Gmed66 Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
135	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy?	Question For Women	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 01:39 AM
89	Don't lots of rejections hurt your self esteem?	Question For Men	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/24 03:53 AM
71	Are more and more women choosing to stay single into their 30s?	Question for RedPill	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/24 03:34 AM
68	Looks being important is not a new discovery or a novel idea...		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	05/08/21 06:59 PM
67	Self improvement is quite limited for men	Debate	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:56 AM
46	Success (and wealth) can actually worsen your dating experience as a man		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	22/01/23 04:43 AM
41	For men - things you can't control are what is most attractive whereas things you can control are of minor value	Discussion	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/24 02:31 AM
39	Money plays a minor role for genuine dating as a man	Debate	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/24 02:50 AM
36	Would there be fewer incels if society was more honest?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	14/05/22 09:22 PM
31	Is being more appealing with older age a big myth?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	01/11/21 03:51 PM
31	Why we do struggle to admit that looks matter a lot for men?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	18/01/22 12:14 AM
31	Are muscles over rated?	Question For Women	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 06:54 AM
26	"Gold digging" has been completely replaced by sugaring	Debate	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/24 02:26 AM
26	Is the idea of women dating/marrying a "provider" type of guy as they age, just a huge myth? "Betabux" or whatever it's called		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	12/08/22 05:47 AM
23	Confidence is a byproduct of success, "just be confident bro" does not work.		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	25/11/21 07:56 PM
23	Do men seriously have more dating options as they get older?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	03/02/23 03:42 AM
21	In today's age, do people truly believe that a man's "resources" are really that important?	Question for RedPill	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/24 03:25 AM
21	Rejection leads to low self esteem and perception of lower self worth		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	31/08/21 03:30 PM
19	Good looks are to dating, what being born wealthy is to your financial status		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	16/12/22 02:49 AM
19	Why is it considered taboo to state that a man's looks are #1 in dating?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	08/04/22 02:30 AM
16	"Status" is not what most people think		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	31/12/22 05:42 AM
16	Muscles/bodybuilder looks actually hurt men when it comes to dating (in most cases)		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	19/10/21 03:06 AM
15	Career/success/status/money/muscles - all things that impress other men, not women. Why do men fixate on things that largely impress other men?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	29/11/21 04:47 AM
15	Why the stereotype of older/middle aged rich guys dating younger attractive girls?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	02/05/22 10:27 PM
14	Career/success & its impact on dating		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	24/08/21 12:04 PM
13	Why isn't your social circle considered a critically important trait, especially for men?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	05/01/23 03:08 AM
12	To males out there, do you get jealous?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	14/11/21 04:05 AM
10	Why do we try to teach that "confidence if everything" ?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	31/10/21 04:29 PM
9	Have you noticed that financial status and career status has very little importance now compared to the past?	Question For Men	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/24 04:22 AM
7	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects?	Question For Women	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 02:19 AM
7	How exactly is money a huge deal for dating?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	17/11/22 05:13 PM
6	Male looks and attraction sort of fall into a bell curve, which explains a lot of dating		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	18/12/21 09:46 PM
6	Money and status and career are not that significant for men (including being rich)	Discussion	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/02/24 03:54 AM
5	Realistic standards are the key to success	Discussion	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 03:34 AM
5	Does anything actually compensate for lack of physical attraction?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	29/07/22 04:38 AM
4	Should men's looks be largely based on their face? Why include body type?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	07/08/22 04:06 AM
4	The extreme level of "competition" for attractive women		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	08/11/21 06:35 AM
4	If there was more transparency in dating, would it help? Ex. Telling the other side the real reason for rejection		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	14/01/23 06:26 AM
4	What do you think about "Chads" ? Legitimate?		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	25/08/21 08:35 PM
3	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30?	Discussion	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 03:45 AM
3	High dating standards are certainly a big reason for more people being single and/or lonely		Gmed66	/r/ExRedPill	15/01/24 03:52 AM
2	Does the concept of "LMS" - Looks/Money/Status need to be abolished and thought over?	Question for RedPill	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/24 06:59 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money	Debate	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 02:29 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating?	Question For Men	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 02:19 AM
0	How do you classify & determine leagues?	Question for RedPill	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 03:22 AM
0	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30	Debate	Gmed66	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 02:46 AM

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Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
6	Older men dating younger women: A youngish woman's perspective Men go for all women. While men can go for attractive women all they like, there is a very high entry requirement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 01:57 AM
–	Most of the advice here just tells men to NOT be proactive in finding a girlfriend Yes because then they simply come to you	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 01:55 AM
–	I DON'T buy that men who date a younger woman do it because they're easier to manipulate Marriage age stats are official and show people marry within 3-4 years at the most usually. Beyond that you go into the uncommon category. Your question is explained by situationships, people dating multiple people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/24 02:00 AM
3	I DON'T buy that men who date a younger woman do it because they're easier to manipulate Number crunching never ever works. It doesn't work in business and doesn't work in dating. 0% of 0 is 0.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 04:50 AM
1	I DON'T buy that men who date a younger woman do it because they're easier to manipulate Way harder. Guys are in their 30s and bragging about going out with a 24 year old who is literally a bit less attractive than them. Anyone who is attractive will have extremely high standards if they're dating someone older.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 04:46 AM
1	I DON'T buy that men who date a younger woman do it because they're easier to manipulate Those are anecdotes and ultimately represent a very small percentage of women, even if you include all of the fake stories.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 04:45 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Let me ask you. You truly believe those are the same two things?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/24 03:34 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" That's very untrue. Also not nearly the same as what I'm saying. There's a massive difference between a woman wanting cash upfront when you meet, just to come hang out with you for 2 hours. Versus paying for a couple drinks for someone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/24 06:09 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Lil Wayne is also an elite celebrity, not relevant for 99.99% of men. The average man is overweight but so is the average woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/24 04:18 PM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" There won't be 10% rating someone a 7-8 and 90% a 5. It's a smaller number and smaller discrepancy. Also many of that <10% won't be interested for other reasons. Leagues are still relevant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/24 04:16 PM
-3	Women should not complain about being left for younger woman Women leave men, not the other way around; barring the anomalies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/24 01:58 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Yeah but that doesn't really change much? You go to the gym to look better. Body already is quite limited in how much it helps. There's a reason there's a massive overlap in the bodybuilding and incel communities. Most women don't care about muscles much. As a whole, it helps a little bit and is a nice bonus but isn't a game changer unless they're a dedicated fitness person. You're right about getting rid of red flags. My idea though is that it's better to just not waste time and try to go for w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/24 01:53 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Let me rephrase that. Personal opinion is not relevant. What is relevant is if most people out of 10,000 would agree with you. That's more in line with majority opinion and objective in some sense rather than personal bias. Why does that matter? Because we can't take your word for who is and isn't pretty. Who you think is pretty, might be average to 90% of men. We don't know. My experience is that 100% of the time when these claims get made, with no exception, there is never a true mismatch in l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/24 01:50 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Yeah but that's not what people mean when they say money. The reference always is about some mythical guy who is not good looking, has a lot of money, and lots of quality women genuinely want him. That's simply not reality. I do agree with what you're saying though. If you can get plastic surgery, and if it works for you (it doesn't for everyone) and you acquire a perfect body then yeah you'll at least have a shot at being a bit above average. Again, this doesn't work for everyone. Though those …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/09/24 01:46 AM
1	Why aren't women pickier with who they date if they can afford to be? No I'm just trying to understand your point. So by that logic, you'd have to agree that men have much higher sex drives, which not everyone agrees with. And that women can simply hold off for more attractive men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 05:15 AM
3	Why aren't women pickier with who they date if they can afford to be? Offer more in what regard? If you take a 5/10 guy who makes 80k per year and a 5/10 woman who makes 60k per year .The woman has far more options and can easily reject the first guy and find another one like him. The guy on the other hand, might need to look hard to find someone else who will say yes. But how does the woman offer more?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 04:52 AM
6	Why aren't women pickier with who they date if they can afford to be? Is there some sort of objective metric to show that women are massively better than men in terms of looks and career prospects and income and personality? I would expect this to be true if men are crap everywhere. Or is it just that men hit on everyone and women can have very high standards that becomes unrealistic relative to what they offer?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 04:32 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" It's not 80% but it's higher than it's ever been for sure. Some men do get into a relationship and may only have had 1-3 partners lifetime by their late 20s but are ultimately not desirable in the dating pool. Though again, not 80%. There are lots of single moms and other people out there. Things eventually stabilize out a bit. People go below their league as well eventually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 04:28 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" If you look closely, those guys are average but the women they're with are also average looking. Whenever someone shows me photos of these cases, I have never once seen a true looks mismatch. So yes if you're charismatic, you can do really well in your own league. The other consideration is that charisma and looks aren't much different, are they? Both are things you're very limited in how you can improve it. Looks are very hard to improve but charisma is arguably even harder. Both are out of you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 04:25 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" I think if you have average tier looks potential and lots of other issues, like you mention, then fixing them can let you attractive average looking women. What you cannot do, is actually upgrade your looks. An average guy is not becoming a chad or anything even close to that and isn't attracting good looking women generally speaking. Sure, sugar daddies and mental health related issues and other outlier cases happen. For normal healthy people, not a chance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 02:34 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Money gives you options if you want to pay someone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 02:32 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Good post. The number of single women in your early 20s and in that age range, is just so high around you. I have no idea where people get this idea that just having a place to live and a car, makes a guy attractive? Those are just normal human stuff. I have multiple flashy cars, a large 6 bedroom home and vacation property and earn 7 figures. The women who care are very obviously into my looks and how I act way before they find out any of that. The women who don't care, continue to not care at …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 02:31 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Is that truly what's happening though? Me and a couple others on here who have 7 figure incomes/net worths have posted that it has zero impact. Keep in mind I do drive (multiple) flashy cars, have a 6 bedroom home and vacation property and other toys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 02:23 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" I don't know dude. There are a lot of guys who think just getting older, somehow magically means women will want you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 02:22 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Self improvement has enormous diminishing returns for dating. Unless you're truly overweight or have some major deficiency that's fixable, the returns on investment are minimal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 02:21 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" It's easy to talk about something being an issue if you don't have it and thus can blame it. The chad type of guys I know all had major success with dating high quality attractive women despite having mediocre incomes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 02:18 AM
2	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Low value on paper but still way ahead with real life dating prospects compared to an older "high value" guy on paper. I'm a doctor in my 30s and the dating pool is much much muchh smaller now. It doesn't really matter what your "value" is. The number of single normal women in my age group + the number of younger single mom who are willing to date an older guy, is very small compared to when I was 22 and amongst my peers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 02:17 AM
3	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" The problem is your dating pool is so much smaller now. You can infinitely self improve, but for who? Not to mention, self improvement of looks is very minimal even after immense effort. Early 20s, you can date women in your age group which are a very large number of single women. You can also date older to some extent. In your 30s, suddenly the pool shrinks. Most women your age are not single. They're married with kids, or have a partner of some sort. You can go 5-6 years younger and it's very …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 02:14 AM
2	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Yeah I also quickly realized that unless you want to pay (be a sugar daddy), it has no impact. I'm a doctor and while it can help with making conversation with some people (not most), it really doesn't move the attraction needle. On paper? Sure. In real life? The women who are interested are the ones who would be interested regardless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 02:09 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Right. Online dating used to be somewhat niche. Social media not being as prominent meant that standards were not so absurdly high.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/09/24 01:39 AM
6	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" 19-26 was when I got laid the most and had the best dating prospects.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 05:25 AM
3	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" 7 figure earner here. When do you think you realized it has no impact? We all went through the usual money talk we all hear about how important it is and how women will rate you a 9/10 if you're a 5 just because you're a millionaire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 05:23 AM
7	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" I've posted about this too and perhaps you've replied to me before. I'm actually a 7 figure earner, not just net worth. I attract the same women I did when I was 20, plain average looking. So yes it had zero impact. Usually you know who is honest about money online in this context because they're the first to admit it doesn't matter. The guys who pretend, will say it's important. But never can explain why. Then people who do not have high incomes, blame money. It's never the money. I used to dri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 05:22 AM
3	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Guys in their 30s with careers don't have that many dating options. It's largely single moms your own age, younger single moms or problematic folks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 05:20 AM
3	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" Younger women like excitement and don't care about stability. As they get older, they STILL care about excitement but they also care about stability. Looks and being fun doesn't stop being important. It's just there's an extra variable added in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 05:18 AM
10	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" It gets harder with age in real life, not easier. It only gets "easier" if you were massively underachieving. I'm talking about making some improvements either. Think of it this way. Take a guy who is morbidly obese at age 20. Fast forward to age 40, that same guy is now quite lean and in great shape. Who is the faster runner? Of course the 40 year old. But does that mean people become faster and become better athletes with age? Hell no. Everyone knows that. It's just the 20 year old version was…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 05:17 AM
1	Blue pillers and Red pillers agree on somethings, one of which is "The guy has to wait his turn" The redpill advice is hilariously fake and never happens. The bluepill advice is just cope.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 05:14 AM
–	Every woman is a gold digger… Average age of marriage is under 30 so this doesn't even apply to most people. Most people aren't anywhere close to rich either. I think you're confusing that women care that the guy is at least somewhat financially stable versus gold digging where you are willing to date a less attractive guy for his money. You're also assuming the hot guy is broke. Why? Statistically the hot guy is not broke. So most of the time, that's still who women will want at age 20, 30, 40 and 50+ I wasn't ever broke at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 04:55 AM
2	Every woman is a gold digger… Not exactly. Guys in the low socioeconomic class date/marry/hook up with women in the low socioeconomic classes. Attractive guys in the bracket get with attractive women in the low socioeconomic classes. If you're saying that a guy working minimum wage at age 30 with no education or skills isn't going to attract educated career-oriented attractive, then yes you're right. On the other hand, if you're a 5/10 guy making 500k per year, you aren't going to attract a 8/10 woman unless you're directly …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 04:21 AM
2	Every woman is a gold digger… Men only struggle due to looks and sometimes personality. I can't even remember one time seeing a guy get rejected due to lack of money. But I've seen countless guys get rejected for flashing money. Guys who go for their own league don't struggle as much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 04:18 AM
1	Every woman is a gold digger… That doesn't mean a good income will attract anyone on its own.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:57 AM
1	Every woman is a gold digger… Exactly this	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:56 AM
1	Every woman is a gold digger… I guarantee you that that they aren't as hideous as you say and the women they're with are on their level as well. There are lots of lonely richer guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:56 AM
3	Every woman is a gold digger… You don't have a chance without the looks as a guy. I'm a 7 figure earner and in my neighborhood and numerous social contacts, the guys who are average looking or lower are always hiring escorts or sugar babies. Even the 6/10 guys have no chance with the attractive women. These are all wealthy guys. 7 figure earners, 6 figure passive incomes, not old. I used to hook up easily when I was 20. Now in my 30s it takes more work for lower success rates and it's impossible to date out of your league. Y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:42 AM
0	Every woman is a gold digger… That's funny because every typical younger pretty girl dates/marries the chad type who, while not broke at all, is not rich either .	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:39 AM
2	Every woman is a gold digger… What's the double standard? Blaming money is an excuse. Good looking guys get laid without any money, and get married to quality women. Guys who struggle with dating just want to blame something material and pick money. Newsflash, no income level fixes a guy's dating prospects.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:38 AM
11	Every woman is a gold digger… I don't understand how it's gold digging if you simply want a man who has a job and is at least middle class. This is just an excuse for guys to pretend they can deflect their real dating issues.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:36 AM
2	Every woman is a gold digger… Every guy I know who is a 5/10 or lower and is very high income or somewhat wealthy, still struggles a lot with dating. Just because women care about a guy having a job and not being employed, doesn't mean that a good job = dating success.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:35 AM
3	Every woman is a gold digger… I make 7 figures as a doctor and I promise you that gold digging is largely a myth in how you view it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:33 AM
2	Every woman is a gold digger… Women equally care about beauty, in that you need to have a face that's equal to theirs looks wise. Have you not been around women when they're going crazy over the hot guy in the room? It's literally a guarantee.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:33 AM
0	Every woman is a gold digger… Not at all. If a woman thinks a guy is hot and likes him, then he'll have sex with him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:30 AM
1	Every woman is a gold digger… OP your post is wrong. Being employed and not being broke is a requirement yes but it doesn't increase your chances in any way. You just can't even play the game without it. Once you get to play, then it's only your face/personality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/24 02:29 AM
2	Are Women Truly Outpacing Men and Is The Often-Cited Claim False That This Is What's Driving Down Marriage/Relationships? Well that's why I said it's a check box. You literally explained why it is indeed a check box. An enhancer would mean that being more educated makes you sexier to women which is absolutely not true. If your face isn't up to par, you have zero chance. A check box means you can't proceed without ticking the education box first. But once you do, it's still your face and personality that counts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 05:26 PM
0	Are Women Truly Outpacing Men and Is The Often-Cited Claim False That This Is What's Driving Down Marriage/Relationships? Not at all	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 05:24 PM
0	Are Women Truly Outpacing Men and Is The Often-Cited Claim False That This Is What's Driving Down Marriage/Relationships? True but there are lots of 5/10 career guys with lots of money who has no options. I did okay with women when I was 20. Though mostly just very average looking women but most were in good shape I'd say. Fast forward, I'm a doctor and a very high income earner, I attract the exact same women as before. Actually it's a bit harder now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:45 AM
1	Are Women Truly Outpacing Men and Is The Often-Cited Claim False That This Is What's Driving Down Marriage/Relationships? Yeah that's true. I'd say the face check is also a bit of a spectrum. the more good looking a guy is, the more options he has. Even if being above average passes the face check.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:44 AM
2	Are Women Truly Outpacing Men and Is The Often-Cited Claim False That This Is What's Driving Down Marriage/Relationships? If they find a guy they're attracted to, they'll be interested as long as he's employed. Being educated is just a check box. Not an enhancer for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:41 AM
-1	Are Women Truly Outpacing Men and Is The Often-Cited Claim False That This Is What's Driving Down Marriage/Relationships? Expectations are ridiculous on paper, not in real life. A good looking guy who isn't tall and makes 75k a year will easily be able to date attractive women. That's real life. yeah sure on paper you might get a list of things.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:39 AM
1	Are Women Truly Outpacing Men and Is The Often-Cited Claim False That This Is What's Driving Down Marriage/Relationships? Not really true. A guy who is 5'8 with an average personality but has a 7/10 face with a degree making 75k a year is good enough easily to get a 7-8/10 woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:38 AM
5	Are Women Truly Outpacing Men and Is The Often-Cited Claim False That This Is What's Driving Down Marriage/Relationships? Having a degree satisfies a check box. It doesn't enhance your rating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:36 AM
4	Are Women Truly Outpacing Men and Is The Often-Cited Claim False That This Is What's Driving Down Marriage/Relationships? You need to be very careful in how you interpret this. Education and career is a check box requirement for many women, especially if that's something they have themselves. So yes it is one reason why. But be careful. It doesn't mean good career = liked by women. It means to even have a shot, you need to have those things. It doesn't enhance you, it just lets you come in the room.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:35 AM
7	What advice would you give to a man looking meet/date people while avoiding dating apps? This. If you look good, women will find you	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:22 AM
0	Q4W: Which male celebrities do you think only have success with women because of their fame and wealth? You realize that's just your opinion, right? Millions of women think his face is good looking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:21 AM
1	Q4W: Which male celebrities do you think only have success with women because of their fame and wealth? And to millions of women as well	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:20 AM
1	Q4W: Which male celebrities do you think only have success with women because of their fame and wealth? I mean I'm sure there are many men who look better, sure. But he's still very attractive face wise. He's also an elite celebrity. Take a look at Bezos or Bill Gates. If money is that important, then why is their 2nd partner not better looking than their 1st?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:19 AM
1	If women are hypergamous by nature, then why are there so many women in society who do not 'Date Up' What?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 02:18 AM
1	If women are hypergamous by nature, then why are there so many women in society who do not 'Date Up' Because they're taught to only look at the material stuff but then on an individual level they go for who they're attracted to. People also don't realize that having a career or money is a checkbox requirement. It's not really an enhancer. Checking boxes doesn't upgrade you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 06:23 PM
1	Q4W: Which male celebrities do you think only have success with women because of their fame and wealth? Leo is still good looking...	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 06:12 PM
1	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. Well you don't because there's no official directory of leagues of humans. Your best bet is, what would a few hundred women discretely think of 1 particular guy. Their average opinion, is his league. So you ignore outlier opinions and instead focus on averages across hundreds of opinions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 05:43 AM
2	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. Their face, general personality, socioeconomic status. For the most part it's the person's face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 04:58 AM
1	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. It's nuanced but pulling out of your league is rare.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 02:24 AM
2	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. Or he's going for above average women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 02:24 AM
1	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. Well what kind of women is he going for? If it's average BMI with a very average face, and still getting rejected a lot for dates, then he's below average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 02:23 AM
2	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. Leagues are just a descriptor of that anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 02:21 AM
0	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. That's not really how it works though. Yes you can get lucky and become an outlier but the other side can cheat on you once they realize the looks mismatch. They also are unlikely to stick around unless you're offering something very niche.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 02:20 AM
0	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. Why don't you believe in leagues?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 02:19 AM
1	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. I would say 2nd date. 1st dates can happen due to luck or other reasons. Maybe the girl is bored. A 2nd date and sex is prove there's attraction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 02:17 AM
1	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. I would say replicate rather than keep. If you can hook up with lots of attractive women, then well you're good looking. If they're not staying with you, it's possible your personality is really bad. But you aren't just magically attracting lots of pretty women. That's definitely your league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 02:16 AM
2	Outside of sex work your "league" is what you can get. Yes OP you're right. But I would say at least it's what you can repeat. You can get lucky for all sorts of reasons. But can you replicate your success? That's your league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/24 02:14 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Well even with a very average IQ, you can do well financially with blue collar work. So there's still quite a bit you can control. Looks is where you really run into a wall and that caps your dating pool immensely.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/24 06:51 PM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Things happen. Even me as the OP, have had flings with 3 women who were definitely prettier than myself. There's different reasons but truth is in most cases there isn't any actual attraction for the guy. Sometimes flings happen randomly, just due to luck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/24 07:33 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money What happens is you might be appealing on paper and once you go on a date and she sees your face closely for a couple of hours, she realizes there's no attraction. For your argument to be true, she'd remain interested despite lack of attraction to your face. Quite frankly I'm not sure where women who don't care a lot about the guy's looks even exist. The internet likes to pretend they're everywhere. Every girl I've gone out tells me that's the first thing she cares about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 05:11 PM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money The guy in those photos is good looking. That sort of dismisses your entire argument.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 05:10 PM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money People think that guys who pay women to hang out are attractive to them lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:42 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Making you more attractive on paper is not the same as women actually desiring you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:41 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Bezos' partner is on the same level as his ex wife. Gates... has a partner on the same level as his ex wife. Trump married a sugar baby. This is all explainable. Show me some rich guys who have a wife who is much better looking than them who is also fairly educated and has a career and clearly into their husband.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:39 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money I'm sure you remember the outliers but what about the endless examples of looksmatched couples that you've seen. Why ignore them and focus on the outliers which make up <5%?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:38 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money I said to exempt celebrities, so celebrity media is literally irrelevant. But on the topic of celebs... Jeff bezos? elon musk? Bill gates? Zuckerberg? Mega rich, but they're sex symbols to women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:37 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Most women say the same as you do. But some women don't, except they always talk about other women liking rich unattractive guys. It's never something they or someone they know personally would embrace. Always some mystical idea that others do, that no one ever sees.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:36 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Like Jeff Bezos? He got divorced and got with someone on the same level as his ex wife. Bill gates? Elon musk? Even the mega rich are still largely in their own league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:34 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Outlier cases always have the biggest appeal to people. It creates false hope though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:32 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money He's attractive, what's your point? Ignore my no-celebrity rule. Bezos, Zuckerberg, Bill gates. They're sex symbols to women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:31 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Not for life. They too get married. I always laugh like people pretend the hot guys drop off the planet at age 30 or something all at once.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:30 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Well I certainly agree that couples are looksmatched, I would say it's more than just most. It's almost all. Multi millionaires are dating women in their own league. I literally live in a mansion neighborhood. Some of the guys here look better than their wife if anything. I'll exempt my no celebrity rule for a second. Just look at Bill gates and Bezos. I'll ignore zuckerberg here since you said after they got rich. But you can't pretend he has lots of women around who want him. Elon Musk? His ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:29 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money So I noticed you said you're retired after working over 20 years. You're definitely over age 40 then, perhaps over age 50 likely? No offense, seriously. But there's a very high chance your opinion on who is and isn't attractive isn't the same as a 30 year old guy for example. I generally find guys who are middle aged or older, to find literally any 25-30 year old woman who is in shape to be attractive. Even when they have a very average looking face, they default to attractive due to being young…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 01:25 AM
0	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Do you have any proof of this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 02:19 PM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money No, all ordinary people. Some liked to party.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 07:24 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money So lets say you're an average 5/10 guy and 25 years old. You put a bunch of shiny stuff on. Where exactly are you going to get attention from women, and what are you going to do?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 06:34 AM
0	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money It's quite literally what I've observed nation wide. It's what women universally say as well. Even on this very forum, women say what I'm saying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 06:25 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Based on what? I'd argue there are a very similar number of attractive people on both sides. Just being fit and wearing make up =/= attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 06:24 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Well hope for what exactly? Is your question assuming that dating in your league is bad? My thread isn't about that at all. It's just countering a general talking point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 06:24 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Attention from who?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 06:00 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money And you're certain you were not overrating women and underrating men? You weren't calling someone attractive just because they were in shape and wore make up? They were truly stand out attractive in a group of 40 people?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 05:59 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money No because you can't. You're stating something that was true in the 50s and 60s. Times have changed, it's 2024.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 05:58 AM
0	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Uncommon nowadays. A true sugar daddy-baby arrangement is far more common than old school gold digging.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 05:10 AM
-5	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money I think that's just you overrating to be honest. Underrate the guy, overrate the woman. Very classic and common. Make up and fillers don't count. Chances are you're just describing a couple with a 5/10 guy and a 5-6/10 woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 05:09 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Sorry I've seen the opposite. What exactly do you do that has you scoping out couples in various urban centers and having knowledge on their finances and relationships?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 05:07 AM
