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If you want to dismiss men's problems, that's your choice, but don't be surprised when they don't have much sympathy for yours. Men tend to be nice to people who are nice to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 09:00 PM

She can abort, he can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 08:56 PM

And unless she was raped, she chose to receive him without birth control. Why are you so quick to dismiss women's agency? You know that sometimes women ride on top of men too, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 08:56 PM

Pro-anna?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:34 PM

Me too. When my wife isn't around, I look at sexy pics I've taken of her. I also practically always look at recent pics of her because I'm not fantasizing about a past version of her body; I'm very happy with her current 40-something body that has given me pleasure for 15 years and given birth to an adorable child, and I like to honor it. I enjoy having sex with my wife now more than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 12:53 PM
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Mañana te respondo en detalle. Buena noche, ¡y suerte de nuevo! P.D.: ¿Cuál es la carrera que estás estudiando?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/26 05:39 AM
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Once, at a basketball camp, when I was 10, the instructor (who was a woman, but I don't feel like she acte the way she did because she was a woman) punished me because she mistook me for another guy and made me apologize in front of the whole group of kids for calling a third guy a homosexual. I didn't even know what a homosexual was at the time. And when I was even younger, I constantly found myself getting in trouble for things I didn't do. So by the time I was eight, I would rehearse speeches…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 11:11 PM

Do you live in the Southern US? I don't think this is mainstream in any part of the West outside of that one. I grew up in Western Washington State, and I only learned the word "Jezebel" at about the age of 14, thanks to Cradle of Filth's female backup singer, Sarah Jezebel Deva (and that's despite the fact that my parents forced me to go to Catholic Sunday school every week until I was about 15).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:52 PM

With all due respect, what makes you think that? I think that's pretty easy to disprove.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:48 PM

Looks perfectly fine to me. Indeed, I feel like his old nose looked more classically masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:42 PM
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Muchas gracias por tu respuesta detallada. Me da mucho alimento para la reflexión. Prometo responderte con la atención que merece por la noche a más tardar. Mientras tanto, quiero reiterar que me da sumo gusto saber que ahora hay gente joven en México como tú qué se preocupa por lograr una justicia de género que tome en cuenta los dos lados de modo parejo. Las personas jóvenes como tú están construyendo un futuro más brillante para mi peque. Quiero que crezca en un país y en un mundo en donde am…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 05:40 PM

Does anyone have a picture of Clav before his surgeries? Did he look radically different? He looks like he has a naturally nice bone structure, but his surgeries make him look ever so slightly uncanny, even if on paper they should be pushing him towards the magic ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:25 PM

Well, it was also women who told me I have a nice bone structure, so it's not my self-assessment. I have been happily married to my looksmatch for 12 years (even though she insists I'm the more attractive one, but I'm crazy about her mature feminine body—she's seven years older than me—and I have never felt I settled for her).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:22 PM

Yeah, I have occasionally thought about taking a trip to Turkey to get a hair transplant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:19 PM

So basically, the toxic effects of Instagram? Because of Instagram, we expect regular people to look like models now?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:04 PM

I am facially attractive. "You have a nice bone structure" is something I've been hearing all my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:03 PM
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Also, I've never understood the idea that bi people are more likely to cheat. Nobody thinks a straight man or woman needs different partners of the opposite sex with different hair colors and skin colors. Aren't genitals like that for bi people?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 04:49 PM

I know what you mean. When I was in college, despite being in very good shape with a nice face, I regularly got approached by fat girls. It's trendy to call guys entitled, but what do you call women who want to benefit from a man's thinness without putting in the work to get thin themselves? And I don't want to hear the old, "So is it hypocritical for a man to want a woman with a curvy butt if he doesn't have a curvy butt himself?" Being of a healthy weight is not like that, since it's one of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:42 PM
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The disparity is less, but still considerable. Looking at Japan and South Korea as well, it looks like there's just a lot of pressure put on people in East Asian countries, and I think there is less of a taboo against suicide in those countries, where it is sometimes seen as a way to save face. Contrast that with Western Christian countries, where is suicide has traditionally been seen as a one-way ticket to eternal damnation outside of very specific contexts (for example, I believe Saint August…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 04:30 PM

Also, proportionality to the body. I used to be big on boobs, but I care much more about ass than boobs now. My boob standard today is basically bigger than mine if I'm 20 pounds overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:17 PM

