from rape, and just as consent is what separates assault from BDSM, the same should apply to cannibalism and murder. Bernd Brandes very clearly consented to have that done to him, and Meiwes was super respectful to previous men who got scared and backed out of being his willing victim at the last minute, so I don't think what he did should be a crime. Of course, since it is illegal, nobody should do it, but I think a change in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:18 PM

I see no problem with either. However, about 20 years ago, when my friend's friend found out I had jerked it in her bathroom (my friend and I were staying there while she was out), she went ballistic, apparently thinking I had wiped my jizz on her washcloth, which is really weird, because that's not what people do with any other bodily fluids that people expel in bathrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:17 PM

This guy gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:04 PM

Obviously not, but the point is that semen is objectively less disgusting than feces, so it's weird to be okay with the latter in your bathroom but not the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:52 PM

Hehe, funny and fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:45 PM

Who's saying they're spraying it all over rather than shooting it directly into some tissues or the toilet? You sure are making a lot of assumptions. Here's a question, would you rather eat semen or feces? If the former, then why is it okay to expel the latter but not the former in your bathroom?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:45 PM

And that's ridiculous after some experience. I used to think that uglier women would worship the ground I walked on and never cheat on me, but they still did cheat. Indeed, when I met my wife, I thought she was too good to be true as a loyal attractive woman. I think unattractive women are more likely to cheat, since they are more easily tempted by male validation, even if it just means being used as a dick sheath (speaking of which, vagina in Latin indeed meant "sheath").
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:41 PM

Once again reminding people that there is nothing wrong with masturbating in the bathroom at your friend's house. I will die on this hill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:39 PM
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I'm talking victimless versus victimful (if I may coin a term, heh). I would much rather my wife sell drugs tha n cheat on me, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:38 PM

So now that I've established that yours is actually big (just like mine, which is 7.5 in), can we talk instead about women underestimating the dicks of short men? I'm 5'7". In a way, I kind of like it, since it means that every woman who has agreed to see me naked has been pleasantly surprised. It's like the ultimate reward for women who aren't shallow about height. On the other hand, I wonder if women would be more willing to give short men a chance if they knew that they might be packing a big…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:26 PM

According to the source below, it's 5.69, all while noting that past studies have yielded highly varied results ranging from 5.1 to 6.3. I guess you just got lucky ;-) https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/relationships/sex/research-reveals-the-average-penis-size-of-men-around-the-world/news-story/a5c147a96b7b4b029689cf7ff6ee3171
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:08 PM

According to calcSD, it's 5.5 globally and 5.7 in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:03 PM

I thought 6 was a little bit above average in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:43 PM

Uh, no. In length, you're in the top 1.25% globally and in the top 5.12% in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:30 PM

my dick is small ... my 7 inch dick Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:05 PM

Because men don't lower their attraction standards for wife material like women do for husband material.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:04 PM
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How about fathers who sell drugs? As far as I'm concerned, all drugs should be legal for people over 18, and I consider drug dealing itself to be a victimless crime; pretty much all the bad stuff that happens around the drug trade is precisely due to its illegality and would go away if it could be legalized and regulated. But anyway, I'm talking about a father who just sells drugs without shooting anybody up or anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:58 PM
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I think the person in question is from Zambia, since it showed up as a place with views in my insights. Zambia is overwhelmingly Christian.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:35 AM
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I know men aren't perfect, but if the strategy is going to be to focus 100% on the negative even as they get objectively better, or to treat them even worse than worse, less enlightened men in the past were treated, what incentive do they have to get and be better? If all men are going to be judged by the small but visible minority of bad men, what's the point of even striving to be better, collectively speaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:16 AM
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Come on, those don't occur at nearly the same frequency. And women kill their husbands too. Besides, I've never killed anyone, let alone a woman, so it's not fair to use that has justification why I should be okay with dehumanizing rhetoric directed at my gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:24 PM
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Jobs that pay less. Going to college is no longer a guarantee of a good income. For men who are still expected to be providers and make more despite women having their own money, this is very important. Harassment is down now, so hostility should be down now too. Today's young men are a different, more progressive generation than the middle-aged men who harassed you as a teenager. This is proving my point really; you are treating a younger and more conscientious generation of men as if they were…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:15 PM
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Fair enough. But that sounds to me more like it's real and it's default.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:52 PM
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Except we have to do more for women to get less from them and be treated with greater hostility by them. It's also much harder for us to get good jobs now than it was for the Boomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:51 PM
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Sorry, come again? I understand each of these statements individually, but I feel like they're kind of incompatible together.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:46 PM
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Women had free speech before they could vote. Children have free speech for God's sake. P.S.: What rights for women were lacking in order to complain about men between the 1970s and the early 2010s?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:45 PM
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I'm getting really tired of the overturning of Roe v Wade being cited as the reason for misandry going up. Misandry is increasing in other countries where abortion rights are not under attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:42 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, it's turning 243 in September. EDIT: Downvoted by someone who has never heard of the Treaty of Paris. I have a question: when does your relationship with someone start: when you actually get with them, or when you masturbate imagining them the first time?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:03 PM
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Was it unreasonable for Western men to expect that treating women better and giving them more rights would lead to them having a more positive opinion of men? And what do you expect Western men to make of the fact that all those rights and better treatment seem to have had the opposite effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:34 PM
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See, this is why I think Western women need to get over themselves and show some gratitude. They have the privilege of coexisting with the most progressive, open-minded, and non-patriarchal men in the history of the world and all they do is complain about them. Pearls to swine, right? This once again proves my thesis that there's no proportionality between how well men treat women and how women regard men as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:42 PM
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Probably not. And not because of retroactive jealousy, but because I'd be disturbed thinking about what she might expect of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:35 PM

Men who have been paternity defrauded are victims, what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:53 AM
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It seems to make some women extremely angry to see men they consider beneath them not being condemned to a life of sadness and loneliness and having the possibility of perpetuating their genes for another generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:25 AM
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I feel like bachelor and bachelorette parties are very trashy. I never understood the point of having a party whose purpose is basically to micro cheat at the very least for people who have reached a level of commitment that is marriage in all but name and de jure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:15 AM
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So women agree that Goth guys don't have to pay for dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:01 AM

I think an argument could be made that paternity fraud is especially heinous because, in a way, it's a mini genocide of his line. Also, I thought murder was punished with life imprisonment in most countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:08 AM
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Excuse me, but shouldn't a guy looking gay be a plus for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:31 AM
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Regardless of one's political persuasion, I think we can all agree that women's negative view of men as a whole these days is lacking in proportionality to the bad things they actually do. Men did not become worse, at least not in proportion to women's increasingly negative view of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:25 AM
2

In the country where I live, there's a somewhat popular discourse around wanting to find a güero ("blondy" or "light-skinned man") to "improve the race."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:11 AM
1

Explains why they seem to like to grab them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:33 AM
1

I don't understand why people always assume that passport bros are only wanted for their money. There are plenty of reasons why women in passport bro destinations might find Western men sexually attractive, e.g. he's taller/bigger-dicked on average than local men even if he's short or small for his home country, or he simply looks exotic for his destination, which can help to make up for minorly imperfect features that are immediately noticed back home.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:22 AM

And here I thought this thread was going to be about a woman-on-the-street interview video I once saw where tons of women were comfortable being recorded with their faces visible saying things like, "If I want sex, I'm getting it from him whether he likes it or not," or "Ain't no way he gonna say no."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:17 AM
1

I don't think any of the Latin American women whom passport bros pursue are fucking for indoor plumbing. At least whenever I hear about passport bros in Latin America, they're pretty much always going to urban areas where the lifestyle is not a whole world apart from the US and European countries; I have yet to hear of passport bros going to some village in the Amazon Rainforest with zero electricity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:13 AM
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I sort of see myself as an original passport bro before it was cool. I spoke the local language, and when I went there, I wasn't expecting to attract much female attention. However, when I realized I did, I decided to go back, and I ended up marrying someone from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:08 AM
2

I'm left-wing on both social and economic issues. My problem with feminism is not because I want to go back to traditional gender roles; rather, I feel like feminism is mostly selective traditionalism weaponized against men. I want both sides to be liberated from their oppressive gender roles, not just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:34 PM
2

Not true. Apart from the fact that men in most passport bro countries are shorter than men in most developed Western countries (and thus women have more relaxed height standards), you'd be surprised how much having an exotic phenotype for a given locale can bypass the rigidity of the 10-point looks scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:16 PM
0

I talk about love all the time. I'm not afraid of it. Many great male poets from time immemorial have written about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:47 AM
1

Yeah, I know that feeling. If you don't mind my asking, how old were you when you lost it? I was 20, which felt extremely late in the late 2000s, but it sounds like it's fairly normal now in our post-COVID era.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:44 PM
2

I've always wondered how many old-timey grammar purists were angered by that quote ("He's me" instead of "He's I"). I'm not one of those purists, since "He's me" just takes the subject-verb-object tendency of English to its logical conclusion, but I still wonder if they complained.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:41 PM
1

What a trash human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:27 PM
3

Then the focus should be on the thing itself and not the thing that is correlated with the thing itself. I'm very left-wing and red leaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:11 PM
4

And what does that have to do with men's issues in society?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:18 AM
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I only care about body count insofar as a very high one correlates with likelihood of infidelity. Never cared about virginity. I am not a fan of rigid adherence to traditional gender roles at all; I just want men to be as liberated from theirs as women already are from theirs. I don't expect my wife to stay home. I don't expect submission either. I'm opposed to most feminism from the left, because it treats men with bigotry and seems okay with traditional gender roles for men when convenient for…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:52 AM
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Whatever they may be, they certainly don't represent me or my ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:48 AM
2

I will ally with them on any issues of agreement. I consider myself a DeCrowist feminist. I just wish feminists were more tolerant of men like me who believe in addressing men's issues from a left-wing perspective but without having to be confined by a feminist framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:47 AM
1

I feel very pair-bonded to my wife, and I feel like she feels pair-bonded to me in mostly the same way. I've always thought about it in egalitarian, non-hierarchal terms. This feels like a very uncharitable interpretation of men's innocuous words based on anti-male bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:51 AM
4

I want to abolish the draft.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:41 AM
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There's nothing pro-male about the current government. It has spoken in favor of expanding the draft and has done nothing about male disposability. With its racism and xenophobia, it has sought to divide men rather than bring them together.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:39 AM
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Being against having to register for the draft is a very left-wing position.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:35 AM
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Where are the mods today? Several of the top comments are agreeing with OP against the rules. Anyway, it sounds like OP is making valid complaints against conservative Christians but then acting as if RPers were synonymous with them. I've never heard of redpillers being against abortion (since banning it would obviously make women less likely to put out).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:32 AM
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Regardless, human biology doesn't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:24 PM
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That certainly wasn't my experience a decade and a half ago. Then again, I didn't have zero attention from women in the States, I just had much more attention when I got to Latin America.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:34 PM
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I know people like to denigrate passport bros as simply using arbitrage to transactionally get more for their buck, but I think an underestimated factor that is relevant to this thread is that looking exotic for a given locale can throw off the conventional 10-point looks scale. Indeed, I was on the other side of this dynamic when I first arrived in Latin America and was interested in a woman that all my local friends swore was ugly and beneath me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:23 PM
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Hell, US immigration officials can even ask people about their favorite sexual positions in order to confirm that the marriage is a legitimate one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:11 PM
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Isn't the true passport bro ethos to stay in the developing country where he meets his wife? I had no knowledge of the term "passport bro" when I did it, but that's exactly what I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:11 PM
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I can't believe I'm actually engaging with your idea. However, I want to push back against the idea that all passport bro relationships are transactional. I think you're underestimating how exotic and interesting European features can be on a man when he goes to countries where they are not common Indeed, it goes both ways. When I arrived in Latin America, I was interested in a woman that all my friends in the country in question, both male and female, told me was ugly, and they all asked me why…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:02 PM
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As a man who couldn't manage to cum inside a woman until he met his wife, I feel you. Indeed, a woman once complained to me that she couldn't get me off and that this is not okay. At that point, I already accepted that I was never going to cum from sex. I hated the added pressure, because I wasn't expecting her to get me off. Of course, when I couldn't get off, I always blamed myself and never the women I was with. I also wonder how many women have desensitized themselves with industrial-grade v…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:54 PM
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I thought it was about cheaters more than predators. I agree that what OP proposes goes a little beyond the scope of the women's groups. However, considering how much men have to lose from cheating women, I think cheating women should be fair game.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:47 PM
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The cultures there are for 1, so much warmer and friendlier and less skeptical than american culture. Also this does depend on the country, but generally they party harder and are less sexually repressed then we are in the US. Even though they claim to be more religious, americans, even "athiests" have completely held onto puritan religious attitudes around sex. As an American who moved to a Latin American country and got married there, I believe this is true. Protestants are all like, sex is ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:20 PM
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Yes, by only allowing unmarried men to exercise it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:09 PM
4

APPDWALT EDIT: Really MPPDWALT, but the joke was too hard to resist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:09 PM
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I'm pro-choice, but the hypocrisy is staggering. Victim-blaming much? I guess if I defraud you, you're at fault for believing me, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:06 PM
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Just resort to insults because you can't engage with my points. Men should not be treated like dangerous criminals without a conviction first. I thought we decided that collective punishment was wrong after WWII.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:04 PM
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I genuinely thought that might be the case for a moment when my son was born. He had curly hair that neither of us have. I never for a moment doubted my wife's fidelity. I also wasn't allowed to be in the delivery room, so I had no idea what might have happened to our baby when my wife was all hopped up on painkillers and exhausted after the birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:02 PM
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Yes, conservatives. Yet for LPS, it's people on both sides of the aisle. I'm tired of the friendly fire from my fellow leftists who claim to support reproductive rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:52 PM
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You act like women are just passive receptors of men's choice to go bareback, as if they never encourage this themselves. Women have agency. If you don't want a kid, see to it. Said the pro-lifer to the woman in regard to abortion. It's so easy to spot pro-life rhetoric from ostensibly pro-choice people when it's men concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:49 PM
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the men asking implies they don’t trust her Not necessarily. It could also mean that he doesn't trust that the hospital kept the babies straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:44 PM
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A way to combat harassment. Still, it was supposed to be temporary but has been kept in place for almost 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:37 PM
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Where did you get that idea? I am super pro-abortion. I believe in reproductive rights for everyone because I'm consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:26 PM
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In the city where I live, men are not allowed to use two cars on the metro trains. They are reserved for women and boys under 12.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:21 PM
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False equivalency, because I didn't hit you on the head. There you go again with your collective blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:19 PM
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I care, but I don't care for your dismissal of men's sympathy. Women got the right to vote within a few years of a majority of women wanting it. Before then, most women didn't want it, since they were afraid that their special status as the perceived above-the-fray moral authority of society would be lost. It would have been undemocratic to give them the vote when a majority of women didn't want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:18 PM
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You say that as if men weren't the most common victims of violent crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:05 PM
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You cannot in good faith believe that a random bear is less dangerous than a random man. I respect your intelligence far too much to believe you really believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:43 PM
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Motte and bailey fallacy. No one criticizes women for feeling unsafe to a proportional degree. Men rightly criticize women for claiming to feel less safe around them than around a sharp-toothed wild animal with a killer instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:26 PM
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Voting rights, abortion, etcetera. Men have benefited women with nothing to gain for themselves plenty of times. Indeed, tje tender years doctrine was the result of men sympathizing with one particular woman so much that they upended 800 years of common law just for her; I'd love to have that kind of pull with my so-called elected representatives! It's pretty obvious that men sympathize with women much more than the contrary. It would also be interesting to get the percentage of men who support …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:23 PM
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I find you a little bit extreme, but I do feel like it takes a very irrational kind of woman to deprive her child of a healthy two-parent household and create more work for herself just because her man wanted the same certainty of parentage that she thinks she already has.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:17 PM

Tell Gloria Steinem she was the victim of a male-dominated psyop with the minis she wore in the 1960s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:07 PM
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I just imagined a profile of a sweet, deeply reflective man who spent a lot of time discussing beforehand what the two would do in each scenario, as well as someone who gets to know her before putting it in her. What if the woman was the one who proposed taking off the condom and lied to him that she was on the pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:44 PM
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Isn’t it the same with people opposing medical abortions? In their heads it’s never a mother of three struggling with raising them or a young student who can’t afford to raise a baby, but it’s a party girl who gets abortion every month and hops from dick to dick. I don't think that, because I don't stoop to the same lows as my opponents.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:42 PM
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That's not the same and you know it. And there is a difference between reserved spots and whole-ass cars. That's collective punishment, treating all men like sex criminals by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:40 PM
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I can't help but notice how opponents of legal paternal surrender (a.k.a. paper or financial abortion) always imagine the most unsympathetic strawman of an LPS exerciser. It's never the young man first experiencing sexuality whose partner lied to him about being on the pill (or about being infertile). It's never the introvert who has very clearly told his partner that he would never want to be a parent and has obtained her assurance that she would get an abortion if pregnancy happend by accident…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:43 AM
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I'm not saying this is the only or most serious one, but I want to mention not being able to ride about 1/5 of the space on light rail trains and metro trains, despite paying the same price as a woman. I also feel like feminism made it more acceptable for women to be rude and callous to their male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:00 AM
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Ah, I see. Nice to see a pic of your pooch.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:35 AM
2

