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Should men's looks be largely based on their face? Why include body type?

Gmed66 · 2022-08-07T04:06:33+00:00

I feel like when the topic of male looks comes up, things like muscles or 6 packs also come up. But why? I feel like those are just bonuses. Realistically, a...

Gmed66

August 7, 2022

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Title	Should men's looks be largely based on their face? Why include body type?
Author	Gmed66
Upvotes	4
Comments	82
Date	August 7, 2022 4:06 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/ExRedPill
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comments/wi6l1k/should_mens_looks_be_largely_based_on_their_face/
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Uh, no, I’m not. First, most women will pick personality over anything. I don’t give two shits about your face if you are smart and funny. If you are a smart and funny millionaire? I barely care at all.

So every single women who has told me the guy's face is #1, has been lying to me? I will admit, attractive admit have exclusively told me that. Average looking women have many times not said that, but still even then some have. Basically, good looking women want a good looking guy.

Second, women are not a monolith. I don’t believe most women will pick an asshole who is 5’7” with a nice face over a smart kind millionaire with an average face. But I also don’t believe that all women agree on every single thing.

Lol why is the good looking guy an asshole? Like where did that come from? What if he has a solid personality but nothing special and the other guy is similar but maybe slightly better personality wise? In real life, that's how it would be. Though a millionaire is actually far more likely to have a worse personality but that's not the discussion point here.

Edit: also, where? Show me the other women in this thread who are saying a short, poor, unpleasant personality guy with a pretty face is preferable to all other things. You literally have no woman saying that.

I didn't say this thread, I was talking about years of discussions with women. And not sure why you literally fabricated and changed the scenario. 5'7 is not that short. 50k/year is not poor, please google average income in America. And where did I say unpleasant personality?

I have no clue who you are or what you look like. But I do strongly believe women who have a pretty face will almost always want a guy who also has a pretty face. Now if the have an agenda or niche preferences, that's different. But those are the exception, not the general rule.

Also, https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/19wd7u/hello\_ladies\_of\_reddit\_when\_judging\_a\_mans\_looks/

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Having deadbod or fairly lean is definitely in the picture & doesn't negate the effect just because you say so. Every woman is different while there are definitely who like dad bods , there are also many that like fit men.

Guys face , bruh. If anything a guys face improves significantly post weight loss due to better jaw line definition & that is definitely helped by weight loss & muscle gain.

Personality & Common interest are required even after you have a good face.

"Having a bodybuilder type physique might slightly help but keep in mind it takes years of work to get to that level. And it's just a marginal boost in the end."~ bodybuilders don't give a fuck about women , they build that body for themselves & competitions , its their passion & on the world stage they even risk their lives. No one does that to get women. If anything women are attracted to people who have targets in life & work hard to accomplish it.

You don't need to be a bodybuilder , inject all sorts of hormones , in your body , ever heard of natty gains ? Ever heard of whey & creatine ? That's like more than enough to gain a decent amount of muscles while keeping diet tight.

Your non steroid , gym chap who works out 5-6 days a week is also gonna live longer & perform well in bed & have better sex drive due to better testosterone production , healthier muscles , healthier heart (again only if its non steroid , some steroids have cardiotoxic nature can cause problems) , to name a few.

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Being lean is not easy my friend , I think you have the wrong definition of lean. A guy with dad bod isn't lean (I have dad bod ffs & I have started going to the gym). Lean is when you have less body fat & you can actually see the veins in the hand , so das bod & lean are polar opposites. Being lean is less based on genetics , having large muscle mass while being lean is based on genetics. A marathon runner is lean too , but that's the point he is thin while being lean , a bodybuilder is able to stay lean while not losing muscle mass (thnx to mix of genetics & steroids)

"But to your point, if they like fit men they'll still pursue a guy with a face they like. It's not like being fit automatically means you'll be appealing to even a single woman." ~ that isn't true at all. You think its all about face well that's horribly wrong. Being fit IS appealing to woman my friend , its one of the many variables in the equation. Nobody gives a fuck if you have a good face but are in actuality a fat fuck who drools over playing games all day while making no money off it. Not to mention that body building has a significant impact on face definition which improves the facial features & makes the man look even better. You are putting out illogical theories when in reality women look for a mix of multiple factors which does include fitness.

"And when I said bodybuilder I was including natural ones" , name a famous natural bodybuilder & maybe we can talk.

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The point is that women are not monolith , there are women like money & allows guys to move up leagues , there are women that like fit men over some face & allow them to move up leagues. Different women , different preference. This LEAGUE thing is absolute shit when you see that losing face fat itself allows men to move up leagues.

YOU are creating scenarios hell , you are conveniently disregarding a large section of women to suite your argument & are only judging based on considering women as monolith. Also , if something doesn't work based on your consideration it isnt MADE UP SCENARIO...

There are men who walk around with women leagues down & vice versa.

There's a lot more to people than their face & as far as I know maybe not all but a significant number of women definitely put that above the FACE on their checklist.....

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"And being "fit" is not remotely that big of a deal dude. Every gym has endless "fit" guys. A huge chunk of those guys have had less interactions with women combined than a single dadbod good looking guy did in college." ~ LMAO. 90% of my gym guys have girlfriends , even the ones on steroids..... Dadbods 🤣...good optimism.