I feel like people used to have separate standards for celebrities and people in real life. For example, when I was in high school (early to mid-2000s), I remember one girl who was a bit chubby (but not in a way that affected her curviness) and squat-bodied. I distinctly remember thinking how she would look funny on MTV but looked very attractive to me in real life. Do people not make that distinction anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:15 PM
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That reminds me of how in Mexico City, women who are victims of domestic violence receive free shelter, psychological counseling, legal advice, and emergency economic support from the government, but not men in the same position.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 04:12 PM
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Yes, I totally agree. Also, I don't know how it is now, since I've been off the market for about 15 years. However, I feel like people used to have separate standards for celebrities and people in real life. When I was in high school, I remember seeing one girl who was a bit chubby (but not in a way that affected her curviness) and squat-bodied. I distinctly remember thinking how she would look funny on MTV but looked very attractive to me in real life. Do people not make that distinction anymor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 03:57 PM
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Ufff, when I got cheated on by a bi ex (no, not the one in another comment, different one), I got low-key victim blamed with, "You knew she was bi, didn't you?" Never mind that, even though she cheated on me with both men and women, she still cheated on me with more men, so it's not like eliminating her attraction to women would have made her loyal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 03:48 PM
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Yeah, I once dated a woman who was bi, but she refused to date any man who had ever had any kind of sexual contact with a male. I told her that this didn't make sense. By the way, for her, that included trans women. Later, I dated someone assigned female at birth, but since this was in 2010 (i.e., before trans issues became mainstream), when she told me she identified as a "boy-girl" and showed me that her ID listed her as male (and I didn't know at the time that it was legally possible to get y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 03:46 PM

So how do you explain the graphic I posted above?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 03:29 PM

Pill influencers are not mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 03:28 PM
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Or that Mackenzie Bezos is somehow closer to them than to Trump and her ex husband, for the same reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 03:28 PM

Internalized misandry is a thing. Plus, the spread for women is much greater. I'm consistent, I think it's equally wrong for both..
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 03:26 PM
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De verdad, agradezco el interés qué has tomado por el tema. Por el subreddit en el cual decidiste realizar este post, supongo que te inclinas políticamente hacia la izquierda. Desgraciadamente, aunque me considero totalmente de la izquierda, siento que tanto en México como en Estados Unidos y muchos otros países es medio tabú abogar por los hombres desde la izquierda (y, diría yo, desde la academia). La verdad es que me ha decepcionado un poco Claudia Sheinbaum, pues de hecho ganó la presidencia…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 06:39 AM

Fair enough. I was just remembering when I was that age and going through that, and my friend said he didn't cum after jerking it and thought it was really weird that I "spermulated" when I did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 06:04 AM
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The librarian at one of my elementary schools wouldn't let more than four boys sit together at a table (no limit on the girls, however).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 05:48 AM

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/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:46 AM

British dogs?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:42 AM
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¡Gracias por tu respuesta detallada! Realmente me parece importante el trabajo que estás realizando, y te aplaudo sumamente. Siento que tu investigación sobre estos temas requiere de una verdadera valentía. ¿También te encuentres en la CDMX, o en otra parte de la República? Si puedo hacerte una pregunta, ¿cómo llegaste a interesarte por este asunto? ¡Muchas suerte con tu tesis!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 05:34 AM
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I think it's a thing with masturbation before sperm production? I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:20 AM
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I said up to that point. Awkwardly phrased, I know, but I thought I made it clear that I was talking about life up to that point. I think I also sexually matured very quickly, physically speaking. When I first masturbated at 12, I came, and all my friends thought it was weird (since apparently they were jerking it and firing blanks).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 05:04 AM
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P.S.: If it is at all of interest to you, I can share many experiences I have with attitudes I've experienced during my long stay in Mexico surrounding the general normalization of violence against men (outside domestic violence). Things like my mother-in-law constantly worrying about my sister-in-law getting murdered or sexually abused, but not my brother-in-law. Just today, when my wife and I picked our young son up from his summer course, she noted how parents often don't really worry about t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 05:02 AM
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I'm in my late 30s now, so I'm not so young any more. I don't see myself having very much sex close to 90.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:41 AM
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Yes, until that point. It did stop, because I realized it was causing me my troubles. I had been doing it just about every day, sometimes multiple times, since the age of 12.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 04:27 AM
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And if he had had her committed, there would have been comments about how he was an evil, patriarchal, controlling husband who wanted to take away her freedom.
/r/EverydayMisandry08/08/26 02:21 AM
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I guess it's easy to choose the bear when it's a bear who is as docile as the average man.
/r/EverydayMisandry08/08/26 02:09 AM