You won it all?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:09 AM
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Men are not the majority in most countries, what are you talking about? Elites oppressed men and women; men as a class never oppressed women as a class.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:57 AM
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Greenland wives?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:12 AM
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Saying women shouldn't be bigots is oppressing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:53 AM
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Conservatives (and feminists), not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:35 AM
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That's fine, but don't pretend to know the whole male experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:01 AM
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I support equality for women, and they should return the favor. Men helped women at every stage of their struggles. A little gratitude would be nice. I've had at least one supposedly progressive woman in the PNW who supported Bernie Sanders say that she thinks MGM should stay legal because she likes circ'd men better. So it's not just men or conservatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:35 AM
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Ah yes, even when women hurt other women, it's still men's fault, right? /S Never mind that studies in countries like Sudan have shown that women are 100% the ones perpetuating the practice and that men prefer non-mutilated women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:30 AM
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The worst sex for men, they still orgasm and there's almost 0 risk for them. Bold of you to assume. My wife is the only sex partner I've had with whom I've cummed through penetrative sex. Before her, I just accepted that I was never ever going to cum during sex. Way to assume you know everything about the male experience. Men can get STDs too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:28 AM
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Conservatives are, not men. Feminists have supported anti-equality positions, such as NOW's opposition to a presumption of equal custody as a starting point. See also feminist opposition to the establishment of men's shelters, as if helping men took something away from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:23 AM
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So then a non-discriminatory solution should have been implemented, whether keeping everyone inside the country to do their part, or implementing policies so attractive to men that they naturally wanted to defend their country instead of having to be forced to do it. Honestly, given that Russia has a higher HDI than Ukraine, would Putin rolling through really be the worst thing in the world? Is avoiding having to speak a slightly different East Slavic language really worth all the death and dest…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:19 AM
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I know that you're just doing a gender flip of the other post, but this is a false equivalency with all due respect. Being used for money is not comparable to being used for sex. Sex is like pizza; even when it's bad, it's still pretty damn good. You're not going to promote the traditionalist view that women don't enjoy sex and have no sex drive, are you? Sex is enjoyable for both and is its own reward. Nothing is taken, nothing is given away. In turn, when a man spends his money on a woman, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:34 PM
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Feminists have often framed women's issues in very combative and unpalatable ways, yet this has not affected their ability to have women's issues taken seriously. It's time to stop tone policing hard-done-by men for not expressing their long-ignored issues in the most tactful way. Indeed, doing so is kind of ableist if you think about it, since it necessarily means that autistic people who don't know how to frame their ideas in socially palatable ways will be automatically dismissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:59 PM
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I meant gender inequality in general. That specific issue is the fault of traditionalism. However, since you're implying that men blamed their problems on women, I was telling you what I blame men's problems on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:47 PM
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Think again. Did you even check my flair? I'm married. And I don't blame women. I blame traditionalists and feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:39 PM
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The difference as I said elsewhere is that no powerful country sees Afghanistan as anything more than a joke and embarrassment of a failed state. On the other hand, the major powers of the world have tacitly condoned Ukraine's sexist emigration policy by continuing to offer it military aid (can Donald Trump's suspension of it had nothing to do with how the country was treating men). I agree that things would be different if the EU said to Ukraine, "Hold on, we're not giving you any more military…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:34 PM
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FGM is considered a gendered problem and a feminist issue despite the fact that it's mainly perpetrated by women against other women and girls. Only men get subjected to the "by other men" dismissal, as if it were somehow the patriarchy hitting itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:29 PM
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This sub is not a mainstream space and is hardly representative of society as a whole when it comes to calling women out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:19 PM
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Men's genital mutilation is broadly accepted by society. And when we say it should be banned like FGM, tradition, religion, and culture are trotted out as justifications for keeping it legal (i.e., the very same justifications that the Istanbul Convention prohibits with regard to violence against women and girls, including FGM).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:56 PM
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You can't really compare Ukraine to Afghanistan. Afghanistan is a pariah nation that commands zero respect on the world stage. In turn, the EU has not demanded that Ukraine eliminate its sexist emigration policy (in order to uphold so-called European values of equality and non-discrimination) as a condition for receiving EU military aid, thus showing that the world powers of today endorse men only having full human rights when it's convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:43 PM

Nice AOC reference
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:19 PM
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I don't know how it is for all 30-something single women, but that's certainly not the case for all of them. My wife was 31 when I met her. She had no promiscuous phase. She had a very modest, single-digit body count when I met her (that is, less than one sex partner per year from the rather late date that she lost her virginity).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:11 PM

The question is, would those gifts have been worth more than the cost of feeding their givers?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:18 AM
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By your logic, supporting the right to an abortion is treating women like children, since it separates consent to sex from consent to parenthood. All I'm saying is that men should also be allowed to separate consent to sex from consent to parenthood. Any other position is anti-equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:27 PM

I used to read a lot of late 18th century Gothic novels, and I still love them, but I just don't have much time as a father. Many of these were written by women, and a romance subplot is usual. Serenading women outside their houses and leaving them poems in their favorite spots of natural scenery aren't going to cut it in 2026.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:28 PM

I didn't think you were going to defend the detractors of the policies, since you're red pill. Indeed, I thought you were going to say what I would say if I used this title, which is that it would not lead to a bunch of fatherless kids, since women would adapt and be more careful to choose men who'd make good and present fathers as mates. Some proponents such as myself also argue that LPS should only be available to unmarried men, so women can also protect themselves by marrying the man before h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:57 PM
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Careful, the last time I questioned if someone really was the gender they claimed, I got banned for three days.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:22 AM
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No I believe abandoning a child is abandoning a child. There’s no way to dance around that for me. Terminating a pregnancy is terminating a pregnancy which in itself is a consequence. You don't see any difference between terminating a pregnancy before and after viability of the fetus? Do you think a woman should be able to abort at 8 months and 29 days? In other words, you're saying it's a child for the man the whole nine months of pregnancy, but a fetus for the woman the whole nine months of pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:50 AM
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You don’t get to dictate what someone else does with their body. That isn’t your right. I 100% agree with that. Men should not be able to force women to abort, and, provided that he notifies her during a period in which she can still decide whether to be a single mother or abort, women should not be able to force men to labor to provide for a child that women ultimately made the unilateral decision to bring into this world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:31 PM
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What rights? Above all, the right to waive all paternal rights and responsibilities during a period slightly shorter than the period in which a woman is legally allowed to abort in a given jurisdiction; that way, she has time to make an informed decision about whether she wants to be a single mother or abort. I also believe that this right should be available only to unmarried men. Thus, if a woman is worried that a man might try to exercise legal paternal surrender against her, she can protect …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:28 PM
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Yeah, with that long melon of his, I thought he was tall based on his videos until I looked up his height and saw what he looks like in full body shots standing next to other people. What about Trent? Maybe I age myself with that reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:02 AM
1

You don't see any connection between feeling a need for simultaneous variety and a greater likelihood of cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:00 AM
1

Why weird?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:54 AM
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I'd be kind of upset, since it would imply that one man at a time isn't enough for her, thus suggesting a serious risk of infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:52 AM
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Does anyone else agree that Trent Reznor and David Pakman are perfect examples of short guys with tall-guy proportions?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:08 AM

I thought it was hilarious watching liberal feminists get so outraged about the conservatives' proposed trans bathroom laws, as if their hands were clean after decades of promoting the narrative of male-bodied humans as insatiable rape monsters whose very presence is a threat to women safety. Libfems need to own that they contributed to creating a culture where such laws were possible. On a somewhat related note, I feel like the main substantive differences between TERFs and regular feminists is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:04 AM
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I wish more thought like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:52 AM
1

Thanks for being reasonable and consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:38 AM
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It's interesting to me how certain people have tried to memory-hole her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:36 AM
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The right to renounce all parental rights and responsibilities during a slightly shorter time than the time in which women can abort in the relevant jurisdiction (so that she can make an informed decision whether to abort or become a single mother). This was supported by the leader of NOW when Roe v Wade was handed down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:34 AM
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I say we should compare the percentage of men who support women's reproductive rights to the percentage of women who support men's reproductive rights. I think it's pretty easy to guess who would have more opposite-sex sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:27 AM
2

Assbody would be a good band name.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:21 AM
2

I am American, but I've lived here for the last 15 years or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:12 AM
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Today, I was recalling the woman who cornered me at a club and tongue-kissed me without my consent about 15 years ago, completely ruining my night because she made the woman I'd been kissing, dancing, and flirting with think I was a player and leave the club in anger. But that's not the end of it. She sent me a friend request on Facebook two weeks later. How she found me is a mystery to me. Say what you will about men, but I think most would have enough shame not to try to add a woman on Faceboo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:11 AM
2

Interesting. Why's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:00 AM
1

Yeah, with dat ass, he shouldn't even have to play jester.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:00 AM
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I'm pro-abortion, but I think it's hilarious how so many women think a man has to support abortion rights to be a good person but don't support men's reproductive rights (unlike Queen Karen DeCrow, the best, most principled, and most consistent feminist ever).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:51 AM
2

Almost 0% chance that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:48 AM
6

Boy be thicc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:15 AM
2

Man, I'm sick of the directors of my son's school (in CDMX) canceling class for World Cup events.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:14 AM
4

I think we need to use the word "relatively."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:06 AM
3

It's false that married women live shorter lives than single women. At 65, a married woman can expect to live 1.5 years longer than her single counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:04 AM
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I feel like that's been the point that women in this group have been trying to impress upon men here for a long time. If you think that's wrong, speak up when it comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:30 PM
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And they think bad dating experiences with the opposite sex (i.e., something every straight person has had) justify hatred of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:20 PM
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I agree. Compared to real women I encounter, they seem practically like a different species. PPD women are lucky most women aren't like them, because if they were, I would have joined Team Misogyny a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:19 PM
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My only agenda is equal reproductive rights for all. I'm egalitarian. Why is supporting both sexes' reproductive rights so hard for you? Why do women deserve special rights above men's? It’s illegal to use anyone’s body for ANYTHING without their consent. Yes, and that includes forcing someone to work to provide for a being whose existence was ultimately your decision, not his.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:02 AM
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they don’t understand normal social codes of conduct and behavior Which allows them to see through the bullshit. Neurotypicals don't read people better. They just have the advantage of most people being neurologically wired like themselves. NTs have just as much trouble reading autists as autists do reading them, which wouldn't be expected if it were superiority rather than just a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:59 AM

You're asking a guy who is married to a woman 7 years older and still enjoys fucking her as much as he ever has. See my flair to work out our approximate ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:20 AM
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I believe in unfettered access to abortions and I believe in legal paternal surrender. I'm consistent because I believe in reproductive rights for everyone, unlike you who only wants it for half the population. Nah, sorry, I’m not gonna support a system that lets males abandon their kids more than they already do. Again, if abortion is not murder then legal paternal surrender is not abandonment. If there is no child to murder at the relevant stage of the pregnancy, then there's also no child to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:17 AM
-1

The time to pay for a woman on a date is after she has already proved that she is loyal and worthy as a partner, not during the getting-to-know-you stage. It's very entitled to demand girlfriend treatment without girlfriend commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:14 AM
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Yes it is a social norm for a man to pay for a date so why is he unwilling to do this for you? And this is why it's important to have both autistic and neurotypical people in a population. Without the former, illogical social norms never get questioned and re-examined. Autistic people have no investment in maintaining social norms for their own sake and naturally bulldoz society's sacred cows.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:10 AM
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Women still have abortion rights in approximately 33 states in the US. Zero states have legal paternal surrender, and courts pretty much always force men who are raped as minors to pay child support. If women want their reproductive rights back on a national scale, they should really try to make sure that men's reproductive rights are included too so that there is buy-in on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:45 PM
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Especially when you explain that men have fewer reproductive rights than women. I used to think maybe it would be a good way to help women to see how much worse it could be and to encourage them to count their blessings, but I've yet to see it work in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:51 PM
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I would also suspect that men use up razors faster, since beard hair is much coarser and more aggressive than women's body hair. Is that a blue tax?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:16 PM
1

Carrying less crap on the plane should also be a legitimate way to earn privilege on a plane.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:56 PM
1

I disagree, the comfort alone is the main draw. People in first class have to deal with other passengers fumbling around with their luggage too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:56 PM
1

Still doesn't help to clear out the plane as quickly as possible to avoid the ridiculous fumbling around. It's amazing how attached people are to the way we do things just because we've always done them that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:14 PM

I'm saying that cheating can threaten someone's body.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:58 PM
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Airlines should let people with no overhead luggage get off the plane first so that the people with overhead luggage have more space to get it down and out in the first place. Everyone wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:46 PM
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When I was a little kid hearing "ma'am" for the first time, I wondered why a woman was being called "man." XD
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:43 PM
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The fact that there are more homeless men than homeless women implies that plenty of men would not be homeless if they had been born female.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:41 PM

If the slap is light enough, there is no harm. On the other hand, if the infidelity leads to an STD, there is harm. It's not as black-and-white as you are painting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:28 PM

“just ignore them” Same thing all boys were told when bullied.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:27 PM
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What are you talking about?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 12:21 PM
1

This is my relationship. My wife has two to four orgasms for my one every time we have penetrative sex. I thought it was pretty normal. She's also the only woman I've cummed with during sex. I bet that if we totalled all the women who have multiple orgasms from sex and the women who have none, we would find that there is no orgasm gap in absolute orgasms during sex between the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:20 PM

I think there is confusion here. It's not cheating to fuck a bunch of people during the talking stage. What I'm saying is that it is a good idea to find out whether someone is capable of cheating during that stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:17 PM

I'm just bothered how even the lowest-level domestic abusers are treated as pariahs by society (even if their slaps leave no physical injuries), but cheaters are somehow exempt from the same social disapproval despite arguably causing much greater harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:16 PM

I just think it's weird how people who slap their partners in the face even in a way that leaves no injuries are socially deemed unfit for society, but somehow cheaters are not. Cheaters are way too coddled by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:14 PM

I don't personally believe in executing them, but I am suspicious of people who have too much empathy for cheaters. If we agree that killing them is a bridge too far, can we at least agree to give them the same social (if not criminal) treatment that the lowest-level domestic abusers receive?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:12 PM

Do you want people who cheat to be executed? No, but I think they are way too coddled by society. If slapping your partner in the face is deemed to merit ostracization, why not cheating? I think cheating is at least as harmful as the lowest levels of domestic violence and should at least be socially, if not criminally, punished the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:10 PM