4	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money It's funny because I know a couple attractive receptionists who have rejected the professionals in their office and have a chad bluecollar boyfriend. I routinely see nurses also go for the hot paramedic or firefighter. I think there's a fantasy that a lot of men have that obtaining a certain position or income guarantees them attractive women who like them. But there's 2 problems. 1) A high income and nice job doesn't make you a playboy, at all 2) Women are just people and will like who they're …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 05:06 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money I would say it's generally common for lower socioeconomic women to not really care that much about a career oriented high income guy hitting on them. You realize this happens literally every night at bars all across the country? Ultimately, they see a guy they aren't physically attracted to and that's where it ends. On the lower socioeconomic ends, the dating habits aren't exactly based around putting immense value on a partner being very educated and successful. I would figure you'd know this. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 05:01 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money What's the main point?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 04:57 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money They find partners are their own level. You don't get to date out of your league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 04:57 AM
-2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money You must live overseas. In no way is this true in USA. Who do you think attractive men date then? lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 04:56 AM
0	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Did you read the part about excluding celebrities? Surely you don't think a random nobody guy making 750k a year is the same as a billionaire famous person. Do you believe that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 04:53 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money No, they're average. They also all easily find partners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 04:52 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Here's the issue with this. Lots of those men are also good looking, I've seen it myself. Lot of the women are also not really any better looking than their husband. Maxing out make up with fillers isn't the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 04:51 AM
0	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Yes you get plenty of attention from women at your own level. Well aware of that. Not from women who are obviously more attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 04:50 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Right, I said that in my OP. You can pay for it, as many guys do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 03:42 AM
3	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money I'm quite literally a doctor. I might not personally but I have numerous male doctor friends who have been turned down by waitresses and similar many times. You think women don't care about being attracted to their partner?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 03:42 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Socal and NYC have an abundance of sugar daddies. Not sure why you'd ignore that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 03:41 AM
1	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money How is that relevant?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 03:23 AM
-3	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money I see your point but you're wrong about who those men date. I'm a doctor and live in a upper class neighborhood in Texas suburbs and that's not what I see at all. The exact opposite actually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 03:22 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money Not sure where you live. I'm mostly lived in metro USA or suburbs in populated states. I've actually been to bars and parties a lot, and seen the exact opposite of what you're suggesting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 03:21 AM
2	Men can't date/marry out of their league with career success and money What's your point about Jeremy Meeks? Celebrities don't count for very obvious reasons. They have a different halo effect, fans have a skewed view of celebrities they idolize, and they have high end elite fame and status. None of these are remotely applicable to a business owner who makes 650k per year and is unknown to the public. I'm also not talking about outliers. You can can certainly find examples but you would have to ignore the hundreds of other cases for the one outlier you find.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 02:40 AM
1	Dating apps are hard for women All that counts on dating apps are looks. In real life, it's still not much more than that for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 02:07 AM
0	What is supposed to be "fair" about dating? Realistically what has happened is that the percentage has dipped down a lot for men in general in recent years. So now you get more frustrated men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 02:05 AM
2	People who assume romantically unsuccessful men just need to "talk to women" more are naive To be honest, a 6-6.5/10 rating would give you lots of options among average looking women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 02:04 AM
9	People who assume romantically unsuccessful men just need to "talk to women" more are naive This is why I laugh when people say that women's standards drop after 30. That's so hilarious to me. Even at age 45 women have very high standards. There are lots of pretty 40 year old women out there and guys that think their standards magically drop, are hilarious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 02:03 AM
4	People who assume romantically unsuccessful men just need to "talk to women" more are naive For men, plastic surgery doesn't always work well. I'm a doctor and have dabbled in cosmetics before (non invasive stuff only) so I have some knowledge base in that theory. It does work well for some though. Losing weight and getting muscular helps but a lot of incels do lift.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 01:58 AM
6	People who assume romantically unsuccessful men just need to "talk to women" more are naive You're right about your general point. But there's also no big boss who's planting ragebait. Women post themselves on instagram as do men. It's individual choices. The internet just increases our exposure to this. Back in the day, you'd have to go to the bar to get rejected and you wouldn't really see the chad's success in your face regularly. Maybe sometimes but usually you wouldn't. Now you see it online. But one objective truth is that rejections have gone up as have single people. This means…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 01:57 AM
1	Are guys who have more success in their 30s actually out for revenge like some narratives here suggest? It doesn't work for everyone, especially men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 04:59 PM
1	Are guys who have more success in their 30s actually out for revenge like some narratives here suggest? There is no revenge of the nerds in real life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 03:30 AM
7	What are single men doing wrong? You should do this of course but it has pretty minimal effects on dating outcomes. If you do become truly muscular, it can help a little with some women. Not a huge game changer. You won't have much control over this. That's like telling a kid in school to just go and become popular.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 03:26 AM
3	What are single men doing wrong? Looks and personality are both genetic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 03:25 AM
3	What are single men doing wrong? We have data that shows most relationships are very similar in age. Big age gaps, are quite uncommon. It's 10-15% approximately and that includes modest age gaps too. You don't actually become more desirable with age as a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 03:24 AM
2	What are single men doing wrong? It is genetics relative to who you're pursuing. Men have to lower their standards a bit overall in their 20s and then in their 30s and beyond can have standards equal to their own level. You cannot compensate in real life with anything, other than theoretical stuff on paper.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 03:23 AM
1	Why do men accuse beautiful women gold diggers? No because when I was half broke student, I attracted the exact same type of women. I also don't understand how they're dating up? In what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 05:02 AM
1	Why do men accuse beautiful women gold diggers? They are very average looking at the most. It's not gold digging when they're sharing the expense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 04:18 AM
1	Why do men accuse beautiful women gold diggers? I have a lot of "gold" and all of the women into me are very educated (phds, doctors, charted accountants) and split the bill. Many get annoyed if I seem against splitting the bill. Keep in mind this is second date onward, not the first, where yes they want the man to pay. Where is this gold digging happening? I flat out get rejected by the onlyfans type of women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 04:04 AM
3	Why do men accuse beautiful women gold diggers? Gold digging is just an excuse for failure in dating for men. "No woman likes me, must be because I make only 60k a year" Meanwhile guys making 50k a year are going out with attractive women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 02:35 AM
–	if women date up, men do too Go outside and look at people outside. Go on your Instagram and look at normal people. Those are examples where you see basically everyone is looksmatched. Why would you look at people who are extremely famous and mega rich? You could become a millionaire tomorrow and you wouldn't even compare to 0.1% of what they have.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 02:30 AM
0	Are guys who have more success in their 30s actually out for revenge like some narratives here suggest? Well if you start at zero, you can only do better. Successful men will eventually find someone and get married. But what you say is the redpill fantasy is what is broadly taught to younger guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 02:28 AM
1	Are guys who have more success in their 30s actually out for revenge like some narratives here suggest? I've worked out for as long as I can remember and I have a pretty good physique. Looksmaxxing your face is a myth unless you have high body fat or a bad hair cut. Confidence is just a descriptor of someone who have an appealing personality to women. No I would never try out of country. I have an abundance of options of women around my looks level here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 02:27 AM
2	Why do men accuse beautiful women gold diggers? Well I'm a doctor and amongst all male doctors that I know, everyone is married to their looksmatch. But their partners are usually pretty educated. Same goes for others in my community who are high earning lawyers or business owners. Men "with resources" who are good looking, are married to attractive women yes. Average looking men with resources are not dating or marrying attractive women. They end up with their looksmatch if they're looking for something serious. Men with money do use sugar b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 02:25 AM
1	Why do men accuse beautiful women gold diggers? That isn't gold digging though. Also a lot of women do pay on the 2nd date.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 02:22 AM
3	Why do men accuse beautiful women gold diggers? I still see attractive women marrying attractive guys and average women marrying average men. Who do you think the top 20% of men marry?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 05:31 AM
3	Why do men accuse beautiful women gold diggers? Why?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 04:41 AM
1	if women date up, men do too I think people just always forget that attractive women get married to the chad types. The whole manosphere pretends that good looking guys in their 20s just drop off the planet after age 30 and the nerds somehow get ahead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:30 AM
1	if women date up, men do too It's the same in upper class circles. I'm in that upper class and no one in my neighborhood is dating or marrying out of their league. When I go to restaurants where the bill comes out to 3000-4000$, yes I do see attractive women around. But guess what? The guys with them are also very good looking, that's the part people forget. No one ever looks at the guy properly, because when you do you realize looks still came first. Yes once you get to the major elite in society and celebrities, the rules…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:29 AM
2	if women date up, men do too It's very rare for men to date up in looks, outside of celebrities. The only cases I've seen involved the guy paying the woman, lots of mental health issues or a high school relationship that ended in break up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:26 AM
2	if women date up, men do too You totally nailed it. People just pretending the woman is actually better looking when that's never objectively true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:25 AM
1	if women date up, men do too Pro athletes and celebrities should never ever be used as examples for others. They're not even outliers, they simply don't exist on the spectrum.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:24 AM
1	if women date up, men do too I don't understand this argument. So who are attractive men dating and marrying then?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:23 AM
1	if women date up, men do too Overweight women still have WAYY more options than a decent looking in shape guy does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:23 AM
1	if women date up, men do too Make an account with a woman who has a 6/10 face but curvy body and you'll get hundreds of matches and nonstop messages.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:22 AM
1	if women date up, men do too Not true. Lots of guys like curvier women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:21 AM
1	if women date up, men do too Earning a little bit more yes, but you're also giving too much credit to that. A woman making 60k per year and her partner making 80k vs 120k is not that big of a deal and I promise you women aren't sorting through partners like that. When you say men dating women who are a little more attractive, again, not really. It's very rare. If you mean a 5/10 with a 6/10, sure but few things to note. is the guy masculine? being 6'4 with a nice body can bump a 5/10 guy up by 1 point are you actually ratin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:20 AM
1	if women date up, men do too Very few people are dating, let alone marrying, up in value. Being looksmatched and in the same socioeconomic class is a universal rule.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:16 AM
3	Why do men accuse beautiful women gold diggers? Quite literally all of the attractive women I know who are married, are married to chads who have a modest income.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:12 AM
4	Why do men accuse beautiful women gold diggers? Women are out earning men in their 20s and 30s now and are pursuing better education and job opportunities across the board.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:12 AM
0	Are guys who have more success in their 30s actually out for revenge like some narratives here suggest? If you take couples who meet in their 30s, you'll see they're looksmatched universally. If you rewind back to their early 20s the same couple would still be looksmatched back then, almost always.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 02:04 AM
3	Are guys who have more success in their 30s actually out for revenge like some narratives here suggest? Could be but those men use escorts. If they make good money, they become sugar daddies. Cheating outside of those arrangements requires a partner who likes you. Guys who didn't have an abundance of options are not exactly the top choice for women later on either. Also I usually see the opposite. Guys who worked hard in school and in their career but didn't have much dating success in their teens and 20s. They finally find someone in their 30s and treat that person exceptionally well because they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 01:59 AM
1	Are guys who have more success in their 30s actually out for revenge like some narratives here suggest? You can have fun at any time. It's not really a midlife crisis or suddenly getting better in your 30s. Honestly I don't know a single guy who was a complete loser with women at 22, then suddenly super appealing to women at 35. Never seen it in real life. Never even heard of genuine examples.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 01:57 AM
3	Are guys who have more success in their 30s actually out for revenge like some narratives here suggest? The most success I had was when I was 19-22. It's harder now in my 30s even though I'm extremely successful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 01:55 AM
2	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa Right exactly. You become a great option, but only within your league. Attractive women are not going to suddenly become attracted to a very average looking face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/24 01:53 AM
1	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa Exactly, within your league. The money argument, at least from many guys, is that you can go from your own league (lets say 5/10) to having lots of 8+/10 women interested in you without any sort of payment etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/24 05:34 PM
0	Why do the majority of people find their life partner between the ages of 25-30? What happens during this time to cause this phenomenon? Men peak at 55 bro	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/24 04:12 AM
5	Why do the majority of people find their life partner between the ages of 25-30? What happens during this time to cause this phenomenon? You're just comparing extremes. The women who are actually pretty, like top 20% lets say, end up marrying guys in the top 20% of looks. Women who are average range, marry men in the average range. And so on. It's really not that complicated. You say poor goofball, but the person marrying that guy is going to be on the same level of looks anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/24 04:12 AM
1	Why do the majority of people find their life partner between the ages of 25-30? What happens during this time to cause this phenomenon? Women don't either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/24 04:08 AM
2	Why do the majority of people find their life partner between the ages of 25-30? What happens during this time to cause this phenomenon? Hate to break it to you. Women care just as much about a guy being good looking if it's for long term. Of course, that's relative to their own looks. So they do actively seek out someone they're attracted to, but also compatible with. The latter obviously filters out a lot of guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/24 04:08 AM
2	Is having an income greater than minimum wage a prerequisite to dating past age 22? Or even past age 23? Men don't date down as much as you think socioeconomically. What can happen is women cut down their work hours and their income drops down a lot over the years of raising kids and hence you get those alimony payments. But the initial income and education and career prospects are often quite similar.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/24 01:59 AM
2	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa I'm 6' tall. People just don't understand that money can build within your league but it's not leading to organic attraction from someone who doesn't like your face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/24 01:52 AM
–	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? So what exactly did you notice going from 60k to 200k per year? I'm curious on the specifics. I went from earning 60k as a medical resident to making 7 figures. When I was a medical resident making that much, I could hook up or date and they wouldn't even ask what I did until it was obvious they liked me. I drove an average car. I drive a very nice bmw now so it's not like I look broke. I get the exact same type of women now as before. I thought what you may be noticing is women who already like…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/24 01:49 AM
1	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? Show me one single piece of outcomes based data. I'll wait. You've posted data that's as reliable as antivaxxer studies. I'm not LARPing. I'm talking up until the point where it's obvious they're into me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/24 04:07 AM
1	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? You're making massive assumptions here to make a point that isn't true. Lots of women have said they don't care about money beyond just being stable. That's a check box requirement. Do you understand what that is? It's not an enhancer. Also why the looks and personality talk then? If money is so important, being a millionaire should very easily give a 4/10 shy guy lots of high quality well rounded 8-9/10 options to date and marry or hook up with, without paying them anything. But does it do that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/24 03:25 AM
0	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa I actually had very extensive dating experience before getting rich and still do after as well. But yes not the women I'm always attracted to. It's not generalizing across women. It's just understanding that money matters if you're paying (sugar arrangements, escorts etc). Otherwise it's a bonus and it does not create the initial physical attraction. That's great for you if you tell me you make a lot. I'm a 7 figure earner including my dividend income. What's funny is the genuine guys on here ha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/24 03:05 AM
1	Why are women so interested in fictional romance, while seemingly being disinterested in real life romance? OP has it wrong in that women aren't interested in that kind of romance. If it's a guy they're into, of course they would be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/24 02:54 AM
1	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa The planet where I'm a very high income earner and have the before and after experience. Finance talk is always cope unless you're a sugar daddy or hiring escorts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/24 02:44 AM
1	Is having an income greater than minimum wage a prerequisite to dating past age 22? Or even past age 23? I have a hard time believing that's the real reason. Lots of my female physician colleagues are married to men in your income bracket.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/24 02:39 AM
2	Is having an income greater than minimum wage a prerequisite to dating past age 22? Or even past age 23? I promise you that educated and/or successful and/or high income men do actually care a lot about their partner being in a similar socioeconomic bracket. Women in lower socioeconomic brackets also don't mesh well with high income men. They value different things, unless there's a direct exchange of money involved.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/24 02:38 AM
1	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa Yeah exactly. If you're a hot guy with a normal job making 60k a year and have your own place and a car, you're more or less set. You can multiply that to 600k and effectively zero women will actually care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/24 02:20 AM
2	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? Not true at all. Lots of men in my profession are similar. My (upper class) neighborhood is very similar. Also did you even read my post? I've dated several dozen women, and that's excluding one off dates. What I'm saying is that before i got rich I was dating average looking women. After I got rich, I'm still dating average looking women. If I was unattractive, I would not have a shot with average women. Let alone dozens over time. Same if I had poor social skills. I speak from experience. Do y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/24 02:17 AM
1	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? First rule is never ever include celebrities or the elite. Ever. Next, I've been dating since I was 14. I've had several dozens gfs, friends with benefits etc. So I doubt you have more experience but who cares? It's an amplifier sure. It doesn't let you go out of your league. That's my main argument.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 06:40 PM
1	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? The only money based relationships in 2024 are sugar daddy/baby arrangements. So women who are into it, go for that. Some are educated, some work minimum wage jobs. Outside of that, money is not a factor in giving access to attractive women for average men. I make 7 figures as a physician and I'm not at all into that type of relationship. So otherwise I find showing off money can be a turn off to women. Or it's neutral if they already like you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 06:17 PM
1	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? I find if you have the personality to host an after party, you were getting laid in high school , college and after that with no issues. It's not the same as having a very average plain guy money and him instantly becoming attractive to women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 06:15 PM
0	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? You're using the richest person in human history as your example? Haha what a joke. Your everyday "rich guy" who has a 8 figure net worth will have a sugar baby who he pays an allowance to hang out with him. That's sad in my opinion. Is that what you mean by money working for a guy? If so, sure it works because you can pay. But what do you think happens if you go on a dating app or approach a woman at the store? Once she's decided she isn't attracted to you, what's your next move? Just yell out …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 06:14 PM
2	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? Well millionaires can become sugar daddies. Guys don't understand that money = sugar daddy. You need to pay an allowance so the woman hangs out with you. You could be paying her 5k a month for example so she sees you weekly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 06:11 PM
1	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa Your studies already got refuted in other posts. Posting a link is not proof. You need to understand methodology of a study and if it's applicable. Otherwise it's even more useless than an anecdote.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 06:10 PM
2	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa Stats don't show that at all. Dating apps are entirely looks based. Do you have a lot of money yourself?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 06:09 PM
0	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? I'm a dude...	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 06:09 PM
1	Men are affected by the wall 10x worse than women They don't drop their looks requirements that much though. But yes if they look average they'll settle for average looking. Attractive women in their 30s are strictly going for attractive men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 06:08 PM
1	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? So I disagree that lifestyle gets you 2 points even though I think we agree on a lot. The thing is that a lot of attractive women are already plugged into those nice lifestyles in one way or another. They make their own money, they combine things with friends, they get invited to parties nonstop. To get the true lifestyle advantage, you also need the social skills and popularity and status. You basically need to be cool rich guy. Being rich isn't enough. You need to be hosting the party.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 07:22 AM
1	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? Right that's what I'm saying. I'm in that 5-6/10 range but I'm a 7 figure earner when including my investment income as well. I can easily date at my own level but have no chance with hotter women. I'm literally a live example of this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 06:20 AM
0	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa Except they are not dating people based off their income at all. That's fantasyland and cope for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 05:45 AM
3	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa Women I've hooked up with didn't even ask what I do for work (I'm a doctor) and they didn't even care after finding out. You're acting like women don't like sex with someone they're attracted to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 05:44 AM
1	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa This thread is just men talking about what they think women like. Have a look in the real world. The guys getting all the hot women are the super good looking guys, not the successful nerds. Men project what they like in other men, onto women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 05:42 AM
1	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa Yeah sure if you have top 0.01% money. You're projecting that onto a guy making 300k, where you can't even get a nice home in NYC.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 05:40 AM
1	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa Looks set your league. Money and other things determine how well you do within your league. You're mixing those two things up. You can't date above your league with money. Every single hot woman is with a hot guy. Rich average men are with average women. That's a fact.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 05:39 AM
1	CMV women care about a man's money a lot and more than vice versa I went from low-middle class to wealthy and my dating prospects stayed the same. Thinking money matters a lot is coping. "One day I'll be rich and get the women"	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 05:38 AM
0	Men are affected by the wall 10x worse than women There is always a lot of talk about somehow becoming very desirable as a guy and "gaining value." Whatever that means. Nothing changes. People eventually find a partner similar to themselves but the large majority of guys don't become likeable to women no matter what.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 03:19 AM
2	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? Honestly I don't understand where people see so called unattractive guys with hotties. Every single attractive woman I see is with a hot guy. Doesn't matter if she's 22 or 40. Seems like guys ignore dozens of examples and work hard to find a single outlier to pretend that's the norm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 03:13 AM
1	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? If that were even remotely true, my whole upper class neighborhood would be full of attractive women. The reality is the opposite. Me also going from a below-middle class income to elite upper class income would change my dating prospects. Well guess what? Zero impact. Every hot woman I've known, or know, is looking for the hot guy and that's what they talk about. Hot or exciting and fun. If you really think a 5/10 firm partner making half a million a year is what women dream about, then I have …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 03:11 AM
2	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? If you can actually improve your looks, then yes it has a big impact. Improving financially makes you better on paper, it doesn't do anything in real life. Unless you're going from minimum wage to 75k per year, then yes it does. Go from 75k to 750k and your dating prospects don't change at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 03:08 AM
0	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? completely untrue	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 03:07 AM
2	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? See my other post. I have all the money in the world and it has a near zero impact. I could make 15 times less than I do and my dating prospects would be identical. I know because at one point, I made that much less.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 03:06 AM
2	Is the redpill about generating wealth to be attractive, or is this a misreading? OP I've posted about this in this forum but I'm a millionaire as a physician and women don't care at all. I was dating average looking women when I was 20 and in my 30s, I still date average looking women and get rejected by anyone hotter. If I had a big personality flaw, well I'd be rejected by everyone. Trust me no one cares. It's a nice bonus once they're already into you. women make their own money money only matters if you're a true sugar daddy money talk actually turns off a lot of women	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 03:05 AM
–	Have you noticed that financial status and career status has very little importance now compared to the past? Lol what does that mean in english	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/24 07:25 AM
–	Have you noticed that financial status and career status has very little importance now compared to the past? I don't think this is really true anymore. >95% of attractive women I see are with good looking men and i see them all in LTRs, getting engaged and married. I almost never see this whole beta bucks thing happening. I'm sure it did once upon a time though. I also know people will work hard to find the <5% and pretend that's the norm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/24 06:58 AM
–	Have you noticed that financial status and career status has very little importance now compared to the past? If you mean matters a little bit for LTR, sure. But it's not compensating for looks and lack of chemistry.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/24 06:22 AM
–	Have you noticed that financial status and career status has very little importance now compared to the past? I'm telling you as someone who has been on the middle class side and now upper class, it doesn't matter much at all. I believe it was more holistic before and looks standards were not the same as now. Though even still you need to go further back in time to see that big of a difference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/24 06:11 AM
–	Have you noticed that financial status and career status has very little importance now compared to the past? Maybe I should have clarified that I'm talking about the US and the west. "Abroad" is quite vague, and doesn't count. Marrying abroad is as popular as ever and those hotties at the gym are driven home by rich guys in expensive cars. I see the opposite everywhere. They come in with the chad types almost exclusively. Expensive cars are generally not a good indicator as a lot of younger guys barely make ends meet but pay a lease on a car they can't afford. It's extremely common. Throughout my life …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/24 05:42 AM
–	Have you noticed that financial status and career status has very little importance now compared to the past? I think some guys think that just because women don't want a guy who is literally broke, that it must mean they crave rich men. That's literally not who I see >95% of attractive women date. It's all ordinary guys, financially anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/24 05:36 AM
–	Have you noticed that financial status and career status has very little importance now compared to the past? No my post isn't wrong because I specifically outlined that extremes don't count. No one is realistically going to make 8 million a year or be a B list celebrity. So I quite literally said the extreme ends don't count. Being homeless or ultra rich moves the needle. Being in the middle class/working class gives you the same dating opportunities as being well off does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/24 05:35 AM
–	RP men have this scenario of fuckzoning women they meet in their 30s when they are more stable/affluent, coz they were rejected in their 20s.... I wonder if they are talking about the same women? I wouldn't say bottom 25%. They stay single, period. Even up to 30-40% in many cases, unless they really lower their standards. The average guy is marrying single moms right now. Below average is staying single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/24 03:19 AM
1	RP men have this scenario of fuckzoning women they meet in their 30s when they are more stable/affluent, coz they were rejected in their 20s.... I wonder if they are talking about the same women? chad lite is a 7/10 guy right? That's who they marry in their 30s-40s if not married yet, single moms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/24 01:08 AM
1	RP men have this scenario of fuckzoning women they meet in their 30s when they are more stable/affluent, coz they were rejected in their 20s.... I wonder if they are talking about the same women? Lots of single moms still look good. I've seen them reject lots of decent quality men too. You're saying they go from chad down to chad lite. That's still above average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 07:30 PM
1	RP men have this scenario of fuckzoning women they meet in their 30s when they are more stable/affluent, coz they were rejected in their 20s.... I wonder if they are talking about the same women? Yeah but that's just looking for an excuse. In most places, if you're attractive you'll have options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 07:01 AM
2	The key to long term marriages is woman marrying their equal You consider that scientific evidence?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 05:25 AM
1	RP men have this scenario of fuckzoning women they meet in their 30s when they are more stable/affluent, coz they were rejected in their 20s.... I wonder if they are talking about the same women? This just means if you did well with women at 20, then you'll continue to do so a 28. You don't magically become attractive in your late 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 05:24 AM
4	Men are turned off by women approaching them CMV For hot guys, they do in fact get approached by attractive women. It's just not something average men experience. That's why there would be skepticism. But hot guys do get that. It may not always be an abrupt approach. Could be more subtle and indirect but it does happen a lot. Many times it might be a DM (very common).	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 04:25 AM
2	What’s the most amount of 1st dates you’ve gone on in 1 year? When it comes to 2nd dates. Women will not do a 2nd date largely if they're not attracted to the guy. That's the main reason for not getting a 2nd date. Men will do 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc dates even if they're not attracted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 04:23 AM
1	The key to long term marriages is woman marrying their equal No I disagree. Do you have proof or is this your own opinion with no evidence? Men overestimate themselves, underestimate other men but actually overestimate other women. The opposite of what you're saying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 04:21 AM
3	RP men have this scenario of fuckzoning women they meet in their 30s when they are more stable/affluent, coz they were rejected in their 20s.... I wonder if they are talking about the same women? This is delusional dude. A 28 year old woman can have hundreds of options lined up begging for attention. A 28 year old guy gets 0 attention unless he's literally hot and even then it's from a couple women, not overwhelming options. The ratio is like 100:1. It's not even a close debate in any scenario ever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 04:17 AM
1	RP men have this scenario of fuckzoning women they meet in their 30s when they are more stable/affluent, coz they were rejected in their 20s.... I wonder if they are talking about the same women? On what planet? Any average looking woman is far more desirable than a chad in any age group.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 04:16 AM
1	RP men have this scenario of fuckzoning women they meet in their 30s when they are more stable/affluent, coz they were rejected in their 20s.... I wonder if they are talking about the same women? 27-30 on paper sure. Where do you think you're meeting women though at that age? Also 27-30 is too old for 19-20 for example and if you're closer 30 then you're too old for many women in their early 20s. Above that, many women are taken.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 04:15 AM
4	RP men have this scenario of fuckzoning women they meet in their 30s when they are more stable/affluent, coz they were rejected in their 20s.... I wonder if they are talking about the same women? This is so silly. Every hot girl I knew from when I was younger got married to a chad. The super successful guys got with a 5-6/10, some of whom wear lots of make up to try and look hotter. No one dated or married out of their league. Looks are always #1, barring mental health problems.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/24 04:14 AM