And here I am, married to a woman who is older than me, just like my father before me, both my grandfathers before me, and two of four my great-grandfathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:41 AM
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And before school, children spend more time with their mothers, in no small part because of the bonding time of breastfeeding and then the vestigial preference for the mother that this comforting stage produces and perpetuates for a while.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 01:37 AM
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As I always say, Obama becoming president and Eric Holder becoming AG didn't make black people the ruling class in the US. Now apply that to men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 01:36 AM
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I think cheating is a good example, and unfortunately it is enabled by both sides. Both men and women are more likely to say that a man cheating is always wrong then a woman cheating. And it seems like there's always an excuse for women who cheat; men who cheat are just primitive dogs, but women who cheat were deeply unhappy and had an unmet emotional need to be fulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:33 AM

I got cheated on when I was at my chaddiest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:29 AM
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That sounds completely alien to me. If a woman is fat in a way that obscures rather than accentuates her curves, she might as well be a man as far as I'm concerned, presence of vagina be damned.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:21 AM
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As a man who suffered from ED induced by overmasturbation pretty much his entire sexually mature life until the age of 24, which made me think I was asexual and happy with a relationship that only involved cuddling, I think women are even more put off by men who aren't horndogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:18 AM
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That's a good point. Men don't really care how masculine a woman acts as long as she looks and dresses like a woman. I don't know too many women who like a man whose main hobbies are cooking and sewing as long as he looks dapper in a suit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:15 AM
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I think it's more that women are seen as nobles and men as peasants. Just as nobles were allowed to slum it and dress like peasants when they wanted to, but peasants were punished by law for dressing like their noble betters, women are allowed to adopt masculinity because they already have the inherent value that femininity affords them, but men who aspire to femininity are seen as seeking to rise above their station.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:12 AM
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I'll take that as a yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 01:04 AM
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Hi again, I know you're busy, but I thought I'd elaborate on when I was sexually assaulted at a club with the non-consensual French kiss. Earlier that night, I had been flirting with, dancing with, and kissing an older woman. When she saw me cornered by my assailant, she got so angry with me that she left the club. Her friends called me a player, even though I told them that the kiss was not consensual. They softened their stance a little bit, but they still treated me like I had done something …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 01:02 AM
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Are you an SW?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:58 AM
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He already has the opportunity in any red light district.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:57 AM
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I feel like OP is forgetting prostitutes exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:56 AM
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An average man can pay for sexual opportunity in the red light district. If a man only cheats when he's actually wanted, that shows that it's about more than sex, just like the women to whom you're clearly trying to ascribe nobler cheating intentions than those you ascribe to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:54 AM
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If men who struggle to attract someone who's not their partner really wanted to cheat, they could just pay a prostitute for it. Give homely men a little more credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:51 AM
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Either or both of these still are crimes in about 20 states.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 06:45 PM
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Slander (oral defamation) and libel (written defamation).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 06:21 PM
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Look how feminists memory-hole Karen DeCrow, a feminist who actually believed in equality, including equal reproductive rights for both women and men. She supported legal paternal surrender explicitly as a male equivalent to abortion. And she wasn't some rando, but was the head of NOW during the time that Roe v Wade was handed down, yet feminists today act like she was a fringe figure. I guess her principled consistency is a bit too much for feminists today whose only guiding aim seems to be eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 05:23 PM
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Thanks. What pissed me off the most is that she didn't even have the decency to tell me that she was cheating on me so I could decide whether or not to buy my ticket to her country. No, I bought the ticket (that I told her I was going to buy, this was not a surprise), and then she suddenly turned all weird and terse with me. I knew something was up, so I started getting our mutual friends to tell me the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:03 PM
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¡Saludos desde la CDMX!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/26 09:11 PM
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We have to "man up" Just as Dave Chappelle says about men who get raped, there's no hotline for us, and we just have to walk it off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/26 09:00 PM
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How interesting that you are from Mexico! I'm 38, and while I was born in the US, I've been living in Mexico for about a decade and a half. I have posted about men's issues in Mexico quite a bit in this group. What social or cultural factors do you think most strongly discourage men from reporting physical or psychological violence? I think the fact that a man is always seen to want sex when it comes to physical violence of a sexual nature. When it comes to psychological violence and non-sexual …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/26 08:52 PM
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This is stupid. I was at my peak attractiveness when I was in a long-distance relationship for a year. I had so many opportunities to cheat, but I never did, because I thought it was real. She cheated, however, despite being below me in looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 08:26 PM
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Don’t men report higher cheating rates than women already? I don't think so for Millennials and beyond. Definitely not true for Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 08:24 PM
5