I just don't see why we treat someone who slaps their partner in the face with no lasting injuries as a monster who should be ostracized from society, but not a cheater, despite the fact that infidelity can lead to STDs and causes much deeper psychological harm than the minor slap. Basically, at the very least, I think infidelity should have at least the social consequences, if not the legal ones, of the lowest levels of domestic violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:08 PM
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That's a stupid law. After all, the wife was the one who betrayed him, not the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:48 PM
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It certainly wasn't called that. I don't ever remember the term being used pre-Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:43 PM
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Probably shouldn't die, but I think we should at least be able to consider it. I feel like we as a culture have become far too soft on cheaters. People wouldn't think about executing cheaters if they were properly ostracized for the evil that they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:42 PM
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Okay, I feel like you're making this more gendered than I made it. The language I used was entirely gender-neutral. What If instead of a death penalty, the penalty in question was a fine or a certain amount of time in prison (but not enough to take someone's life away, so let's say one year or less)? I can see your point about thinking the person is paranoid if they get weirdly passionate about extreme punishments, but not if they're just trying to have a rational and spirited discussion about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:41 PM
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I feel like people are pretty good at hiding that kind of stuff for the first year. I think of it as something for what people are now calling the talking stage, which wasn't a thing when I was last still on the market 15 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:33 PM
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Most incels don't shoot up people anyway. There's a reason people trying to fearmonger around this keep bringing up Elliot Rodger's murders from 12 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:32 PM
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I'm in favor of higher taxes to support children so that it doesn't fall upon individuals too harshly. I'm genuinely sorry that that happened to you. To be clear, I support the policy I've proposed existing only in places where abortion is legal and readily available. I cannot imagine having a child out there in the world and not giving a shit about them like that. Neither can I, but I still believe that men need reproductive rights. I think it's pretty comparable to the many women who have had …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:18 PM
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Ok, maybe so. Regardless, I think the logic holds even if we're talking about a 5-figure fine or one year in jail. I don't personally believe we should impose a death penalty on cheaters, but because I know I'm not of a cheating disposition, I can dispassionately weigh its pros and cons.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:03 PM
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I know it's not what we do, but I feel like if one does not identify with cheaters, they should be able to weigh the pros and cons of it without getting defensive, regardless of whether they ultimately agree or disagree that it's the correct way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:58 PM
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I'm sorry that happened to you. That was an incorrect use of the expression (since he wasn't a boy, but a man), and what he did to you was wrong. What year did that misuse of "boys will be boys" happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:53 PM
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Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that one test to see if your partner or potential partner is not of a cheating disposition is to see if they can seriously, calmly, and rationally consider the merits of imposing a death penalty for infidelity. If they immediately get defensive about it, it suggests that they identify with the cheater in the scenario and thus are prone to cheating on you at some point. Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:49 PM
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I've only ever seen boys will be boys used to explain silly but crazy things little boys do, such as my toddler son trying to climb up to stand on his tricycle handles. P.S.: the penal system is harder on all men than on all women. Black women have it better than white men in it. Since you're the one bringing up race, let's not forget the elephant in the room which is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:44 PM
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Boys will be boys is an explanation of little boys roughhousing, not rape apologia.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:37 PM
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Well then it's time for a change. Men need reproductive rights because, without them, there is no equality. Also, just to show how fair I am, I believe that only unmarried men should be able to exercise this right. That is, married men could not use this to hide affairs, and women who are worried about this being exercised against them can marry the man before trying to conceive with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:35 PM
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If abortion is not murder, then exercising legal paternal surrender during the same period of time is not abandonment. He would make his decision, and then she would decide whether or not she's capable of being a single mother, all whilst she still has the choice to abort. If she has received a formal notice of legal paternal surrender and still has the kid despite knowing she's not capable of caring for it, that's on her. Again, this is a very feminist idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:22 PM
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Everyone's just talking about men wanting sex, as if there were no important social issues plaguing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:17 PM
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Men should be allowed to opt out of all parental rights and responsibilities during a period of the pregnancy shorter than the period in which a woman is allowed to abort. He should not be forced to be a parent based on her unilateral choice. The fact that society allows women to do that gives them way too much power over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:16 PM
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I think a major reason why Roe v Wade was overturned was that men were never given their reproductive rights (despite Karen DeCrow, the leader of NOW when Roe was handed down, being a strong supporter of men's reproductive rights). This meant that there was no united front when the conservatives came for Roe. I believe that any re-implementation of Roe that is to last has to also uphold men's reproductive rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:11 PM
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That's my thought, but some people seem to think that it's a matter of parental choice (even though they would never say that about the female equivalent, clitoral hood cutting).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:09 PM
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I was in Munich. You ever thought about looking for a Spanish, Portuguese, or Italian wife? You'd be considered tall in their countries. I'm guessing Hamburg is similar to Amsterdam in height. Despite only being 1.70 m, Amsterdam is the only place I've been in Europe where I felt like I looked out of place based on height alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:28 PM
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I don't get people here telling me that legalized infant male genital cutting is not a problem because it's the parents' decision and not mandatory. Unless it is absolutely medically necessary, I don't think it should be the decision of anyone except for the owner of the genitals in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:38 AM
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I'm 1.70 m, and I didn't feel as much like a midget in (Southern) Germany as I expected. I even saw guys my height or shorter with girlfriends. I wonder if there is a height difference between Northern and Southern Germany.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:41 AM
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Have you thought about looking for women in Southern Europe? I feel like your height would not be so disqualifying in Spain, Portugal, or Italy (especially Southern Italy).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:39 AM
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I saw clearly ethnic German men who were my height or shorter (I'm 1.70 m) with girlfriends in Munich a few weeks ago, and they weren't old. I thought everyone was going to make me look like a child with my height, but that was not the case. In Amsterdam, yes, but I didn't feel like a midget in Munich. Are you in Northern Germany? I imagine that height there is more like in the Netherlands. In the South, I feel like the shorter stocky Alpine phenotype (with even some residual Mediterranean influ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:37 AM
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I don't think women are inherently any worse or better than men. I believe women are capable of the same level of virtue and vice as men. That said, I feel like women are not being taught to be their best selves these days to a greater extant than men are, but the ones who do become their best selves are all the more valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:15 AM
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Am I wrong that baby girls' genitals are protected while baby boys' are not, and that only men have to register for the selective service?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:26 AM
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Yes!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:53 AM
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Roe v Wade was an example. Men deciding to give women the vote despite having nothing to lose from not doing it is going to bat for them. There are plenty of examples. Men generally like to make women happy and will do what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:46 AM
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Well, both these comments were direct. I directly but politely asked someone if they were a misandrist, and somebody directly told me to fuck right off. Since the latter comment was reported hours ago with no removal, I can only conclude that the mods here see my polite clarifying question as a greater violation of civility than hostile profanity. The commenter also called me ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:35 AM
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I think the young men who are telling misogynistic jokes are a loud minority. Everything else shows that men are more egalitarian, more accepting of women doing all kinds of work, and more equitable about housework than ever. I have no excuse to want to be evil. I just want men to be treated fairly. I'm a good man and don't deserve collective punishment. And by the way, Facebook definitely existed in both 2006 and 2011.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:24 AM
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So apparently, politely asking someone if they are a misandrist is being uncivil, but telling someone to fuck right off is not. I don't pretend to understand PPD mod logic. EDIT: the offending comment has been removed!!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:09 AM
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Feminists say that male circumcision is not comparable to even the lightest forms of FGM. I would say that kind of dismissiveness is keeping the movement down. I imagine that the satirical calls to repeal the 19th amendment are mainly a criticism of only men being forced to register for selective service. I'm completely against the overturning of Roe v Wade. That was an absolute tragedy, no doubt about it. However, I think the only way to bring it back in a stable way is to ensure that the repro…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:08 AM
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I could definitely see JFK signing the Equal Pay Act to get some extra tail on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:54 PM
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Well we did have the internet 15 and 20 years ago. Misandry wasn't so rife then. That's a fair point that you're making, but there has definitely been an increase in misandry in my lifetime, even though men are better than ever by all feminist metrics. Shouldn't women want to reinforce good behavior by not badmouthing the most feminist-compliant generation of men ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:52 PM
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I've already proven how women have rights that men do not have. Women are literally first-class citizens in the west today.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:49 PM
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They make it harder to take action when they dismiss it as incomparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:41 PM
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And men have not collectively gone above and beyond by giving women more rights than those given to themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:33 PM
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I give him the benefit of the doubt. After all, his private Reddit account was found, and there was nothing Nazi- like in his comments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 10:28 PM
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I believe him when he say he didn't know what it meant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 10:27 PM
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I do. But I also take it up with so-called leftist enablers (who are all just neoliberal shitheads).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:08 PM
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Men don't have any reproductive rights. Women can still get abortions in 33 states, and even in the states where they can't, they still have safe haven laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:07 PM
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The right to genital integrity and the right to vote and enjoy all civil rights without military registration are two big ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:06 PM
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I hear you, and I wish we could be more optimistic about this. I personally like Graham.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 08:02 PM
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And yet women hate us for crimes we had nothing to do with. Until they get over that, we have every right to point to the positive things that men have done in order to cancel out the negative things that we are being collectively held responsible for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:57 PM
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If circumcision is a religious/cultural/psychological issue, then so should FGM be one. Can't you see that the fact that religious beliefs trump a baby boy's bodily autonomy is the problem? No one should be allowed to decide for anybody's genitals to be cut except their own. Why is giving minor children of both sexes equal protection of their genitals even a controversial position? I genuinely care about things. No one ever thought that a hot war in Europe would ever happen in the 21st century, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:25 PM
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Most importantly, the right to genital integrity and the right to enjoy all civil rights without military registration.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:00 PM
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But it's not equal, women have better rights than men in the West. You said praise is for extra, and in the West, women do have extra. At the very least, I think we deserve not to be hated worse than when you didn't have rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:51 PM
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Also, unlike races, there is no intergenerational accumulation of wealth disparities among the sexes. Every person is immediately descended from a man and a woman, so whatever wealth disparities might have affected a given generation of women immediately disappear with a clean reset for the next generation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 04:34 PM
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The question of hypergamy does not affect my support of equal rights. However, what does make me viscerally question it momentarily in my less noble moments is seeing how misandry seems to be worse than ever, despite women having better rights than men these days, and despite men being better on all the metrics that feminists said they cared about. No one likes ingratitude. If men see that giving women what they want politically speaking doesn't improve social relations between the sexes, they l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:25 PM
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If he can get it up for her, he finds her attractive. Take it from one who has had the awkward experience of being in bed with a woman I couldn't get it up for it because I couldn't find her attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:03 AM
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Men who are not in power certainly are. Indeed, I believe that men gravitate to formal positions of power because of the lack of social power in their everyday lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:19 PM
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I never even tried to look online. I definitely experienced PPD as a dad. However, I had read that we don't experience any hormonal changes, yet somehow I had this strange urge to cry all the time for the first few weeks after he was born.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 02:37 AM
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Exactly, women can just meekly look cute and be considered socially acceptable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 02:22 AM
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I totally agree. I would have seemed completely normal if I could have just flowed with the current in social interactions too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 02:22 AM
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I absolutely agree. Men had been quite nice to women and receptive to feminism when women on Twitter just up and decided to antagonize the male sex for no reason. I think almost all Millennial men were raised with feminist principles to varying degrees. Just one more reason why I believe that 2010-11 was the peak of civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:09 AM
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Thanks! I thought it was funny. I was also impressed by his instinctual social acumen. He somehow knew that my wife doesn't like it when people pee in the yard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:03 AM
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Yeah, I never understood that either, not wanting to be with men but wanting to look like them for some reason. If you really aren't attracted to men, wouldn't you want to look as feminine as possible as an absolute rejection of everything male?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:15 AM
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Unless you're over 7 inches long. XD
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:12 AM
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My 3.5-year-old son just committed me to a secret for the first time. We've been playing in the yard, and he didn't want to have to go all the way back into the house and upstairs to pee, so he had me help him take off his pants so that he could pee in the yard. He told me not to tell mom, and I told him I would gladly oblige.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:02 AM
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Not to mention that almost all those oligarchic men have wives who get to share in the same luxurious lifestyle without the responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:34 PM
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They don't speak for me. I want more social programs and job creation for men. Men are marginalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:22 PM
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But that's just having an individual nervous breakdown, not concerted political action.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:21 PM
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Except that there's very little alignment between men's interests and conservatism. Ideologically consistent leftism would be the most helpful ideology for men. It should be recognized, for example, that being more violent and being more likely to be targeted by the police are signs that a group is marginalized, not empowered; this is understood for other immutable groups but is completely forgotten when it comes to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:19 PM
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Women have more rights than men, and have for quite some time. Don't you think it's a little bit entitled to think they deserve even better than that? If you want equality, you should be supporting men's rights so that they are at the same level as women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:02 PM
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And new technologies also fed women an unprecedented diet of misandrist propaganda. The ruling classes love this, because it means dividing us so that we fight each other instead of fighting them. So they encourage it, and they know that you feel like it's progressive righteous indignation, when it could not be more contributory to maintaining the interests of the ruling class. Men treat women better than they ever have. If you think misandry is the appropriate reaction to this moment, you're te…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:30 PM
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Misandry is obviously not a response to misogyny. If that were the case, it would have peaked when women were actually oppressed, such as when they couldn't vote or when they were expected to be housewives all the time in the 1950s. It makes no sense for misandry to peak now when women have scarcely ever had it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:14 PM

Oh yeah, it was perfectly consensual sex, even if it didn't end exactly how I wanted it. We have one child, but her tubes are tied now. If I told her to slow down, she would, but I wouldn't want to interrupt her momentum towards her second, third, or even fourth orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:24 PM

Interesting. I never would have thought about it in those terms. I have cummed inside her with her on top many times. EDIT: and this includes times where she went at it too hard for me to be able to finish on top, even though that's what I really wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:53 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what being on top or not has to do with anything. If the sex is consensual, why does it matter who is on top or not? That said, I have heard women talk about consensual sex resulting in pregnancy in surprisingly passive ways. And whenever I hear that, I immediately get concerned and wonder if they were raped. When they tell me no, I can't help but ask why then they're talking about it as if it were something that happened to them rather than something they participate…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:36 PM
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Fuck buddy?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:40 PM
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And on my side, I was really bothered that women have such wildly inconsistent views on whether a man should shave his body hair or not. I really wished there were just one standard, even if it meant having to shave my whole hairy body smooth. I was seriously worried I might meet the love of my life some day, but then scare her away because I had chosen the wrong body hair grooming standard for her. Women who like their men shaved think hairy men look like disgusting cavemen, while women who lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:14 AM
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Yep, always the low to mid ones who in theory should have worshipped the ground I walked on who cheated on me. Meanwhile, my wife is the most attractive woman I've ever had, and she's never cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:57 AM
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I totally agree. We all agree it's wrong to say that people with a certain phenotype need to make people with another phenotype feel safe in their presence, regardless of what the crime statistics say. Why does this get thrown out the window the minute that we're talking about men versus women rather than one visually distinct group of humans versus another?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:06 PM
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Men need to have more of an in-group bias. Men can't form a men's union because there are too many sex-desperate scabs who will defect on a dime.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:03 PM

Thanks! The truth is that her mature body is quite a snack for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:04 PM

We've been together for almost 15 years and married for 12.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:09 PM

The maximum age of attraction has actually increased as I've gotten older. My wife is 7 years older than me, and I was once afraid that I might grow out of attraction to her, but fortunately that has not happened. I expect to find her sexually attractive for at least another 15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:08 PM

So there is the answer as to why women should care that men don't have partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:56 PM

And if they didn't, would you contemn them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:58 PM

For sure. However, I feel like people would be better equipped to resist that kind of content if they had regular contact with same- aged family members of the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:05 PM
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Why should how he's approaching even matter if you can break his wrists with a little bit of effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:00 PM

Hot take: the gender wars of today are facilitated by our small family sizes. It's hard to have wide-scale hatred of the opposite sex when almost everyone has at least one sibling belonging to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:57 PM

Yeah, why should women care that their brothers and sons don't have partners? It's not as if men were the same species as women, let alone existing within the same families, right? /S
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:50 PM
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I am very leftist. Nothing I said there is inconsistent with wanting economic justice for the working class, liberal social policies, Money out of politics, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:49 PM

You can serve men in a leftist way without lying to them. It's weird that you think the left can only act with principle by going against male interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:02 PM
2

Thanks for thinking of your brother. Now I'm curious, has he had girlfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:45 PM
3

Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:35 PM
0

The left needs to start treating men like any other oppressed minority, i.e., superserve them and validate their concerns. Given that men are still expected to be the work sex, worker's rights are men's rights. The left needs to lean into that, as well as understand that the majority of people in power being men doesn't help the average man anymore than Obama being president helped the average person with his physical characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:01 PM
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Well, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. But be careful what you say, since I've been temporarily banned for questioning whether people were who or what they said they were. I'm not reporting you or anything, I'm just telling you what I've already experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:42 PM

I'm genuinely sorry that your family dynamic didn't validate you as it should have. I feel like my brother was always treated as the responsible adult while I was seen as kind of eternally infantile, regardless of my academic and professional achievements. Even to this day, my dad sometimes calls me by the diminutive form of my name, and while I know he does it with affection and without any malice, it's not great for my dignity as a grown-ass man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:36 PM
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Yeah, I'm autistic, and I'm embarrassed as hell that guys like him are shaping how people like me are represented to the wider world. I don't understand why he would even want a woman to put out for him who would show no enthusiasm for his body. Maybe he just hadn't thought that far ahead. If she had agreed to put out for him, I suspect he would have immediately regretted it upon seeing that she was treating it as a chore and trying to suppress her gag reflex the whole time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:28 PM

Kind of like how I, as someone diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome (I guess the terminology today is autism level 1) as a child, am forever grateful that I was able to marry a woman who loves having sex with me, since, statistically speaking, I was supposed to remain a sad, lifelong virgin, and I probably would have if I hadn't made a very deliberate choice to seriously put myself out there from about the age of 20 on. Maybe neurotypical people just expect to have what I have the same way most fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:20 PM

If it continues intergenerationally, sure. However, the individuals who personally witnessed the change would be grateful to the grave.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:07 PM

Could you be more specific?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:38 PM

Maybe you missed the memo, but since World War II, we have decided that collective punishment and guilt are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:23 PM

Sorry, I thought the meaning was pretty transparent. Naked cuddling to reinforce pair bonds and create a safe space for escalation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:23 PM

Looking forward to having some skin time with my wife tonight for the first time in three weeks 🤩
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:58 PM
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So if all men are bad, and men are bad when they have casual sex, but casual sex is the best thing in the world for women (who are mostly straight, despite what the fringe comphet guys are saying), how is that all supposed to work together?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:56 PM

Not MAGA, but MWGA (Make Women Grateful Again) XD Seriously though, if men received half the societal support, empathy, goodwill, and sweetness that women receive, we'd be super grateful and never take them for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:45 PM

Are you in Latin America? I see short young guys here with girlfriends all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:35 PM

My wife is about 5 ft or 5 ft 1. I'm 5 ft 7. Isn't it mostly American women who are like that? I bet your height would not be a problem at all in pretty much all of Latin America.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:30 PM
1

I think that being forced to carry to term a child resulting from consensual sex is comparable to being forced to pay child support, and that being forced to carry to term a child resulting from rape is comparable to being forced to pay child support to one's rapist (which is something that has been happening for quite some time, see Hermesmann v. Seyer and the many other cases just like it).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:50 AM
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I really don't think I am. Women can say horrible things about men without being canceled. Only man in far-right edgy niches can get away with saying similarly horrible things about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:05 PM
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Some women make bad generalizations about men. Some men make bad generalizations about women. That is certainly true. However, there seems to be a big difference in mainstream acceptance of each type.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:41 PM
1