1	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. That's your opinion. It only counts if most people would agree that the person is attractive. Also, why fixate on rare outliers?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 05:22 PM
2	Most women make it incredibly difficult for men to meet and connect with them these days I didn't say any of that, you just said that. Don't put words into what I'm saying. Experiencing anxiety, nervousness and inhibition happens all the time when the woman is interested. But that doesn't mean they won't try to make it easy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 06:28 AM
1	Most women make it incredibly difficult for men to meet and connect with them these days Yes you're right. A lot of guys do overrate themselves but they also underrate other men or ignore novel traits in men. Notice all of the "Oh I know guys who aren't hot but with hot women" comments only come from men. Because they see a guy who is really a 7/10 but don't realize it. But they're 5/10 themselves and think they're a 7.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 06:27 AM
-1	This whole idea of "get with someone you're not attracted to because it's your duty as a citizen" You don't. The real answer is that there's been a shift in society towards having unrealistic beauty standards for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 02:22 AM
3	Most women make it incredibly difficult for men to meet and connect with them these days Few problems with your statement. You're saying 5/10 facewise who is overweight, I assume? A huge number of guys who are also 5/10 would be very receptive actually, even guys who are above 5/10. Many of these guys would be muscular and in good shape. So your statement doesn't make sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 02:19 AM
2	Most women make it incredibly difficult for men to meet and connect with them these days That's why you ignore pills. A lot of people just meet by chance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 02:16 AM
6	Most women make it incredibly difficult for men to meet and connect with them these days How is it not adequate? It explains everything. They make it easy for men they actually want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 02:14 AM
1	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. Some explanations. 1) You're overrating the women 2) Underrating the guys 3) Not accounting for masculinity or the "rugged" look 4) Misunderstanding the scenario 5) Microniche interests 6) Mental health problems, this is a huge one you may be ignoring and yes 6) major outliers You won't find a conventionally attractive woman who is mentally healthy, who likes even an average looking guy even if he's richer. Let alone anything beyond that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/24 05:01 PM
2	Your own attractiveness is static, so raising your standards only makes you less likely to find your partner I can't speak for women, but no; as a man, you're much more likely to find no one and just stay single. Unless you get VERY lucky, then yeah it won't happen. High standards set men up for failure, other than outliers. But hey some people do love to fixate on rare outliers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/24 03:06 AM
1	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. People pair up with someone equal to them looks wise and also socioeconomically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/24 03:03 AM
1	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. How do you define "high status men"? Pro athlete, socialite/influence, celebrity? Yes I agree. Anything other than that? No, I don't see it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/24 03:00 AM
1	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. Why do you say that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/24 02:51 AM
0	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. Context is key here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 05:53 AM
2	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. I'm a multi millionaire as I've explained and it has no impact. It only matters if you're looking to be a sugar daddy and pay women allowances and spend thousands on them every month. Women make their own money. A nurse who makes 90k per year can pair up with a hot guy who makes 70k per year and have a combined income of 160k. That is more appealing than a rich guy who she isn't attracted to. Women are out earning men under 40 and are more educated too. It's not the 50s anymore that they need so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 04:11 AM
1	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. I used to get a dozen or so matches daily when I used apps a lot and now I get about the same if I put any effort in. 1 every couple weeks is quite low... The point is that if you're a 5/10 millionaire, you won't be getting hotties interested in you. You get filtered out because you're a 5/10.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 03:53 AM
3	Men who were undesirable in their youth but managed to become succesful and confident and desirable later on in their life are absolutely entitled to go through a "hoe phase" You're right. Attraction is completely built on genetics. It is not built on anything you can truly control.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 03:51 AM
0	Men who were undesirable in their youth but managed to become succesful and confident and desirable later on in their life are absolutely entitled to go through a "hoe phase" Yeah exactly. Their looksmatch gives them a shot, ultimately because... hey the guy is their looks match after all and has good money. Then it goes from there. I have never seen a guy go from semi incel status to womanizer. Not even a fraction of that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 03:48 AM
2	Men who were undesirable in their youth but managed to become succesful and confident and desirable later on in their life are absolutely entitled to go through a "hoe phase" I honestly can say I have never seen a guy do that. These guys just end up on sugar daddy sites once they acquire the money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 03:47 AM
1	Men who were undesirable in their youth but managed to become succesful and confident and desirable later on in their life are absolutely entitled to go through a "hoe phase" Be realistic. Even if in shape and not bald, the only women those guys are getting are sugar babies. Minus the odd outlier who is genuinely into older guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 03:46 AM
1	Men who were undesirable in their youth but managed to become succesful and confident and desirable later on in their life are absolutely entitled to go through a "hoe phase" My "hoe phase" was in college. Becoming very successful makes it way harder to do the whole hook up thing. Do you mean being a sugar daddy discretely and paying lots of women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 03:44 AM
1	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. Few problems. 1) Match quantity doesn't mean much in this case. In your case it's a lie so you'll never know but how many are truly down to meet and hook up or date? How many will truly follow that? The end success rate is what matters. Yes putting a big title increases success rate on swiping because it makes your profile stand out and she might think "oh interesting." But once she sees a few face pictures or actually sees you in person, nothing else will happen. 2) Obviously your 100x is hyper…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 03:21 AM
1	Men's romantic success depends on their ability to succeed at patriarchy and capitalism Being employed with a half decent income is just a check box. The conventionally good looking guy is always way ahead of everyone. I know people like to compare homeless people to multi millionaires but it's just coping.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 02:43 AM
0	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. You have far less control over your dating success than you do your finances. It's not even a close comparison.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 02:32 AM
0	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. I'm not into any "pills" but yeah getting into the status level that actually matters (which is <0.1%) is probably harder than improving looks. Getting rich can set you up to be a sugar daddy but won't do anything for actual attraction. So it's an irrelevant pursuit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 02:32 AM
0	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. It's not high at all. I started dating in early high school and never had any issues going out with or hooking up with women on my own level or maybe slightly below me in looks. After becoming a doctor, I got a bit lucky with my position as well as investments and ended up in a very high end position socioeconomically. Basically 0 women actually care and I find any money related talk has been an instant turn off.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 02:30 AM
0	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. Status and money won't actually attract anyone though. Notice how men constantly talk about status. The reason is they find it appealing. Women care if you're a pro athlete or a celebrity, sure. Or some microniche they're into. But these are all <0.1% cases. Being a manager making 350k a year is quite literally irrelevant to women. Now if you want to be a sugar daddy, that's different since you're paying for their time. But that is not attraction by any means.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 02:28 AM
11	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. A lot of the traits that lead to success and being rich is genetic, and there's a lot of luck involved. None of those things actually change your dating outcomes though. I'm a 7 figure earner and in my neighborhood, most of the men are with very average looking women. Actually I find quite often the guy is better looking. The rest is just a myth and coping.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 02:26 AM
–	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. Men do not have control over their outcome in dating, at all. Every trait that actually matters in dating is genetic, and maybe to some extent a byproduct of your upbringing. The rest is just coping.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 02:23 AM
1	Men should stop complaining that women value high status men. Unless you're solely talking about elite status (top <0.1% of men), then it's literally not relevant. I'm a high earning doctor, meaning I make very good money even by the most extreme doctor standards, and my dating prospects are unchanged from when I was in college. I still get some attention from average women but I got that when I was 20 and not rich too. Medicine subreddits have lots of "dating sucks" threads too. So yes if a guy who isn't old and making half a million per year is strugglin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/24 02:21 AM
0	Women would finally understand why dating is unfair for many men if job hunting process was similar to men's modern dating experience That's silly. The level of attention any average woman can get on an app is proof of it. The average guy gets bots for matches. So no it's not male standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/24 07:21 PM
1	Women would finally understand why dating is unfair for many men if job hunting process was similar to men's modern dating experience I'm speaking about population level facts. People are having less sex and dating less than before. Standards did go up compared to the past.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/24 06:19 PM
1	Women would finally understand why dating is unfair for many men if job hunting process was similar to men's modern dating experience I'm just comparing to how things were in the past. We know people are dating less, having less sex and getting married less. These are facts. Everything has gotten proportionately harder because standards went up a bit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/24 06:18 PM
-1	Women would finally understand why dating is unfair for many men if job hunting process was similar to men's modern dating experience That's a bit extreme. For one, it's a huge stretch to say most guys even get on the radar of any attractive women, let alone get attention, let alone get interest, let alone get a date and have something come of it. Yes we have the rare outliers who get all the focus but in general it's hot charismatic guys who are succeeding in this category. I think it's more fair to your point to refer to somewhat attractive women. That's where guys who are of decent quality do have to put in immense work to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/24 07:47 AM
2	The girlboss vs gold digger dichotomy and why it harms women As a "super high end guy" in this context, it has a near zero effect on dating prospects compared to being in college and not having money. Real world is not on paper.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/24 05:50 AM
1	Who are the top 20% of men, according to measurable characteristics? I think men just don't understand what a bonus is. Just because women like something, doesn't mean that it'll make them attracted to you. Women like muscles, money, nice clothes and so on. None of those will magically make someone attracted to you. They're bonuses and can enhance existing attraction. It's like nice rims on a car. It can only enhance the car.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/24 07:38 AM
1	Who are the top 20% of men, according to measurable characteristics? Status is not a huge factor in the sense that it's almost entirely relevant for men. Not 100%, but very close to it. Status as in being a partner at a firm or business owner or surgeon or lawyer? Cool, no one cares. At least not nearly enough to sway their attraction on you. Trust me I'm in that group. Status as in pro athlete or truly famous? Yeah this helps. Having a certain niche ? Like a band star. Yeah that can also help quite a bit. The problem is most men don't fall into the latter two ca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/24 07:35 AM
1	Who are the top 20% of men, according to measurable characteristics? The attractive face part is not really attainable for most guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/24 02:58 AM
1	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? I'm completely excluding gold diggers/sugar babies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 05:19 PM
1	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? Yeah he does well in his league. I'm talking about attractive women only. I've known plenty of players who were just tall, thin and looked average but strictly could only attract average women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 04:23 AM
1	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? Money is only relevant when you're paying the woman. Otherwise, it's just a checkbox to have a half decent job. A charismatic 9/10 guy who is 6 feet tall and somewhat fit and makes 60k a year, is hundreds of times more appealing to women than a 5/10 guy who makes 20 million per year.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 03:45 AM
1	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? You would need to pay them still. That does not count.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 03:29 AM
1	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? That's called a sugar baby. Does not count.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 03:28 AM
1	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? I make more than 5 times that and can date 5-6/10 women any day but get rejected by anyone prettier than that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 03:27 AM
2	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? A 6/10 guy will get rejected a lot still. Hard to be a player. An 8/10 guy will have women approaching him. Different world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 03:26 AM
2	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? 6/10 is not enough if you're a player with attractive women. With women in your own league? Yes your post is correct. Otherwise to have that abundance of options you need to be an 8+ in looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 03:26 AM
2	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? Players are all good looking, usually tall but not always. That's all that matters, it's just looks and having charisma/game/personality or whatever you want to call it. Money cannot make you a player. That's impossible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 03:25 AM
1	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? I would say it's more about a guy's appeal to women. That actually does matter in terms of value.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 03:24 AM
1	What is The Minimum Gender Threshold for Unlimited Dating Options? You would need to be a 8/10 in looks, facewise. Money is not relevant, unless you plan to pay the woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 03:22 AM
3	Women like to use restaurant dates as a way to test a man's finances and, to a much lesser extent, their manners. This is all silly. I'm a 7 figure earner and women who are interested will push to split the bill with me and could care less about this stuff. This is all mental gymnastics for guys who can't attract others.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/24 03:20 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Couple things to remember. If you have flaws like the nose or have significant balding, you're likely below average in attractiveness. Fixing those flaws likely just elevates one to average. A jawline filler can help a bit, along with a chin implant. But these procedures are almost never making someone attractive. Remember, most average guys who get rejected for their looks don't have any legitimate flaws. Over correction can also be very obvious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/24 04:49 AM
1	There’s a reason why regular women do not want to date a man who has used the service of a lot of escorts, and no, it’s not just the possibility of STD That's an anecdote. Almost every guy I've known that uses escorts is subpar or average looking and wants hotter women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/24 01:59 AM
1	There’s a reason why regular women do not want to date a man who has used the service of a lot of escorts, and no, it’s not just the possibility of STD Some do yes. That's another reason why being rich and successful actually makes everything harder.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/24 01:59 AM
1	There’s a reason why regular women do not want to date a man who has used the service of a lot of escorts, and no, it’s not just the possibility of STD That's a myth	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/24 01:49 AM
1	There’s a reason why regular women do not want to date a man who has used the service of a lot of escorts, and no, it’s not just the possibility of STD No paying shows the inability to get sex with someone attractive. If you're not conventionally good looking, it is generally impossible barring outliers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/24 01:47 AM
1	There’s a reason why regular women do not want to date a man who has used the service of a lot of escorts, and no, it’s not just the possibility of STD On a personal level, I'm strongly opposed to paying for sex in any shape or form. But that's personal. Help me understand why someone doing it is a loser though? That is quite literally the only way for many men to have sex with someone they find attractive. Most guys are not 7/10 in looks and that option is closed off to them without paying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/24 01:47 AM
1	Men say they are criticized for having high standards but it seems they are criticized for having low standards as well? There are a massive number of people out there who will sell men the idea that "confidence" and other silly stuff can make a 5/10 guy attractive to IG models or whoever else they want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/24 01:44 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Plastic surgery and fillers don't have the same effect on men. I'm a physician myself and have dabbled in cosmetic medicine. Even in very skilled and talented hands, it could look obvious. That is not necessarily accepted in society. Men can get botox and erase some signs of aging but that's about it. Keeping in mind erasing signs of aging does not mean you go above your baseline attractiveness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/24 01:42 AM
1	Both cities and the country have advantages and disadvantages for dating The risk is higher overseas	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/24 04:55 PM
1	I think some people don’t realize they don’t love their partner until they end the relationship and experience somebody they truly desire Yeah I would agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/24 04:54 PM
1	I think some people don’t realize they don’t love their partner until they end the relationship and experience somebody they truly desire Love and lust and attraction are just brain chemicals. Lusting someone is a dopamine rush. Oxytocin comes in for that love bonding feeling. It can then happen again and again too. But your brain's receptors become less response to these chemicals over the years. Some partners induce stronger levels of these chemicals while some induce less.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/24 01:21 AM
0	I think some people don’t realize they don’t love their partner until they end the relationship and experience somebody they truly desire So what is love then? People over think this in the west and we have massive divorce rates despite apparently being so wise and knowing what "love" is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/24 01:20 AM
1	I think some people don’t realize they don’t love their partner until they end the relationship and experience somebody they truly desire Dopamine, oxytocin, endorphins. It's all brain chemicals. Yes they're different but having lust for someone can also lead to love very quickly. What do you think falling in love even means?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/24 01:19 AM
2	Both cities and the country have advantages and disadvantages for dating Passport bros also get scammed, kidnapped and robbed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/24 01:17 AM
1	Both cities and the country have advantages and disadvantages for dating Rural leaning (not very small town) can be easier for men if you're the right "type." You can outperform your looks to a small degree and do well if you're a 6/10 for example. In the city? Good luck with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/07/24 01:16 AM
3	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. I'm average but fit. It does not improve your options. Keep in mind I have options and always have. We are talking about improving your prospects.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 06:44 AM
0	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. Right But in the past, the "whole package" gave men a degree of a halo effect. It enhanced your attractiveness. Now? It does not do that anymore.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 06:43 AM
1	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. So they're handsome lol. You left out the most important part. If they were average looking, they would get zero attention period. You can't just work towards being handsome, it's not in your control. As a guy, being a 7/10 with tons of other qualities is better than being a 8/10 with nothing else. But a 5/10 isn't even on the radar.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 04:27 AM
1	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. But "mean peak at 35 bro" lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 04:25 AM
3	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. Of course it matters, at least education level does. If the guy himself is educated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 04:25 AM
1	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. Gym and clothes add very little.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 04:24 AM
3	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. Personality traits are genetic and also a product of your upbringing. Neither of which you can control.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 04:24 AM
2	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. It's true that men do not age like wine. But standards have gone up, we literally have statistics that prove there are more single men than ever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 04:23 AM
2	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. We all have a tendency to apply our biases. The young attractive guys are the ones who would be sleeping with them. The "older rich guys" would get something if they paid for it. Unless they were all escorts, which it sounds like they might have been? Then there is zero chance an older guy would get attention.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 04:21 AM
3	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. With no improvement in the quality of prospects. Yes I'm aware the sheer quantity of single people compared to your 30s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 04:03 AM
3	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. I didn't say I can't find a partner. I said my prospects did not improve because your prospects are purely a byproduct of your looks and charisma/personality only.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 04:02 AM
3	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. Yes but companionship and sex are still biological needs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 04:01 AM
1	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. The issue is that the volume of rejections to success has grown a lot. This is not how it used to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 01:11 AM
2	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. None of those is attracting women. Quite literally a nice face and charisma with a 1 bed apartment is going to satisfy what women want. The issue is good luck just getting a nice face with charisma.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 01:02 AM
2	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. Standards have become skewed. Social media exposes people to attractive men/women a lot. It raises standards. Also women used to be finances in a much more attractive fashion than now. Men have now lost the halo effect that came with success.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 01:01 AM
11	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. Women look for a guy with a nice face and top notch personality. That's literally it. The problem is satisfying those two things is mostly genetic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 01:00 AM
3	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. 1) " has no problem" is false. Unless you mean over a span of many years the average guy finds someone. You forgot the rejections along the way. 2) lots of self improvement talk and other things are based around dating above your looksmatch.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 12:59 AM
22	Women's standards aren't high the average man has nothing of value to offer. I strongly disagree and I'm proof of that. I'm fit, and very wealthy by doctor standards in my 30s, but I have less dating options than I did in college. I do however appeal to average looking women so it's not like my personality is a big turn off. I know many examples similar to myself. If we went back even 15 years in time, it would be way different. Standards have gone up immensely the past decade. Women just stopped caring about everything else and now only care about looks and personality.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 12:58 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men 6-6.5 means firmly above average so that's very different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 06:32 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men No because it's not a sum game where you add things up. The first step is looks and personality/charisma. No one is looking at everything else until you met those thresholds. If I had some big flaws, I would not be appealing to average looking fit educated women. Likewise I wouldn't have been appealing to them either in my 20s. Money/career/muscles have very little impact in that the before and after is essentially the same. I see the same with other doctors too when they're rejected by women wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 03:55 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men I said 5-6. So lots of women could think I'm average looking face wise. I'm also not awkward socially but just average personality wise. You're just overestimating how much money helps. Get into the details, how do you think it exactly is a game changer? A 7-8/10 woman will be attracted to and lust for men who are also 7-8/10. Without that attraction and lust, not much happens.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 03:30 AM
–	It’s 2024. “Go to the gym” and “be confident and maintain frame” is the new “buy her flowers and hold open doors” The amount of muscle that's broadly attractive to women is not really that much of a game changer, at all. It's just a small variable that gets too much attention.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 01:51 AM
–	It’s 2024. “Go to the gym” and “be confident and maintain frame” is the new “buy her flowers and hold open doors” Yet every bodybuilder or physique guy admits that close to 100% of his instagram stats are from men, and not women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 01:50 AM
–	It’s 2024. “Go to the gym” and “be confident and maintain frame” is the new “buy her flowers and hold open doors” That's actually the problem with some women who argue that looks don't matter. They may actually mean it. But to them, looks not mattering = muscular, in great shape and lean, tall, decent bone structure facially. Basically a 6-6.5/10 guy with a nice body is average	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 01:47 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men No I'm 5-6/10 but body wise I'm quite muscular and very lean as well. I was a more solid 6 facewise when I was in my early 20s and hence it was easier. I don't think it boosts anything nowadays. Women have their own money and jobs. They aren't settling for a guy they don't find physically attractive, bottom line. I can attract very average looking women all day long, just like I could 10 years ago. Good looking ones? Not at all. I would say that any guy who isn't good looking also cannot with mo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 01:44 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Lol. I never said it was because of that. That wouldn't even make any sense. I'm just saying it plays a very minor role. A 6'3 conventionally good looking guy who makes 50k a year is still far more appealing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 05:25 PM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men I think you misunderstood. I go on dates a lot, just have issues with women I actually find attractive. A resident is a doctor who is under supervision. A medical student is still in school. But yes the closer to early 20s, the "easier" it was compared to now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 04:13 PM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men I make 7 figures. I've done locums in small towns. Honestly location is not as big of a deal as many think. Small areas = less people but also less competition Big areas = more people and more competition	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 04:08 PM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men You're writing this story to fit your own narrative. I'm a doctor and my work setting is majority women, of whom I get along with very well too. I don't know what you want me to say though. On here people talk about career and money as if you turn 35 and you're worth 6 million dollars and you're the most appealing guy in the room just by default.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 05:37 AM
4	Why haven’t more men quit the market? Using your drive thru example. If that's the only place with food , well you'd still stay in line.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 01:35 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Because it's a lot of the pick up artist "confidence" stuff. Being promised that if you do certain things, you can attract women out of your league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 01:33 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men Everything I'm listing must be a game changer for it to matter. Are you suggesting that muscles can take a guy from near-incel status to being well liked by women? If so, why so many incel bodybuilders?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 01:32 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men That's true. That's why the population at large dates and gets married eventually or something along those lines. But we're discussing the self improvement community here, which is a different story.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 01:31 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men How do you know that though? Keep in mind I have extensive dating experience too. If you think it takes more than nice clothes, nice car and a nice house, then I'm not sure what to say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 01:30 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men Comfortable shoes	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 01:29 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men Your fist line is definitely right. The second part, ultimately what happens is you'll find the overwhelming vast majority of successful men date and marry their looksmatch. I know the sugar daddy examples are what people see online (ex. old Patriots coach and his girlfriend) but those are obvious and also outliers too. For every guy like that, there are hundreds of other rich men including ones in their 30s and 40s, who are with average looking women. Granted educated and more intelligent women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 01:29 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men Because it doesn't, in the real world. At least not in any true sense. I'm very successful and had better dating prospects in college. I can say the same for every male colleague as well, if you do an objective and realistic observation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 01:24 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men Conventionally attractive where the population at large would have consensus agreement on it. That's the definition used here. I've heard those comments too but ultimately, it's always couples who are actually looked matched. Just because 1 or 2 friends think otherwise, does not make it true. Just use the definition of conventionally attractive where most people would agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 01:22 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men It really doesn't. Maybe 0.5. Whenever I've discussed this with women, the response is, "yeah but he needs a nice face too."	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 05:57 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men So I actually didn't complain. I also didn't talk about hypergamy. I'm talking about the audience that the self improvement community targets.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 05:56 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men Because I'm going off available evidence. A firm manager making 175k is not dating out of his league. That refutes your point. But to say having a good job is "attractive" on its own, sure. But just because something is attractive, does not mean it changes much. I'm interested in what is truly a game changer and genuinely alters the outcome. Ex. 5/10 guy going from occasional dates to lots of dates with women out of his league. That's game changing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 03:09 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Appealing in your league, yes. Nothing's wrong with it but the self improvement community is not at all in line with looksmatching.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 03:07 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men I think the end point is that having visible muscles does not take you from a 4-5/10 to a 7-8/10.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 03:07 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men So weightlifters should have major appeal to women by that definition.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 03:06 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men Mentally healthy, I just said that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 03:06 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Botox and fillers are extremely common. Did you not know that? Other cosmetic work is also very common. It's not a huge step at all, it's a very common step.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 03:05 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Health = / = looks	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 03:04 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men "I do it for myself" Lol Would anyone workout or do anything at all if they were the last person in the world? Self improvement is quite literally for everyone else. Women don't wear makeup if they live alone and are home alone all day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 03:04 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men What do you mean?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:59 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men Keep in mind I didn't say I'm struggling with finding someone. I've been on lots of dates and pretty much keeping in line with my goals. With that said, everyone I go out with is very average looking and I do struggle to find someone I'm physically into. It was actually much easier in my early 20s. But I do have lots of dating experience. Why does it blow your mind though? I am curious to know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:59 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men You realize I'm a doctor right, I mentioned in my other posts. A very high earning one as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:56 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men I guess sure, "care" about muscles is not the same as elevating you from a 4/10 to 7/10. We're talking about game changer traits, not this is good or bad. Professional status is another thing. It has an impact if you're someone without professional status looking in from the outside. I'm a doctor in my 30s and have dating prospects, but not nearly as good as when I was in college.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:55 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men "You're wrong" is not really a response in a debate. Your post has no substance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:53 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men Lots of things are attractive sure. But those things you mentioned won't suddenly make a 5/10 guy appealing to an 8/10 woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:50 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men What happens in the real world is that lots of self improvement attempts get made and the dating prospects do not change. Self improvement is usually targeted at average men wanting attractive women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:49 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Thanks for agreeing	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:47 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men "Defeatist" mindset is not the same as being realistic. You want to be told that you can date supermodels?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:46 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men You don't think attractive women want an attractive male partner?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:43 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men It's not a game changer. There are quite literally massive numbers of incels who are bodybuilders.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:41 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men I think the entire idea of "I have muscles and not fat so I'm top whatever %" is silly and highly misleading. Zero from zero is zero. Guys who have all the muscles and zero success, are at zero despite being in whatever top percentile they thought they're in. It's like in the business world where some younger entrepreneurs think if they capture just 0.1% of a mutli billion dollar industry that they'll be rich. Never works out like that. Average looking face is still average with or without muscl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:26 AM
4	Self improvement is quite limited for men If there's no physical attraction then that turns into a friend zone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:22 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men All of those things make you an appealing partner in your league. It does not make you attractive by any means.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:21 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men The underlying message is the same. Targeting average men who want hot women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:21 AM