"The ones leveraging money are in sugar arrangements" ~ good job generalizing all women who want security in their lives. Many leverage money & AREN'T in sugar arrangements, many have personality + money , many have muscle + money , etc. You are just trying to focus on one variable & trying to say thats the only thing that matters whereas I & many others have seen relationships in all permutations & combinations...

You keep on playing in your league with your dad bod & "good" face , let me make my life better & work on my goals.

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So your gym = all of western society? There are high traffic forums on the internet with a large bodybuilder population. These forums are also full of incels. If lifting was such a massive game changer, at minimum these places wouldn't have high incel populations. And incels wouldn't even exist if all you had to do was lift.

And women make their own money dude. It's 2022. Women work full time jobs and travel with their own money everyday. Many have good amounts of luxury in their life, from.... their own job! They don't need a man paying for them, especially not one they aren't attracted to.

I literally work in a field where the average income is over 300k. Trust me, it's not some game changer. Surprisingly, I'd say lower income women seem to have the least interest in those in my field. So I really don't see the premise for your argument. You're just drawing conclusions from what you've seen in media.

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"These forums are also full of incels" ~ nice generalization. Good job.

"And incels wouldn't even exist if all you had to do was lift" ~ if you knew anything remotely about lifting 🤣. Yeah , iTs So EaSy tO GeT LEaN... are you blind , I have repeatedly said that women look for a mix & not a single criteria. Dude , you are delusional AF. Marry immediately , or else your face would get wrinkly when you get old. LMAO...

"And women make their own money dude. It's 2022. Women work full time jobs and travel with their own money everyday. Many have good amounts of luxury in their life, from.... their own job! They don't need a man paying for them, especially not one they aren't attracted to." ~ dumbass women make their own money & still look for people with money. You really think a woman is gonna marry a guy begging in the street. Most women even today marry someone who earns equal or more than them. Same with men in terms of beauty...

"I literally work in a field where the average income is over 300k. Trust me, it's not some game changer. Surprisingly, I'd say lower income women seem to have the least interest in those in my field. So I really don't see the premise for your argument. You're just drawing conclusions from what you've seen in media." ~ bruh. Says the guy who thinks the world revolves around him 🤣 , oh the world revolves around my field. Dude , this is by far the most I have laughed in a while. My views are the world views , everyone who doesn't agree is brainwashed by the media , LMAO.

[–]Gmed661 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You're creating strawman arguments.

Like where does the extreme case of a guy begging on the street come in? My original scenario was a guy with a decent job making decent money. If you're saying that a girl who makes 80k per year won't date an attractive guy who makes 70k per year, that's delusional thinking. Another guy making 370k will absolutely get rejected is he isn't attractive to her. That's how you compare the importance of money.

I literally make close to 7 figures and it hasn't affected dating for me at all. Dating was very easy in my early 20s when I had much less money actually. The funny part is I have to get lectured by someone who most likely does not make anywhere close to what I make on why money is so important in dating lmao.

And I do workout and stay quite lean. Again, nothing special.

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Yes , its as if our entire scenarios are different & that generalization doesn't work , LMAO.

Dating was easy in 20s , its for everyone bruh you are literally absolutely dumb man. Another guy making 370K , dude you on coke or some shit , he'd look for another girl that caters to him. Bruh... you really think there is only 1 girl in the world 🤣.

"I literally make close to 7 figures and it hasn't affected dating for me at all. Dating was very easy in my early 20s when I had much less money actually. The funny part is I have to get lectured by someone who most likely does not make anywhere close to what I make on why money is so important in dating lmao." ~ Doesn't make anywhere close to what I make , hmmm , as a 22 yr old guy , pretty sure would outearn you considering I am getting into investment banking & finance sooner or later. Good luck trying to catch up...

"And I do workout and stay quite lean. Again, nothing special." ~ says the guy saying DaD BoDS. Doesn't seem like it , LMAO...

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"And no, I'm 220lbs with close to a 6 pack and pretty tall. You made assumptions about whether or not I workout. I've worked out well before you did and have been in the gym crowd since I was in high school." ~ 6ft 2 , 180lbs , have (or had , covid fucked up , need to get back on the cut) 6 pack , ex state level athlete (badminton) , presently hitting the gym. Nobody gives a fuck if you worked out since you were born, what do you have that matters & the discipline.

"You have no idea what you're talking about. I was 22 as well and thought I had it figured out. You have a very long road ahead of you before you touch any real money." ~ Oh man , I'd laugh out loud to that when my 26-27 yr old friends are working in HFT making 400k a year (after purchase parity conversions)... I think you need to come out of echo chambers & look at really how the world works. Bruh , I ain't even talking about IB chaps , HFT guys with bachelors earn a damn lot. As I said , theres a shit ton of money in finance.

Go and pay your medical education loans....

The hospital you work at has a finance/MBA guy at the top , deal with it...

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What matters is compatibility, having similar goals and values. I think you find redpillers going on about how bodies and money make up for not being facially attractive because they are not facially attractive AND because so much of facial beauty is based on symmetry. Why is that important? Because facial asymmetry may mean bad genes, bad behaviors, which these people tend to be rife in, the hardcore believers, not people who "accidentally" slipped into it as it were. These people are not pro-social and I believe their faces generally show it. Distract attention away from something that reveals their true nature, distract themselves away from their own "shortcomings". i don't believe looks are the be all, end all however, morals are what matters. I just add that because our society is so looked obsessed and it hurts people, and, I believe, immorally.

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