Yeah, we all want kids to be extensions of ourselves, but at some point, there needs to be awareness that this is a different person who needs to be loved on his or her own terms. By the way, I'm appreciating the more friendly turn our interactions have taken over the past month or so. I'm sure there are plenty of things that we disagree deeply on, but I feel like you're a decent person who's willing to look at things from different perspectives, so you're all right in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:35 PM
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There was plenty of cheating. My friends in her country confirmed it. There were at least 2 whose names I know. She admitted it to my now wife, who was her professor and friend. In one of her old social media profiles, she described herself as a succubus who fulfills others' sexual fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:33 PM
1

About one year. I think at least three or four. I would not be surprised if there were more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:17 PM
1

Fair enough, I understand why some might consider that term loaded. What about core bi versus peripheral bi?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:55 PM
1

It's certainly part of the female sexuality of the woman I was dating before I met my wife. She cheated on me with so many people of both sexes during our long distance period.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:53 PM
1

I still think people should be a little more forthright about what they are if they want to avoid misunderstandings. If somebody says they're bi without specifying a subtype, people will assume that they are true bi according to my classification. Someone outside that range is perfectly within their right to say they're bi, but they can't be angry when people misunderstand.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 09:12 AM
1

Yeah, it's hard for me to understand people who idealize parenting children who are adolescents and basically independent most of the day right now, as I have a 3.5 year old who wants to stand up on the handles of his tricycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:32 AM
1

I also feel like there was more of a division between celebrity beauty standards and everyday beauty standards for people you actually knew. It was understood that the hyper exaggerated beauty standards of celebrities was a fantasy with respect to real daily life. I remember being in high school and looking at a kind of short, squat, curvy girl, thinking to myself, she could never be an MTV star, but I think she's hot. I think that was a pretty common mentality. Instagram has destroyed this dist…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:39 AM
1

I'm guessing you must be an auntie, since you have a pretty realistic idea of what parenting is actually like during those first few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:33 AM
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That's funny, I was nagged by my parents to procreate, especially my mother. I think she tried to look like she didn't care, but she was always doing little things that made it clear that she totally wanted us to become parents, such as keeping little kid's clothes around just in case. May she rest in peace. That said, I'm a bit sad I only became a parent after she was dead and couldn't enjoy her first and only grandchild. I'm not going to do that to my son. If he wants to be a parent, great. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:25 AM
1

I don't have much time as a busy father. I just know that human rights should be respected.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:19 AM
1

If that's the case, there's even less reason to have a sexist emigration policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:45 PM
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It's not my fault that Zelensky didn't enact policies that made men actually want to fight for their country. I believe that any country that has to force people to fight for it does not deserve to continue existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:31 PM
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I think people should listen to basic human rights principles of non- discrimination and freedom of movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:30 PM
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Just because people won't listen doesn't mean it's not true. Women and children are allowed to leave Ukraine, men are not. How is that not a sexist emigration policy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:23 PM
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Additionally, look at how EU countries are now advocating for deporting Ukrainian men back to Ukraine. If they'll do that, they will also implement similar emigration policies for their own men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:11 PM
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I just don't see why they would think I'm unreasonable when the EU has tacitly endorsed Ukraine's sexist emigration policy. If despite that obvious fact they still think I'm the unreasonable one, then I think they're kind of beyond all help.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:08 PM
1

It's hard when men don't have organizations to advocate for them the way women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:07 PM
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I'm sorry you're in a third-world red state. Really. I hope you can get out as soon as possible. Come to Mexico. Abortion is legal in every state and constitutionally protected. In theory, safe haven laws apply to fathers. In practice, given which parent has access from the outset to the child physically, and has the power to deny such access to the other, it's pretty much impossible for a man to actually exercise that right, and it's pretty easy for a woman to do so unilaterally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:19 PM
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Women can literally just drop the child off at a firehouse and forget about him. Given that, I don't think it's unreasonable to give men a narrow window in which to renounce all parental rights and responsibilities before the child is even born (and still abortable). To paraphrase Dave Chappelle, "If y'all can kill the motherfucker, I should be able to abandon him."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:53 PM
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I don't do that because I love my son and want to be in his life. However, I understand that there are cases where a man is deceived. I once slept with a woman who claimed she was infertile, and yet years later, I checked her Facebook page and saw a little kid of hers (no, it definitely was not mine, based on both the fact that I never came in her and on timing). Interesting that you just insulted the concept instead of addressing what I believe is a reasonable balancing of competing interests t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:44 PM
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I agree, we don't get to force women to have a child or not. That's their choice. But it should also be unmarried men's choice to decide whether or not to be parents, within a time shorter than the time for a woman to decide if she wants to have an abortion or be a single mother. I think that's reasonable. I've even advocated for guardrails on men's parental choice freedom as a gesture of empathy towards women. Marriage should be the way in which they can ensure that a man will not execute legal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:28 PM
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Feminists also have the advantage of their movement dovetailing perfectly with traditional chivalry, i.e., tell big powerful men how much women are suffering and ask them to fix it. And since men want women to be happy, they've said yes about 90% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:14 PM
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Ukraine is also a lot culturally closer to the West than Afghanistan is. None of the EU countries that supposedly believe in equality and democracy are sanctioning Ukraine for its sexist emigration laws or setting preconditions of equalizing those laws in order to access Western weaponry. Given that none of the so-called enlightened democratic Western governments have opposed Ukraine's gendered emigration policy, it's really not unreasonable for men in the West to think that they might be next. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:03 PM
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The overturn of Roe v. Wade sucks, but even with it, in the worst case, women still have safe haven laws, meaning that they still have more options about what to do if they don't want to become parents than men do. I really thought the overturning of Roe v. Wade would teach women to be a little more empathetic of men's situation of having literally zero reproductive and parental choice rights in the US, no matter what state. It's like some feminist with the monkey's paw requested equality, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:00 PM
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What can we do for those men? I wish the Western governments would impose sanctions on Ukraine to say that they need to let men leave if they want our weapons. How do I advocate for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:58 PM
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Are you asserting that men don't have societal issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:57 PM

How funny that you mentioned the Great Recession, since 2008 was the very year that I turned in my v-card.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:03 PM

No, I've not been mean to my family. However, even the strongest marriage is stress-tested when your child's so rambunctious that all other kids just seem like really smart dogs with a spell to disguise as human in comparison to him. Indeed, I'm the more tolerant and patient one in my family. So here's the context. My dad had a heart attack in Europe, so his three sons including me agreed that one of us should go to make sure he's not overexerting himself following treatment, and given the freel…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:58 PM

No!!! Why would you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:00 PM

Interesting. As I said, in my case, it feels validating to not be seen as having lost at pathologically late anymore, but I grieve for those who may never lose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:59 PM

Now that six years have passed since the COVID-19 pandemic, are loss of virginity ages going back down too, or have they permanently risen? When I lost my virginity at 20 in the late 2000s, I was definitely considered a late bloomer. It felt kind of validating to learn that hanging on to virginity until even 25 was normal in the next generation after mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:33 PM

😂😂😂 True
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:19 PM

(B)A introverted man who wants to go to the beach, nature walks, watch movies, eat food and talks about history would not be boring to me, that guys sounds fun and likable to me. However I am also a introvert. That sounds like me. I even got my BA in history. I'm very happily married, but it brings me joy to see that women who like my personality type still exist (especially if my son happens to take after it when he's older).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:19 PM

Thanks! Also, given the nature of this subreddit, I think it's relevant to mention I've lost some weight. Not enough for a full-scale glow up just yet, but I do think it's enough to immediately make a real difference in the physical part of my marriage when I get back.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:15 PM

Good to see you back.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:13 PM

From PPD jail?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:12 PM

Which length? I think he had three different lengths during the approximately two-and-a-half years that Nirvana had mainstream popularity and Kurt was still alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:11 PM

I'm going back home to my wife and child on Wednesday after 3 weeks away. I'm trying to go back with a fresh perspective that will create less friction and more connection in our day-to-day life. I'm so excited to hold my wife close again and to give my little munchkin a tickle and a squeeze.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:10 PM
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I thought a lot about this too. Men are better than ever in all the things that feminists say matter, yet misandry is that an all-time high. What incentive do men have to keep becoming better according to feminist standards when it does nothing to bring a ceasefire to the gender wars or elevate women's opinion of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:07 PM
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As an aspy/autistic man who was a virgin until the age of 20, I realize how lucky I am that I was able to avoid falling into the autistic lifelong virgin trap. Because of that, even though I very fortunately have a wife who gives me amazing sex, I will never take for granted the sexual access I have enjoyed in my life so far, since I know how easily it could have been butterflied away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:04 PM
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Yeah, I don't get it. I'm not sexless, but I would never say that sex is not important. I have sex because it's important to me. I'd be very sad if I were forced to stop having sex forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:30 PM
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All I'm saying is don't say sex doesn't matter and then advocate to solve a problem that only results if sex matters to a whole lot of people. For the record, I am very pro-abortion and I think sex is important. I'm consistent in that regard. I do think that what the politically compromised SCOTUS did was essentially a human rights violation, but that's not a license to gaslight unfortunate sexless men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:29 PM
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I think it's hilarious how the "sex doesn't mean much" crowd also thinks banning or severely restricting abortion is a serious human rights violation, even though only people who have sex need abortions. Why can't they just abstain from the activity that doesn't mean much anyway, problem solved, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:10 PM
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Or in general when middle-aged guys date younger women instead of women their own age. Then suddenly, leagues are prescriptive rather than merely descriptive again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:31 PM
1

"Employers can't choose job seekers unless they applied in the first place."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:26 PM
0

Here's how I categorize it: 99-75% opposite sex attraction: bi-leaning straight 74-66% opposite sex attraction: straight-leaning bi 65% opposite sex attraction to 65% same sex attraction: true bi 74-66% same sex attraction: gay/lesbian-leaning bi 99-75% same sex attraction: bi-leaning gay/lesbian
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:09 PM

Women have more rights than men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:05 AM

The majority of men are more supportive of equality than ever. You can't judge all men based on those guys. The statistics show that men are more egalitarian than ever. We've been trying to make peace for a long long time. This is not the time to be hateful towards men. If women are hateful towards men in this time when men are more progressive than ever, it's just going to teach men that however good we are, it doesn't matter, there's no proportionality between what we do and what women think o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:05 AM
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And in my view, my marriage is nothing to show off or be proud of if I don't have exclusive sexual access to my wife. Whilst I like showing off my woman, I have a clear "look, don't touch" boundary, something that cucks do not have.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:24 AM
3

Ukrainian women don't have suffrage?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:19 AM
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Hey, I once had a Judith-Butler-looking butch lesbian goth tell me that she never goes for guys but would make an exception for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:17 AM
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Had a type. My wife of 12 years has a single-digit body count and has never cheated on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:12 AM
1

Aren't more males also identifying as LGBTQ too? Also, I'd be interested in knowing how many of those "queer" women look indistinguishable from conventionally feminine straight women and ultimately marry men (or date men 90%+ of the time). I knew plenty of "bi" women just like that in my Millennial circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:10 AM
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As I said elsewhere, it really doesn't make any sense. I have plenty of evidence from my daily life that my wife does like me because I am a man. She lets out a delighted gasp when she grabs my flexed arm or muscled thighs, shows unfeigned interest in my male genitals, and was pretty disappointed when I practically shaved off my pubic hair a few months ago (saying it made me look less manly). When we met, I had an androgynous twinky goth style, but she has slowly guided me towards a more convent…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:04 AM
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It really doesn't make any sense. I have plenty of evidence from my daily life that my wife does like me because I am a man. She lets out a delighted gasp when she grabs my flexed arm or muscled thighs, shows unfeigned interest in my male genitals, and was pretty disappointed when I practically shaved off my pubic hair a few months ago (saying it made me look less manly). When we met, I had an androgynous twinky goth style, but she has slowly guided me towards a more conventionally masculine sty…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:03 AM
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It feels like you're making excuses for women who cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:39 PM
2

She's not the only person who's cheated on me. And one of the others also had a very high-n count and obsession with variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:38 PM
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Don't you think both cheating and high-n counts correlate with a need for more variety than one partner can provide?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:38 PM
2

Crazy to me that that would be the root of that. It seems that wanting to be on the opposite side of that relationship would be the cause of a cuckoldry fetish. Or pushing her to do things with other guys, something that I would never do. For me, it's about feeling like I was excluded from romantic relationships in middle school and high school while seeing girls in sexy clothes with their boys and wanting to be on the winning side of that equation now. It's not about cuckoldry, it's about heali…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:30 PM

I don't think he would have pressed up against her if he saw me there, knowing that I could kick his ass. I'm afraid it's too late to make a complaint. She didn't even tell me about this until more than a year after our child was born. I really hope she feels okay now. I won't see her again until Wednesday. Yeah, I probably couldn't have been there if I was my wife's wife, but I think there would have been more consideration. I think the fact that for obvious reasons most partners of women who g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:18 PM

She has peace of mind because she knows that the child is hers (or at least thinks she does, but who knows if it was moved around when she was too woozy from all the medicines?).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:16 PM

Don't you think that's a little bit extreme? That doesn't sound rational to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:11 PM

But she wanted me there, and it was my child too. Attitudes like yours give cover to obstetric violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:10 PM

Because my mother-in-law also gave birth there, decades before COVID, and the policy was the same then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:09 PM
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Nah, it was because of other things I was going through. However, I do feel like my wife's pussy is perfect for me and I'm content to never experience another one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:07 PM
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But I wonder if it's just psychological due to the fact that women have the good fortune that their internal genitals can't be differentiated with the naked eye. It'd be a weird kind of study to have women with different sizes in individual men thrusting for a certain amount of time inside each of them as a sort of sensation test. For science, of course. I feel like Masters and Johnson might have done something like that back in the day. It seems like the kind of study you'd have to hire STD-tes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:06 PM
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I'm glad you're having a bit of fun, since this forum gets all too serious sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:03 PM
2

My wife is the only woman I've ever cum with during sex, so her pussy blows all the other pussies I've experienced out of the water.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:49 PM
5

They got brainwashed by the Backstreet Boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:48 PM
3

I wasn't visualizing the dudes in a solo act. Just pride in knowing that I get to touch what they only get to look at.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:14 PM

And I happily would have asked for one for her, had I not been shut out of the birthing room based on a stupid misandrist policy that resulted in her getting abused by a young doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:25 PM
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Indeed it was. And it was made all the harder by how I was conditioned to see cheating as a male vice. I think the younger generations really need to be taught that cheating is not a gendered danger anymore. Too many teenaged boys and young men never see it coming because outdated statistics involving generations that are either dead or require Viagra to fuck are still presented to paint cheating as something men do to women. Additionally, to get back to the main topic, I definitely think there …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:02 PM
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We both agreed not to share each other, and that I was all hers and she was all mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:50 PM

I am not into virtue signaling, but my wife is now in her mid forties, and after nearly 15 years together, I can proudly say that I enjoy sex with her now more than ever. She's also seven years older than me, so I'm not yet in my own forties (even though I'm not far off). There's something about her mature body that I find very attractive. Maybe it's the fact that any 25-year-old can easily look attractive with no effort, so when I see that she's still gorgeous 20 years above that, it shows that…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:41 PM
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I think a lot of erroneous ideas about sex and dating come from one sex projecting unto the other what it wants. Men would definitely take "She's nice to me and she's not butt ugly" as a good reason for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:31 PM
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You know, I used to be the male feminist telling his friends to stop slut-shaming, because if they felt less stigmatized about being sluts, we could probably get more sex. However, after dating a woman with a very high body count whose exact number I did not get to know (but which was known to my wife, who was introduced to me by my ex), and getting serially cheated on by this ex while I was faithful in a long distance relationship, I couldn't help but come to think, maybe my slut-shaming friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:28 PM

I wasn't able to ask for anything because I wasn't even allowed in. God-damned misandrist policies that let her get abused because her protector was shut out!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:23 PM

After all, he clearly had the color that one would expect of the two of us. I am mostly of European descent and my wife is Latin American of mostly indigenous heritage with some Euro. The funny thing is that he turned out lighter than I expected and darker than my wife expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:19 PM

Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:16 PM

Sorry, I don't understand what that statement is in response to in context.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:15 PM

I also made it clear I trusted her, but not necessarily the hospital. I was never allowed in the birthing room, and I only saw my son almost 48 hours after he was born. My wife had a terrible time in the hospital, and I only found out from her over a year later that she had been subjected to obstetric violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:11 PM

I just asked her hypothetically how she would feel. She occasionally expressed doubts the first few days, again, because his hair texture seemed so different from what would be expected from the combination of the two of us, but we both came to see him resemble us more over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:08 PM

I have no cuckold fetish. That came entirely from your mind. I have never been a porn watcher.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:06 PM
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That was misunderstood. I meant that I liked thinking they would find her so attractive that they might do that later. Read my words carefully, I never once mentioned actually imagining the solo act on the part of the guys. On the other hand, I gave an example of how this actually played out on vacation. My wife and I were at this restaurant, and she was wearing a very flattering short sundress. We were both in our thirties, and the waiter was probably in his early twenties. We could both tell t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:12 AM

Awesome!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:44 AM

I'm fine with it. Just make sure that we also know who the female criminals are too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:38 AM