7	Self improvement is quite limited for men Biggest mistake is assuming the thread is about me, it is not. It's a discussion. The main point is that genetics are what matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:20 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Leagues are just observations. They aren't literal. You would never see a looks mismatched couple if you only look at normal and mentally healthy people. Hence, leagues.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:19 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men What's the point?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:16 AM
8	Self improvement is quite limited for men Yes that does work. Keep in mind plastic surgery doesn't work for all men. It's a viable option but only for some. The outcomes aren't consistent. It also only really works when there are fixable flaws. A lot of men are 5/10 range but don't have any truly fixable things, aside from perhaps jawline. But anyway I'm glad you pointed out how critically important looks can be for dating and how much of an impact it has. Had you not done that, you'd be told some bs about "confidence" or "game" and get…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:14 AM
7	Self improvement is quite limited for men Lol haha oh come on. So a guy has to spend 5 years versus 1 class?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:12 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men I agree about the part of it being relevant to the woman's life. That's actually key but really that means your status fits the other side's interests.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:10 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men You keep ignoring the cosmetics part. An average looking woman who gets in shape, gets cosmetic work done and has full make up on will improve significantly. A guy being fit doesn't make you attractive if your face is still a 5/10.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:09 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men How exactly? Relative to my OP.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:08 AM
5	Self improvement is quite limited for men I would argue that getting your foot in the door is the second date and not the first. The first date might just be luck or a fluke or she's bored and your timing is good. The second date is where you've almost proven there's physical attraction. Finding dates may get easier as you get older in some ways, but the quality goes down compared to your 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:07 AM
5	Self improvement is quite limited for men I'm not into any "pills"	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:05 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men Leagues are determined by looks though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:39 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men Those are extremes. I'm saying a truly good looking guy with a very average body is far more appealing than a shredded muscular guy with a 5/10 face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:38 AM
3	Self improvement is quite limited for men The magnitude of improvement is miniscule compared to make up and cosmetics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:37 AM
8	Self improvement is quite limited for men I'm in the highest earning percentile for physicians and trust me it has minimal impact. I had better prospects when I was in college.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:24 AM
1	Self improvement is quite limited for men Self improvement topics are aimed at average men wanting to date hot women. What you're saying is, you'll date someone within your league if you do everything right. I mean gee I hope so?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:24 AM
9	Self improvement is quite limited for men Make up, cosmetics, optimal clothing. That has a massive impact for women as far as looks go. For men, you can try hard and you might go from a 5 to a 5.5.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:22 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men Mostly overrated and niche.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:21 AM
5	Self improvement is quite limited for men Self improvement stuff is usually aimed at average men wanting hot women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:21 AM
5	Self improvement is quite limited for men I'm quite muscular. It's generally non-muscular men who think it helps a lot. Everyone else on the other side knows it has minimal impact. You think the chad type of men are not fit?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:20 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men But did you date men truly below your league?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:19 AM
2	Self improvement is quite limited for men Yeah I guess I excluded very niche things like height enhancing surgery. Keep in mind certain types of status also hand cuffs you. If you run for office but are out hitting on women, that somehow becomes a scandal within 2 days.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:18 AM
–	Over 85 percent of dating problems would solve itself if women didn’t go for men out of their league. Keep in mind if these women have lots of options, why would they settle? If you got offered jobs paying 250k, but your education level and skillset was more in proportion with jobs paying 150k, would you decline the higher paying job?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 06:41 AM
–	Over 85 percent of dating problems would solve itself if women didn’t go for men out of their league. For men, dating/long term counts. In today's age, getting long term dates are also very hard for men too. Lots of men out there want commitment from any woman at all and struggle with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 06:33 AM
–	Over 85 percent of dating problems would solve itself if women didn’t go for men out of their league. This is very true, assuming you don't have some isolated red flag.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 06:31 AM
–	Over 85 percent of dating problems would solve itself if women didn’t go for men out of their league. Mostly looks and to some extent a combination of personality and social status (your popularity, how "cool" you are, how well liked you are). For men, height also plays a role. For men it's also mostly things you cannot control. Things you can control play very little if any role in your league (for men). Usually the 2+ point gaps, which almost never happen in genuine relationships, are why leagues are a real thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 06:31 AM
–	Over 85 percent of dating problems would solve itself if women didn’t go for men out of their league. Yes... escorts do not count obviously. One night stands also do not unless you're constantly hooking up with very attractive people. But dating, including flings/short term does count. That's how you know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 06:28 AM
–	Over 85 percent of dating problems would solve itself if women didn’t go for men out of their league. That's why your league is about who will actually be interested in you. A quick one night stand doesn't count, since that can be due to luck and timing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 06:26 AM
–	Over 85 percent of dating problems would solve itself if women didn’t go for men out of their league. It's the face dude. Being fit and dressing nicely does not = attractive, at least not for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 06:23 AM
–	Over 85 percent of dating problems would solve itself if women didn’t go for men out of their league. I think transparency across the board would be good.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 06:22 AM
1	Why do people think it’s so wrong to pay a sex worker for sex? That's true but there is some overlap.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/24 03:55 AM
1	One possible reason why dating is so hard for single men: single men are competing against married men. A hot tall cool guy making 50k a year is enough for a 8/10 woman who makes 75-80k per year.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/24 03:55 AM
1	One possible reason why dating is so hard for single men: single men are competing against married men. why jump to unemployed? You could have a mediocre job and not be a prisoner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 03:47 AM
1	One possible reason why dating is so hard for single men: single men are competing against married men. It's both. You need the hot face and cool personality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 03:09 AM
1	One possible reason why dating is so hard for single men: single men are competing against married men. Because it's mostly about looks and being cool. Not your employment status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 03:09 AM
1	One possible reason why dating is so hard for single men: single men are competing against married men. Uh huh...	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 03:08 AM
1	One possible reason why dating is so hard for single men: single men are competing against married men. Yeah OP you're right. It makes it way more difficult.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 03:06 AM
4	Men care too much about women's approval and getting laid. Some people are trying to bypass this it seems.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 03:04 AM
1	Why do people think it’s so wrong to pay a sex worker for sex? On the clock means she's trying to rush you to finish and unless she has great acting skills, it would be extremely obvious she is not attracted to you. Even if she has good acting skills, you'd know she is not into you at all physically. How is that appealing to you? If you're trying to get laid you need: 1) good looks or 2) low standards If you want attractive women only, then yes you have to pay unless you're hot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 03:02 AM
–	Its insane how much status a beautiful woman can give you Philosophy and biology are not the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 02:35 AM
6	Why do people think it’s so wrong to pay a sex worker for sex? That's mental gymnastics. People hook up all the time without a dollar spent on either side. People go on several cheap dates before getting into a fling. I'm not talking about morals. But having sex with someone who has you on the clock and wants you gone asap is not even comparable to someone who actually wants you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 01:58 AM
1	Why do people think it’s so wrong to pay a sex worker for sex? How are you pretending?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 01:55 AM
6	Why do people think it’s so wrong to pay a sex worker for sex? The other person wanting you, initiating sex, spontaneously becoming affectionate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 01:55 AM
6	Why do people think it’s so wrong to pay a sex worker for sex? If that works for the person, great. I think most people want genuine desire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 01:54 AM
–	Its insane how much status a beautiful woman can give you The only purpose of biological life is reproduction. The drive to reproduce is innate and induces the human need for sex. I think what you're saying is to dismiss natural innate biological urges, quite literally the meaning and purpose of life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 01:47 AM
1	Its insane how much status a beautiful woman can give you Not really. Being curvy or thicker but with a pretty face is way ahead of a thin with very average face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/24 04:36 AM
3	Its insane how much status a beautiful woman can give you Here's the issue. You can do all of that, get zero dates and get rejected. Then what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/24 03:26 AM
2	Its insane how much status a beautiful woman can give you You have very little control over it. Your looks are mostly determined by genetics and you quite literally cannot go from average to hot. Your personality is heavily pre determined as well. Your height, well that's obvious. I had decent dating prospects in my teens and college years. I've always been in excellent shape and pretty muscular. I'm in my 30s and a doctor but also a very high income one. My dating prospects are quite a bit worse now. Why? Because the dating pool is smaller, standards …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/24 03:25 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction But how do you know? Really this is more men comparing themselves to other men. So many guys out there will just assume they're a 7/10 at minimum. In reality, they are 5/10 at the most. But they'll see guys who are a 7 and think those guys are average. You see it on here even with guys who say they're a 8/10 but complain about their dating prospects. You can't be a 8 and have issues getting dates or hook ups. Unless there's some massive outlier thing going on, like being 5'2 tall or having an ex…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/24 03:19 AM
1	The bar is on the ground for men is an incredibly toxic statement Height is honestly a pretty small part compared to facial aesthetics. Lots of 5'8 guys out there who are very good looking have smoking hot partners. meanwhile there are 6'4 incels in their 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/24 03:19 AM
0	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? I disagree about facing immense number of rejections or even any significant number of rejections across a lifetime. Not even close to true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 04:04 PM
2	The bar is on the ground for men is an incredibly toxic statement No I'm telling that poster what attractive women like.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 04:03 PM
2	The bar is on the ground for men is an incredibly toxic statement My friends who are models or got out of it recently (men), have their DM inbox blown up by women and get hundreds of Tinder matches and have too many messages to reply to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:18 AM
0	The bar is on the ground for men is an incredibly toxic statement You're right but keep in mind if a guy has a 8+/10 face, it actually is extremely easy at that point. Women approach you, chase you and make it very easy. If you're just a bit above average and have a stacked resume, then yes it's still hard like you explain. 8 pack abs, a good job and being tall does not really move the needle as much as you think it does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:17 AM
4	The bar is on the ground for men is an incredibly toxic statement But people don't say this out loud. I think how easy attractive guys have it is kept quiet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:14 AM
2	The bar is on the ground for men is an incredibly toxic statement So many extreme examples. Why is it always mcdonalds cashier? At least that's better than homeless. Keep it realistic. It's not hard to have a decent job in your lifetime. As a guy that satisfies requirements for most women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:13 AM
15	The bar is on the ground for men is an incredibly toxic statement Being a good looking tall bad boy is what almost all attractive women like and go for. You can't compete with that no matter what.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:11 AM
0	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? The thread topic was not about danger and risk. It's the context of attraction and appeal and nothing else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:08 AM
0	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? I do not care one bit if you don't believe it... "SMV" is just a made up concept. There's no such thing. Unless purely in observational terms. What about all the women I've seen who strongly argue that a man's income does not change his attractiveness by much? Yes being homeless and mega rich are extremes that do change your attractiveness, but this is more speaking to ordinary people. The take home point is that men can barely change their appeal to men beyond the basics (hygiene, decent clothi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:08 AM
0	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? Most of it is not in your control. As a man, things you can control and change make up a small percentage of your appeal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:01 AM
0	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? Oh cmon. Men, even if good quality men, have to face an immense number of rejections. he doesn't have to devote that long because there is not much he can change. What do you expect men to do? Their hair? Makeup? I fully understand women's issues but please stay on topic of this specific thread.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:00 AM
2	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? Sounds like a bunch of angry men who are wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 02:20 PM
4	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? I make 7 figures as I've mentioned on here and it has not changed my "SMV." Men cannot age backwards either. Men do not age like wine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 02:20 PM
2	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? I would argue that it's a whole different category. That is not the same debate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 02:16 PM
1	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? That's an additional side statement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 03:24 AM
0	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? No because the question of the thread is not your personal beliefs but rather speaking broadly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 03:08 AM
2	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? I never said this is exclusively for those using dating apps. You did.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 03:07 AM
13	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 03:06 AM
8	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? I don't agree. You and others you know may not have those personal views, but a lot of women will think that other women do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 02:14 AM
1	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? I said 20s, not just college. All men who are 30, will have been in their 20s at some point. How can it be niche if it applies to all men? My first point quite literally encompasses all men. For my second point, I actually make a lot more than that so it's maybe a personal take on it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 02:07 AM
1	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? What?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 02:05 AM
10	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? How is that possible if most guys can't even get laid for months at a time?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 02:04 AM
1	Sexless men should honestly take their chances and approach as many women as possible I actually do some of those things. But keep in mind the forum we're on and the topic of discussion. I'm staying in the context of that discussion. Wealth can make you into a sugar daddy but that's it. Unless you're also famous, then you're more of a pseudo sugar daddy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 04:00 PM
1	Sexless men should honestly take their chances and approach as many women as possible As someone who has career and wealth in his 30s, what do you think happens next?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 01:30 AM
4	What US women want is a fantasy There's not really anything to do necessarily. This is just observational. If we go back even 15 years, a guy who was in good shape and looked alright/average range, not too short, had a good career and so on, could definitely find someone on his own level. Now? He might, but it's way harder and many of these guys get left out. It's no longer holistic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 01:26 AM
-1	What US women want is a fantasy This is not true. No one is seeing 7-8/10 men as 5s... Facially attractive guys who are 7-8/10 have lots of attractive options. It's more that a lot of guys who are 5s think they're hot because they got a haircut and worked out for 6 months.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 01:24 AM
1	What US women want is a fantasy Not really. Expectations on paper = / = real life choices. Just being hot and cool is enough for a guy to succeed with many hot women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 01:21 AM
4	Why "just date someone from your social circle" is often poor advice for nerdy, socially awkward, sexless men and why cold-approaching as many women as possible is better Not true. If you're a professional, it can create rumors and gossip and also have negative impacts on your career. There can definitely be consequences for a failed approach.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/24 12:58 AM
2	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. That's called the peak male. Makes 160k as a firm manager and all the women want him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 02:43 AM
2	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. "Being attractive" is not something that is attainable for most men. But yes you do need to be attractive lol. I have lots of real life experience. I started dating in early high school, I did the whole college partying thing, I was in a frat, I went to medical school, I did various dating apps and have had lots of partners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 02:42 AM
2	Women's high standards are mostly talk That's not how it works. You can't just add up attributes on paper like an equation and pretend that it gets you to the promise land of success. It's like when people start a business and just think that capturing 1% of the market will make them a millionaire. Doesn't work like that. What happens is if a guy looks average range and loses weight, he'll still come off as average looking in most cases to women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 02:39 AM
2	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. Not sure what country you're in. I'm a doctor (in the US) and >90% of women could care less. Honestly most don't care the slightest. Almost all of my male doctor colleagues are married to normal looking but educated women. There's the odd guy, maybe 1 in 20, who's married to someone slightly better looking but all of the ones that come to mind are also 6'3+ tall and very charismatic. And they're 5-6/10 in looks married to someone who is a 7ish. If you're in a country in Asia I can see how over t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/24 02:35 AM
2	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. In real life, dating is not a resume submission. Yes on paper a well rounded mid 30s guy looks great. But the 8/10 woman making 75k a year might have intense lust for a blue collar guy making 60k who is also an 8/10 and has a good connection with her. You might be able to compete if you're also an 8/10. If you're average looking range? You have zero chance. You're right about the connection part but that won't happen with a guy below their league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 05:51 AM
1	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. You living it, n=1 What matters is what's realistic for men at large. SMV is mostly pre determined and there's little you can do to change it. Your looks, height, frame, personality are all genetic largely. Other things you can control are things that men like in other men. I quite literally see hot nurses making >120k/year right now dating construction workers/barbers/tradeworkers. Looks are extremely important for men even in your 30s and beyond.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 05:48 AM
1	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. Honestly almost all men watch porn. This is one topic where it's pretty concrete.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:57 AM
1	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. It's just a fantasy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:56 AM
4	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. Be careful. You're going to get lectured that men peak at 50!	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:55 AM
3	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. So why do you think being in good shape at 35 makes you able to outcompete a hot tall 25 year old who is in just as good shape?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:54 AM
1	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. If you're super good looking, of course that happens. So you have model tier looks, were sleeping with below average looking women or are lying. One of those 3 things is true and none are applicable to most guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:45 AM
0	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. If they're hot, of course they will.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:43 AM
3	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. 2-4 year age gap is accurate. "successful established" just means having a career/house/car but that's a checkbox requirement. It does not give you any sort of advantage. you still need the physical attraction part.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:43 AM
2	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. It's not impossible at all. It's just uncommon. Also, it's still your looksmatch.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:41 AM
3	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. It doesn't mean you become attractive to women though just because you "become a man." The overwhelming vast majority of women in their 20s are into the hot cool guy. If you somehow become a hot cool guy in your 30s, it's become you massively underachieved in your 20s. Those are generally outliers. Guys who didn't get laid in college don't suddenly become sex symbols.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:39 AM
3	I think men are being gaslighted when they're told that a man who has his shit together cannot find a younger woman to date. I'm in my 30s, physician and very well off financially, in good shape and dating is much harder than my early 20s. I get a fair bit of interest from women in their late 20s and up (average looking only) but zero interest from younger.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:37 AM
0	Women's high standards are mostly talk Pull it off consistently? Sure. But attractive guys are literally who sleep with all of the hot women. Those overweight guys are not pulling lots of women. They tell you they are and post photos with women to look like they do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 04:26 AM
3	Women's high standards are mostly talk Regarding your OP, "above average" for a guy could still be a 7/10. That's not really attainable for a lot of men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 03:23 AM
0	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame Nothing. I'm saying that women won't admit it out loud.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/24 03:18 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction Until they hit their 30s, which is above the average age of marriage. Women are not meeting their future husbands over age 30. It happens in their mid 20s or earlier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 02:47 PM
1	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame Not true, it actually means he's average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 02:46 PM
2	Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating. That's true. But to say that you should be happy with no women at all is detached from reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:58 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction But why is it relevant for most men?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:57 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction That's why it isn't relevant. How many guys will become famous musicians? How many will become a pro athlete star? It has zero relevance for >99.99% of men. There are more billionaires in this country than there are star athletes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:46 AM
3	Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating. There are lots of bodybuilder incels out there and lots of good looking guys who get laid all the time with hot women who never workout.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:45 AM
3	Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating. I would say the main issue is too many average looking men are struggling with women in their own league nowadays. A guy who is a 5/10 having to put in extreme amounts of work to get a couple dates with women who are also 5/10 range, is a bit odd. Many eventually succeed but the number of men who do not has gone up a lot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:44 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction The ones I've seen with attractive women do have pretty decent looking faces at minimum. In fact i'd say above average. The skinny pale geeky part has zero relevance. It's strictly the facial aesthetics. I don't disagree that some average looking ones are out there with women above their league but yes they're famous and it's a very small niche.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:42 AM
2	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction He's a 4-5/10 objectively. Are you saying most men in their 60s look way better than he does? Really? Do you even know what the average 60+ year old looks good?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:39 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction The women who are "attracted to lifestyle/security" in 2024 are escorts/sugar babies. It's done dude, this isn't the 80s or 90s anymore. Even 2000s-2010s I would believe it to a small extent. But women out earning men is a real thing now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:37 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction It used to be but not anymore.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:35 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction It's attractive yes but it will not make someone like you. If you're dominating a niche or a certain field that a single woman is in, it'll get her attention for sure. But she still has to find you physically attractive. You can have a 200 page CV but it won't mean anything if you don't meet the looks threshold.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:33 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction It's the halo effect. But few things to remember... hot celebrities, truly are good looking men underestimate others' looks and overestimate their own average looking pro athletes are very tall and in excellent shape many celebrities are not appealing to large percentages of women	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:31 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction Money does not make a 8/10 woman turned on by a 5/10 guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:29 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction Money does not make a 8/10 woman turned on by a 5/10 guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:29 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction The musicians are also good looking themselves. If not, the women they're with won't be good looking either. Only pro athletes bypass looks requirements. But even still many athletes are quite handsome. If they're average looking and their girlfriend or wife is hot, there's a very high chance they're also 6'5 and in excellent shape.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:28 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction Yeah I think these guys forgot to look at those musicians' faces before commenting. The setting is just an avenue for them meeting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:25 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction You're 100% right that lack of it kills attraction. That's quite important for sure. Rest of your post is also top notch.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:23 AM
1	Attraction to money and status is NOT real attraction Niche statuses are not really relevant for >99% of men though. If you're an adult, what are the odds you'll get into a niche and be good at it? Also how many of those musicians are average looking with hot girlfriends? Close to 0. The type of status that truly bypasses looks are pro athletes and being a A and maybe B list celebrity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:22 AM
3	Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating. Not the total measure of your self worth, sure. But the inability to attract a partner does reflect on one's self worth though. To a major extent. The entire purpose of humans is to produce offspring, at least from a biologic standpoint. If a man cannot attract a partner, which is necessary to produce offspring, then that does reflect on his self worth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:15 AM
2	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame I'm not sure. I think transparency would be helpful. A lot of women don't openly admit that they want a guy with a very attractive face unless it's privately with female friends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:13 AM
1	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame I think there's a case to be made for guys who are jacked and dress nicely with good hair cuts and do everything right but complain about dating prospects being very overweight or non-existent. You underestimate how much effort guys put into looksmaxing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:11 AM
2	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame But why is it so hard now and it wasn't nearly as hard 25 years ago? Heck even 10-15 years ago it was not as hard. I think social media and dating apps have just dragged standards up to pretty unrealistic levels. I can say as a male doctor in my 30s, I quite literally had it much easier as a college student. Even back in 2010, I recall doctors I knew in their early 30s who looked quite similar to me now, having very high levels of success. Nothing like what it was in the 70s or 80s but you were …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:10 AM
6	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame It's not that straightforward, especially since we have studies and data now. Today specifically, more people are single. Less marriages, less relationships, less casual sex, more virgins. Yes a lot of people will pair with someone on their own level eventually. But more people than in previous decades, will not. That's the primary issue. A lot of what you see in society is also skewed by those who are a little older. People in their 40s and even 30s to some extent are not really facing the same…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 01:04 AM
1	When looking for dating advice, the best people to give it would be those who are not that different from you when it comes to attractiveness, but has been more successful than you to get a decent partner People also do a poor job of judging their own attractiveness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 12:58 AM
1	When looking for dating advice, the best people to give it would be those who are not that different from you when it comes to attractiveness, but has been more successful than you to get a decent partner Until you find out the arranged marriage is just to get a passport. I've lost track of how many fake marriage stories I've heard where the guy thought he's getting a much hotter wife, only for her to come from abroad and have a secret chad-tier boyfriend locally while she awaits her passport.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 12:56 AM
1	When looking for dating advice, the best people to give it would be those who are not that different from you when it comes to attractiveness, but has been more successful than you to get a decent partner A good looking tall guy who has attractive women hitting on him will not have the same perspective as someone who gets zero female attention .	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 12:54 AM
1	When looking for dating advice, the best people to give it would be those who are not that different from you when it comes to attractiveness, but has been more successful than you to get a decent partner Friends can also filter what they tell you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 12:53 AM
8	Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating. Because the reality is that things that attract women are not things that men can really change much. There are some exceptions (big personality changes, plastic surgery, good facial bone structure that shows itself after fat loss). But the overwhelming vast majority of people do not experience such changes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 12:51 AM
3	Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating. That's true but reaching the looks threshold is not really doable for many. Though it depends. It's quite doable if going for someone who is very average looking who is on the median range for BMI.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 12:50 AM
2	Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating. Hobbies are just another avenue to meet someone. If you aren't truly passionate about it, then good luck.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 12:48 AM
1	Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating. Going to the gym = / = becoming attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/24 12:47 AM
2	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame Yes they are. I literally said it does not affect everyone. Many guys still find someone on their own level. But the number of single people has gone up by a lot. When you have a big shift in society like that, it's significant. Real life and online dating are very similar.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/24 12:33 PM
2	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame Only with the opposite sex? Why are their social skills totally fine with other men or their employer or just outside in general?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/24 12:32 PM
2	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame Great point. It's strictly failure with women, not with other guys or their job.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/24 12:31 PM
3	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame Perfect people do not exist. Everyone comes with a long list of flaws. It's always about compromise in every single relationship. Keep in mind people are less happy than ever as well. So obviously this current model is a complete failure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/24 12:31 PM
5	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame It's a generational thing. I've also seen these stretch out to age 35 / men under 35 rather than 30. But yes as a whole guys in their 30s right now do eventually find someone on their own level and same age group. The key part is that the women are also in that age group. As the people in their 20s turn 30 and up, the same thing will happen in that age group.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/24 03:17 AM
3	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame No. When you have a big trend like this, it's due to a shift in society. Standards have gone up compared to 1-2 decades ago, quite noticeably. Hence average tier men are struggling a lot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/24 01:26 AM
10	women who complain about dating only have themselves to blame The issue is that a lot of average men are struggling well outside the norm. It used to be just speculation but we have data that supports it and mainstream media has even covered it. A lot of it is indeed due to high standards as a results of social media and apps. If women see super hot guys everywhere, it elevates their standards. So across the board, there will be more average men who get left out. Does it affect everyone? No. Many still succeed. But the failure rate is high.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/24 01:25 AM
–	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 I would not say rare. Uncommon? Yes. But there's enough for the hot women for the most part. What I'm saying is the average guys can't move up a league no matter what.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 10:52 PM
1	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 Generally yeah but the hot cool guys get married too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/24 11:13 PM
3	Maybe this has been said in here before, but one thing I think is overlooked. Women were not like this 15 years ago. Standards were more holistic in the past. In my college days, I had no issues dating. It actually got much harder once I got money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 04:47 AM
1	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 I'm saying they basically don't exist anymore	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 04:46 AM
2	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 I've never seen that happen myself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 04:42 AM
1	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 Status in today's age means being an influencer or popular.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/24 04:41 AM