Yeah, I don't see anything honorable about dying for Israel.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:45 AM
1

I feel like the gender war today is a psyop to prevent us from directing our anger towards those who really deserve it. I consider myself both a feminist and an MRA. I want equal rights for both men and women. Scratch below the surface and you'll find that most MRAs do not have views incompatible with feminism. The reverse, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be the case. Zero-sum thinking seems to be common among those primarily identified as feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:42 AM
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Whatever your politics, I just don't think men deserve anywhere near the hate they're getting these days. It's simply not proportional.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:13 AM

I have never benefited from the patriarchy, to the extent such a thing even exists in the modern West. What kind of patriarchy ends up giving women more rights than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:03 AM
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Or that some women are kind of finicky.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:14 PM
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I cook about 95% of the time for my family.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:13 PM

Trump is only emblematic of his class.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:03 PM

So only techies deserve the wages of a decent living?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:00 PM

I'm sure my wife would call this look gay. She finds it a bit femmy if I cut my body hair in any way other than a conservative pube trim. She really didn't like it when I shaved off all my pubic hair (which I actually did to accentuate my masculinity). So I'm sure she'd say this look is right out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:14 PM
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Can we please retire the ridiculous discourse that men sinisterly refuse to do chores in order to deliberately extract free labor from their female partners? Generally, chores a man doesn't do when he's in a relationship are chores he didn't do (or did less frequently than his partner) when he was single. Chances are that he would like her to stop or slow down the frequency of the chore or chores in question instead of weaponizing her chore overperformance against him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:09 PM
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Thank you. It's been really hard. At least COVID was temporary. This seems to be permanent. And the worst thing is that AI translation really represents no significant improvement in quality over earlier machine translation models, but because people think it does, it's been enough to essentially kill my career. Right now I'm thinking of new ways to use my knowledge, perhaps in a teaching or coaching context. I still hate that I had the perfect job where I could hide away in my home office witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:50 PM
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I've been off the market for a while, but basically as autistically as possible. "By the way, I like you."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:41 PM
2

Goth?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:27 PM
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Since I don't want to doxx myself, let me just say I work in language services. For 10.5 of the last 11 years, I've been the sole earner in my household. AI has pretty much stolen my work away, so I'm seeing what to do next. It really sucks, because things were going well, and I thought they were going to continue to go well and get even better, which motivated our decision to have a kid a little less than four years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:15 PM
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So why all the misandry? Good women aren't bigoted. Most women here seem like a different species from the women I encounter in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 08:08 PM
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The good ones are wonderful. I think most women are decent in character, even if they are underrepresented here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:31 PM
2