Thanks for admitting that men do have a conscience. That's a step in the right direction against the steady diet of misandry that TikTok is feeding modern women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:37 AM

I also made it clear that I trusted her, but that I thought the hospital might have made a mistake, since hospitals are run by humans, and humans are fallible. Still, I will always admire her for handling it like an adult, which I'm seeing is a pretty rare reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:36 AM

So if he asks her in private with no other witnesses, it's okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:31 AM

I have nothing to hide. I'm glad to have a way to differentiate myself from criminal men. I've had the experience of being treated like I'm unsafe by a woman, despite the fact that her best friend was my best female friend, so I think that should have meant that I was abundantly vetted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:20 AM

How sad that you would punish him like that for a completely ordinary male insecurity. When I said to my wife, "Listen baby, you know I trust you entirely, but how would you feel if I got a paternity test just so I could have the same certainty that you have?", she responded perfectly calmly, unlike all the people here saying that a woman should respond aggressively. And guess what? By reinforcing my security instead of trying to undermine it with an overly adversarial response, she left me so s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:19 AM

Exactly. Shortly after our son's birth, I said to my wife, "Oye mi amor, you know I trust you completely, but how would you feel if I got a DNA test just so that I can have the same certainty that you have?" She didn't chimp out like PPD women are saying a woman should when being asked to something like that. She answered very calmly and understandingly, you know, like a normal, healthy, empathetic adult. And guess what? Her calm demeanor just reinforced my trust in her, and to this day, I've ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:16 AM

Yeah, I once had a night with a woman who had a boyfriend who told me she would do just that if he ever had any suspicions. This was back in 2009. I'm not proud that I let myself be in this position. I was 22 and barely more than a virgin. I felt extremely dirty the next few days, and I never ever slept with a non-single woman again.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:10 AM

If your going to demand a test off your wife 10+ years simply because “she’s female” your An arsehole that shouldn’t be in a relationship and your wife will almost definitely leave you This does not happen. By the way, when I said to my wife, "Listen baby, you know I trust you entirely, but how would you feel if I got a paternity test just so I could have the same certainty that you have?", she responded perfectly calmly, unlike all the people here saying that a woman should respond aggressively…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:08 AM

Perfect. We law-abiding men would have no problem with that. However, I think it's funny that you think a man being a criminal is an impediment to finding female attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:04 AM

They manage different things. I do all the legal paperwork, for example, so organizing a paternity test would be right up my alley. It's very sexist to assume men are incompetent little bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:00 AM

I didn't see a tag on my boy when I was finally allowed to see him after 48 fucking hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:55 AM

That may be so, but I still think the process of isolating women in such a vulnerable situation as giving birth is absolutely scummy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:53 AM

It's sociopathic to cheat on a man and lie to him that it's his child. I don't think most women would do that, but there need to be consequences for those who do. I believe that men and women are equally capable of virtue and vice. The problem is that vicious women are rarely punished the way that vicious men are. I want equality; I'm a simple man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:45 AM

We need to abolish the stupid fucking health insurance system in the US. It's a goddamn crime against humanity. Universal healthcare now!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:44 AM

What are you talking about, I love women. I only hate women who are hateful. You can't find a single piece of proof of me being misogynistic, unless you think me wanting to prevent my wife from getting abused was misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:42 AM

I wasn't allowed in, and not because of anything I did. My wife wanted me there, and I think it was really scummy of the hospital not to respect her fucking wishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:37 AM

I hurled out no insult. I merely asked if you're a misandrist. It's telling that you didn't say no. Anyway, don't you patronize (matronize?) me like that. What if he literally says, "I trust you, would I like to have the same certainty that you think you have"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:31 AM
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Lies! I was sexually assaulted. A stank ass biatch shoved her tongue down my throat at a club. I could have gotten oral herpes, but since I was bigger, security never would have done a damn thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:25 AM

Well that's because I trust my wife, but I can understand how hard it must be for guys who don't. Every man subjected to paternity fraud once trusted his wife and was made a sucker for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:19 AM

But it's not accusing of cheating. It's just wanting the same certainty she has. Why don't you think men deserve that? Is that because you're a misandrist?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:13 AM

Young male doctor was pressing against the side of her body with his penis in his pants. I didn't even know about this until more than a year after it happened. This specific public hospital in the country where we're living has always treated husbands as an unnecessary occupation of space and sanitary risk (or even as a danger that will interfere with treatment or try to coerce the wife to do what he wants). I too was surprised by his curly hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:11 AM

I still think they should be treated as a public good, since kids deserve to know what their genetic profile is if they happen to deal with diseases later. Besides, it can be really hard for men who are not sociopaths to go through with getting her DNA sample without her consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:08 AM

Well I don't know. I wasn't allowed to be there. And I'm angry, because my absence allowed her to suffer obstetric violence. Misandry hurts women too. All I know is that my wife expressed minor doubts about our son being our son at first because he had curly hair that neither of us have.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:46 AM

But she might not know that because she's under so many drugs after all the effort in labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:32 AM

I think there should be mandatory paternity testing anyway. Of course, because I believe in fairness, I believe that such a law should be passed to only take effect 9 months after its passage so that it doesn't retroactively punish anyone who already cheated. However, I think that such a law would be great to save men from paternity fraud in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:31 AM

Exactly, so that's why it's literally a one-time test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:19 AM

She's tired from having given birth, so it makes more sense for him to get the test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:18 AM

Well I wasn't allowed to be in the room with my wife when she gave birth. And thanks to this act of misandry, she was subjected to obstetric violence. Women need to be protected and watched over by the men who love them the most in such a vulnerable situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:17 AM

But it's not constant, it's a one-time test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:14 AM

She's tired from having given birth, so it makes more sense for him to get the test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:12 AM

But she's going to be tired from having just giving birth. It's fair for the man to make the effort to prepare the sample and everything so that she doesn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:10 AM

It probably wouldn't be reasonable to ask her to get a DNA test when she's tired from having just given birth. It makes more sense for the man to get the DNA test for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:09 AM

Thanks! I'm hoping maybe changes can be made if it's finally understood that misandry hurts women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:08 AM

Because you're assuming that suspicions of infidelity are the only reason a man would want a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:03 AM

Maybe so. I think you were writing your message when I expanded on my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:02 AM

And if I said "Don't have kids with men who you think might beat you," I would be called a victim blamer. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:57 AM

Neither I nor any other family member was allowed in the room where my wife gave birth. And thanks to the hospital treating me, the man who loves her more than anyone else in the whole world, with suspicion just because I'm a man, my wife was subjected to obstetric violence. This is what happens when we demonize husbands. I'm still angry!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:55 AM

And what if he didn't know until after that he was having concerns? Does he not deserve the same level of certainty as the mother? And for that matter, why are mothers so trusting? Mothers should want maternity tests to guard against possible switch-ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:54 AM

You know there are other reasons for paternity and maternity testing, such as hospital mix-ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:50 AM

What if it's not because he thought you cheated, but because he thought the hospital might have had a mix-up?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:49 AM

But it's possible that the distrust is not against you, but against the ability of the hospital to keep the babies straight. I never got that test, but that was the only target of my distrust.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:48 AM

Certain emotions might not come out until after the fact. Don't you think you're demanding an unreasonably high level of foresight and planning for men who have never been fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:47 AM
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My son seems not to have been born autistic, thankfully. Not because there's anything wrong with being on the spectrum, but because people like those in this thread go out of their way to make our lives hell, despite us not harming anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:43 AM
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Treat autistics as prey?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:33 AM
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I was diagnosed with Asperger's, now called ASD1, more than 30 years ago. I know that autistics don't always have high IQs, hence my specification of high-IQ autistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:32 AM

Everyone who knows me considers me very noble in character. How am I entitled? You are being very rude. NT empathy at its finest. /S
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:43 PM
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Developments ironically made possible by the kind of hyperfocus that high IQ autistics are known for. You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:40 PM

I'm more empathetic than you are with your pathological hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:35 PM
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Nope. I'm married with a child. Besides, you ladies keep waiting until late to have kids, which increases the likelihood, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:34 PM
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One day, we'll be the majority and you'll have to adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:29 PM
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ASD is not a mental illness. It's a normal part of human variation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:28 PM
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Typical, challenging something I never said. All I'm saying is to accept or reject as one wishes but also to assume good faith. People aren't mind readers, which is why people need to ask people out in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:11 PM
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No, but some grace should be given. It's funny seeing you challenging something I never said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:08 PM
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That's very neurologically ableist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:43 PM
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Downward mobility is a thing too, especially for his generation, which is also my generation. If you look at my life up to the age of 24, I would look pretty upper middle class, but definitely not based on my life since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:36 PM
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Manufactured in the sense that, if he had been a pro-Israel establishment politician, he never would have been scrutinized the way he was. The establishment is shitting its pants trying to bring him down. Yes, the recent evidence of electronic infidelity is deeply unfortunate. However, Collins once had an actual physical affair with a married man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:34 PM
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It's not even nationality, it's having a phenotype that is attractively exotic in the target country.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:33 PM
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When I found out my Latin American long-distance ex was cheating on me after I'd already bought my ticket to visit her, I immediately made sure to make out with as many women as I could at the goth clubs I used to frequent in the American city where I come from. I had to make up for the time she stole from me, and the American women in my orbit were happy to oblige. Later, I ended up moving in with and marrying her hotter professor (who is only 8 years older than her and 7 years older than me).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:32 PM
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My position has always been that humans lie, women are humans, therefore women lie. I never bought "believe all women." Even so, most of his ex-girlfriends had good things to say about him, so even by the logic of "believe all women," the balance is in his favor for anyone being intellectually honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:59 PM
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I'm at my father's house right now, so I've now turned my four-day streak burning 1100 calories daily on the elliptical into a five-day one. I'm going to visit my friend today, along with his wife and their little baby. I will go back to my own wife and child midweek.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:40 PM
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I love how the manufactured Graham Platner scandal is triggering both the libs and rightoids. I really hope the good people of Maine will not throw away this opportunity to finally have a Democrat with balls in the Senate who will fight for the working class instead of being a whore for corporate donors.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:38 PM
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Yeah, goths have been wearing tight black pants pretty much non-stop for the last 40 something years, regardless of bagginess versus tightness trends for pants in the mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:50 PM
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Exactly. Unless they have a thyroid condition or some medical issue that prevents normal cardiovascular activity, most women under 30 have to try pretty hard to look ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:49 PM
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Agreed! I'm done with trying to adapt to Gen Z's ridiculous formless fashion trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:46 PM
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Tight pants never went out of style in the goth scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:43 PM

Are you gay or bi?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:10 AM

I am so lucky to have the wife I have. She is amazing. We've had our quarrels over certain day-to-day things, but she is the best wife ever, and I love her to death. She's a fucking queen. Not to mention that I think she is still gorgeous after nearly 15 years together (and I admitted to her about two years ago that I was afraid I might lose attraction to her because of the age difference and was happy to report that that did not happen at all).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:57 AM

Probably because she was a professor, so she at least had to be in her late twenties? Oh, and one last detail from the big goth event where I met her in person. She says that when she first saw me in real life, she thought I was so handsome that she immediately felt like my ex was an idiot for cheating on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:54 AM

And she was so pissed in February 2012 when I answered the phone at my future wife's house, causing her to realize we were living together. She complained to my now wife that there wasn't any trust anymore, with my wife telling her that she had no moral authority to be talking about trust after what she did to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:51 AM

Let me try to provide a clearer timeline: July-August 2011 - Long-distance ex introduces me to her professor, my future wife, through MSN Messenger September 2011 - I buy my plane ticket, but my ex immediately turns weirdly cold, so I get our mutual friends to investigate to confirm what I believed (i.e., that she was cheating) Mid-October 2011 - I arrive in my ex's country Late-October 2011 - There is a big event in the local goth scene there, where my ex, my future wife, and another woman I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:45 AM

On the night we first kissed, I was 24 and she was 31. My ex was about six months younger than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:37 AM

Also, I found out from my aunt yesterday that my great uncle was kind of a cuck. I knew his wife had a drinking problem. I didn't know that she would sometimes disappear for a whole weekend while leaving him with the kids. And I especially didn't know that "his" last child was considered to look different enough from him that everyone of my mother's and grandmother's generation considered it an open secret that she was not biologically his.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:35 AM

I just remember "Get an Ugly Girl to Marry You" by Jimmy Soul playing in the TV trailer and thinking it sounded so fucking funny as a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:31 AM

We met online first a few months before the above events, through my long-distance ex-girlfriend, who was the student of my now wife at the college where she taught. However, despite ex being my future wife's student, they were only eight years apart in age (indeed, my wife tells me that, on the first day of class, she got dirty looks from the students when she sat at the teacher's desk, who thought she was a classmate trying to be funny until she stood up and gave the class). Ex GF actually int…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:28 AM

I don't know what I am. My now wife invited me to hang out at her house. I honestly thought she just saw me as a friend, and I really wasn't expecting things to get sexual. We were drinking lots of wine, however, and that was always part of the plan. Later on, she suddenly decides to start removing my blackheads from my face. I ask her if she did that to all her male friends, and she said, no, just her ex-boyfriend and her brother. Years later, she admitted it was an excuse to rub her boobs agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:00 AM

Thanks a lot. I'm autistic too. I think it comes more from my dad's side, since there are so many vaguely autistic people among my cousins, as well as at least one of his siblings (my aunts and uncles), and I would argue his aunt (my great aunt), who had this all-consuming obsession with family genealogy spanning more than 30 years by the time she died; she printed out and saved every single email, certified copy, and other correspondence related to this passion of hers, totaling around 6400 pag…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:55 AM

Yeah, reacting to reacting, so lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:50 PM

That's a funny thought. He was a weird guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:49 PM

Yeah, I lost my mom about six years ago, so I know how you feel. I can understand you wanting to call him. I'm sure his surviving essence is very proud of you!! In my case, my mom missed the birth of her only grandson so far by just under three years. My dad already had two grandkids through a son he had before he met my mom, but my mom had no grandkids when she was alive. She was always dropping hints about when my wife and I were going to have a kid, so I can tell that she was craving being a …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:48 PM

Thanks! You are very kind. Now that I know you care, I will post periodic updates on how it's going. I might do some more exercise later.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:22 PM
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Being forced to have sex is the unsexiest sex in existence. And for everyone. I wouldn't want that. That's why I feel like married couples should engage in regular scheduled nude cuddling without a goal in mind (even though sex can happen if it arises naturally) to maintain the spark and tenderness in a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:37 PM
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Agree. In that subgenre, the exaggerated gender polarity of the co-vocalists is the entire distinguishing factor. Outside that one exception, I don't see any reason why men and women can't sing in the same subgenres.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:35 PM

Thanks! I want to look hot for my wife by the end of the summer at least, so I am taking the distraction-free time I am away from her and my son at my father's place to get a head start on that. I have to go back next week, but I think I will have the start of a good habit (we have an elliptical at our house too).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:33 PM
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I'm not saying it's a good thing to leave no room for flexibility, but if someone signed onto it...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:29 PM
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I agree that it is not a good thing to agree to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:28 PM
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Remember "Semi-Charmed Life," Third Eye Blind's bouncy late-90s power pop song about having sex on crystal meth?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:27 PM
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Well, beauty and the beast metal is kind of a sub-genre of metal, with a melodious female singer and a growly male singer providing complementary but contrasting vocals. Think Theatre of Tragedy and Sins of Thy Beloved. Other than that, I don't consider female vocals a separate subgenre. Cadaveria of Opera IX did raspy black metal vocals as well as any man, and there are several good power metal bands with female singers like Sinergy, Nightwish, Dark Moor, Fairyland, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:16 PM
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I think the term is pre-agreed consent, not rape, in the case of OP's scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:08 PM
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Yeah, fuck the trends, I'm going to order a bunch of new pairs of skinny jeans when I go home. I didn't work to have thick, toned manlegs just to hide them under baggy fabric.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:02 PM

My wife and I were going to abort if he had DS.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:55 PM

My brother was nicknamed Hobbit in high school. Has never had trouble getting pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:55 PM

I've got a four-day streak burning 1100 calories per day on the elliptical!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:51 PM
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I think men actually have more emotional intelligence, because they actually have to work to understand women if they want to date them. Meanwhile, women are free to be tactless jerks and still find love.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:27 PM

I'm sure what they did wasn't fat shaming, but rather some other kind of mockery. That's why it was different.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:46 PM

E'erbody is the remedy and cause of everybody's issues. Enough of this bullshit division already that the elites want so that we destroy each other instead of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:59 PM

Thanks but no thanks. I don't think that's why. I was starting to get thinner by then. I'm sure it's because I was a bit autistic at the time and liked heavy music.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:57 PM
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Sincere. Why would you think otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:55 PM
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I sent a screenshot of my entire Reddit inbox to show that the warnings they thought they had sent me had never reached me. They didn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:55 PM

I'm sorry. I was fat in elementary school, and again for the first few years of high school. I was mocked for being fat too. However, it sounds like the effect on you was much more intense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:54 PM

I'm honestly surprised. When I'm fatshamed, I eat less, take a walk or get on the elliptical, and lift weights. And as I said, I don't respond well to negative motivation in literally any other area of life, which is why I have always believed that fatshaming is fundamentally different from other shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:21 PM
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I wonder what incivilities I've committed lately that I'm not being warned for but that mods think they've warned me for, only to be used for a future temp ban that I never saw coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:19 PM