7	Maybe this has been said in here before, but one thing I think is overlooked. Women were not like this 15 years ago. Even 15 years ago, a well rounded guy could go up a notch and be appealing to women who looked a bit better than him. That has completely changed now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 07:45 AM
4	Maybe this has been said in here before, but one thing I think is overlooked. Women were not like this 15 years ago. All true. If you're a solid guy who is average then you can succeed at your own level. I would say in the old days if you had a lot to offer and looked average-tier, you could date prettier women. That's now obsolete.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 07:42 AM
9	Maybe this has been said in here before, but one thing I think is overlooked. Women were not like this 15 years ago. They're not dating up financially. They're looking for the best looking guy whose also the most charming.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 07:39 AM
0	Maybe this has been said in here before, but one thing I think is overlooked. Women were not like this 15 years ago. It was easier for sure. As someone in the medical field (physician), being a doctor and looking okay and having a decent personality would all be enough to attract a quality partner back in the 2000s. If you go back another 30 years, you'd always be dating out of your league, but those truly are the old days. Now? It's hit or miss and you could be single for a while if you don't lower your standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 07:36 AM
0	Men's and women's experiences are not equally hard. Do you have any recent evidence of that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 07:33 AM
1	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 A big part of your status is how fun you actually are and how others view you. You can't fake it, at least not for very long.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 07:32 AM
10	Men's and women's experiences are not equally hard. For this topic you need to isolate age groups. We know for a fact now that younger guys are more single than ever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 07:28 AM
26	Men's and women's experiences are not equally hard. The normal male experience is not static. It's changed over the years and being single and having less sex is more and more normal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 07:18 AM
2	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 Being employed, having your own place and a car checkboxes those things though. The problem is that everyone takes a hypothetical hot guy and pictures him as broke and dumb for some reason. That just isn't how it works and we all know that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 07:12 AM
1	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 The guys dating the most attractive women I know who also have a decent (or good job) themselves work okay-ish white collar jobs or are small business owners or are paramedics/male nurses. Basically all high 5 figure earners across the board. Keep in mind amongst my examples, some make 6 figures like nurses. How have you seen more attention? Are you disclosing your income to women? Are you overspending on luxuries and posting them online constantly?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 06:55 AM
2	Personality matters to women, but not in the way present-day manosphere men seem to interpret it. But that's not what I'm saying. My point is that people always have these hypotheticals that if a guy is hot, he must have the worst personality? Like what? There's zero logic in that. You can be hot, average or unattractive and have a great or mediocre or bad personality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 06:51 AM
1	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 I live in Texas (urban) and make 7 figures.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 05:52 AM
2	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 I would say past 40, and that's as of now for the current generation of that age group. Again, there's a reason the attractive women in their 20s and early 30s are with the exact same guys you would have thought of in high school and college. Being the fun and good looking guy in the group (or one of them) doesn't just go away at age 23.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 05:19 AM
-9	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 I can rephrase. Lots of people eventually find someone. Agree?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 05:15 AM
2	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 I agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 05:15 AM
0	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 I would say many posts state otherwise	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 05:14 AM
-8	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 But this is all assuming that a guy who is socially well liked and cool and good looking is somehow incapable of being a stable husband. Right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 04:39 AM
2	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 It's not black and white like that. It's a spectrum.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 04:38 AM
1	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 I don't fully understand your argument here. Are you saying there are no beta buxx guys left for them? So they have to settle for a good looking guy who makes 60k a year.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 04:36 AM
0	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 It is true that there are more financial constraints. But women are compromising less than ever on how much they like the guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 04:34 AM
6	"Beta bux" is a myth and being "cool" is still very important even past age 30 I think you need to move that age bracket to late 30s/early 40s for that to be true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 04:31 AM
13	Personality matters to women, but not in the way present-day manosphere men seem to interpret it. How common is that though? It's always these extreme examples. Chances are, if he's hot then his personality is likely at least average. People always isolate one variable, like being attractive, then pair it with being broke and having a horrible personality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/24 02:15 AM
1	Do men seriously have more dating options as they get older? Age group limitations for men aren't completely by choice. If you're 35, your low end is late 20s and high end is late 30s. Yes some people outside of those parameters will still be interested but it's uncommon. Even late 20s is more difficult if you're mid 30s.	/r/ExRedPill	12/06/24 02:12 AM
1	Does self improvement cause men to become resentful towards women? My point is that exceptions are exceptions. Everyone has a story about some supposed unattractive dude they know who is short and dates models. In real life? Average guys would be auto ignored by attractive women everywhere.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 06:27 PM
1	Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading That's what it takes to be a guy who is older and "sexy" or appealing at least to attractive women in their 20s. I'm just talking about what the redpill says and preaches and a lot of talking points on here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 06:23 PM
1	Why is cold approaching seen as a "better" alternative to dating apps? Would everyone strongly agree that she's out of your league? I'm just being honest but I occasionally see these kinds of comments or hear about these things and it ends up being a normal looking couple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 08:01 AM
1	Why is cold approaching seen as a "better" alternative to dating apps? You realize there are risks involved too, right? It's not harmless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 07:57 AM
1	Why is cold approaching seen as a "better" alternative to dating apps? You still need to be attractive enough for that person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 07:55 AM
1	Do "Chads" really don't have any feelings for their lays? "pump and dump" is mostly a myth nowadays and outdated. People have normal hook ups nowadays and women will move along just as often as men will.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 07:46 AM
5	Does self improvement cause men to become resentful towards women? We've now had a 5'3 NBA player.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 05:38 AM
2	Does self improvement cause men to become resentful towards women? With all due respect it really isn't that complicated or philosophical. Women like men they're attracted to physically and mentally. The composition of the traits that create induce the attraction are genetic for men and mostly not changeable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 05:37 AM
1	Does self improvement cause men to become resentful towards women? Oh amazing line. Telling a dumb person to be smarter. That's spot on accurate. Take a person who has to work hard just to pass high school math and with tutoring, cannot get a good grade. Will that person get a graduate degree in math? that's how much of a change in personality you need to do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 05:00 AM
1	Pursuit of muscle and money is futile for attracting woman Most good looking people aren't complete broke losers though. Having modest/mediocre resources can be enough for many women if the guy is actually attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 03:23 AM
1	Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading The good looking ones are usually not single and go for whoever they find attractive. Yeah if you're younger, have a 8-9/10 face and a doctor, then it's easy but you could be a personal trainer at a chain gym and have amazing dating prospects too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 03:18 AM
0	Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading 99% of people do not become rich. It's honestly a pointless argument to even have. Having a good career does not make you desirable as a man. It's just a checkbox that is satisfied for women who want a guy with a career. But being Joe the engineer manager or Steve the lawyer doesn't turn you into a sex symbol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 03:14 AM
0	Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading Economically successful yes. You need to have a mid 7 figure net worth at the minimum to even meet that kind of threshold. I'm in that range, in my 30s, as I've discussed on here. Quite uncommon as a whole. You're right about the status part. What's your point? The status you're thinking of is having 300k followers on Instagram and being an influencer or dating a rich influencer or dating a pro athlete. It's not being a middle manager at a firm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 02:55 AM
1	Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading You think a woman who is 24 and attractive would pick a 35 year old guy who is well off and looks "okay" and is in good shape , over a 27 year old conventionally attractive and tall guy who is charismatic?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 02:30 AM
1	Pursuit of muscle and money is futile for attracting woman Which is why the "resources" argument from the redpill isn't actually realistic. It reflects something that is workable rather than genetic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/24 02:28 AM
1	Pursuit of muscle and money is futile for attracting woman Almost everything you can actually change and truly control, is something that men are impressed by. Though men will think it impresses women and women might tell men (honest intentions) that it does. Anything that is genetic or mostly uncontrollable, will be most impressive to women. Things like muscles, career success, a sports car, a nice watch, impress men. You have relative control over these things. Face, height, fame, vibrant personality, are not things you control and are byproducts of g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 07:40 AM
7	Pursuit of muscle and money is futile for attracting woman Almost everything you can actually change and truly control, is something that men are impressed by. Though men will think it impresses women and women might tell men (honest intentions) that it does. Anything that is genetic or mostly uncontrollable, will be most impressive to women. Things like muscles, career success, a sports car, a nice watch, impress men. You have relative control over these things. Face, height, fame, vibrant personality, are not things you control and are byproducts of g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 07:40 AM
4	Pursuit of muscle and money is futile for attracting woman I don't know if it's that extreme. I think in the end, it's just average looking average height guys who lift, who still look average to women after adding muscle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 07:36 AM
6	Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading I never understood what "peaking" meant. At what? Is it a sporting event where you're at peak performance? Looks wealth in their 20s. Wealth peaks in your 60s. "Status" is so relative and doesn't even really peak since most people could care less about what you're doing. Then it's the environment. You can tell yourself that "you've now peaked" at 35, but to who?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 07:32 AM
3	Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading Keep something in mind though. Those desirable older guys were not subpar men in their 20s. The whole basis of the redpill idea is that you can go from a 5/10 to becoming a successful 9/10 in your 40s that everyone wants. Doesn't happen in real life. Also the level of attention you would get is drastically overrated too. As an example... A couple of my doctor colleagues are in their mid to late 40s and definitely good looking by conventional standards. The only attention they get from those unde…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 07:25 AM
11	Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading They think that when they're in their 20s. It's easy to be 24 and think you'll be a sex god at 36. It's a delayed gratification fantasy. Thinking that somehow someway, you'll be attracting hotties suddenly. Kids in high school grow up thinking they'll magically be rich "once they're older." Eventually time runs out and it's time to get a job. It's the same in dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 06:35 AM
1	Do you think women's preferences shift as they mature or do they just "settle" for men they find less attractive because they want to get married Eventually there is some compromise but don't underestimate how much many women will hold out. What happens everywhere is that ultimately most people fall into the average tier looks wise and pair up with someone who is average but their type. I think the biggest myth in the male community is trying to convince men they can look average but attract hotter women. Often the promise made to younger guys is that it'll happen once you're older, which is a huge myth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 06:32 AM
2	Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading Certainly for your first 2 points, being equal is very common and the universal rule while only a small percentage of women like much older men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 06:29 AM
10	Four Red-Pill Arguments that are Complete myths or very misleading What percentage of guys do you think actually think are dumping their wife in their 40s/50s and marrying a younger admin assistant who is good looking? Better yet, how many women in their 20s are actually physically attracted to men that range? It's not zero percent, but it is a pretty low percent. To be blunt, these are always average looking women as well so really the guy is fooling himself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 06:25 AM
1	Do you think women's preferences shift as they mature or do they just "settle" for men they find less attractive because they want to get married Sure but what's that change? Women who are average will end up with men who are average and their type. But no one is compromising on looks. The issue is that when people talk about compromising on looks they essentially means compromising on any and all sexual attraction, sex in the relationship and everything physical. It just doesn't happen. Outside of small niches and pro athletes, no one consistently marries outside of their league. Keeping in mind that niches are feeding certain kinks and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 06:09 AM
1	Do you think women's preferences shift as they mature or do they just "settle" for men they find less attractive because they want to get married Not at all. Attractive single women in their 40s still want a hot guy for marriage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 03:17 AM
1	Do you think women's preferences shift as they mature or do they just "settle" for men they find less attractive because they want to get married It's more the average woman just giving a shot to the average guy and equals coming together.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:57 AM
1	Do you think women's preferences shift as they mature or do they just "settle" for men they find less attractive because they want to get married Is that even settling? I think what you're saying is the average guy getting with the average woman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:56 AM
1	Do you think women's preferences shift as they mature or do they just "settle" for men they find less attractive because they want to get married i think the number who settle is quite low, it just draws more attention. Look at who attractive women marry. It's always a conventionally handsome guy, often tall-ish but not always and in good shape. I rarely see an exception to this but when it happens, people just ignore the other 99 cases and fixate on the 1 exception.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:55 AM
1	Do you think women's preferences shift as they mature or do they just "settle" for men they find less attractive because they want to get married No one is settling anymore, at least not much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:51 AM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Just to clarify, that kind of physique does take a few years of extreme dedication to develop. It's not something you can develop in 6 months unless you're extremely gifted genetically and already an athlete. Most men will struggle to even look like they workout in normal clothes while walking in public.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:38 AM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? In that case it's the guy maxing out his physique (which puts you in the niche category) and going for a specific subcategory of women who are into that. So yes you're right. But that's just a niche. Like rock band guys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:16 AM
16	Is "desperate guys don't get girlfriends" complete bullshit? Coming off desperate is a turn off but that only really matters when the woman is on the fence and not really interested to begin with. Otherwise, the desperation doesn't have much of a chance to show itself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:09 AM
8	Why are so many people just unable to separate what is moral with what is true? Accurate summary would be, vast majority of younger women do not like older men. A small percentage do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:08 AM
2	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? How so in real life? Examples?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:04 AM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? I don't think money helps. I became quite wealthy and have worse prospects than my early 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:04 AM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? You actually think an average face guy who has some muscles and average height can get women with objectively above average faces?	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/24 02:00 AM
2	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Just laying out the truth	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 05:08 PM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Well what does it mean?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 05:02 PM
2	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Won't the muscular guy just be going for average looking women too, even after everything? That's my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 05:00 PM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? How does it greatly alter your dating pool?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 04:59 PM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Nice post. What are those youtube channels? Curious to see.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 05:25 AM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? So how do you improve self confidence exactly?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 04:40 AM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? I would think that conversational skills are quite important but may have diminishing returns. A good looking face gives you incredible leeway though for everything else. Obviously there is no magical formula for having a spark but there are really only a couple important pieces. As someone who became very wealthy, I think it has minimal impact. When I had noticeable improvements in my face into college, my dating prospects had a dramatic level of improvement. When I became wealthy, I did actual…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 04:31 AM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Those things are just a byproduct of your environment, neuro chemistry and general success. Lets assume average brain chemistry, well chances are then your mental health is likely to fall in the normal range. Self confidence is mostly a product of your known success in that area. Academically gifted and studied? You'll be confident coming into an exam. Star athlete? You'll be confident in your sport. Good looking and charming? You'll be confident with women since it'll come naturally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 04:25 AM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Absolutely, men do overrate themselves. My point though was that a guy going from a BMI of 31 to 27 is unlikely to go from a 5/10 range to 7/10 range in looks facewise. It can happen with the right bone structure but it's unlikely overall. Couple other things... men like to pretend it's the "whole package" that counts, when it isn't women might go with that idea publicly too, though individually will admit that it's just looks/personality that matters in the first few dates	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 04:22 AM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? So if a guy who is 5'9 and looks average, loses weight, he's suddenly attractive to women who are 7/10?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 03:58 AM
2	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Internal self like what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 03:31 AM
2	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? When I said 5/10 I was strictly referring to the face. I find the perception of average looking highly applies on men if their face is average-tier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 03:31 AM
4	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Which of those things help with getting the first couple of dates though? A lot of this is more about the phase after that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 03:29 AM
1	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Does it make a guy who is a 5/10 appealing to women who are better looking than him? Or does it make him more appealing to women who look very similar.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 03:08 AM
0	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? It's just one example of many. Just look at it as "income increase" then.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 03:07 AM
4	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? I agree with your last sentence for sure. Also while yes getting to a healthy BMI is self improvement when looking at national level statistics, that isn't the perception that women have. A woman who is in average shape herself and has a modest BMI will generally consider an average looking guy with a normal BMI to be.... average. It's not a linear competition and men are always competing with other men who are better looking and taller. The reason I didn't talk about social skills much is that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 03:05 AM
2	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? Does it truly alter the man's dating prospects by a noticeable margin?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 03:00 AM
0	Does self improvement truly change a man's dating prospects? It's just an example. Actually as a doctor, similar income increases within 1 year are very common. Ex. going from 60k to 450k is extremely common in medicine since as a resident you make in the 60k range and you start off with a high income your first year as a staff. Many business owners who make it big can have much more dramatic increases.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/24 02:59 AM
1	Elon Musk and Talulah Riley: a case study on female hypergamy The richest guy in history is somehow applicable to everyone lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 07:05 AM
1	“Getting off the apps” doesn’t help when the same mindsets are predominant Yes that's true. But you won't be rejected in person if you're taller than her, unless you're borderline to begin with. If she thinks you're hot and cool, it's a done deal. I know countless guys who are 5'8 and very good looking dating extremely pretty women. I almost never see a tall guy dating out of his league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 07:03 AM
12	“Getting off the apps” doesn’t help when the same mindsets are predominant Some guys who are short are obsessed with height and think that's the only issue. Because it literally is not fixable. Truth is, it's important, but not nearly as important as the guy's face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 07:02 AM
4	“Getting off the apps” doesn’t help when the same mindsets are predominant For a lot of guys, the in-person version is not any more appealing either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 07:01 AM
2	“Getting off the apps” doesn’t help when the same mindsets are predominant What's the surprise in average looking men eventually finding an average looking partner? Some average looking women are totally fine dating average guys who are appealing in other ways.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 07:00 AM
18	“Getting off the apps” doesn’t help when the same mindsets are predominant No offense honestly but how did you conclude that you're top 10% and a chad if you can't appeal to attractive women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 06:57 AM
9	“Getting off the apps” doesn’t help when the same mindsets are predominant How many people are single in a large social circle with both men and women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 06:49 AM
17	“Getting off the apps” doesn’t help when the same mindsets are predominant Fun fact. A guy who is 5'8 with a conventionally handsome face will get huge numbers of matches.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 06:34 AM
3	“Getting off the apps” doesn’t help when the same mindsets are predominant Not really. Will you get a couple dates and eventually find someone? Sure. But the time to success ratio would be crazy for the average guy IRL.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 06:33 AM
0	The phrase "every man pays" makes as much sense as "every woman pays". FYI I'm a dude, casually dating. I think the broader point I'm making is that there isn't a huge financial threshold to meet. This country has enough opportunity to at least not be broke. You can do a drink or coffee date. You can go for dinner or a movie on subsequent dates. An average car is not a massive achievement to meet. I think this is just grasping at straws for what is really just meeting the threshold of being a functioning adult. So in other words if we're saying that you need to be …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 06:27 AM
1	I don't buy the narrative that single, childless women are the happiest group Why would they reject guys who are well off then?	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 05:19 AM
1	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? Very high chance they'll be your level looks wise too. That's basically how normal guys find a partner eventually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 05:07 AM
1	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? How does it mean she's more willing to settle if she's rejecting wealthier guys for average income types who are better looking? That just means the priority remains on the "cool guys" who are hot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 05:06 AM
1	The phrase "every man pays" makes as much sense as "every woman pays". I'm in my 30s and a doctor. If you seriously think you need anything more than a drink or a coffee date for a 1st date... I'm not even sure what to tell you. You can go out for a very nice dinner and that isn't going to make her like you. Neither is a nice car vs an average car. Guess what happens on a date regardless if it's at the bar or coffee shop or dinner? She has to look at your face and talk to you. If she doesn't like both of those things, the amount of luxury you put out will have no i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/24 05:04 AM
1	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? So what use is that if your goal is to get a date?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 06:29 AM
-1	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? Genetics yes. Financial status only in terms of being self sufficient generally speaking, unless your goals are being a sugar daddy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 04:43 AM
2	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? I think you missed the key point. What if the woman is very average looks wise and also somewhat overweight? Yes what you're saying happens but I'm just talking about dating. I'm not naive at all. I quite literally have made your exact points on here. In my workplace for example (I'm a doctor), a lot of the nurses who are in their 20s or early 30s and single are easily making 6 figures. Some might just under 6 figures but that's besides the point. Quite literally all of the good looking ones go …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 04:39 AM
1	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? The guy that attractive women go for is conventionally good looking, slightly taller, has tattoos, is lean, has a vibrant personality and is not unemployed. This basically sums up the ideal man. The guy that career oriented women go for has very similar looks to them and also has a good career. Everything else you can scale down proportionately.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 04:00 AM
0	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? Lots of guys want a hot partner. Keep that in mind as far as expectations go.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 03:30 AM
3	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? There are no shortage of guys in excellent shape who still fail.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 03:20 AM
1	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? Making good money and having muscles is basically the upper limit of self improvement for men and it still yields minimal results. Yes as you say, "gymcels" with good jobs. But even with approaching and putting in lots of work, the success rate will be very similar to before. I was in college and had muscles and certainly was not short. I had an okay success rate, but still on the low-average range. As a doctor now, I have even more muscles and high end financial success. My success rate is actu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 03:15 AM
1	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? Improving your social skills is even harder than making your face look better. Looks are a huge #1 for men as a whole since many of these guys want a hot girlfriend. So the first prerequisite for that, is being hot yourself as a guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 03:12 AM
1	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? The truth is if your face still looks pretty much the same and you have the same personality, then your dating prospects don't change much. You can hit the gym all you you like. Guys get all the muscles and make good money, then get rejected for a thin guy who has no significant muscle mass at all and works a blue collar job.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 03:10 AM
1	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? It doesn't really matter whether or not we're controlled by impulses. Looksmaxing is the only piece of self improvement advice that actually translates to any success but there's incredibly diminishing returns on it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 03:08 AM
2	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? Self improvement is mostly just in your head. There is very little you can actually do to make yourself more attractive. 1) You can't change your league 2) Most things men work hard on, women don't care about	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 03:06 AM
3	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds? There is not that much you can control besides actually putting in effort to pursue. Self improvement is actually a huge time waster.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 02:58 AM
1	The phrase "every man pays" makes as much sense as "every woman pays". If you're average looking and want someone hot, then you also would.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 02:50 AM
4	The phrase "every man pays" makes as much sense as "every woman pays". If a woman likes you, you can get away with spending 0-20$ in total cumulatively on your first several dates. A coffee date, walk in the park and hanging out at one's house are date options that work quite well if she's attracted to you. It's when there isn't much attraction that men try to force it with money. Shortly after it fades away and you're left 300$ short that you spent on a dinner that was not even necessary.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 02:46 AM
8	The phrase "every man pays" makes as much sense as "every woman pays". Men will say that dating is transactional because that's their interpretation of it if they're unable to get any dates. So you convince yourself that it's an exchange of money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 02:44 AM
1	The phrase "every man pays" makes as much sense as "every woman pays". I think this is what people say when they struggle with dating. If women are attracted to you and like you, you won't be "paying" much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/24 02:43 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success By doing what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 08:18 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Nothing that extreme no. Height is important but absolutely not the same as face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 07:14 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success That's correct. It is a bonus though if the girl already likes the guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 07:13 AM
-1	What are places you can go and not look like a creep as a man to expand your female friend circle especially locally? They're trying their luck with as many women as possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 07:11 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Not that you're fully wrong. But for a guy it's more, conventionally handsome face and lean with a fun personality. The other requirements never really apply. But all in all what I'm saying is even harder to achieve.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 07:10 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success How?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 05:20 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success You're free to believe that. I'm simply stating for others that it is 100% not the most or second most important thing. But again, you can believe that if you like.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 05:19 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Potato faced 6'5 guys would get zero play even with average looking women. A good looking 5'7 guy would have hundreds of tinder matches in a couple of weeks to choose from. I would relax on your height obsession. Facts are facts. Feelings are feelings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 05:01 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success You think a 5/10 guy can get a hottie? Why would the hot girl go for a 5 or even 6/10 guy when she has multiple 8+/10 guys who want her? That's my issue with this logic. Why would those women reject the prettier men?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:59 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Zero difference between hiring an escort or sugar baby in the US and doing that. Those women have zero attraction towards those guys. I'd actually bet that being a sugar daddy in the US would be more legitimate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:58 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Yeah bro your one friend is all the proof we need to explain everything. n=1 and you saying she's an 8/10. Height just gets a lot of talk because it's less offensive than talking about the guy's face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:54 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Who settles for who?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:52 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success 5'3 is a bit different. Try more like 5'7 and up. The thing about face is that you're guaranteed success with attractive women. With height? You're absolutely not. The fact that incels/virgins who are 6'4 exist proves that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:50 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success You think those women like those men any more than an escort does in America?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:48 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success A girl who is a 8/10 will auto reject a tall guy who is a 5/10 because of his face. He won't even be a consideration. Whereas I've commonly seen 7-8/10 guys who are 5'7-5'8 with 8/10 girls. It's not uncommon at all. A pretty face is what leads to the initial lustful attraction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:48 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success The 6'5 guy you're talking about is going to be with average looking women at the absolute best. The good looking guy at 5'7 can attract high numbers of attractive women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:46 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success It's an easy filter to use. But until you can explain why there are tall incels/virgins and why tall guys get rejected by prettier women, then height being #1 is not remotely true. A nice looking face is miles more important.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:45 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Nope wrong. Lots and lots of tall incels out there. Attractive incels do not exist. Even with poor social skills, you'll still have women coming onto you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:43 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success What do you suggest guys do?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:42 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success I really don't understand. You expect women to reject men who want them but are more attractive then them? What are they supposed to do? I've talked about unrealistic standards on here before and that an okay looking guy with a good career would have had it very easy 40 years ago but would struggle today because of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:41 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Only when there's a big problem with those things and they're holding you back. Body fat reduction works well if you have good underlying bone structure. Hairstyles and facial hair work slightly but only if it works well on your face and is a big change from before.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:27 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success It's important but not nearly as much as the face. If you're 5'7 and good looking, you're still going to be very successful. A very nice face at 5'7 is way way wayyy ahead of an average looking 6'3 guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:26 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success That's not realistic advice, even though I do think you should do all of those things. If you're average looking, all of those things still keep you at average. Bone structure is what determines your looks, not a haircut. Again, the problem is that guys who are 5/10 will start lifting and improving how they dress. They'll make nice progress but still get rejected by women who are 7+/10 at the same rate as before.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:24 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success That's just the reality of things in 2024. What can an individual do? You can adapt or you can give up or keep trying for hotter women and getting rejected on 50 out of 50 attempts. If you give up, there are dozens of men taking your place instantly. It's also not an exact science but as a guy if you're a 5/10 then yes 4/10 is still your league. But in my post I said that once you self improve, you'll find someone very similar to you as well. Average guys do want to pursue hotter women though an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:19 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Standards are directly a product of your options. As a guy, if you had lots of models interested in you then that would be your minimum standard. Women's standards are based off of the men interested in them. It's the guys who drive up those standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:16 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Why do women have high standards? It's men who drive those standards up. I addressed it in the OP, there isn't much that an individual can do. You simply have to adapt.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:14 AM