Have you ever dated a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 07:22 PM
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However, speaking of that, I've seen the same women who say that time doing paid work should be treated equally regardless of income also scold their men for not washing dishes fast enough. That's hypocritical. Either time matters, or performance and results matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:53 PM
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I said it was about hours. I didn't even mention income. Not sure why you're bringing that in. "More paid labor" means more hours of paid labor, which should offset the number of hours of domestic labor that one should be expected to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 06:52 PM
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You don't see women constantly talking in this group about how men should do more chores, with seemingly no regard to who's doing more paid work?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:22 PM
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Why do so many women these days seem to have this weird need to scream that men aren't doing their part despite the data showing that men and women work almost identical hours in some combination of paid and domestic labor? Or is the argument now that men should do the same number of domestic labor hours as women, even if they're already doing more paid labor? That seems kind of exploitative to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:19 PM
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Earnings are the total amount a person or group makes. Wages are how much someone makes for a certain amount of time worked. Let's say John and Sally earn the same amount per hour, but John worked two hours while Sally worked one; we now have an earnings gap without a wage gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 04:33 PM
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In what economy? Maybe women from very rich families could expect that because they’re surrounded by rich men that can afford to be sole breadwinners, but most women can’t afford to hope to marry into wealth. I'm not talking about marrying into wealth, but any situation, which is the norm, where are the man makes more, yet both partners get the same lifestyle. Women tend to want men who earn more than them. So no, I don’t think it’s because somehow women don’t want more money. They may want it, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 04:31 PM
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Hence why I said earnings gap, not wage gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 04:21 PM
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Women who think men are horrid oppressors never seem to notice how men go to bat to make them happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:33 PM
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Hell, I once had a woman give me her number unsolicited by me (and her friend told me she thought I was cute,), yet she never returned my subsequent calls to meet up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:32 PM
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Why should men do more housework when: a) they do more paid work, and b) women live longer? P.S.: The second part is facetious, but the first is not. Why is there always this weird assumption that men aren't pulling their weight? Studies have shown that both sides do pretty much the same number of hours of labor, whether paid or domestic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:16 PM
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Honestly, I think the main reason why women are paid less is because they know that, if they are straight, there's a good chance that they can expect their male partners to cover a significant part of their lifestyle, thus decreasing their incentive to aggressively seek raises. Indeed, wasn't it found that lesbians don't have an earnings gap with respect to men? It makes perfect sense to me that the few women who can't expect to benefit from men's earnings at an individual level would learn to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 03:05 PM
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The vast majority of men who've been married a long time are perfectly happy with having sex with their aging wives, and the majority of those who aren't feel that way because she's checked out of the marriage and stopped showing him affection, not because he's actually repulsed by her mature femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:30 PM
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No, but what disadvantages did Western women have compared to Western men in 2009-2013?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:31 AM

Women having affairs has traditionally been looked down on because we bear children. Then we're not in traditional times anymore, since both men and women are more willing to believe that there are legitimate reasons for women to cheat than for men to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:28 AM