Fatshaming worked for me. And I don't respond well to negative motivation in most areas, but this is different, so I think other should be able to understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:17 PM

It's not different when I do it, it's different because it's different, no matter who does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:16 PM
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And, are you going to take him up on the offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:12 PM

I was indeed 12 when this experience happened. How funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:49 AM

But I believe in fat shaming as a force for good, and without regard to gender. It is different because it's not discriminatory and it's meant to build people up rather than tear them down for things they can't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:48 AM
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All very interesting and all a bit scary. I have no idea what the future holds for us now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:40 AM
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Are nude cafes a thing in Thailand?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:39 AM
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Lately, I'm extremely inspired by videos popping up in my Facebook algorithm of frumpy and dumpy middle-aged women and men who made extreme lifestyle shifts towards a healthy diet and regular cardiovascular exercise and weight training, completely unleashing the hitherto unrecognizable MILF or silver fox within them. I'm in my late thirties and carrying a bit of extra weight (but not obese), so seeing these transformations make my own goal involving much more modest changes feel feasible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:17 AM
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Any recommendations for what online materials should be fed into the LLM to generate answers closer to the social norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:10 AM
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Regardless, I think that they tell us something real about society's gender double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:16 AM
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The one I'm married to certainly is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:11 AM
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That's so beautiful that I almost want to tear up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:10 AM
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And I grew up in the suburban Pacific Northwestern U.S., i.e., a place not particularly friendly to guns. I used to think owning guns was for trailer trash, but I've come around to the idea that being anti-gun is a liberal rather than leftist position that just further disempowers the working class. People should be allowed to defend their own home. Unfortunately, in Mexico, even when burglars break into houses, if you shoot the scum, the authorities start pearl-clutching about the potential vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:04 AM
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I (American) live in Mexico, where the right to bear arms is limited to the defense of one's own house. I keep telling my wife (Mexican) we should get one just in case, but she looks at me like I've grown horns every time I tell her that. We are both very leftist, so I think she associates owning guns with right-wing Americans. I always remind her that Karl Marx himself was a big supporter of the working class having the unrestricted right to bear arms, but that never seems to make a dent. EDIT:…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:46 AM
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But just as women get more negative attention, they also get more positive attention. Furthermore, the bigger the pool to filter out, the more likely that there are some gems among the dung.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:34 AM
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I've experienced this so hard. It's extremely unfair. Both sides should stop being so fucking selfish and adapt at least a certain degree to what their partner wants. But yeah, people who refuse to even consider what their partner wants should not be in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:26 AM

Women ignore men they're not interested in. Tell that to the female classmates who said "Ew!" when they saw me riding my bike in their neighborhood (I wasn't there because of them; many of my friends lived in that neighborhood, which was relatively far from my own). They're polite, they dont lead on a man theyre not attracted to. Ah yes, women never lead men on /s Are you even reading yourself? Also, I think both sexes could use a little bit more of a healthy dose of fat shaming in order to help…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:18 AM

Any idea how ar slash bald feels about scalp micropigmentation? I got that about 8 years ago. Best $1,000 I ever spent. I started quickly losing my hair around the age of 24, which was extremely traumatic. I feel like I never really got to live the second half of my twenties. Thanks to the scalp micropigmentation, I felt like I could show my head with dignity again. I think I'm due for a touch-up soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:12 AM

I agree that that is an unfair social standard, and you don't deserve to be subject to it, but it's not enforced by jail time, six-figure fines, beatdowns, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:08 AM
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I know I didn't phrase things as carefully as I should have, but really, I don't graphically visualize guys self-pleasuring. I think most guys feel a certain pride in knowing that their wife is desirable and that other men might envy them. That is what I was getting at. I don't see what's cucked about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:45 AM
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Nice try, but no.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:37 AM
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Why do you say that? I think the beginning of a cuckold fetish would be me pushing her to do things with other men. I'd say appreciating my wife being admired while only I get the goods is the opposite of a cuckold fetish. Other guys can look but not touch; they can appreciate her beauty, but make no mistake, she's mine and only mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:32 AM
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I'm very sorry, that's cruel. I feel like women would do that way less if the size of their vaginas was as visible as the size of a man's penis. However, the fact that they are shielded by the hiddenness of their genitals allows them to project a social fiction that all vaginas are the same size.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:25 AM
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You're raising more questions than you're answering, my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:19 AM
1

Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:11 AM

Be civil. Far more men fought for women's rights than women are fighting for men's rights now. Besides, nobody likes a ladder puller. You're also leaving out the fact that, because of chivalry, it was much easier for women to get men to help them than vice versa; men naturally want to help women and make them happy, and feminism played directly into this traditional dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:09 AM
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When you go far enough left, you get your guns back. Karl Marx was a better second amendment supporter than Ronald Reagan.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:31 AM

Is there no grade for behavior? Do you have to lower their grade in paper assignments to punish them for unrelated conduct? I've been an elementary teacher too, so I know what you're talking about; the modern primary education system is very poorly adapted to boys. In none of the countries where men are required to register for military service do women legally have to become parents; it's completely optional. I think the double standard is clear. Society enforces men's traditional gender roles …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:29 AM

I'm not happy to see their autonomy being taken away. I'm pro-abortion, check my flair. However, I think it's a natural consequence of men not having ever been given their reproductive rights, which weakened the possibility of united front. Up until just a few years before women got the right to vote, most women didn't want it. They were afraid that they would lose their traditional voice as a moral authority considered to be above the fray; paradoxically, it would have been kind of undemocratic…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:23 AM
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Nice. I love seeing my wife in skirts and dresses. I think she just looks so gorgeous and feminine in them, and I love how they frame the sway of her hips when she walks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:06 AM
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For me, the way the people applauded Charles Barkley when he threw an obnoxious male bar patron about a foot shorter than him out the window proves that the size difference justification was never sincere. Here we had a case of a man getting physically violent with another man whose size difference relative to him was even greater than the size difference between the average woman and the average man, and yet nobody expected Charles Barkley to refrain from violence the way that the average man i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:03 AM

All these issues are kept in check my men in power. They don’t seem to see the issues as you do. Whereas women have many women representatives for our rights. Thanks for admitting that there's no real patriarchy because male politicians don't have an in-group bias towards male voters. Meanwhile, Roe v. Wade was handed down by an all-male SCOTUS, and men ultimately gave women the right to vote, despite the fact that they would have lost nothing by not doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:51 AM
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I don't imagine them doing that. I only imagine or notice them noticing her, but I don't imagine what they do about that. Edit: For example, on a very nice vacation that my wife and I took about eight years ago, on our last night there, she wore a shorter sundress, and our waiter, a young college guy, was clearly a bit flustered when he saw her. I enjoy those reactions. Edit 2: When we got back to the Airbnb, we had some of the best sex ever. I think she had five or maybe even six orgasms before…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:28 AM
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Come on, I'm just saying what we're all thinking, just more frankly and honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:02 AM
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Preach. But could you elaborate on what you mean by pretty clothes?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:53 PM
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Well, it wasn't so much a false accusation as a false suspicion. At that point in the dream, there was a consensus that no rape had been committed by me, but the consensus ended at whether I would commit one in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:44 PM
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Am I the only guy here who actually likes it when his partner wears revealing clothes (provided that she's with me)? I see you guys talking about how you want your woman to wear modest clothes all the time, and here I am wishing my wife would put on that bum-hugging gray mini skirt with a hem falling about 5 inches above her knees (she's about 5 ft tall or 5 ft 1) so that I can delight in knowing the other guys are going home and jerking to the thought of her while I get to do her for real. Hell…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:42 PM
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Hehehe, maybe so. You made me laugh out loud. That is a very PPD-coded dream. I'm often naked in my dreams. It must be a testament to how often I feel embarrassment and awkwardness in my real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:36 PM
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The men's issues I'm talking about are not dating issues. I'm talking about things like men being more likely to be murdered, men being treated more harshly by the criminal justice system, men being forced to sign up for military service when women don't have to, men still being expected to be providers but we don't get housewives, men being stuck in a loop where the traditional expectations remain but the means with which to fulfill them are dwindling, boys getting lower grades for the same qua…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:00 PM
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I don't have an EU passport. I really don't think that's true. These were educated middle-class Mexicans who were doing fine where they were. I have a hypothesis that phenotypical difference can override the conventional 1-10 attractiveness scale. I know I saw this in Mexico from my perspective. There's this girl who was considered really ugly there, but I thought she looked interesting, and she gave me a handjob.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:35 PM
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Not if she spends some of it on me. 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:24 PM
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I had a weird dream the other day. There was a woman in the dream, and I kept creeping her out inadvertently. Then I went back to my house, and accidentally left my clothes there, so when I came out of the house, the woman saw me naked and screamed in terror, convinced I was going to rape her, so I ran away saying "I'm not going to do it, please, calm down. The fact you're chasing me shows you're not scared."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:22 PM
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MRAs are a small group because feminists insist on hogging the gender discourse and silencing MRAs at every turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:46 PM
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Of course they're allowed to talk about them, but they should let women define how that experience affected them instead of trying to impose on them a certain view. As much as I think it sucks that men's sexual victimization has such low awareness, I feel like there's been a silver lining in that men are more resilient when it does happen to them because they're not being told to treated as the worst possible trauma that could ever happen all the time. In a weird way, I feel like feminism contin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:45 PM
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I care about our issues. And since women are deemed to have more authority on gender issues for both sexes, women's refusal to normalize our issues by deeming them socially acceptable to address is really holding us back.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:41 PM
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Well then he can force everybody to stay in it, or he can create policies that are so attractive that men actually want to defend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:38 PM
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So by your logic, they didn't really care about voting, they just wanted to stick it to the black man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:37 PM
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There's nothing we can do about that. However, I haven't seen women be much more sympathetic to men's real social issues, which is weird, since women have brothers, dads, uncles, cousins, sons, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:32 PM
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I agree. I like skinny jeans because I've got some nice legs. They were what my wife was first attracted to in me. But in the name of "fashion" I guess I'm supposed to hide my best bodily feature.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:27 PM
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The point is that a big part of the fight for women's suffrage in the US came from well-to-do white women's outrage that black men got the vote before they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:22 PM
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I blame everyone responsible. For example, I think that Zelensky should be convicted of crimes against humanity against Ukrainian men in forcing them to stay in his death trap country.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:20 PM
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So women's suicide attempts matter more than men's suicide successes?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:17 PM
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Men helped women with their issues every step of the way. We just want the favor to be returned.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:16 PM

He also looks exactly like the kind of person you'd expect to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:05 PM

There's a reason it was the snake that tempted Eve.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:04 PM

Her face, her body type, etc. Basically, everything not under her control.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:49 PM
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I think some of that trauma has come precisely from feminist framing. I won't say her exact relationship to me to protect anonymity, but a woman very close to me in my life was molested by her uncle who was about 10 years older than her when she was in grade school. Obviously it was a very traumatic experience for her, but she has said that she feels that feminists have made it worse by constantly saying that it should be some big, horrible, scarring thing that ruins your life forever. She felt …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:47 PM

Her weight fluctuated a lot, but I don't think anybody has denied that her underlying features were always attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:41 PM

Agreed. The parts should be compatible for maximum pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:40 PM

So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:32 PM

I'm going for it anyway. I've gained weight. It sucks, but hey, at least she still likes the things I can't change (face and something else), so I do have an incentive to get fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:26 PM
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So what you don't see isn't happening, got it. I personally think there should just be one big blanket gender equality movement to fix everybody's issues all at once. No more divisions, no more fighting, just equality and justice for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:24 PM
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That's actually really sweet. What's such a kind person like you doing in this wretched hive of scum and villainy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:21 PM
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I am of mostly European descent, plus less than 10% Amerindian (no, this is not family lore about being descended from a Cherokee princess 200 years ago; my grandfather was legit mixed European and Native American and spent the first few years of his life on a reservation).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:14 PM

I know this is not the most noble of thoughts, but lately, I can't lie that I've been thinking to myself, I need to do enough exercise to again become hot enough that my wife doesn't berate me about messiness and that any such messiness doesn't cut into sex. Obviously I will try to be less messy, but I need a safety cushion for when I inevitably fail from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:12 PM

Wow, that is so degenerate and diseased.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:57 PM

Agreed. I just wish I had been raised to realize that at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:56 PM
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Yeah, I was really surprised how attractive I was considered in Mexico, since Mexican-American women never went for me before that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:53 PM
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I will feel less afraid when society at least acknowledges that, when it comes to allegations of any kind of sexually inappropriate behavior, women have the upper hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:47 PM
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And that's valid. However, imagine if a man said this: "I honestly don't like women very much ngl. I like my partner but she isn't like most women." I think he would be labeled a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:42 PM
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I'm sorry you get told that. Maybe I'm lucky, but I think I know from the receiving perspective how that feels. When my now wife first saw my dick, she gasped and said, "Se me antoja" (basically, "I crave that"), and she immediately followed by telling me I had a beautiful penis. I didn't have a job at the time, and she knew it. I hope all men get to experience being craved at least once in a lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:33 PM
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I have a reasonably happy marriage, but I feel deeply worried about the culture, especially as the father of a young son. I'm hoping we can start reversing the misandry trend over the next 15 years. By the way, good luck with your date!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:26 PM
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Just one. I wasn't really attracted to her anyway. We had arguments about the ethics of male circumcision.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:19 PM

Also, I felt I could not push this woman away because then I would be the bad guy. The moment a man is physically violent with a woman, any rational analysis of the context goes out the window. I thought I didn't have the privilege to push her away, and I still feel like I'd need to sort of wriggle out of the situation rather than actively displace her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:07 PM

know about the man’s oral hygiene. You mean like whether or not he has HSV1? And yeah, that's all very sensible. To this day, I feel lucky I didn't get oral herpes from that stank ass assaulter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:02 PM

At least at the clubs I went to, if a woman said a guy sexually assaulted her, he would be ejected without question and banned unless he could somehow prove she was lying. Maybe that's only reflective of the goth clubs I used to go to. I don't know what they do in normie clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:55 PM
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And I don't even watch porn. I'd feel as if I were betraying my wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:47 PM

Thanks for answering. I just got downvoted, and I'm frankly not sure why when I disclosed upfront the context of my question for transparency and to show that it's not a "gotcha." I can't blame you for not being sure what to do, since I certainly wasn't sure. However, that said, I think bouncers would take your complaint more seriously than mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:45 PM

Ladies, if a man backed you into a corner at a club and started tongue kissing you without your consent, a) what would you label this act, and b) what would you do about it? This happened to me about 15 years ago, with the sexes reversed. At the time, I labeled it aggressive flirting and did nothing, even though I did feel very violated. If it happened to me now, I would label it sexual assault and I would at least tell the bouncers to kick her out, not giving a damn if they laughed at me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:33 PM
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Men are the biggest sexual predators. I wish I could find the study from a while ago where it showed that women engage in sexual harassment just as much as men, but that when they do it, it's not seen as harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:29 PM
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She can overpower you legally or reputationally even if not physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:27 PM

I agree, and as I said, I'm completely pro-choice. Still, it's weird that some PPD women say sex is unimportant when it's obviously important to the millions of women who require an abortion as a result of consensual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:21 PM

I see your point, but both single and partnered women end up needing abortions, something that wouldn't happen to them (save for rape) if sex were not important to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:19 PM

Some people here will say that sex is not very important, but at the same time, they'll treat outlawing abortion as a serious human rights violation (even if there's an exception for rape). I just don't see how these can go together. If sex is so unimportant, then women can just abstain and not worry about whether abortion is legal or not, right? I think sex is important, and I think abortion should be legal, so I'm consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:37 AM
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Why would I when the problem isn't that I don't desire her enough, but that I desire too much? It's the same concept behind thinking about baseball to delay orgasm. I would feel guilty thinking about other desirable women, but not things to help me hold on longer. That said, there are some beautiful times where I'm super relaxed and somehow I don't feel I'm going to automatically blow my load.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:22 AM
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If men had to choose between: a) being raped with a promise of finding true love within two years, and b) never being raped but never having consensual sex either, let alone a love relationship, I honestly think most would choose a). Rape sucks of course, no doubt, but it's time-limited, unlike lifelong loneliness and lovelessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:06 PM
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So you're okay with banning abortion? After all, what's the problem with banning abortion if the way to prevent pregnancy is just to abstain from an activity that isn't that important according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:59 PM
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I'm sorry you felt that way. I honestly don't understand why you'd think that when men sexually assaulting women is considered so heinous that a lot of people think rape (at least when done to women by men) is worse than murder. But that doesn't diminish my sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:42 PM
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When my wife is riding me, I'm also working hard to make sure that I don't cum, and I synchronize my thrusts with her riding to make it even more pleasurable for her. She also has the privilege of being able to be more in the moment, whilst I am sometimes forced to think sexually disgusting thoughts (such as fat naked men rubbing against each other in olive oil). I don't think it's better or worse, it's just a question of trade-offs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:41 PM
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He actively thrusts to jizz. How many women actively ride that rocket deep into their fornices until it sends them to the moon and back multiple times? My wife does, and thanks to that, the orgasm gap in my marriage is irretrievably in her favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:08 PM
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I was sexually assaulted and never reported it because I thought it was just aggressive flirting (I'm lucky I didn't get oral herpes).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:04 PM
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Well yeah, since men die younger than women in general, women who actually like men and marry them will feel broken-hearted in the likely event that their husbands predecease them and probably have less impetus to go on living than women who never had a love to lose. The solution to this is to improve men's health so that both sexes have the same life expectancy. Considering that women are less likely to be charged in the first place, there's a huge selection bias. If a man cornered you in a clu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:03 PM