–	Realistic standards are the key to success Lots of those countries have prevalence of crime towards those tourists and the women aren't exactly attracted to the guy either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 04:13 AM
2	What are places you can go and not look like a creep as a man to expand your female friend circle especially locally? unfortunately this sums it up well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 03:16 AM
3	What are places you can go and not look like a creep as a man to expand your female friend circle especially locally? That's not good advice. There's a whole movement now against talking to women in the gym and that can be extrapolated to all similar settings. Lots of ordinary guys get labeled as creeps if they approach someone in the gym. What you're saying would work if the guy is conventionally good looking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 03:14 AM
-1	What are places you can go and not look like a creep as a man to expand your female friend circle especially locally? As a guy if you lower your standards pretty low, then you'll eventually be successful. That's the key advice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 03:11 AM
–	CMV: Confidence doesn't help physically unattractive men When people say confidence is the most important thing, and I've heard that a lot, that's generally what they're suggesting. That it's somehow the difference between a generic average guy and a playboy. Anyway your 2nd paragraph is correct. It can move you up or down slightly. But if you're a 5/10, you have zero chance with an 8/10.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 06:01 AM
–	CMV: Confidence doesn't help physically unattractive men That's not what I said at all. You said all of that, not me. I'm disputing that you can go from average to moderately attractive. That sets up false expectations. It's like telling someone they can go from a 50k job to 500k if they just work hard. How realistic and likely is that? False hope and unrealistic expectations are why society at large is unhappy. Everyone got told they're special and going to be someone important as a child. Self improvement really will work to help in your own league.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 05:59 AM
–	CMV: Confidence doesn't help physically unattractive men I don't think you should approach someone working. Quite an uncomfortable situation. But I think some men may look at it is... well you can't approach at work, can't approach at the bar, don't use dating apps, don't cold approach on the street. But hey you can't sit at home either and not try! Now if it's a chad type who is approaching, they should indeed approach everywhere.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 05:55 AM
–	CMV: Confidence doesn't help physically unattractive men Unless you're mega rich (high 8 figure net worth at the minimum) or a true celebrity or pro athlete, then not a chance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 05:51 AM
–	CMV: Confidence doesn't help physically unattractive men Confident + average looking = friendzone	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 05:50 AM
–	CMV: Confidence doesn't help physically unattractive men This only happens on the internet it seems. I used to party a lot in college. I've traveled quite a bit and lived in different states. I work at a larger hospital now with all sorts of people and attend many social events. I've also frequented the social media scene quite a bit. I've yet to see this phenomenon of not so great looking guys pulling attractive women. I've basically never seen it, unless there was a catch. Have you always concluded that it was in fact what you thought it was? I've s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 05:49 AM
–	CMV: Confidence doesn't help physically unattractive men Good take on this but keep in mind this is not what people say when they talk about confidence. so yes you're right But people talk about confidence as if a guy can be a 5/10 and just pick up attractive women every weekend at the club or date models just because he is "confident." That's just a bunch of nonsense. Indeed it lets you outcompete men in your own league, for women at your exact looks level.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 05:34 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. There's no reason for most people to suddenly fall apart. Can some? Sure. I think there are people who will put in lots of effort to find exceptions to use as their proof. In reality, the big majority of attractive people at 18 remain attractive at 32 for example. Ronaldo is a unique celebrity, not much of a point in debating him. He was attractive in the past too and yes got more attractive. I don't subscribe to any specific pills. I only care about what has evidence and logic behind it. My opi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 05:29 AM
1	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) Think of it this way. If you're a tall conventionally good looking guy, or even if average height but a very pretty face, you can basically be guaranteed that if you walk into a room that the prettiest women will be into you. All of them? No. But most? Absolutely. It's like that meme "you just have to say hi." I mean yeah if you're truly attractive, that's all it takes. Then you just need to check box a few easy things (not being a wierdo, having a normal job) and you're set. Now if you're more …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 05:04 AM
4	Men are never allowed to be "Good enough" It's higher than 2/3. Could be around 3/4. Plus many non-single ones aren't happy, so up to you to include that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 04:06 AM
7	Men are never allowed to be "Good enough" In real life it wouldn't work like that though. If they're attracted, they go for it and the guy may not even meet half the traits at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 04:01 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Hope is one thing but I think it's most important to be factual and realistic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:58 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Peaking in high school does not mean you rapidly fall apart later. What's the argument anyways? That if you were very average in high school, that you can become a chad by age 35? Women look for more, of course. But that's the very first thing they notice. You can't get to the third thing if you're stuck at first. It's like trying to get a job that needs a graduate degree when you only graduated high school.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:57 AM
1	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) Listing off requirements is great and fun but real people aren't wired to think in formulas. I do agree that people have these hypothetical lists in their mind. What happens in real life is women will see a hot tall guy and become attracted. If they're also compatible to some extent, then things go forward. But if a guy approaches them and they don't think he's hot to them, things won't proceed any further anyway. The less attractive the woman is, then the more leeway the guy gets to impress wit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:53 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. If you swipe on any dating app, there are lots of attractive women in their 30s. There's no rigid formula. Lots of them will wait for the chads in their 30s. Some succeed, some don't and stay single. No one is lowering their standards nowadays.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:48 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. What do you think the younger chads do then?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:47 AM
2	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Well then show some quality evidence to support your argument then.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:46 AM
0	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. I make over 7 figures in terms of income and enjoy 14-15% returns on my portfolio as well. Trust me it carries zero weight. Happy to elaborate more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:45 AM
3	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. No and I have an extensive dating history, though largely just attracting average looking or chubby women. The latter of which I'm actually into though. But little luck with prettier women. It's much harder now because options are limited and those things don't actually carry any weight like people think they do. I used to mentor some medical students/pre meds and once they graduated, they'd often come up to me and ask why their dating prospects didn't improve at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:43 AM
2	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Average men do yes. The good looking men definitely do not. I find attractive men are aware of their looks and will try to enhance it as much as possible to maintain and improve that advantage. 24 year old Chad who only had a good looking face now has a top notch body as well at age 32. People in general, men and women alike, often assume they're the only ones who are progressing at something and that no one else is. That's just a natural mindset to have though so no blame there. Now even if you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 06:50 AM
2	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. You're yet to show a single piece of data supporting your idea. It's just engrained in fantasy, where getting older makes you hotter. It doesn't. It's just fantasy dude. Prove me wrong. Something more than "my friend circle."	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:59 AM
0	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Literally look at the 4th column called "age gaps."	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:57 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. I've never seen actual complaining about men going to younger women. Also, again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_age_at_first_marriage FYI, saying "False" doesn't mean you're right. Making stuff up is not factual. It's fantasy. Show me the data.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:49 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. False Outside of Africa, the age gaps are 1-3 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_age_at_first_marriage	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:48 AM
2	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. I also really think that people think attractive guys/chad types/whatever you want to call them, just don't exist after age 30. That a guy who was a 4-6/10 just takes their place somehow? Like I never understood the logic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:45 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Yes I'm in that bracket as I've explained in other posts, and I try to tell men on here that money is quite literally only relevant for sugar daddies. I get told I don't know what I'm talking about but I never get told why.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:26 AM
2	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Having a nice face as a guy means you're completely set, even if you're short and make 50k a year. There are plenty of attractive women who are 40 and have dozens of top tier guys nonstop DMing them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:11 AM
2	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Competing with younger women for the Chads who turned 30+ you mean. The age thing is extremely irrelevant to most guys. Nothing changes, you still need good looks, game and reasonable height. No one is competing for the 4-6/10 guy who is 5'7 and goes to the gym, just because he's 33 or whatever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:08 AM
2	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Lol so true. These guys think getting older means you're instantly a Chad somehow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:02 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. I find there is a higher prevalence of mental health problems in those in their 20s dating older men. Many can become problematic if there's a bad break ups, even for short term flings. Good luck if you're in a actual career.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:01 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Pickier about looks as well. Those women are still looking for 30 year old Chad. But yes they expect him to have his shit together too now. I think guys just think the Chad types just disappear and vanish by their 30s???	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:00 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Where do older women complain about that? Is there evidence for this? Younger women almost entirely date and marry guys their own age. You're talking about niche/minority groups who are into older guys. If we're talking anecdotes, most successful guys I know in their 30s who are single have married single moms. Others met someone in their 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 04:57 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. What country are you talking about then? Also what percentage of this subreddit is what your country? Hence relevance of discussion. Also, there's data to support what that poster is saying. Do you have data to support your position? Your friend group is not national level data.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 04:55 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. They think they'll turn 30 and all of the sorority girls who didn't even look their direction will come running because they're..... 30? and lifted some weights and .. (going to be very idealistic here) have a 130k/year management job. Keep in mind the latter will be a tiny percentage of men at that age. But it'll actually have zero value for initial attraction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 04:51 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. High income isn't even that helpful. I'm talking about high 6 figures/low 7 figure ranges.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 04:49 AM
2	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. No one is overlooking lack of physical attraction at 33 if they didn't at 23.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 04:48 AM
3	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. I wouldn't say it's "very rare." We have data that supports pretty significant levels of male virginity in the 20-30 age bracket as well as infrequent sexual encounters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 04:32 AM
6	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. I had extreme levels of success in my career and finances and dating got way harder. That's because I actually did reasonably well in college and in my 20s , and naturally it just got harder by the time I turned 30. I wasn't a Chad at all either. Big time success will help you find someone which is better than absolutely nothing in your teens and 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 04:32 AM
7	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. This is so untrue man. At 30, your pool in theory is perhaps 20-35 and in real life it's more like 26-31. Only a small number of women would even consider dating a guy that much older at age 20. Then you need to eliminate: women who don't already have a boyfriend/fiance/husband (massive number at this point) those with mental health issues and very extensive baggage +/- single moms if that's not your thing The actual number of single women who are interested in dating a a guy at that age is actu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 04:30 AM
1	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. No it does actually. You can extrapolate dating preferences based on that. The median marriage age is a great random sampling of the population and lets us know what people prefer in terms of age gaps.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 04:00 AM
3	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Which is why options are incredibly limited in your 30s. Lots of men will go for women they aren't attracted to and pretend like they're doing way better suddenly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 03:59 AM
5	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Good luck trying to convince some of these people of that fact. Some guys like living in a fantasy where older = becoming a sex god.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 03:58 AM
17	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. I'm in my 30s and made it really big in my career. Doctor but also very wealthy by doctor standards. Also in excellent shape. I find it way harder than in my early 20s to attract women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 03:56 AM
18	CMV Dating only becomes easier for men in their 30s because women at that age become more desperate. Peaked at what though? High school and college is prime time to have fun. You have the least responsibility, and a big chunk of your time is spent socializing and chasing girls. It's not something to celebrate if that time was wasted. Yes being 30 has many advantages, I'm in my 30s myself. But good luck recreating some of those opportunities. Not to mention fresh dopamine receptors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 03:55 AM
0	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) The context of the conversation is in regards to being a bodybuilder/gym rat. There's a difference between being lean and in good shape and being very jacked. I'm talking about the latter. If having a good physique was such a big game changer, then the term "gymcel" wouldn't even exist. Instead, guys go to the gym, get an exceptional physique with lots of hard work, and have zero changes in their success rate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 03:29 AM
2	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) A lot of those guys are putting in massive amounts of effort just to get laid a couple times a year. That's barely a step up from being an incel.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 03:23 AM
2	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) That's also quite rare. The very odd time you see a guy who isn't good looking, getting attention from women. Then people will be like, "see! you don't need looks!" But in reality, those are huge exceptions. I also would say that being average looking still makes it extremely hard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 03:21 AM
1	As much blame as women get for the current situation, a big part of the problem is the desperation of men. I regularly see dudes calling the most average or even below average women “hot” or “beautiful.” Attractive men do gets large numbers of compliments. Many even get DM'd by women online.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 05:10 AM
1	As much blame as women get for the current situation, a big part of the problem is the desperation of men. I regularly see dudes calling the most average or even below average women “hot” or “beautiful.” Attractive men gets lots of compliments from both men and women. In large numbers too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 05:09 AM
1	Women are dishonest about their appearance You can't improve your looks that much as a man..... it's miniscule improvement at the most, after extreme levels of effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 04:48 AM
2	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) Seems like a lot of work just to maybe get one woman interested who may reject you after date 1. Dating apps are still far more efficient per time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 04:06 AM
12	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) Maybe if you're talking about the most extreme incels who haven't kissed anyone by their late 20s perhaps. In today's age, incel is basically an umbrella that includes non-virgins who just have extremely low success rates but still have sex maybe a couple times a year or have had 1 or 2 girlfriends. When you include everyone, you'll find that so many of them have in fact put in lots of effort. The bigger issue is that standards have just gone up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 04:05 AM
1	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) While the desperation part is true, no one is doing those things to get women. Guys who actually make good money (high 6 figures and up) are still good at something. Just like guys who actually get in good shape. You're just talking about a high schooler's mindset.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 04:03 AM
2	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) I truly don't mean this to be offensive but as a guy who makes way more than 6 figures, it's simply because when you "aren't there" then it's easy to come up with hypotheticals on what will happen once you make it. So someone who makes 5 figures, will have this hypothetical idea that once they get rich they'll magically be super appealing. Then you fast forward and they made it, but they're still not appealing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 04:01 AM
8	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) I'm a doctor and very few women care. Those kinds of things mattered a few decades ago.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:58 AM
3	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) A nice body is literally a bonus at best. Lots of women don't even care. The only women who care about a guy's physique are those who are hardcore into fitness. Women make their own money and can combine it with a guy they actually like. The ones who actually want financial help, get a sugar daddy. So yeah making 6 or 7 figures doesn't move the needle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:56 AM
3	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) The elephant in the room is that if a guy is a 4-5/10 in looks, then he'll pretty much always fail when going for women above that level. By lowering his standards, then he'll bypass lots of rejections. You can't improve your league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:54 AM
1	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) How do they do that? Self improvement is very narrow and limited in actually making a guy more appealing to women. Almost everything is pre determined.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:53 AM
5	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) Dating is just a byproduct of your face, personality and your dating pool + height to some degree. You're incredibly limited in what you can actually improve to change the outcome. Selling false hope is a big issue with the self improvement stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:52 AM
3	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) What interesting hobbies for men aged 20-40 can greatly increase your odds with dating? Even if you meet someone, it's quite similar to a tinder match. Apps can be kind of nice in that you bypass the >90% of women who don't like your face and height. Otherwise you're looking at so many rejections and friendzones to find someone into you .	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:44 AM
3	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) The social life part does but it's mostly just incremental. A guy with a good looking face and fun personality is still miles ahead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:42 AM
-6	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) Because those guys also had nonexistent standards. Most incel men are incels because they want someone who is above average in looks. You could argue that incels who look like they workout aren't wrong to go for women in decent shape but the fact remains that the face is what matters for men. Women who are fit can be picky.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:28 AM
20	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) I disagree. Did you never go out to bars and clubs? If you paid attention, there were lots of incels everywhere. There are also many who go through long phases of cold approaching. Many of these guys try hundreds of times, fail, and go home and complain. Some of the guys who have average-tier looks with okay-ish lifestyles will hook up and date overtime but the sheer volume of rejections also brings them online to complain.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:26 AM
16	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) The methods may have changed but less people are getting married, more people are single and less people are having sex. Yes you need to try. But it is quite literally much harder now than 30 years ago.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:22 AM
17	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) It's a one, two punch. You need a face that's attractive enough to the woman you're going for. This can be extremely hard for the majority of men. When someone does give the guy a chance, then the personality part comes in. If the guy's face is just barely meeting the threshold, then this aspect needs to be quite good. But for a better looking guy, just a decent personality is fine. Then later on things like finances tend to come in. A nice body is a bonus. The issue is that people obsess over t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:19 AM
11	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) It's your face and personality, like a 60/40 split basically. In some cases it could be 50/50 but for attractive women it could even be 70/30. Obviously not exact numbers, but point is that it carries more importance. The reason that kind of advice doesn't ever work is because muscles are way overrated and money only matters if you're a sugar daddy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/24 03:16 AM
1	Just getting yourself out there is not enough What do you mean?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/24 02:56 AM
3	Just getting yourself out there is not enough That's any setting. It's always going to be taller or conventionally attractive guys getting the women. It was true when you were in high school, college, the workplace and any hobby setting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/24 05:50 AM
3	Just getting yourself out there is not enough Great hobby but are men truly meeting women doing this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/24 05:48 AM
1	What does a top 20% man look like? Few reasons. One is less single women, so that's easy. Just less options. Standards for looks have gone up as well and being okay looking is not nearly enough. The manosphere says money matters a lot but pay careful attention to who is saying that. Is it men who are wealthy? Or is it men who want to be wealthy and idealize wealthy guys? It's always easy to say something is very important if it doesn't really apply to you. For example, before becoming a physician I did think that I would suddenly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 03:02 AM
1	What does a top 20% man look like? I'm in the top 0.1% for those in their 30s. I don't really know what you're saying. That someone making 700k a year is going to buy a nice car but someone making 70 million isn't? Why? If you like cars, you'll get them. If you don't, you won't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/24 02:57 AM
1	What does a top 20% man look like? This isn't really true nor smart. Come to any physician parking lot and the average car is quite pricey. It's because we know life isn't guaranteed and living only to invest is incredibly silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 06:46 AM
1	What does a top 20% man look like? None of the chad types are well rounded.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 06:42 AM
1	What does a top 20% man look like? Exactly. I'm in the top 0.1% for income and I can strongly attest that it's the first 4 that matter as well as general social skills.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 06:41 AM
1	What does a top 20% man look like? I make 7 figures and dating is much harder in my 30s compared to my college years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 06:39 AM
1	What does a top 20% man look like? Other than the appearance and height portions, none of those things directly translate to success though. Dating isn't a job search with a resume. Being good on paper can equal zero success in real life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 06:37 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? We have plenty of data showing that huge numbers of women are choosing option A. Indeed there is a lot of pickiness about looks and having the perfect chemistry and spark, which really limits options. Option B doesn't mean betabuxxing. A woman making 75k a year finding a guy who makes 80k a year is not betabuxxing. That's just combined normal household income.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:55 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? The end outcome isn't any different. An older hot guy, say 36 years old, will get the 28 year old for example or 30 year old. The point is that the average looking guy in his 20s is not some catch in his 30s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:45 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? This is just true on paper and in the redpill world. A moderately attractive woman at 25 will still look good at 35 and 45. They will continue to get lots of male attention from all angles. There's also zero chance about that guy they didn't want at age 25 suddenly being a reliable partner. That's exactly what I'm saying doesn't happen. You think the hot guys suddenly vanish? No, that's who they'll ultimately marry. the whole idea here is that attractive men don't vanish.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:36 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? No the big picture priorities don't change and the outcomes don't change either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:30 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? Two things to consider Looking for different traits can easily be very minor things Just because you're looking for something on paper doesn't mean that's what they'll ultimately pursue. What happens when they meet a hot guy in his mid 30s who is very charming? Then it's date 6. You think she'll dump him?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:27 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? You mean getting a man who is high quality to commit. There are lots of average tier guys who would commit very quickly. Building yourself up is just silly coping. You should do it for sure, for yourself. I had a good time in my teens and early 20s. Certainly not a chad but had a good time. A decade later and I'm a doctor and very well off financially, and in excellent shape and dating is 10 times harder and that's being generous. I	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:24 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? While I agree with your definition, I think you need to include single moms if you're talking about plenty of such women. You also need to include mentally healthy. Now the number can get quite small.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:20 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? Why do you doubt it? Like who else do you think they go for? A guy who is unattractive? And no, but if you come down to average looking it's just going for ones on their own level.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:19 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? So what marker should we use then? Just whatever number people want to make up online?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:18 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? I find a lot of them remain single as you say. Almost no one is settling down with a guy below them in looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:17 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? Yeah I found it easiest in my early 20s. I underwent probably the biggest amount of self improvement there is and dating/rejections are much worse in my 30s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:16 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? How does it get much easier for a guy? Most quality women are taken. How many quality women do you see at age 30 without a ring?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:16 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? Average age of marriage says otherwise. Statistics are facts, the rest is just made up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:15 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? I haven't seen that at all and have enormous amounts of experience. Women are not settling. They're still going for the optimal match.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:14 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? I literally see attractive women in their early 30s dating the same type of guys as they did in their 20s. Who else exactly do you think they go for?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:13 AM
–	Why do we pretend that dating priorities undergo a massive change after age 30? I don't think they catch up at all. Do you have any proof of this? A 30 year old pretty woman can go on dating apps and have a few hundred matches. A 30 year old guy can go on dating apps and get.... a handful of matches including bots.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 04:12 AM
–	Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him? The outcomes are honestly very similar. You're not attracting someone better in real life vs apps. It's the same final outcome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 03:08 AM
–	Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him? This is so untrue unless you mean women literally approaching you and asking for your number. But they will make it extremely easy. It'll happen at the workplace even if you're actually handsome and tall.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 03:07 AM
–	Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him? This person does not exist. But I promise you that a tall attractive 24 year old with a good career will have women coming onto him. Especially in the corporate world. It's a guarantee. It'll happen and will happen within weeks and happen repeatedly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 03:05 AM
–	Case study: A top 10% man who has it all. Why aren’t women interested in him? Few possibilities Jake doesn't exist (most likely) . I'm very wealthy in my 30s and I still acknowledge that 100k a year at age 24 in finance is very rare. Now what are the odds that this person is also 6'2, blonde, handsome and in good shape? The odds are astronomically low. There is a critical flaw that isn't noticed upfront Not heterosexual	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 03:03 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? i think it's more that a single mom still has so many options that being "less desirable" is a non issue. Attractive single moms literally have so many options that being less desirable is meaningless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 02:59 AM
–	Question about buying attraction I quite literally have known thousands of professional women. My medical school had 220 students, x4 years. I've met new doctors constantly over time. I've met lawyers and business owners. I have a pretty big sample size I'm drawing conclusions from. I didn't say they're dating someone working at Mcdonalds. but it's a complete misconception that they're looking for someone "above their level." It's also a coping mechanism for many men. "Oh I got rejected by her because I don't make enough money"…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/24 02:57 AM
1	The male "Provider" isn't Biology. Women are just entitled. Outside of sugar daddies, it's a myth. A woman making 60k can combine her income with a guy making 70k.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/24 02:41 AM
2	Women harp endlessly about entitlement and men feeling “owed” but in reality most people expect to be able get someone similar to them in all areas and framing this as “entitlement” is a deflection from the real issue You're looking for outliers to make a broad statement. That's not how it works... Lots of women are attractive to a large percentage of the male population and vice versa. Saying it's subjective is usually coping for guys who are 5/10 or less. No amount of subjectivity will give that guy lots of options with more attractive girls.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 06:26 PM
1	Women harp endlessly about entitlement and men feeling “owed” but in reality most people expect to be able get someone similar to them in all areas and framing this as “entitlement” is a deflection from the real issue Not really. Your typical hot girls are into conventionally attractive men. It gets "subjective" when you go down to average looking people and try to find something you like.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 05:01 PM
6	Women harp endlessly about entitlement and men feeling “owed” but in reality most people expect to be able get someone similar to them in all areas and framing this as “entitlement” is a deflection from the real issue You're right but these things are also objective. If I have a Phd and good job skills with no red flags, but I'm forced to take an entry level job... well true the free market is giving that. But it's not objectively reflective of what I should be hired for. Likewise, a pretty solid well rounded guy can face many challenges in dating that are unrealistic by any true standard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 07:46 AM
0	Women harp endlessly about entitlement and men feeling “owed” but in reality most people expect to be able get someone similar to them in all areas and framing this as “entitlement” is a deflection from the real issue Right. Standards are just unrealistic and for men it's really out of your control.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 07:04 AM
–	About dating younger women Lets just not forget that a mid 20s conventionally good looking guy is at the peak of male sexual attraction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 06:04 AM
–	About dating younger women What is?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 06:03 AM
–	About dating younger women That 1 in 20 will also have very high standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 06:02 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Everything you said is true. My main point is that there just isn't an alternative option for many men. If you're a guy in your 30s and fairly successful and look okay (not necessarily good looking facewise) then that may be what your options narrow down to. In my experience, lot of these guys will try younger women and get rejected nonstop. They'll go out with single moms who might be slightly good looking and with single women who might be quite a bit less attractive. And that's who they're ul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/24 05:58 AM
–	About dating younger women Why? Status only counts like that when it's <0.01%. But you're right about the second part.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 08:18 PM
–	About dating younger women Chances are you weren't subpar looking in your 20s though and didn't magically develop a nice face in your 40s. A lot of younger guys in their 20s get sold the idea of suddenly becoming attractive once older. Makes zero sense. Not to mention that a hot guy who is 25 will easily outcompete an okay looking 40 year old who is rich.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 08:18 AM
13	Men should stop asking women for advice I find women are more honest privately. For example, my female friends will quickly admit how important looks are (face wise). But it's hard to do in public and it's usually "looks aren't everything."	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:53 AM
6	Men should stop asking women for advice It used to be just those men but there are a lot of average tier men who are decent in other aspects of life who heavily struggle too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:43 AM
3	Men should stop asking women for advice It's just gotten worse the last few years. A lot of this stuff has always existed though. But we know for a fact that more people are staying single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:42 AM
2	About dating younger women Exclude the sugar babies first. But if you see my other reply, you need to remember that the 40 year old guy dating 24 year olds is almost always good looking himself. This is not just "stay in shape and get a haircut."	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:34 AM