How are they excuses? I just don't see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:26 AM
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Who says women are more likely to break social norms? I would think that the sex that is more often diagnosed with autism necessarily breaks social norms more.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:25 AM
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I mean, the Twitter/X posts of women criticizing men for being content living in simple apartments with floor mattresses says something to me. Also think about that Dave Chappelle joke about how men wouldn't bother buying houses if living in a cardboard box wasn't an impediment to getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:23 AM
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What I mean is that women drew the first blood in the modern gender war following the truce of the 1970s. Men were doing pretty much everything women said they wanted them to do circa 2009, when women thought it was a good idea to just start antagonizing men for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:15 AM
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But women didn't have fewer rights than men (quite the opposite) when they decided to lean into misandry starting around 2009.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:10 AM
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They started it in my lifetime after it had been stopped before my lifetime. I'm not 40 yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 05:08 AM
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Just like: "If he cheats, it's his fault; if she cheats, it's his fault, too."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:45 AM
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In which case when do men police women's looks? Generally there's an assumption that men who do this are generally policing women's modesty or making sure she stays in her place or adhering to a culture's standards. And here I am, wishing my wife would wear revealing clothes more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:44 AM
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Okay, but it's ridiculous to judge a man as if he were a murderer if he simply expresses displeasure rather than murdering.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:41 AM
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Not to mention that women seem to use a very broad spectrum of "negative experiences with men" to justify hating men, ranging from things as serious as rape to things as trivial as "a man I like didn't ask me out on a second date."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:45 PM
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I wasn't alive in biblical times, and neither were you, so that's not relevant. What is relevant is the last 50 years or so, and we were doing a pretty damn good job of all judging each other just as individuals until women apropos of nothing decided that unprovoked misandry was a good idea starting around 2009.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:42 PM
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Okay, but from about 1970 to 2016, we had a tacit agreement, which women broke with their leaning into unprovoked misandry starting around 2009.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:39 PM
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Not disagreeing with you at all. I'm just trying to reinforce that jokes about controversial subjects are okay as long as they're funny. I love how Dave Chappelle manages to cross the line without ever once condoning rape, extracting massive humor from his amazement over just how massively Bill Cosby raped. Things like calling him the "Steph Curry of rape" or "Even if he raped 30 less people... that's still two dozen rapes!" And he does that while still making it clear he thinks rape is wrong, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:52 PM
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Oh yeah, Dave Chappelle has the best rape jokes ever, whether it's going on and on for 5 minutes being amazed at the prodigiousness of Bill Cosby's rape, or joking about how men have no hotline when they get raped and are just expected by society to walk it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:37 PM
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It's clear to me that he's distinguishing between a concrete crime that was committed and a hypothetical crime in an indefinite future.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:14 PM
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Only because it was women who started judging men collectively instead of as individuals. We were fully happy to judge women as individuals until they broke that truce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:12 PM
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Most men voted for Trump Correction: most men who voted voted for Trump. If we include non-voters, only about 1/3 of men voted for Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:05 PM
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The mean Fox News viewer is 69 years old, and the median one is 70.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:04 PM
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There was a whole audience clapping and laughing, which I don't think was the case with the Jesse watters segment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:35 PM
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That's not respectfully asking someone out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:28 PM
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I feel like women should be happy to be approached in the gym, since statistically speaking, for obvious reasons, the guys there are more likely to be hotter and fitter than average.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:27 PM
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Up until very few years before women got the vote in the US, the majority of women actively wanted not to have the vote because they thought that they would lose privileges in society. It wasn't just men. The number of years where a majority of women wanted to vote and couldn't was very tiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:33 PM
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Yeah, feminists successfully taught men to believe that it is morally wrong to want a housewife, but they did not do the same regarding women wanting a provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:55 PM
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Yeah, sounds like BS to me. Far more women want a provider than men want a housewife.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:44 PM
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No, I'm just showing that the mechanism behind bigotry is the same, no matter how much you try to mock it or justify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:26 PM
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You say this as if most men are criminal. I feel like women have been listening to too many true crime podcasts and now think that they represent more than a tiny fraction of men. EDIT: okay, didn't see the last sentence, so that demands the question, are men who have been cheated on and verbally abused by women entitled to be misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:12 PM
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Now replace women and men with ethnic groups, and let's see if you would have the nerve to say that. It's easy to be edgy when being bigoted against a certain group is completely socially acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:10 PM
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I've made this comment before. Italy and the UK have recently had women and short men as heads of government, and I'm not sure it's a coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:16 PM
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I live in Mexico. It's very progressive in some ways, but very traditionalist in others.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:13 PM
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I know it's popular to say that the US has never had a woman president because of sexism. However, when countries like India, Ukraine, and Mexico, i.e., countries reputed to have much more traditionalist views on gender than the US, have had female heads of government, I feel like sexism as the explanation for the US's lack of one doesn't quite add up. Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 08:12 PM
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Once again, I want to say that David Pakman and Trent Reznor strike me as short guys with tall guy proportions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 08:08 PM
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Is this a joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:30 AM
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In particular, I'd like to know what women here think are the signs that a woman is likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:28 AM
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I'm not minimizing women's pain. I'm sure they do sometimes feel destroyed. However, tell me what is worse, inner pain on its own or inner pain plus social shame?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:07 PM

It's not obvious to me. Can you give some examples of why I'm wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:56 PM