So you're in agreement?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:44 PM
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Be civil. Your point doesn't remain. We can't expect men to handle female bluntness while also insisting on preserving "women are wonderful" narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:38 PM
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Despite the fact that men are more egalitarian than ever in terms of childcare, chores, accepting women working, etc., men seem to be hated more than ever. The only reason I can think of for this mismatch is the steady diet of misandrist propaganda that the average young Western woman is force-fed on a daily basis. There was a period from about 1980 to 2012 where both traditional propaganda and misandrist propaganda were low, and people coupled up well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:35 PM

I find it hard to read positively because I always see it in the context of "men suck, and now we can just discard them forever" and never "now I can marry the man I love without caring how much he earns because I have my own money." In other words, subtext always seems to be "men have no inherent value," not "men are wonderful, and now we can enjoy them for who they are instead of what they provide."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:18 PM
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Out of envy, not disdain. The poor mock the rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:53 AM
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Are we going to act as if those things are at all as mainstream and acceptable as the "men are bad" discourse?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:05 AM
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And what if paradoxically seeing prostitutes allowed him to overcome his desperation so that he would have some idea of what he was doing when he got his first free sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:29 AM
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I think feminine men are hated because they are seen as usurping a privilege that does not belong to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:23 AM
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It's not perceived as inferior, it's perceived as the sole privilege of women. See my analogy with medieval sumptuary laws under the Auto mod comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:22 AM
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It's like medieval sumptuary laws that forbade prosperous trades people from dressing like nobles. Men are not supposed to dress like women because it's seen as usurping a privilege that exclusively belongs to women. We can even take this analogy further with the fact that nobles, like women today, were the ones allowed to wear clothing that was ornamental and not just purely functional.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:20 AM
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There's real power in denying one has power when that power is plausibly deniable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:15 AM
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So we have to wait until we're in camps before we can start pushing back against clearly harmful, dehumanizing rhetoric?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:05 AM
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And you don't think that women are complicit in maintaining the narrative that they are the nice sex, given the social power that comes with being perceived as having greater moral authority?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:00 AM
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I think that's because we were socialized to believe that women are the nice sex, so when women don't perform that role, there's an element of surprise that makes it more brutal. If society were more honest and didn't insist on maintaining the facade of sugar, spice, and everything nice, I think men would take women being tactlessly hurtful better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:58 AM
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Honest question, how is it that you were able to go from big dicks to no dicks, but big dicks to smaller dicks couldn't work for you? Also, as a bi woman, do you think you're more able to be attracted to a man who's not conventionally masculine than a straight woman (since you're obviously attracted to both masculinity and femininity on some level, i.e., polarity's okay for you but not necessary).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:55 AM
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Judgment? I'm saying it's beautiful bread.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:16 PM
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I haven't lived there in 15 years. I visit occasionally. I will visit next week.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:14 PM
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I saw plenty of obviously ethnic German men who were my size or shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:14 PM
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That's some nice looking bread! Are you European?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:11 AM
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Also, I saw plenty of young guys who were shorter than me with girlfriends (and no, they weren't all immigrants from shorter countries). Makes me wonder if the obsession with men being a certain height is a purely American affliction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:10 AM
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I thought I would be tiny in Europe as a 5'7" man, but I was pleasantly surprised by the number of men in Spain and Germany whom I've heightmogged. Only in the Netherlands did I feel that my height was noticeably outside the normal range.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:28 AM
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I think they aren't that easy to spot, but women need to be honest about that instead of claiming superior feminine intuition. Guys are usually honest about finding women hard to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:25 AM

Not because men are bad but because most human beings have a tendency to be ungrateful or take for granted the people who do work that doesn't being in money. I think you're underestimating women's capability of being ungrateful for and taking for granted men's work that brings in money, even when he thanks her profusely for her domestic work. If a man ever asks his wife to be grateful for the roof of her head that he provides, even if it's only once or during an argument, he is not a good husba…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:27 AM
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I think the compromise should be that, if women can abort, men should be able to legally surrender paternal rights and obligations during a slightly shorter time. That would create the kind of buy-in that would make reproductive rights stable. However, most feminists today seem to reject reciprocity on this matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:13 AM
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What if the fetus has Down's syndrome?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:04 AM
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Yeah, I don't understand that. I take pride in lasting long enough to give my woman at least two orgasms whenever we have sex. I take pride in the massive orgasm gap in her favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:28 PM
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He holds you, he loves you, he makes a colossal effort not to cum too quickly so you can ride him to the finish line (potentially multiple times!).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:29 AM
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You've never strained to avoid jizzing so that she could ride you to the finish line? You've never imagined fat sweaty men rubbing against each other to avoid passing the point of no return (while also trying not to think so hard about those porkers that you lose your hard-on)? There is real mental effort from the guy even when she's on top, and that effort is a true act of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:27 AM
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Trust me, even if you're on top, the man is making a herculean effort not to cum and to hang on until you've gotten your fill.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:23 AM
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What do you hope to gain with that obvious falsehood?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:46 AM
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Interesting. I always forget that there is a talking stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:03 PM

I can't believe I have to do this when they're right in front of you but here it goes: - lack of legal protection against infant genital mutilation - harsher sentences for the same crimes (indeed, worst treatment at every stage of the criminal justice system) - lower college admissions (indeed, men are now where women were in the late 1950s) - lower grades with the same quality of work - being treated as disposable - mandatory military registration in most countries - being more likely to be sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:29 PM

But you strongly leaned into the idea that misandry is almost always due to valid reasons while misogyny is rarely so. That is what I object to. You may explicitly say that you don't think misandry or misogyny is okay, and I believe that you believe that, but the rest of your discourse strongly tends towards justifying misandry, or at least minimizing it. Besides, the same people who think that misandry is no big deal think that even the most minor instances of misogyny need to be rooted out as …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:22 PM

I don't remember what I said, but you're not paying attention if you think men don't have systemic issues. It's pretty clear that gender privilege and oppression are bidirectional unlike privilege and oppression along other axes such as wealth, class, certain ethnic divisions, looks, first world versus third world, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:11 PM

And ironically, denial of misandry is a type of misandry. It's an invalidation of the social ills we suffer from.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:05 PM

Misandry leads to violence too. Think about how the IDF was told to treat all males from 0 to 100 as combatants. Remember also that women are the main perpetrators of one-way domestic violence. Also, you're being very reductive when you say it's all about sex. It's really not. I'm happily married, but I have had negative experiences with women, such as being cheated on and gaslighted, and having lies told about me to make me look crazy. When you say that men only hate women because they don't gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:04 PM

Yeah, I disagree with that. In the not-so-distant past, fathers hardly spent any time with their kids, who were raised mainly by their mothers and female teachers. Those women could have collectively revolutionized the gender roles of the next generation with the immense power that came with primary access to children, yet they chose not to. That for me is a big argument against the idea that society was created exclusively for men and by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:24 PM

Why do we collectively accept "bad experiences with the opposite sex" as justification for misandry so much more than for misogyny? When men turn their relationships that didn't work out into misogyny, they rightly get pushback and are told to get the fuck over themselves, but I don't see the same towards their female counterparts (which frankly is low-key misogynistic, since it betrays a lower standard of emotional maturity for women than for men). I don't get it. It should be the same standard…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:14 PM

Before. I was very unmuscular when we met, but her background is more working class (despite her college degrees and that of her father), so I've had to do manual labor that I never expected I'd have to do If I married someone with her education level.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:03 PM
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🍿🍿🍿
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:47 PM

I'm a lefty who's not a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:42 PM

I'm 5'7", and my wife gets thirstier when my arms are buffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:41 PM

I don't think so, but I do think that the younger generations are being socialized in a way that is conducive to stunted empathy towards men. I'm hoping there will be a course-correction in the raising of the girls who will become the women my son has to deal with if he wants hetero love.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:40 PM
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To those here who would call themselves size queens: are there any actions you take to check if the goods meet your specs before things have escalated too far to back out gracefully? If yes, what are they? EDIT: Would you say that grinding at clubs developed in part as a size-checking ritual?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:29 PM
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That's what I've been saying. Funny how no one gives you backlash when you say it. I wonder why...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:03 PM
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The default is that you live your family unless they do something unusually heinous to merit the contrary. Also, husbands don't (or shouldn't) share DNA with her.
/r/MensRights21/05/26 02:31 AM
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Why shouldn't they have a positive view of their fathers, brothers, uncles, husbands, sons, nephews, etc.?
/r/MensRights21/05/26 02:24 AM

Even women know the importance of sex, otherwise we wouldn't have had massive anti-slut shaming campaigns a few decades ago. We wouldn't have had a whole sexual revolution leading to their complete sexual freedom. If sex weren't important, none of this would've mattered. Not to mention that the overturning of Roe v. Wade would have been met with a collective "meh" if most women were as uninterested in sex as some PPD women claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:03 AM

Yeah, I was embarrassed while I was serving my ban, but I feel better seeing that I'm far from alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:53 PM
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I guess my penis is more like a vagina than most penises 🤷🏻‍♂️ I really don't understand guys claiming that they've fucked ugly girls. If I can get hard with a woman, she is by definition attractive and not ugly to me, and if she's ugly, I can't get hard with her. My dick is a perfect barometer of the physical side of datability.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:20 PM

I feel kind of relieved to know that it happened to you, not because I want you to be arbitrarily punished, but because it's a sign that I probably wasn't targeted for my views (which was what I was fearing), since you list yourself as blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:29 PM

That's not how I understood it in the chat with the currently anonymous mod. But okay, I'll take it like that, and I will be a good boy, even as I continue to be uncompromising in my beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:25 PM

I won't pretend I acted like a choir boy, but people seem not to get banned for saying things to me that are much uglier than anything I ever said to anyone. From now on, to create balance in the universe, I think I will be a reporting hawk.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:23 PM

I commiserate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:41 PM

You've already been there?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:33 PM

Link?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:21 PM

Made a comment questioning who and what someone said they were, which was deemed an act of incivility. Don't do that, that's very bad. I was also told I had been previously warned twice for incivility within the past four months, even though those warnings never reached my inbox. I mention that as a public service announcement to be careful, since anyone here could be on thin ice without knowing it. I was told that warnings are only given as a courtesy, so they were unmoved by my proof that I ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:17 PM

Hello everybody! I'm back from 3 days in PPD jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:03 PM
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I don't spend much time with men under 30 these days, let alone under 25, but I serenely doubt the guys you've brought up to claim young men are irredeemable shitheads represent anything more than a loud minority of edgelords.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:01 PM

That's something completely controllable. I'd shave my hairy body if my wife asked me to, no questions asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:55 PM

That must be why women in the West have more rights than their male counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:51 PM

I once was treated by a female doctor who didn't know what the foreskin was (she thought it was the urinary meatus, i.e., the "lips" of the head of the penis).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:49 PM

I tried having sex with women I wasn't attracted to, but I couldn't get it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:40 PM

Men will fuck women they don’t like who they’re not attracted to. By definition, if he can get it up, he's attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:18 PM

Be entirely evaluated on looks according to the simple standard of don't be fat (the part you missed in the very worst case scenario) like women are? Sign me right the fuck up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:17 PM

I think it's a grass is greener thing. If a wizard went to an incel man and told him, "You get one of two options: a) get raped (with the promise you won't be forced to pay child support if your rapist is female) but be guaranteed to meet your soulmate within 5 years, or b) never get raped but never find love or sex, ever," I think the vast majority would choose option A.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:10 PM

I think it would be easier to be a passing trans woman, since a non-passing trans woman will just be read as a deviant cis man anyway. Most transphobia is really directed at trans women, and it's based almost entirely on the fact that they were born biologically male. No one cares about trans men using men's bathrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:51 AM
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Still feels rather than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:47 AM
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I am 5'7" with a 7.5 incher, and I'd much rather continue to be that than be tall but small. Yes, I know that fewer women would initially select me, but I know that things can only go up once I have been selected. I'm basically a satyr.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:49 AM
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I don't know who's selling you that idea. It's certainly not us men on the ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:53 AM
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Men are kinder and more egalitarian than they've ever been. As far as I'm concerned, however much women hated men just on the eve of women getting the right to vote, that should be the maximum they're allowed to hate men now. And the fact that women hate men more now than at that time shows that this hatred is not organic. Do you think you're so special that men haven't had negative experiences with you women? Of course we have. The difference is that we actually took to heart that it's not righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:50 AM
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Such a documentary would never be allowed to get made, because it would be considered misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:40 AM
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I think we need to go back to the beautiful ancient Roman and ancient Japanese tradition of having giant phallus figures everywhere. The penis has been overly villainized in recent times, and I think a little bit of society-wide exposure therapy would be excellent to stop half the population's genitals being widely considered shameful and evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:31 AM
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How do we know it's not the opposite, i.e., that all the anti-male propaganda with which women have been bombarded in recent years has caused them to underestimate the good things men do and overestimate the bad? You have to remember, the elites want us fighting each other so that we don't attack them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:23 AM
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Ladies, all other things being equal, what would you prefer: a. A 5'7" man with a 7" penis; or b. A 6'3" man with a 4" penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:09 AM

What they don't realize is that the same invisibility that makes men (or perhaps just average man and below) less likely to be sexually harassed also makes them less likely to meet their soulmate. I think if more women realized that these two things are two sides of the same coin, and that invisibility means losing the positive attention to the same extent as the negative attention, they would be much less likely to envy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:05 AM
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I'm talking about someone who likes the music and the fashion and the aesthetics and actively participates in the subculture.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 12:57 AM
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Dick size should not be considered a looks topic unless we're talking about the aspects of it that a blind woman can't experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:26 PM

I think gender dysphoria is mostly inborn. However, I think we need to consider that some people transition for reasons other than gender dysphoria.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:42 PM

I give each individual trans person the benefit of the doubt that they really do feel they have gender dysphoria. However, on the macro level, I think we need to seriously consider the proposition that more people wanting to be female means that we are now in a society where women have it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:39 PM

So I have no reason to believe that with my genetics, a woman would be balding and ugly. Men only get taken seriously when they are tall and NT. Being a woman would be an upgrade for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:59 PM

You said assaults, not sexual assaults. Besides, men often don't report. I didn't report the woman who cornered me and shoved her tongue down my throat at a club.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:46 PM

I have no reason to, my mom was beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:43 PM

Given that men are subjected to more violent crime than women are, I'm not sure that's a rational fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:43 PM

When women imagine life as a man, I feel like they are imagining the men they want to bone, not their brothers, fathers, uncles, cousins, etc. (i.e., the men who actually share their genetics). EDIT: Meanwhile, my mom in her prime legit looked like a mix of Suzanne Pleshette and Sophia Loren.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:31 PM

I would definitely be reborn as a woman. Women are the majority of my chosen field, but is anyone trying to make it more welcoming to men to achieve parity? No, instead, we get insensitive blog posts about how women supposedly do it better. I'd love to get more empathy, lower sentences for the same crimes, actual legal protection for the integrity of my genitals, a longer life, a lower retirement age in some countries, no mandatory military registration in most countries (but I still get the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 05:21 PM

I've not seen any more sympathy for the issues I've linked than for sexlessness, so I am skeptical.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:47 PM

Ah yeah, Margaret Thatcher was so wonderful, and Hillary would have been way better on workers' rights than Bernie, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:39 PM

Men are forced to pay child support even if we are raped. There is no state where we can legally surrender paternity if we don't want to be parents and the woman unilaterally decides to bring the child into the world. If abortion is not murder, then legally surrendering paternity in the same limited period can't be called abandonment. You can't say it's a fetus/embryo for you, but a child for him at, let's say, 10-15 weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:38 PM

Seriously though, since women are seen to have more authority on gender issues as a form of testimonial injustice, when women speak out about men's issues (e.g., https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1teuqh9/comment/om5ltgv/?context=3), they are taken more seriously. When men speak up about men's issues, we're just "whiners," but when women do it, people's ears prick up and they listen. Don't you want your brothers, father, uncles, male cousins, nephews, etc., to be free from these i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:35 PM
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Do goths use dating apps? I've never seen anyone share a gothic dating profile for either a man or a woman. I suspect they're still meeting each other in the spooky clubs for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:32 PM

Oh yes anti abortion is definitely due to not respecting men? And not just men wanting to put us back in our place by oppressing and controlling us? Proved my point there and you wonder why it’s a “main struggle” for you if that’s what you truly think. I think that, if feminists had returned the favor and fought for men's reproductive rights as a thank-you for everything men did to get you ladies your reproductive rights, we would have had a united front against the stripping of reproductive rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:29 PM

Men are supposed to care that women are being oppressed and being dehumanised (see new anti abortion laws in most USA states now?). That sucks indeed, and I never wanted it to happen. That said, you still have 33 states where women have reproductive rights. Men have zero. I'm still waiting for the empathy to be reciprocated.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:28 PM