2	About dating younger women The big point though is that attractive girls in their 20s almost always want the chad types. That's who they date and marry. We're ignoring the overwhelming majority and focusing on some outliers. The ones dating older men are still looking for good looking older guys. It's just 40 year old chad now instead of 25 year old. If you're a 40 year old attractive guy, it's just a continuation of everything. But we sell this idea to young guys that you magically go from average looking to super hot on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:33 AM
4	About dating younger women You're magnifying what is ultimately a small number of girls. The human brain is literally wired to fixate over exceptions and outliers. There's no question a small percentage like older men. But it's a small percentage. Now exclude the ones with daddy issues and mental health problems. Then exclude those wanting a sugar daddy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:29 AM
8	About dating younger women Coping is really a big part of this. So many guys in their 20s get sold this idea that they'll magically peak in their 30s and 40s. I mean great, you "peaked." At what though? And to who? Not to 23 year old women. The cute guy they know who makes them laugh is who they're into. Not the 38 year old firm manager making 140k with a small belly, mediocre face and zero charisma.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:27 AM
6	About dating younger women Dude there was women in their early 50s who have chads chasing them. I don't think you have any idea how desirable women remain.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:20 AM
8	About dating younger women Almost all of the hotter women in their 20s that I know find older guys gross just due to age alone and strictly like guys who are within 0-2 years of them. That's also their dating history. This is pure fantasy man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:18 AM
8	About dating younger women Multiple reasons for this niche interests and exceptions and people love to fixate on the exceptions sugar daddy arrangements, which absolutely do not count. most of those girls are grossed out by those men but sleep with them for the money biggest reason: coping. "when I'm older, all the hot girls in their 20s will want me." obviously, this is not true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:17 AM
1	About dating younger women Not really. But I see your point. I've had declining success dating into my 30s now, but still go on some dates. Very hard to find someone I'm attracted to. Reason I came on here, just as an example, is to dispute people who think that money/status in your 30s helps you. It doesn't at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:11 AM
2	About dating younger women "How are you single" or variations of that statement is just one of those lame compliments. It's not real. I find lack of physical attraction and lack of a spark/chemistry are the 2 big reasons why women won't go on a 2nd date. If they're attracted to you, they will and they will find a way to make it work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:10 AM
5	About dating younger women It's uncommon. All of the older wealthy guys I know are with women their own age. The redpill folks tend to exaggerate the sugar daddy arrangements and pretend it's a big majority. It's not. And arrangements aren't real relationships.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:08 AM
3	About dating younger women Yes and they expect allowances, payments for various things etc. They're not looking to just sleep with the guy and move on or date the guy and contribute 50% like they would with their looksmatch in a normal relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:07 AM
3	About dating younger women Over rated. They would just get a sugar daddy. The problem is everyone likes to include the sugar daddy stuff in these conversations and pretend it's real.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:06 AM
1	About dating younger women I wouldn't say that is conclusive of anything. But you forgot the part that the girl would expect a sugar daddy. I would try to not ignore that key part.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:05 AM
4	About dating younger women Sample size is "trust me bro" It's at the most 10% of younger women and that's with modest age gaps only. Think 23 year old with a 28 year old. The 21 year old with a 35 year old guy is like 1 in 20 women at the most and almost all have daddy issues.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:04 AM
5	About dating younger women It's not a large percentage of younger women who want older men. It's less than 10%, and even smaller if it's truly a big age gap.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 06:02 AM
0	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? What? The point is that if you aren't good looking, there won't be any interest to begin with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/24 05:51 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? I have but they had the face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 05:02 PM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? This is what you have to look forward to as a guy in your 20s when you get told you "will peak at 35" or some nonsense like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 04:58 PM
1	It has never been easier to approach women If she's getting approached by good looking men then why wouldn't she set her standards at that level? If you were below average and hotter women approached you daily, wouldn't you assume that's your cut off?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 07:57 AM
1	Question about buying attraction Clout might work in some niches (think rock bands). It doesn't work otherwise for mainstream guys. If you're a pro athlete then sure but then chances are you aren't posting on here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 07:54 AM
1	Men are entitled I'm not here to dispute your post except the part about check boxes. Honestly, a lot of that is nonsense. When it comes to actions and actually picking a guy, none of those check list exists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 07:47 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Those things barely have impact in the final outcome. Might give you a date only for them to realize there's no spark.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 06:03 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? You would need an 8/10 face at that height but I've seen guys with 7/10 faces pull it off too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 04:25 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? You're very limited in becoming hotter as a guy. A guy who isn't obese, doesn't dress weird and doesn't have a major fixable flaw, is pretty much near his peak for looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 04:24 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? How do you hold attention if it doesn't even exist in the first place? You're jumping to step 2-3, and ignoring step 1.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 04:24 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Not sure I agree here. Basically any guy who is not good looking and desirable will come off as a bunch of those things by simply putting in effort. Even if it's modest effort .But an attractive guy doing all of those things, will mostly be seen as appealing. Obviously not true if they're acting toxic or silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:52 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Everyone is then messaging the top 2-3% of men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:49 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? I have experience with both. I think it's hilarious to think that looks are somehow less important because you met in person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:48 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Self improvement is mostly a distraction unless there's truly a low hanging fruit like obesity. How much do you think a guy with an average face/height/lean body/average job can improve?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:47 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Improving your looks as a man is incredibly hard and you're looking at very marginal benefit for extensive work. A big social life that appeals to women is rooted into innate personality traits. Most of these outcomes are pre determined.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:40 AM
2	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Because chasing excellent will yield zero success with women whereas chasing women will likely yield some success at least.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:39 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? As a semi broke college student, that's when I got 90% of my dates/hook ups. As a doctor in my 30s who is extremely well off financially, it's incredibly harder now. Grinding doesn't pay off at all in this context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:38 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? You should volunteer for things you like. It's silly for people to make it into dating advice. It's very unlikely that someone you come across while volunteering will be single, attractive to you, and also be into you mutually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:34 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Working on yourself is mostly a myth. You need good finances and a career for yourself. You should be in good shape. You should do whatever it takes to get better. But desirable dating traits are mostly innate. Everything you can work for, is just a bonus.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:31 AM
5	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Depends how short. If you're hot and 5'7, you'll have more than enough options. It's when your average is average and you're 5'7 and you have very few options at that point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:29 AM
0	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? That happens but you forgot one part. It happens when the woman is average herself. So of course she'll fall for the average tier looks + good personality guy. That's where her standards are set. As the women get more attractive, men below a certain threshold don't even count in her radar. Now I get that people are obsessed with digging up outliers (which always come with a catch) and ignoring >95% of the cases but that's not reality. That's just coping.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:28 AM
4	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Both matter and looks matter a bit more. Personality is just a close second place. The gap is wider if the woman is attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:26 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Ignore all compliments and just look at actions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:25 AM
2	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Honestly if someone says I'm a catch, I don't invest much into that. Women say that to guys, who they turn them themselves. Lol. What does that tell you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:24 AM
2	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? I'm a doctor in my 30s and very well off financially and it is much harder now than it was in my 20s. Far fewer options, far higher standards to meet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:23 AM
1	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? You can't just be confident and even if you were, you still run into a wall. Confident guys do well in their own league. They can't shoot upward.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:22 AM
4	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? It's like when they say "looks aren't everything." Well okay sure but "not everything" is still something. It's still step 1. You can't get past that level without looks. It's always jumping way ahead.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:21 AM
2	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? Very good post. A big chunk of that kind of advice is for men they're already attracted to. This is true for all sorts of things that women say they like. It bypasses step 1 and 2.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:18 AM
2	What is a common piece of dating advice that is worthless in your experience? The issue is that the "real you" will come out pretty quickly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 03:17 AM
1	You struggle with dating because you live in a large city Yeah but what's the success rate when approaching them? 0 from 0 is 0.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 02:25 AM
1	You struggle with dating because you live in a large city There's some truth to this but the reason is mostly that the competition is so low in those smaller cities compared to big ones.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 02:22 AM
2	The whole “dating is better in X” argument Being good looking and taller does make it a lot easier though. At some point we need to accept that most dating excuses are just silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 02:15 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? The majority of people in society are able to afford small dates. To say otherwise is being completely dishonest. It's a choice to go on expensive dates and finances are not a huge barrier. The issue with your argument is that being able to afford cool dates doesn't mean you'll get one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 02:04 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I think for many guys, how many years can you go on to find someone attracted to you? Where it's also mutual.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 02:01 AM
1	Question about buying attraction Those are all different. A big chunk of lawyers make 5 figures. they're not dating a broke guy sure but they might just date a teacher or someone of that nature. Nurses have a very broad dating pool, many could be paramedics for example. Female doctors often have a partner from during their training. There are not that many single professional women in their 30s with no kids.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 02:01 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? That's true. But 2 things happen: lots of men start off not wanting single moms, then get rejected by others, and then realize they need to broaden their options a lot more if you're less desirable to 30/100 people, you still have 70 options which is a lot	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 01:58 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Raising your value is essentially a myth. It's just a mental thing. Unless you have a flaw, you aren't becoming much better looking. You're not getting taller as an taller. Your personality is more or less the same. People undergo what they believe is self improvement and that's great for other reasons. But you're more or less in the same spot. If you manage to truly undergo major social mobility to a higher socioeconomic class then you do get to hang around new people which gives you higher odd…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/24 01:56 AM
1	Question about buying attraction in what setting are you using those things? I hang out with wealthy guys a lot. I'm well off. I'm just curious how you think those things materialize into success.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 07:40 AM
1	Question about buying attraction No I do get a bit of attention/interest but not that much. Certainly less than my early 20s. Far fewer options now in my 30s, takes far more effort. I'm actually in the very high end for finances by physician standards too. Yes doctors get married a lot but also divorce a lot. The medical subreddits are full of (men) with dating problems. It's a huge myth that you get a huge boost in your dating prospects. You will find your looksmatch for sure but that's sort of true for many guys. Most nurses/…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 07:38 AM
1	Question about buying attraction Which is why they tend to marry their looksmatch, just educated ones. That's not what the manosphere would lead you to think though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 07:21 AM
1	Question about buying attraction I like cars so yes I have multiple sports cars. You're genuinely talking about stuff that men like (cars, watches).	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 07:16 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Is english your first language? I said "say that to all of the high earning professionals I know who married single moms." That is referring to the specific group of those men that I know. Not saying all men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 07:15 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? That's just redpill talking points. Yes you're generally right but even "falling off" after just means you go from... lets say 100 options down to 90 options. Whereas men go from 0-1 options to... 0-1. Maybe 0-2 options if they really improved a lot. Women used to look for different markers back when they didn't work. Now they make up more than 50% of many professions, make up the bulk of higher education and get lots of the good white collar jobs. That means the shift to prioritizing looks and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 07:14 AM
1	Question about buying attraction To some degree but that's only on paper. I'm a physician and what you're saying is true but just to a small extent, in the hospital setting for example. Most people are married or taken. Younger women are largely not interested. Yes the occasional person will be but it's not remotely what you think. Compare it to a 21 year old in college and the options are far more limited.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 07:09 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? It might be lowering standards but what choice do they have?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 07:03 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? What kind of source do you want on that? I didn't say all of them do, or that most do. Or that it's disproportionate. The fact that many do is enough. I'm guessing you think that a 45 year old successful guy is dating 22 year olds and that's the universal rule.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:57 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Of course.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:56 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? "Desperate men" are a huge spectrum. A lot of guys just latch onto the first woman who gives them real attention and marry that person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:55 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Because most men who are successful will be age 35+. Maybe slightly younger. But a bulk of your age group who are single will have baggage. Many will be single moms. It's not that they start off wanting to date a single mom. It's that your options are narrowed to that. Not many single women in their 30s with no kids, no baggage, mentally healthy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:47 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Are you saying it's a privilege that I could afford a coffee date which cost 5$?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:45 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? What percentage of men are desirable, attractive, well off and have lots of options? I'll let you answer that for me and educate me on this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:44 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? That is true. There aren't that many attractive guys to go around. 2 things to note though. 1) Women are more okay being single than men. Men don't tolerate it as well. 2) Women can get sex extremely easily, with top tier guys. Men cannot. So women can wait out being single for very long, especially if they don't have kids. And if they do, well sex won't be an issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:43 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? If you're a truly attractive man, then yes it's not really relevant. But most men aren't attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:29 AM
-1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Not all of them	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:28 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? That's true	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:28 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? So how are you defining desirable then? Desirability is a byproduct of what the opposite sex wants. If you can attract a certain tier of men or women, then you have that level of desirability. If a fairly attractive single mom is able to pull off above average looking men who are financially well off, then that's her desirability level.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:23 AM
1	Question about buying attraction So you were a 7 and being an athlete made you a 9-10? Cool. But being a 7 is enough for most guys. That basically says, you're good looking and just need a bit of game and personality. Most guys are not 7s and can never be no matter what you do. Try being a 4-5/10 and short then see if you have lots of options with supposed status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:19 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? If you don't have other options, what are you supposed to do ?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:17 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? There is a big line up of men who will trust me	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:13 AM
1	Question about buying attraction Yeah, like who? Sugar babies and escorts? Yes you can have your pick of sex workers, who hang around with you in various capacities. Usually for direct money, and sometimes indirect. What new class of women are you talking about?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:13 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I agree about the relativity part but I'm just talking in absolute terms. Men are also worse relativity with age.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/24 06:10 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I agree with everything but my point is that there are still enough quality options for those women anyway. Many men won't be interested but some will.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 09:15 PM
1	Question about buying attraction It's a checkbox requirement that you have a half decent job with okay money. It doesn't give you a big advantage to be well off unless you're a sugar daddy. My dating prime was my early 20s. I'm wealthy in my 30s and it's quite a bit harder now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 09:14 PM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? It's not the 60s bro. They're almost all employed and many of them make a decent living. Combined with an okay income on the other end, and the household income is enough to have a normal life. But to address your point, I know quite a few high earning professionals who married single moms. Usually it was due to age. If you're 38 or 40 for example, many in your age group have a kid. The women are also educated and fairly well off. The "need a man to take care them" thing is long gone. It still e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 08:19 AM
3	Question about buying attraction Sure bud lol. You could pull 750k tomorrow and not one woman will notice or care, unless you're paying cash upfront. This is true even if you're a 6/10 or 8/10 yourself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 08:15 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I totally understand that. But we don't live in a world where men get their preferences. You have to step it down 5 levels just to have a shot and even then you can get lots of rejections. Most men do this subconsciously. Ultimately for many, their dating options will be lots of single moms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 08:13 AM
4	Question about buying attraction You mean he can pull other 2/10s. Yes I'd agree with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 08:11 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Because they choose to be or are very picky.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 08:10 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Men peak at 85 bro	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 08:09 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I wouldn't. But attractive single moms wouldn't even look twice at all of the men who think they would have an opportunity to turn them away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 08:08 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? What's true in the US is true in every western country when it comes to this topic. Many non-western countries are the same as us too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:55 AM
3	Question about buying attraction Right that's basically every upper class guy I know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:53 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I agree but there are lots of men that will.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:51 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? You can't work to improve your options unless you have a big flaw. It's a myth. Bone structure and personality traits are already pretty set by adult hood.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:51 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Lol have you not learned that alpha and beta aren't a real thing?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:50 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I live in the suburbs of a big city. What I'm saying holds true on a national level even if it isn't true for you in your own neighborhood.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:47 AM
-1	Question about buying attraction Your post has some contradictions. Rich men can afford divorces and child support? Well sure the very rich ones yes. But then you say you don't need to become a millionaire? In the US, if you aren't a multi millionaire then you aren't even entry level rich. A millionaire would get destroyed with alimony. If I make 1.5 million in total income, I lose a huge chunk to income and capital gains and dividend taxes. If I'm also paying alimony and child support, that's not much left to fund an affluent …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:46 AM
2	Question about buying attraction He probably has seen photos of Dan Bilzerian and that's who he's citing as proof	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:23 AM
1	Question about buying attraction They're not hoping for a sugar daddy or any of that stuff. Because it isn't happening! If they're hooking up with a rich guy who is below them in looks, it's because there is an exchange of payment. Or they're pseudo sex workers in some capacity. I'm as wealthy as it gets for my age group and quite literally no one cares unless I'm planning on giving them direct cash.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:22 AM
3	Question about buying attraction Are you watching? What proof do you have? I live in a super wealthy neighborhood. Every rich guy I know has an average looking wife. I also know ones who have affairs, with other average looking women. You're thinking of sugar babies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:20 AM
1	Question about buying attraction It gives you like 0.5. Not 2 points lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:18 AM
2	Question about buying attraction Why are you comparing to a homeless guy with 0 dollars? In real life, it's a guy who makes 60k per year. That's a realistic comparison. Give that guy a 8/10 face and he beats the 5/10 guy making 3 million any day. The only exception is essentially if you're a pro athlete making 3 million.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:17 AM
3	Question about buying attraction Most rich men I know are married to very average looking women who are pretty educated and have their own career, or at least had. My entire block is wealthy folks, many of whom are not old. I have yet to see one single gold digger who is with their rich husband who is below them in looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:15 AM
2	Question about buying attraction Honestly the gold digging thing is a myth nowadays. I'm rich, and actually quite rich for my age, and my success rate actually went down after getting rich. The only women who care are the ones wanting an actual true sugar daddy. Otherwise I think it has basically zero weight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:10 AM
1	Question about buying attraction You actually can't compensate anymore. That has died out completely from the 2000s until now. Saying you can divorce and get another person is funny cause you forgot about alimony and child support. Power and status can make you more attractive if it's at the extreme levels, not attainable to >99.99% of men ever. Good luck becoming a famous billionaire or world leader, or at least a pro athlete. Also a lot of men actually do think that money makes you genuinely hot. Lol. So I don't think you're …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:08 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? 18-25 is when you're around the most single women. It's usually the peak of your facial aesthetics and for many the lowest body fat percentage you'll have. It's also when you have the most in common with women in that age group. You don't need that much money for dates. How much does going out for a drink cost? Seeing a movie? Dinner? It's not that expensive. I don't recall finances being my limitation in dating at all during those years. It was definitely prime time and I'm in my 30s and a very…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 06:02 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? In real life, for every guy who says "no" there are 20 others fighting for that spot. Having a kid might not make you the first choice for others, but what happens when those guys are rejected nonstop by everyone else? You have to broaden your options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 05:57 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Not enough to be well off. You can be a sugar daddy if all you have is money. You also need to be a very good looking 45 year old. You're narrowing things down to the tiniest percentage of men. 30 year old women are looking for men in their 30s. If they're attractive and single, they likely have very high standards.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 05:55 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? You can choose younger women all day but once all 25 out of 25 women in their 20s reject you (not necessarily you specifically) then reality kicks in and it's time to adjust standards. Men aren't exactly choosing unless they're in the very high end tier of the dating pool.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 05:53 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Date casually? Absolutely. Marry? No. But for a huge number of men, the latter means being single forever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 05:51 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Yes to the baggage and it being harder than it would be if you're single. But it's not exceptions to the rule. You think well off 45 year old men are getting married to 25 year olds?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 05:50 AM
-4	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Sure but in real life you're a 37 year old male professional and almost no one under 30 is interested. Then above 30 you either go for someone below you in looks or someone who looks decent but has a kid. That's just how it plays out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 04:04 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? That kind of guy is incredibly rare. They also probably wouldn't have been an incel at 21, just underachieving.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 04:02 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? There is no shortage of men looking for a relationship in any age group. Standards are high and those men are often not sexually appealing or exciting so they're not considered an option. One of my friends is 34 and a single mom. Pretty attractive and quite literally has options from every angle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:59 AM
3	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Lol say that to all of the high earning professionals I know who married single moms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:57 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Value is all based on what people are willing to offer. In dating, it's all dependent on who is willing to go out with you. People who want to believe they have high value and set their standards accordingly may not actually find anyone at all. I think that women proportionately maintain their dating value. The same level of guys who were into them at age 20 will also be into them at age 40. It's just the age of everyone goes up. Sure if you gain lots of weight then that goes down. But barring a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:56 AM
1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I'm not really talking about high quality men of that standard though. Not really relevant to any discussion to fixate on the top <1% (of anything) when 99% of the population isn't there. We can talk about average men or maybe those who are a bit above average to account for all the self improvement stuff. What I'm saying is very true for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:48 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? A single mom who is actually hot has infinite options. I'm guessing you're talking about average looking women only. While you're right that men won't be jumping at the chance, what do you think happens if you get rejected by everyone else? Even a decent guy in his late 30 for example has very few options, basically zero.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:46 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? The chad types have their primes in college. Even those who are somewhat appealing or a little above average in appeal (which I was personally) quickly level off through their 20s. Especially as you get into a career and suddenly your ability to find anyone is far more narrow logistically. I don't know how anyone could possibly think it's age 30 unless you had zero success and finally find a girlfriend. What age of first?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:25 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? If you say so	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:20 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? In my profession, the average income is in the mid 6 figure range. A lot of guys are older when they marry or divorced and remarrying. During get togethers, I'm shocked at just how many of their wives have kids from prior relationships. Just because you prefer something doesn't mean you'll get it. Most importantly about everything you said, how many guys in their 30s have a good looking face, are tall, and financially successful? To say that's even 1 in 100 men is being generous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:17 AM
-1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I would disagree with older men being appealing to younger. Only a small percentage of women in their 20s are into much older men. Men's prime time is 18-25 when their dating pool is women their own age. We always like to pretend this isn't a huge fact. No guy is going from borderline incel at 21 to being a sex symbol at age 40.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:14 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? If decent looking 40 year old men with good careers are your dating options, that doesn't make you undesirable. Compare that to most men, where they have zero options and need to work hard just to get a single date. What you're saying is, just because people are willing to pay 700k for a home doesn't mean it's worth 700k. Well sure, but that's what the market value is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:11 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? What you're saying is true but it's due to high standards and/or being extremely picky. Not lack of options. Most guys are not meeting the looks cut off. Then others aren't tall enough. Some may not have had a "spark."	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:09 AM
-2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? totally fair but I'm speaking broadly about the dating pool and how lack of options is not reality. Single moms in their 30s are still very picky. Perhaps not at picky as they used to be but lowering your standards from wanting a guy who is an 8/10 to 7/10, is still quite high and unattainable for most men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:01 AM
-3	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I wasn't disputing the reasons behind the argument. I was disputing that women "losing dating value" is actually even remotely true. All of the evidence shows this is far from the truth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 03:00 AM
0	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? They're not being desperate about it. You're just talking to people who are offended and angry. If your dating app has 1000 matches ready in 1 week, there's no desperation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 02:58 AM
2	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? So how many women are you going out with who are attractive, mentally healthy, have a decent job, younger, no kids ?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 02:57 AM
-1	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? Because regardless of your job, if you're 42 and a 5/10 and average height, who else are you dating/hooking up with? Who do you think makes up the dating pool at that age? Like I said, for every 10+ of those guys there is maybe 1 (if even that) who is with someone much younger in their 20s. As to your initial point, well for many men it's either that or being fully alone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 02:56 AM
-4	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? I'm just putting out the broad facts. Not speaking about you individually or any specific individuals. A 35 year old single mom who is attractive has way too many options and wouldn't care too much for a particular individual either. Not the same story if they're very average looking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 02:53 AM
3	Why do many men say that older women or single moms are less desirable for dating? If you believe certain men online, women's value drops to 0 by age 30 and men's value skyrockets. In reality, both are just about 100% false.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/24 02:30 AM
1	How do you classify & determine leagues? Money and status impact a guy's league if it's in the super elite tier of <0.1%.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/24 04:48 AM
2	How do you classify & determine leagues? I'm always skeptical to be honest with you. Whenever I've seen photos after these claims, it's two looks matched people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/24 04:45 AM
1	How do you classify & determine leagues? I would agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/24 04:44 AM
1	How do you classify & determine leagues? I totally agree with what you're saying. But whether or not they even engage with you to start is based on your league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 04:51 AM
-2	How do you classify & determine leagues? Well that's the point right. She won't be into you if you're not in her league. Time is limited and wasting it on frustration isn't a good use of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 04:38 AM
1	Are muscles over rated? If you put their body on a 4-5/10 man's face, suddenly it has little value. Not saying zero, but just little value.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 02:48 AM
1	Are muscles over rated? If someone tells me they're a bodybuilder then I want to know when their last/next show is. Not just someone who works out. But I know what you're trying to say. The incel community has a lot of those physiques as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 02:19 AM
1	Are muscles over rated? I don't understand what you're saying	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 02:18 AM
1	Are muscles over rated? Celebrities are not relevant. Cavill also has a very good looking face. If you're 5'8 with 11% body fat and a 5/10 face it still won't matter. Now switch out to a 8/10 face and suddenly that guy has unlimited options .	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 02:17 AM
2	Are muscles over rated? So basically you like a nice frame and face. That's what I always say in terms of what most women like and get push back on it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 02:14 AM
1	Are muscles over rated? Yes that's true	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 02:13 AM
1	Are muscles over rated? The extremely muscular physique isn't even possible to obtain for almost all men, regardless of drugs/years training. There are some women who like it but definitely <5%.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 02:13 AM