Even women are getting soured on marriage. Why though, if they get basically all the benefits and none of the downsides?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:38 PM
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I have faced with that situation, and I never got back together with the cheater. The trust is gone, so there is nothing to go back to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:33 AM
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I think the base inner pain is the same, but men have the pain intensified much more by the societal shame heaped upon them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:58 PM
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I don't think it's a majority of women, but I think it's a much larger minority of woman who have this view than men who have it in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:53 PM
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That's simply a way for society to make excuses for or at least downplay male cheating by trying to imply men "can't help themselves" when they full well can; cheating is a choice. Agreed with that last part. Yet, society actually downplays women's cheating more than men's. There have been surveys showing that basically all demographics of men and women are more willing to say that cheating is always wrong when men do it versus when women do it. Likewise, among the younger generations, women che…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:42 PM
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I also think some women are secretly turned on by their man cheating, since it's the ultimate social proof that they (mostly) locked down a desirable man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:04 PM
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I think my opinion is closer to the norm than those simps' is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:58 PM
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So you’re shocked being an asshole has consequences? That's really rich coming from you. How is saying that "Baby boys and baby girls should have equal legal protection of their genital integrity" being an asshole? You cant even name any and you want on to talk about women. None of you actually care. I can name plenty, but I don't have the energy right now. You know what they are; you've been on this forum long enough. Men die sooner, retire later, are given less empathy, get longer sentences fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:58 PM
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I care a lot, but I am just an individual. Plus, since men are still expected to be providers, we have to be much more careful about rocking the boat, since saying something controversial could destroy our reputations and thus our ability to provide for our families.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:41 PM
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Because I can most likely explain how little men care about those issues. It's social. Women are taught that it is brave and socially progressive to fight for their issues, while men are told it is selfish and regressive to do the same. Most rulers are guys and guys are still having problems. "Most rulers are guys" doesn't mean "Most guys are rulers." Apex fallacy overload. Black people didn't become the ruling class when Obama was president and Eric Holder was AG. The fact that most people in f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:39 PM
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ive met plenty of guys who forgave cheating women before. I could never do that. For me, once a woman cheats on me, she might as well be a demon who usurped the body and voice of the woman I thought I knew and loved, and I can't share a life or bed with a demon.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:32 PM
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Most women dont know how hard it is to be a man, it's true. None of those patterns are true for me. I simply see that there are disprivileges and oppressions that men suffer that society doesn't acknowledge, but people are blind to them for some reason. Men have been told for more than 50 years how hard it is to be a woman, so we're pretty aware of women's struggles, but the other side of the coin has never been widely disseminated, so most women still need to be educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:27 PM
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I'm sorry, but I still think being cheated on is much harder as a man than as a woman, for the following reasons: No woman was ever forced to take custody of a child who's not hers because of her man's infidelity. When men are cheated on, they are seen as pathetic little bitches who couldn't keep her satisfied, making him seen as less attractive. In turn, when a woman is cheated on, it activates the white knight instincts of good-hearted men, who then want to save her and treat her right. When a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:19 PM
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I'm sorry, but I still think being cheated on is much harder as a man than as a woman, for the following reasons: No woman was ever forced to take custody of a child who's not hers because of her man's infidelity. When men are cheated on, they are seen as pathetic little bitches who couldn't keep her satisfied, making him seen as less attractive. In turn, when a woman is cheated on, it activates the white knight instincts of good-hearted men, who then want to save her and treat her right. When a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:12 PM

Two essentially identical threads within an hour of each other? What's going on?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:53 PM

Nope. Indeed, when I was a teenager, I would ask my parents what my blood type was, and they didn't know. I know it now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:47 PM
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It's not always a lie. For years, I thought I was 5'9" because I'm the same height as my dad, who always claimed he was 5'9". I'm actually 5'7".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 04:19 PM
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And honestly, I'm more inclined to say we should treat men more like women than that we should treat women more like men. People should be given grace to make mistakes, and I think men especially need this, given that they're the sex that's expected to be proactive and initiating. However, I'm willing to entertain arguments that we should instead treat women more like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 03:35 PM
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Going goth did wonders for my love life as a non-NT male, I'll tell you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:59 PM
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If men wanted "heightism" to be taken seriously as a concept they would have to avoid trying to center it around entitlement to getting their dicks wet I get my dick wet anyway, but there is the legitimate fact that tall men get hired more easily and earn more money. Indeed, I wonder if the US failure to elect a woman president is really just an extension of heightism. Jimmy Carter and Harry Truman at 5'9" are the only US presidents of the last 100 years to be less than 5'10". On the other hand,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:53 PM
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TIL I have a porn star build (aka satyr build).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:05 AM
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Once again, you strike me as a very sensible person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:39 AM
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Thanks for your interesting response. I agree with that, even though I retroactively consented when it happened to me. Still, a little "Can I give you a little grab down there?" would have been appreciated. She clearly thought that making out implied my consent for her to grab my dick and balls.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:32 AM
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Are you Latin American? This is very LatAm coded.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:40 PM