Not true. Mandatory military registration, lack of legal protection for male genital integrity, higher sentences for the same crimes, being murdered and treated violently more often, biased custody policies, dying sooner (with later retirement in many countries, burning our late-life enjoyment candle at both ends), less empathy, rape not being considered rape if done with a vagina, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:26 PM

So you're admitting that men in power benefit women more than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:21 PM
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I'm feeling called out. I've been married for almost 12 years. Still, is meeting people within shared subcultural spaces really not a thing anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:17 PM

Hell, wanting the right to vote only became a majority opinion among women just a few years before they got it in the US. Before then, it would have paradoxically been undemocratic to give it to them!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:07 PM

So you would just close it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:24 PM

I want to make us still somewhat recognizable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:24 PM
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I'm sorry, I don't quite follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:46 AM
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Any ideas of where you'd like to look for one? Or put another way what are some shared interests that you think would be a nice starting point?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:46 AM
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I feel like pissing is enough beautiful imperfection for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:40 AM
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Well, to be fair, you don't need a foreskin for it. You've still got a glans after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:37 AM
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It came about when I was in my late teens or early twenties, disgusted by people who were way too frank about their defecation, thinking about how I didn't want to hear about it and that there is a good reason why we humans have attempt to wall off this undignified and shameful act. So I thought, what if our species could be modified so that these uncouth creatures could not be so fetidly frank even if they wanted to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:36 AM
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What, have you seen what she looks like? Those are some very urinary-meatus-looking lips!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:32 AM
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Also, am I the only guy here who, as a kid, used to pull back my foreskin, see my glans penis, and think "That looks like Janice from the Muppets!"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:28 AM
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I think the fact that humans defecate is the greatest proof of our fallen nature. It's so disgusting, and it truly attests to how far we are from the divine. If I could remake humans to my liking, the first thing I do would be to eliminate shitting, with all solid food becoming so thoroughly digested that it would be converted to liquid and urinated out, with a vestigial anus being left merely for fucking or massaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:20 AM
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No, I won't, because I'm basically that man. Never been interested in getting feces on my dick anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:16 AM
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Doesn't sound like the worst thing as long as you got to fuck around on the side too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:41 PM
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I see. I thought it had to do with not having to worry about raising another woman's kid, and a sense that he must have really good genes if other women want him (as his cheating proves).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:38 PM
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Ah, I see. I met my wife in the very early 2010s, just before online dating took off, so I feel like I just dodged today's dating status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:57 PM
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So, like the "confirmed bachelor" of the Victorian era?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:34 PM
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That's interesting, and I apologize if I seemed insensitive or leaning into comphet. Would you say that Northern Ireland is more conservative than the rest of the UK? Outside Northern Ireland, most of what we think we know about it concerns the Troubles, Bobby Sands, sectarian violence, etc. I understand (or hope) that things are a little more peaceful now, but I can imagine that that backdrop of polarization led people to identify more strongly with their religious beliefs and perhaps to adopt …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:32 PM
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I'm glad I could help. Can you clarify what you mean by "wild juxtaposition"? I'm perfectly happy to answer you, but I feel like there are so many elements juxtaposed that I want to know specifically which ones you're referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:29 PM
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My apologies. I did not pay attention to your flair and screen name, so I thought you were the first person I was responding to (i.e., a gay man).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:26 PM
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I know that the law in Northern Ireland sometimes differs from the rest of the UK. Did you guys get civil unions at the same time they were legalized in the rest of the UK in the 2000s? Yeah, I can understand why you wouldn't be able to picture yourself with a wife. However, as a kid, did you ever imagine yourself with a husband, whether in a legal sense or a social sense? EDIT: I did not pay attention to your screen name and flair, sorry for being a dumbass.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:20 PM
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Did you see gay marriage as a het imposition on homosexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:08 PM
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I did. As blew up in another thread, I found out that my dad did some cheating in my childhood and adolescence before he and my mom went to therapy to deal with my dad's passive-aggressiveness and my mom's rage, but they hid it well, to the point I didn't know until years after my mom was dead. As far as I could tell, they were a perfectly normal, happily married couple. So yes, I thought marriage was a given. I think I also thought that being able to have the same trappings of middle class stab…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:49 PM
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I recently saw a video where a woman was saying that it was the IDF's policy to treat every single Palestinian male from infancy to old age as a combatant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 06:43 PM
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Yeah, that's wrong and warped for sure. However, I don't think my very educated, very feminist mom thought like that. They were barely religious until my brother and I were born, so they panicked and thought we needed religious instruction in order to be ethical beings or something. I found it veeeery insulting. They were both very pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage, so I can't see why they would have been against divorce in case of infidelity. They were not traditionalist Catholics at all. EDIT:…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:33 PM
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I suspect that's true, and I wonder if that's driving so much of women's supposed lack of attraction to men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:13 PM
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Telling you about men doesn't mean hating them. I was told about women too, from my mom and grandma. Were they internalized misogynists?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:02 PM
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I'm sorry your grandfather was a pervert, but with all due respect, he was an outlier. EDIT: In turn, when my grandfather found out that his brother had made a pass at my aunt (my grandfather's adopted daughter), he called him and said "You're no brother of mine!" and cut off all contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:01 PM
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We already did at least 40 years ago. My mom was an independent woman when she met my dad in the 1980s. The hate propaganda of the last 15 years is something else entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:55 PM
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I didn't watch porn! I used my own mind entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:54 PM
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Thank you, kind soul.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:54 PM
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Fuck off. At the time, there was no information. In the mid 2000s, I tried to get information about whether that could affect libido, and everything I read said no, leaving me to believe that something was inherently wrong with me. The whole medical establishment was gaslighting young men about this. When I finally learned that it's a 90 day withdrawal process that doesn't have linear improvement at first as the dopamine receptors return to baseline, everything fell into place.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:53 PM
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I'm not, but warning doesn't mean hate. Warning doesn't mean thinking a whole group of people are awful, as you insinuate. However, according to you, my grandma was an internalized misogynist, right? You can give advice about what to look out for without hating a whole-ass sex. That is what I am trying to communicate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:50 PM
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Sex is its own reward. It's a beautiful activity of love and bonding between two people who love each other. And most women wouldn't want men around if sex wasn't on the table. If women were as asexual as you claim, there wouldn't be so many single mothers, and I wouldn't have been cheated on when my libido was shot from overmasturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:47 PM
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I was, because the medical establishment lied that this would never cause that, so I thought something was inherently wrong with me. It's kind of an assholish move to laugh at what I suffered. It took having to find an account of someone who had gone through what I went through to realize that I wasn't inherently broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:45 PM
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You didn't answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:43 PM
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You're clearly not thinking things through if you think that all those details bespeak women who thought men were awful. The first grandma did warn me about women who might just want to use me, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:41 PM
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Nothing snide about it. I know how rare awareness of this issue is, so I tend to bring it up when it seems that someone might not be experiencing arousal at full capacity. I thought I was asexual for a time too. I was close to suicide. Rebooting saved my life. I know that people are so used to people being bad faith on the internet that genuine concern is taken with suspicion, but trust me, I'm not being bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:36 PM
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What? I am just happy to share what worked for me. No one should have to suffer in silence like I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:33 PM
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That certainly wasn't the case with the women who cheated on me during that dark time when I was struggling to get hard due to overmasturbation. Maybe you're dealing with diminished arousal from overmasturbation too and a reboot could help you get your libido back.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:30 PM
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Would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:22 PM
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It feels like the air we breathe now, to be honest. It's extremely acceptable to talk shit about men, and men are considered the bad guys for objecting to it, i.e., the inverse of any other immutable group being subjected to bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:18 PM
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I lived with one of my grandmothers. Her love and missing of my grandfather was palpable throughout her life. She wore a locket with a picture of them when they were young, and she begged to have her remains shipped back to the other side of the country so that she could be buried with him. I was her favorite grandchild, by the way. And my other grandmother, when she was old and senile, would dream about being reunited with my grandfather, and this was reported by my very feminist, man-hatey cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:11 PM
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Being bombarded with misandrist propaganda, for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:05 PM
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Have you thought of becoming a PIV orgasm coach? I bet there's a market for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:03 PM
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My grandmothers loved their husbands very much and were devastated to be widowed. I suppose it says something about the quality of men in your family, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:00 PM
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I think we'll see what happens when women today get to their 60s and 70s (i.e., when every vestige of their fertility-signaling traits are gone). Around that age, women essentially become like average men, i.e., having no sex appeal and having to carry everything based on personality and skills. Until we get to that point, we can't really know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:58 PM
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Fair enough. I guess I'm just lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:52 PM
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I just know what has worked in my love life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:49 PM
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Yeah, it feels very foot-stompy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:47 PM
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women are economically independent now They were financially independent decades ago. Women randomly deciding that men are awful is a phenomenon barely over a decade old.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:44 PM
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But what if they "can't" from PIV because they've just never found their mirror image dick that would take them to paradise?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:42 PM
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Or making an effort to ride their way to orgasm instead of being pillow princesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:42 PM
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No, but it's very cool when both cum from the same act.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:38 PM
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We're seeing the fruits of the ugly transactionalization of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:38 PM
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I honestly think a big part of the orgasm gap is that, because women's genitalia is internal, it's hard to gauge what kind of penis a given woman needs in order to perfectly hit her walls in all the right ways. In my marriage, there's an orgasm gap, but I think my wife would be very irate if I suggested letting me catch up with her. And I don't think I'm some sex god; I think our bodies are just very compatible with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:36 PM
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Haha, yes. Also weird is this idea that I had some obligation to protect my mom from my dad's cheating (I was a minor when he last cheated), especially given that a) I didn't even know about the cheating until six years after she was dead; and, b) During the last year of her life, my mom lied to my wife and me that my dad had never cheated (and that she would have left him if he had). I was very surprised to learn that he had cheated, since he has always had very scrupulous Catholic guilt in mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:28 PM
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I have the same approach as you. Why do you personally think women are more forgiving than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:12 PM
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I don't think I would, but it's certainly more potentially forgivable than having another man's dick in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:09 PM
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And what determines whether you would or wouldn't. Also, are you male or female?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:08 PM
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And as for the possibility of a gender-based difference, I thought maybe women were more okay with men cheating than vice-versa because: a) if he knocks up another woman, there's no risk of his primary partner being involuntarily made legally responsible for the illegitimate child; and, b) since women seem to have pre-selection as a much bigger part of their attraction factors than men, I thought some women might feel tension between the hurt of his disloyalty and the admiration of his ability t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:04 PM
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I wouldn't say slash tires. Kind of counterproductive if you want them out of your sight, right? But I understand your feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:02 AM
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So would you stay or leave? Or just avoid getting attached in the first place so that you see her as a mere fuck buddy?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:59 AM
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I'm not sure that's unique to men, to be honest. But yes, take away the gendered framing and I agree 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:57 AM
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Right. Out of self-respect and dignity, I couldn't stay with a cheater. You say "for a man." Do you think it's easier for women to maintain dignity whilst staying with a cheater?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:55 AM
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Agreed on all counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:53 AM
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I've been cheated on. Never stayed, since I'm not into the cuck life. Cheating is one boundary that can never be crossed. I'd consider staying with my wife if she murdered someone, since that's not disloyalty, but cheating is right out. I never got therapy for being cheated on. I don't know how useful it would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:53 AM
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This person is bringing stuff in from another thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:41 AM
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Dude, that's borderline witch hunting now. Anyway, how am I to be held responsible for that? I am not my dad, and I didn't even know about the cheating until more than half a decade after she was dead. She said he hadn't cheated when she was alive. I've been a victim of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:38 AM
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It is still done on most American babies, although it is going down. I was not circumcised, even though it was the norm when I was born in the late 80s. However, even though I remember all my friends being circumcised, apparently it was only about 50/50 in the state where I grew up, so that's odd. Some of my friends teased me about my "penis that look[ed] like a faucet" that "no women [would] ever want to touch." I was so embarrassed that I asked my parents if I could get circumcised when I was …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 11:40 PM
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Oh yeah, I know. I am a male with autism. Hence why I said "people with autism," since half the time, males with autism are not considered people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 08:48 PM
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Haven't you seen that New Statesman poll where most young women under 30 now have a negative opinion of men? Additionally, this antipathy towards us makes it harder for us to have our rights protect protected. Also, no one cares about how positive discrimination in favor of women in jobs affects us. Never mind that many of us have wives, so discriminating against us is also just discriminating against other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:47 PM
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I'm not a fan of Andrew Tate. He doesn't even advocate for men's rights. He's not part of my movement. And come on, misandry is much older than that, going all the way back to Pharaoh and Moses, with the former wanting to kill every single Israelite baby boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:45 PM
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Yes, that's exactly what I meant by reproductive rights for everybody and not just women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 08:30 PM

Why are you posting in this thread instead of the thread where I actually talked about that? Anyway, it sounds to me like he did want to be with her, but he found her sudden change in behavior to toward being more aggressive, yelly, and irritable after they got married to be difficult to tolerate. And believe me, she was a hell of a yeller. Once I went to my friend's house five blocks away, forgot to check in, and she showed up outside the apartment complex and yelled at the top of her lungs fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:42 PM

He got her pregnant after they were married (and after they had dated for 4 years). There were 10 months between their wedding and the birth of my older brother. It was not a shotgun wedding.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:34 PM

But he didn't get them pregnant. EDIT: If he had, I know he would have stepped up, since he had a child out of wedlock four years before he met my mom, and he provided for him, despite the fact that my half-brother's mom was in a foreign country and never would have demanded his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:30 PM

Big-brained take incoming: Child support should only be able to be levied against men with massive passive income through stock investments and things like that. Otherwise, they will have to use their bodies to pay that child support, so it's a violation of their bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:28 PM
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When it comes to laws against genital mutilation in the US, it really is ass backwards. Mainstream American culture already sees every form of FGM as barbaric customs practiced by culturally remote people, so even if it were legal, very few women and girls in the US would be in danger of facing it. It's men and boys who actually need a law, precisely because culture and customs have failed to protect them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 06:39 PM
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I'm old enough to remember when us guys in middle school thought BSB was catchy, but we couldn't say it out loud, lest everybody thought we were gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 06:28 PM
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A restoration of Roe v Wade that reasons its way into constitutional protection of reproductive rights for everybody, not just women. Additionally, a determination that the legalization of circumcision even while FGM is explicitly illegal at the federal level violates the Equal Protection Clause.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 06:17 PM
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Y'all take such offense from comments online from people who don't know you. I wouldn't say offense, more like concern. We've seen how misandry has grown over the years, mainly as a result of unchallenged online discourse. We were told it was just venting, and no big deal, so we should just ignore it, and now we are seeing the real life consequences of having ignored it. I want to see misandry become as taboo as misogyny before I die. Good for you, for you, it's in the context of real-life incid…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 06:07 PM
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"Silence is Violence" say some feminists, i.e., that unless a man is bowing down to a woman and constantly scolding men that those men must hate women. I agree that this is too much to ask from both sides, but I understand where it comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:48 PM
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Men have bad experiences with women too. Why do women's bad experiences with men justify them having negative feelings about men in general, but men who have just as bad of experiences with women are expected to suck it up and be the bigger person? Either lived experience justifies bigotry for everyone or for no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:30 PM
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It's always amazing to me how it's okay to talk about men in ways that would never be acceptable for any other immutable group. Can you imagine people saying that blacks come in three moral tiers, and that only 16% of black people are morally good? Or people with autism? I think a lot of people who spread misandrist rhetoric do so not necessarily out of deep conviction, but because men are the most acceptable target of bigotry right now, so they direct their impulse to engage in bigotry towards …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 05:25 PM

Nah, feeling my toddler's warm little head against my cheek as he clings to me like a spider monkey when he finally has wound down and ready to fall asleep after a day's worth of wearing me out is a highlight of my day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:58 PM
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If men are dying by homicide more than women, then THAT is because of gender Exactly! However many women are being killed because of their gender (which I think are very few, since, sorry, but just because her killer was her boyfriend doesn't mean it was because of her gender), far more are not being killed because their gender makes them more sympathetic and less disposable. I live in Mexico, where feminists claim that there is a femicide epidemic, all while around 88% of homicide victims every…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 03:34 PM
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I don't care who you are Where you're from What you did As long as you love me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:56 PM
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Well, yeah, but still, I think it's an interesting thought experiment. I feel like n-count insecurity is really not about the count as such, but rather, the possibility that it opens up that she has had better sex than she'll ever have with you. I believe that most guys would be okay with a particular high n-count woman if they could guarantee that her past lovers all disappointed her compared to new guy. Dick size is one part of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:55 PM

Yeah, me neither. By the way, when my mom was dying of cancer, she said my dad was a coward. I always used to wonder why he never verbally fought back when my mom was yelling. He says he learned from his own shellshocked WWII-vet dad not to provoke a potentially feral animal. I was always much more afraid of my mom than my dad as a kid and adolescent. Once, when I was about 17, my dad got angry and yelled at me. I found him so unintimidating that I started to laugh at him, so he pushed me agains…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:07 AM
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Also, why can’t they just be themselves, literally. You kind of answered your own question: because you'll call it whiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:00 AM
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