1	Are muscles over rated? If you're very muscular then it's just a niche look. A small percentage will be into it, most will not be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 02:12 AM
1	Are muscles over rated? A little bit sure but it's largely if the face is also at least above average. Now if you look average, the nice body effect will help with women below your level actually.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 02:10 AM
1	Are muscles over rated? If you like working you for more muscles, you should do it. You should do it at minimum for health reasons. But it has minimal effect on dating prospects. However men think it has a huge impact.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/24 02:09 AM
3	Are muscles over rated? Give the first guy a 4-5/10 face and 5'5 height and see how it goes. Achievable things do not make a guy that much more sexually attractive. Muscles and money are two big ones. You can achieve them and impress other men. You can pay other women with the money. But you can't make them actually like you like the second guy can.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 08:08 AM
2	Are muscles over rated? It's not lies. Otherwise, bodybuilders would be the top choice for women and we would see this in day to day society. But they actually make up a big percentage of incels.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 07:58 AM
3	Are muscles over rated? I'm going to do some medical corrections on this (I'm a practicing physician). More muscle does not draw blood away from the brain. It doesn't necessarily limit range of motion if you maintain mobility. Cardiac disease is a byproduct of steroid use and not just being jacked. For purposes of dating prospects, it's overrated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 07:51 AM
3	Are muscles over rated? That's basically saying self improvement with improving your physique has minimal value.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/24 07:48 AM
2	How would legal prostitution change society in America? Because sex is just part of the puzzle only.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 06:37 AM
–	Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population? You can't improve your looks unless you have a big flaw.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 03:58 AM
–	Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population? When you exclude men who pay, those who hook up with women they aren't attracted to, and infrequent sex ... well the % is way lower.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 03:22 AM
–	Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population? That's usually just an excuse. Women might reject men for a specific reason but then date a guy after who has many flaws. It's all about the looks and natural chemistry. You can't "improve" your way into that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 03:21 AM
–	Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population? They were actually lied to by mostly men. Men do things that they think impress women, when in reality they impress men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 03:20 AM
–	Why do women here try to assert that any man expressing frustration with dating must be undesirable or needs to improve in some way, and that they are some small fringe of the population? Not really. I think you actually get a pretty good sense of average men on here. "Self improvement" is mostly a myth unless you have some critical flaw. You cannot improve your league, which is what people are sold.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/24 03:15 AM
3	Sticking to your kind is the best recipe for success Yeah but that's a minimum standard. A good job would not get you full on interested either by itself. A lot of people think a man with a great career is very attractive to broad ranges of women. Even if he's a bit shorter or mediocre looks wise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 03:55 AM
0	Sticking to your kind is the best recipe for success The latter. But it's not conflicting at all. I'm saying that it's the latter but women will often say or assume that the successful guy (who is a 4-5/10 in looks) has lots of dating options. But their personal actions would never follow that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 03:54 AM
0	Sticking to your kind is the best recipe for success I don't disagree but women also preach this type of thought. In everyday conversation, women will generally assume that a male CEO or doctor or successful business owner has lots and lots of options when it comes to dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 02:50 AM
-1	Sticking to your kind is the best recipe for success It's not really the red pill that came up with this idea. Even the media teaches this idea of becoming very desirable if you're older and successful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 02:38 AM
1	Sticking to your kind is the best recipe for success The underlying premise is that men are taught that you can make yourself attractive (not true) and that doing well in school translates to better job prospects (true) and later translates to doing better with women (not true at all).	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 02:19 AM
7	Sticking to your kind is the best recipe for success They think that the nerd gets the good job and women later in life. That is absolutely not true at all, which is my point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 02:18 AM
0	Sticking to your kind is the best recipe for success That's not really what men are taught. It's more "study hard, get a good job, women will come for you." So for many they see the cool kid in class get the girls, and later watch the jock do it in high school, then the frat boy in college. Then after graduating, it's the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/24 01:55 AM
2	Low Social status is the biggest turn off to women. It's not average looks, or less than desirable income. I think when people see a guy/girl who are looks mismatched, they think "how did he get her?" when the real answer is that there is more to the story.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 05:43 PM
0	Low Social status is the biggest turn off to women. It's not average looks, or less than desirable income. The point is that the figure will be much higher than 15%. Your 2% figure may be deflated by those willing to say the truth on that matter, especially if illegal. It also excludes those 30-35.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 05:42 PM
1	Its impossible to be high status and not completely dominate in terms off women. It beats looks, money, and status by a mile. You think that makes you physically attractive to women out of your league?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 04:19 AM
1	Its impossible to be high status and not completely dominate in terms off women. It beats looks, money, and status by a mile. I make way more than that as a doctor and have a very nice passive income stream as well. It has almost zero benefit unless you're looking to be an actual sugar daddy. I had a much easier time dating in college. Now, I get some interest from very average looking women who I'm not very attracted to. Generally ones with good education though. But anyone who is attractive? Not a chance. A 7 figure income brings almost zero interest unless you're planning on giving allowance payments to a sugar baby…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 03:36 AM
–	I think wealthy men do actually care about how much money a woman has I'll jump in as a doctor who is a very high earner even by doctor standards. I definitely care about the woman's socioeconomic status and formal college education as well. One interest thing to learn is that lower socioeconomic women actually have little to no interest in wealthier men, unless it's a sugar daddy scenario. From the outside, you'd think it's the opposite. But they truly prefer that tall 6-7/10 guy who makes 40k a year and has good chemistry with them than a wealthy guy who they ca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 03:01 AM
1	Its impossible to be high status and not completely dominate in terms off women. It beats looks, money, and status by a mile. You're way overestimating the value of being a "specialist doctor on a dating app" or any other mainstream profession.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:57 AM
1	Low Social status is the biggest turn off to women. It's not average looks, or less than desirable income. Fake it till you make it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:53 AM
2	Low Social status is the biggest turn off to women. It's not average looks, or less than desirable income. Funniest part is assuming every single male-female duo in public is by default a couple. I've been shocked at how often things like, brother/sister, family member, friend (where the guy in question is not straight), sugar baby amongst other examples have been the explanation of a looks mismatched guy/girl.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:53 AM
3	Low Social status is the biggest turn off to women. It's not average looks, or less than desirable income. How did you confirm it's his girlfriend?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:51 AM
1	Low Social status is the biggest turn off to women. It's not average looks, or less than desirable income. So are you going for very average and a bit overweight women? And still getting rejected nonstop?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:47 AM
5	Low Social status is the biggest turn off to women. It's not average looks, or less than desirable income. Exclude the following: 1) men who paid 2) men who hooked up with someone they were not attracted to You'll find that 15% figure really goes high once you apply the above points. you can also apply ones who contacted the girl after and didn't hear back, which excludes men who just got lucky one night.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:47 AM
2	Low Social status is the biggest turn off to women. It's not average looks, or less than desirable income. Not exactly but I see your point. Average looking isn't good enough for attractive women. You need to be at least a bit above average face wise (which is very hard). Then you need literally everything else maxed out, from height to social skills. If your face is on par with them, then just need the personality component. It's not one of the other, you need both.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:45 AM
1	Low Social status is the biggest turn off to women. It's not average looks, or less than desirable income. He gets the chance but it fades away. You need to be very attractive face wise to get a pass on everything. It's unlikely OP is that attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:42 AM
0	Low Social status is the biggest turn off to women. It's not average looks, or less than desirable income. Yes you are right. You are meeting the looks threshold to get in the door (which many men heavily struggle with) but you don't have the full personality piece. So your dating options will be limited. I definitely know what you mean in that there is some initial interest but once they realize there's no social life then it all fades away. Your best bet is an introverted quiet girl with very few to no friends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:41 AM
1	If most younger women are dating older men, should MATURE younger men attempt to date older women? Women in their early to mid 20s are not with guys in their 30s. That's a bunch of bogus and we have data (not made up content) that proves it. Yes you will find the odd girl in her late 20s who is into older men but you are far more likely to find someone your own age interested in you than someone in her 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:36 AM
4	If most younger women are dating older men, should MATURE younger men attempt to date older women? So you're saying 24 year olds are not chasing 45 year old men? Wow I'm shocker.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:33 AM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Sure but the point is that dating options get more limited.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/24 02:29 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? A lot of personality traits are either genetic or a byproduct of your upbringing. You have little control over it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 05:20 PM
0	Dating inequality cannot be fixed Yes you're right but I'm saying it wasn't uncommon to see a guy who looked okay but had a great job married to someone quite hot. Part of it was the finances but it also made the guy more attractive in the woman's eyes back then. Now? Not really. I'll use my own career as an example in medicine. Doctors in the 50s basically had their pick. A plain average 5/10 male doctor just needed some half decent social skills and to not be a weirdo and he could date one of the attractive nurses. This was so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 07:25 AM
1	Dating inequality cannot be fixed It does, you're right. But lets say you're a 6-7/10, then charisma and personality can let you date someone who is truly hot. If you're just plain average, well it'll help you move up slightly. But most guys don't have that kind of charisma. Furthermore being a 6-7/10 is not easy either. Biggest honest mistake men make is thinking a nice hair cut and going to the gym makes you into a 6-7.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 07:19 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? Those things all help if the person is already into you physically/emotionally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 07:16 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? You're right about needing something going for you but only when that "something" is innate and genetic based. Good looks, height, charisma, personality are predominantly a byproduct of genetics. That's why they lead to genuine attraction. Things you can achieve, such as money, are not solely genetic and hence never lead to genuine attraction. There is some grey area like everything else in this world where things like grooming or muscles overlap. But these things are generally complimentary onl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 05:59 AM
3	Dating inequality cannot be fixed You can disagree with me about earth not being flat. That does not make you correct. This isn't about opinions. It's about biological facts that are supported by high quality evidence. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2527715/	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 05:57 AM
3	Dating inequality cannot be fixed The issue with is more that a 5'10 guy with a 5-6/10 face and somewhat okay personality with a good job ; basically a normal guy with a good job, could likely find a good quality partner back many years ago. Now? Well many won't unless they're lucky. You need more height, a better face and a more fun social life to make the cut in each category.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 05:54 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? Many women do pay for dates though and many continue their careers for many years still. The elephant in the room is that even if you have money, it isn't a game changer if you aren't a sugar daddy. I know countless lonely rich guys with subpar looks and personalities who pay women just to hang out with them. I know countless ones who get rejected by women making 30-40k a year as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 05:52 AM
3	Dating inequality cannot be fixed The standards actually are the issue, because they're so inflated beyond reality. Being happy single is not compatible with human beings on average. Humans are social animals who need both companionship and sex. Being lonely is not healthy and being single sets up many people, especially men, to be lonely. This is a byproduct of inflated standards that are disconnected from reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 04:57 AM
–	Men have good oportunities as they age,if youre doing the grind. Who are your options to betabuck?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 04:54 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? Well we're talking about dating, no? That's the context of the conversation. You can have value in other things yes. But it won't affect your value in dating much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 04:53 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? Yeah sure. Or you can just be a sugar daddy for the same person. "every man pays" is a cope. You realize women work nowadays and huge numbers of them out earn men. I'm a 7 figure earner and I have less options than my college years.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 04:51 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? I didn't mention anything about money or game.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 04:50 AM
2	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? You're right. You also need to be likeable as a person but being very attractive really just gives you unlimited options any day of the week in any setting. Dating apps, bars, social circles, the gym. Anywhere you go, you have your pick.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:39 AM
2	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? That's just over analyzing. A nice face, slightly above average height, dadbod and good social status with peers/being likeable gives you lots of options and makes you very appealing to high quality women. The hard part is being likeable and having a nice face. Neither are things you can truly change that much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:36 AM
2	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? You can do all of those things and it'll barely help compared to a tall good looking guy with charisma and lots of friends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:34 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? Dadbod with a nice face who has lots of friends will have more options than almost all men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:32 AM
1	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? Probably the most important part that you mention is to be recognizable by others. That's extremely hard to achieve and not really in your control either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:32 AM
2	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? If you try to sell something random without any tangible value behind it, the free market value is what people are willing to pay for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:29 AM
0	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? You're saying women slept with trump for free?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:27 AM
0	What qualifications does a man have to meet to be a "high value man"? Well in the context of dating, it's about your value to women. So that's really decided by women, not by men. Men spend all of their time improving things they think women like, not realizing those are just things that other men like. (ex. muscles, cool toys) Women also don't go around evaluating men's value. If they are attracted and there is chemistry, then they go for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:26 AM
3	Dating inequality cannot be fixed That's the core issue. When you have a lot of people with unrealistic standards, then you get lots of unhappy people when those standards are not fulfilled.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:20 AM
–	Men have good oportunities as they age,if youre doing the grind. It's because standards have skyrocketed in the era of internet and social media. It used to be that if you put effort into yourself and checkboxed certain things, then you'd be a decent catch. But today, you're likely invisible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:19 AM
–	Men have good oportunities as they age,if youre doing the grind. That's what I find hilarious about these comments. Like the number of emotionally healthy women who are looking and also interested in older men is small and keeps getting smaller as you age. There are guys who got all the girls when they were younger and still succeed in their 30s and 40s. Though most of them settle down with some super hot girl. Then there's the odd guy who massively underachieved in his 20s then figures it out and gets some dates in his 30s. That's not improving with age, it'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:11 AM
–	Men have good oportunities as they age,if youre doing the grind. "betabucks" don't even exist right now. There are countless lonely men in the upper class income/wealth brackets. The same rules apply in the upper class, same as the middle class. Lower socioeconomic class women also show very little to no interest in upper class men due to complete lack of chemistry.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:05 AM
–	Men have good oportunities as they age,if youre doing the grind. You can't compete with the tall good looking men who are charismatic and very likeable; just because you think you have "resources and status." You'll find that even in upper class circles, the guys who have the looks and charisma are the ones who are successful with dating. The others are on the sidelines.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 03:03 AM
3	Dating inequality cannot be fixed I think the internet and social media has raised people's standards to unrealistic levels.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 02:53 AM
0	Dating inequality cannot be fixed Beta providers don't exist. In my upper class neighborhood, all of the women work and make good money or used to make good money and slowly cut down over the years of being married due to raising kids. There are however lots of single rich men (on the younger side) who pay sugar babies just to hang out since they can't attract anyone due to a combination of subpar looks/height & lack of charisma. After I achieved social mobility I realized what bullshit the money thing is if you are not very lik…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 02:52 AM
1	Dating inequality cannot be fixed The whole "resources" thing is utter nonsense. A well rounded career and financial status is generally a bonus. The guy still needs to meet the looks threshold and also have the charisma and likeable personality. I do think there used to be an ounce of truth to the resources argument. If you go back a couple decades, and even more so 30-40+ years, then well rounded men with good jobs could get by with a little less in the looks/charisma department. It still mattered but the threshold wasn't as h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 02:49 AM
1	Dating inequality cannot be fixed This is not true. In today's age, resources and "power" don't mean that much anymore. It's a bonus. Looks, charisma and being likeable are what matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 02:41 AM
1	Dating inequality cannot be fixed Facts and honesty are very important. Misleading men with silly nonsense like "just be confident bro" is false hope.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 02:39 AM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end There are plenty of citations you can review for yourself. It's 2024, not 2008. Wikipedia is a reliable source for general information. We're not publishing a meta analysis. I'm guessing in your world, a couple people you saw is what counts and anecdotes represent your source of information.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 02:37 AM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Not being unattractive doesn't make you attractive unfortunately. It's like how having a job doesn't make you attractive. It's just that being unemployed makes you appealing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 02:36 AM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end You need to be good looking, charismatic with a very likeable magnetic personality. None of these are things you have much control over.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 02:34 AM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Of course. You also need to be "cool" and likeable compared to most men, which is even harder to achieve than being good looking.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/24 02:33 AM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end You think average men have a good shot at becoming James Bond? lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 08:04 PM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Right. But that's just saying, if you look good then you do better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:29 PM
2	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end What's been your experience ?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:09 PM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end I would try to avoid using personal experience anecdotes to draw broader conclusions. I can swap out doctor for successful business owner and give you the same outcome. It's not your wealthy or successful dude who is middle aged dating the hot girls in their 20s. And even when it is, the guy himself looks equally hot. The only job that truly is a game changer that compensates for subpar looks with women, is pro athlete.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:09 PM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end That's great for you. But I used to go out with multiple women per week in my college years. Not everyone was hot but I simply had more options due to age than I do now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:06 PM
3	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end If you're good looking and you look younger, what's the shocker here? You can be good looking and 40 and have lots of options. The argument here is that a 5/10 guy in his 20s will suddenly become a sex symbol in his 30s just because he's older.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:00 PM
0	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Yes they marry up their socioeconomic class but not out of their league looks wise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 05:59 PM
0	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end It doesn't move the needle that much. Think of it like a 5'7 guy trying to be a great basketball player.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 05:58 PM
0	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 05:57 PM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end You're actually completely wrong on this but I can see why you say that. Broke hot women looking for a literal sugar daddy? Yes, they're interested in an arrangement. For dating/hook ups without money involved? No. I actually find the low income women are the least interested whereas the moderately successful women are who is interested primarily. There's less chemistry across socioeconomic classes. Also I've always looked like I workout.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 05:56 PM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Sure, on paper.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:58 AM
4	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end It actually doesn't. Women in their 30s-40s can go on any dating app and get hundreds of matches pretty quickly. That's a lot of options. Also you're competing with guys who are younger who are way better looking and messaging those women as well. And while controversial, there are a lot of taken men on dating apps which adds to the competition. And in real life too. Avoiding weight gain and balding is great but preventing it does not make you hot. Absence of negative physical traits does not me…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:55 AM
3	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Yes confidence matters a lot but it's part of your personality. That all comes after there is some physical attraction, which is the first step. When girls talk about a guy, they don't say "he's so confident." They say "he's so cute."	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:50 AM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end If you're an average 5/10 guy who makes 90k per year at age 35, your options are average looking women who make similar amounts +/- have a kid. I guess I don't see your actual argument here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:16 AM
2	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end I'm literally a doctor in my 30s. This is a huge myth with a tiny ounce of truth. I know zero doctors being fought over by nurses. There are a small number who have good chemistry with doctors but it's still your looksmatch like anyone else and you'll have to make the moves and take the initiative plus the risk. Your first point couldn't be further from the truth. The doctors hooking up with nurses were getting all of the girls in college as well. There is literally a weekly thread on the medica…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:10 AM
2	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end I wasn't talking about your anecdote.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:06 AM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end You mean facts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:06 AM
3	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end There's a difference between finding women to date, which I do. And going out with someone I'm into. There are less and less single women as you get older and less quality women as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:04 AM
3	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end That defies both common sense and facts. There are literally less single women. And quality women are largely taken. How can your dating pool expand?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:02 AM
5	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end It does help you look better but two things to keep in mind. The improvement is notable if you're lacking in certain areas. ex. major fat loss. Generally self improvement in looks won't be that substantial and it doesn't change your league. If you look average, you don't really become conventionally attractive. Only exceptions are teenagers into adulthood.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 06:00 AM
3	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end You mean if I was a multi millionaire in my early 20s, I'd be more successful? Lol. Sure. That isn't reality though. The dating landscape is different in that you have far fewer options. This has always been true but it's amplified in today's era where standards are way higher than they used to be. Back in the 80s, a normal looking guy with a decent personality and a great job with good money had few issues attracting someone they were really into. You could leverage your career and finances to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 04:03 AM
7	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end I've always admitted there are a small number of women into much older guys. But how many don't have daddy issues and other mental health problems?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:57 AM
4	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Yeah and it's not even close. People still live and dream like it's the 50s. I remember I was 23 and had a fling with this very pretty girl who was 24. She had a decent job herself and I was her physical type. She didn't care the slightest bit about my education or goals or anything. I think she paid for 2/3 of our dates in the end. Fast forward 10 years and just talking to an average looking woman in my own age group who asks what I do. The most you get is "oh wow cool." This is all with me bei…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:57 AM
-1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end My experience and everyone else I know in a similar boat is the exact opposite of yours. Female attention also isn't really relevant. It's the final outcome that matters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:52 AM
2	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Combined household incomes	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:50 AM
3	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end See my post about dating getting much harder for me as a wealthy doctor compared to my college years. No I wasn't a "chad." But I did better than I do now. I actually have to lower my standards quite a bit. I mention the wealthy part as I mean relative to a typical doctor, I'm wealthy. So a big check mark on money. Then you could argue that doctors have the highest social status as far as mainstream jobs go. But a trip over to the various medical reddits shows you the dating struggles. So that's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:50 AM
3	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end As a 20 year old college student I did way better with women than I do now in my 30s as a wealthy physician. It is quite literally several times harder just to get a date and even harder to get a second date. I have to lower my standards quite a bit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:47 AM
3	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end As a 20 year old college student I did way better with women than I do now in my 30s as a wealthy physician. It is quite literally several times harder just to get a date and even harder to get a second date. I have to lower my standards quite a bit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:46 AM
3	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Can't speak to NYC's details as I have never lived there. I live in Texas and it isn't anything like that. Neither is most of this country. Consider the older guys taking those girls are also paying them as that is almost always the case. NYC is well known to be a sugar daddy hot spot, I believe top in the nation. Also don't discount the fact that some of these older guys are very attractive themselves and the age gap isn't that big in many cases. I've certainly seen a super good looking 39 year…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:45 AM
7	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end That doesn't change the outcome much for various reasons. most women in their 20s won't be interested due to the age gap more and more women will be taken as your age goes up you need to be accepting of single moms and other things Your dating pool gets far more narrowed down and smaller. Some disposable income is also a minimum standard at that point and not an advantage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:40 AM
2	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end This is very untrue unless you're talking about sugar babies only. Then yes, sugar babies care a lot more about the money. Otherwise, money has never been less important. Women make their own money now and don't need the guy's money anymore. You can't buy attraction either. That's why almost every hot girl is with a conventionally good looking guy and not a rich guy. Once you exclude sugar babies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:32 AM
1	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Having a car and your own place isn't exactly some massive achievement.... So while yes you're correct that those two things open up more options than if you didn't have them, it's not some big feat. You're still competing against huge numbers of attractive men who have those things and more, as well as fun lifestyles to go along with it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:29 AM
6	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end You peak based on genetics and lifestyle choices. But it's a relative peak once you leave your 20s. Your ceiling is far lower and any success enjoyed it far lower than an appealing guy in his 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:27 AM
7	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end This stuff is some crazy level of coping. It's really there to create delayed gratification that if you "work on yourself" then suddenly you become attractive. Self improvement has little to no bearing if we're being honest. I'm in the upper class and live in an upper class neighborhood and have yet to see anyone dating or marrying out of their league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:26 AM
22	Can the “Men peak at 35” delusion finally end Yes OP you're 100% correct. You also do a good job with your latter two points. Men who suddenly do better in their 30s, generally did very poorly in their 20s. It's a relative improvement. It's like a guy who never went to the gym, who suddenly works out 6x a week in his 30s. Celebrities are quite literally of zero relevance to the general public and there is no bigger time waste than looking at what they do. The 30s/40s guy on TRT who has a good job (as you mention) is a sugar daddy and messag…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/04/24 03:20 AM
1	Would men actually be happy if dating were easy? It does but it's not a game changer. So it enhances your desirability as you say, to someone who is already attracted to you. It does not create the initial attraction. I did okay with women when I was 20 and in college. I'm a doctor in my 30s and wealthy even by physician standards and I still do okay at best with women. I would say I attract the exact same women basically but the dating pool is much smaller so it's actually more challenging.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/24 02:40 AM
1	What do people who date/marry out of their league do? Many reasons for this. 1) They're not actually a couple, just a man-woman in public (very common) who could be family or friends or anything but a couple 2) He is paying her (more common than you think) 3) He isn't as ugly as you personally see it 4) She is not as hot as you think 5) He has a niche that she's into 6) Extensive mental health problems A lot of cases are a combination of 3 and 4 as well. You'll pretty much never see an exception to this list.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 06:16 AM
1	What do people who date/marry out of their league do? An actual good looking loner will have endless options with women unless he truly can't even hold a basic conversation. If you mean a 6/10 guy, then yeah you're right.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 06:11 AM
1	What do people who date/marry out of their league do? If you exclude relationships where the man is directly giving money to the woman, your first example does not exist anymore.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 06:09 AM
1	What do people who date/marry out of their league do? Exactly. The overwhelming large majority of couples are looks matched and similar socioeconomically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 06:08 AM
6	All the kerfuffle about "older men with younger women" overlooks what is possibly the biggest reason why it happens: Younger women often aren't looking for relationships. I'm just saying it is far more common than you think. When you go beyond escorts and sugar babies, money suddenly has very little value in dating in today's age. Women make their own money and combining it with a guy they actually like can afford them the things they want to do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 06:05 AM
2	All the kerfuffle about "older men with younger women" overlooks what is possibly the biggest reason why it happens: Younger women often aren't looking for relationships. As someone who has aged well and became wealthy, I found it easiest when I was 18-22 years old. Far more options all around when you're college aged. In my 30s, it is universally single moms / divorced women / women with active psychiatric problems. I do meet younger women but if in their 20s, it is women looking for a sugar daddy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 03:59 AM
3	All the kerfuffle about "older men with younger women" overlooks what is possibly the biggest reason why it happens: Younger women often aren't looking for relationships. I'm guessing you're in your 20s and have this fantasy in your mind about getting all the girls when you turn 30. Age makes it harder, not easier .	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 03:52 AM
3	Would men actually be happy if dating were easy? When did you realize that having a nice place and stable job isn't some big attractive thing to women that you were taught it would be for your whole life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 03:34 AM
3	All the kerfuffle about "older men with younger women" overlooks what is possibly the biggest reason why it happens: Younger women often aren't looking for relationships. So are you saying we ignore marriage stats, ignore surveys and just see which person has anecdotes? I've seen lots of sugar daddies and I've seen girls with older guy fetishes. The latter is a pretty small group. For every one of those girls, there is one who tells me who disgusting an older guy is to her. If you're saying that a girl who is 28 would go out with a guy who is 36-37, sure I agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 03:32 AM
3	All the kerfuffle about "older men with younger women" overlooks what is possibly the biggest reason why it happens: Younger women often aren't looking for relationships. Many men don't but your odds are still way better with your own age group.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 03:29 AM
4	All the kerfuffle about "older men with younger women" overlooks what is possibly the biggest reason why it happens: Younger women often aren't looking for relationships. Women in their 40s can have hundreds of matches on any dating app, many of whom are very attractive men. I've seen women in their 50s do the same. Most men have less dating options as they get older, not more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/24 03:29 AM