My wife has been SAH for most of the last 11 years, including the lifetime of our toddler son. I respect her a ton. I thank her for her hard work almost every day (certainly much more than she thanks me for mine). She has multiple degrees too. I have never limited resources for her. I will never divorce her as long as she is faithful and isn't too disrespectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:59 PM
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It's being asked now. Also, I wanted to know if women consider making out implied consent for a man to grab her genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:51 PM
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How bothered did he seem by his super wizard status?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:49 PM
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You don't think grabbing dick is weird?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:48 PM
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I'm hardly ever angry. I'm only angry when others are angry at me, especially people who are supposed to love me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:39 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:31 PM
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Agreed, but because of how men are socialized, women's sexual assault of men is often invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:31 PM
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Well, I found it flattering to know she wanted it so bad she couldn't even wait for my consent. Still sexual assault, but I could see the bright side of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:30 PM
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I have the story about the woman who backed me into a corner at a club and shoved her tongue into my mouth. She completely ruined my chances with the cougar I had been flirting with and kissing that night (who got so angry that she immediately went home), and the coug's friends scolded me for "being a player," even though I reiterated that it was not with my consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:00 PM
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I'm not tall, but I have a big dick. If I were in online dating today rather than happily off the market, I would joke that I may look like I'm 5'7", but I'm actually 6'2.5", and you just have to get to know me a little better to experience the other 7.5".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:40 PM
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Would you tell a girl the same if a guy goes for her junk? I actually didn't dislike it, but the fact is that she had no way of knowing when she did it, since she didn't first ask for my consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:33 PM
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Ladies, let's say that you're making out with a guy you're attracted to at a club, and without asking, a few minutes into the make-out session, he grabs you by the pussy. Are you okay with it or not? Do you consider it sexual assault or not? EDIT: Okay, since I'm being downvoted, I feel like it's important to make a full disclosure of why I'm asking this question. This has happened to me in reverse. It is often said that men sexually assault more than women do. However, I honestly think that wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:04 PM
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Based on my experience of women kissing me and grabbing my dick without my consent, I don't think women are any better at consent than men. Men just know that society expects them to walk it off when they get sexually abused, so we learn to get over it instead of calling the police, thus erasing women who do commit sexual assault from the record.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:53 PM

We respect stay-at-home moms a lot. The reason we don't want to be stay-at-home dads is because we know that we as men won't be respected in that role. Also, it's well-known that when you add up total paid and non-paid hours of work, men and women pretty much break even.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:43 PM
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Women want men to manage their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:44 PM
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We just want a little reciprocity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:47 AM
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Which is why I don't say that they are that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:12 AM
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Yep, that's exactly what I'm trying to say! It's like two rich Anglo-Americans in the early 20th century arguing over whether racism against Italians is right. Neither of them is against racism, it's just that one thinks Italians are white and the other doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:13 PM
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I grant that there are reasonable feminists, but it's not hard to cite feminists who have had institutional clout saying hateful things about men. I used to be moved by mainstream feminists' condemnation of TERFs, but when I realized that their stand against bigotry doesn't usually apply to people like me, I became disillusioned, and now I'm just indifferent and jaded when I see them taking a stand against TERFs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:12 PM
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Men are far more socialized than women are. Man are taught how to treat women, but women are not taught how to treat men. That is why men tend to be better partners: not because we're biologically better or anything ridiculous like that, but because we've been socialized to treat our partners better. And men listen to women all the time. The fact that men decided to give them the vote shows it. They didn't have to listen to you, because what were you going to do, vote them out? Men like making w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:02 PM
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I always find it hilarious and rich when mainstream feminists get morally outraged by TERFs, as if mainstream feminists didn't tend to treat men with the same distrust, disgust, and antipathy with which TERFs treat trans women (because they think they are men in disguise anyway, so they treat men the same way too). The Venn diagram for the people they hate is overwhelmingly overlapping. They need to get off their moral high horses and quit acting like they're so much better for only having bigot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:58 PM
2

Hey, at least he didn't lie about not sharing each other like my ex did.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:50 PM
2

That sucks indeed, but even worse is when you agree to be exclusive and not share each other, and for you to be all theirs and them to be all yours, and yet they still cheat on you and try to gaslight you into saying that you were never together (all because I never said the exact magic words, "Do you want to be my girlfriend?"; I thought that was all implied when we agreed to sexual exclusivity that she failed to honor, but what the hell do I know?).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:48 PM

Not as limited as those who say they're all just hateful, right-wing, incel chuds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:45 PM

19th c. British Romanticism, hello?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:44 PM
3

Women have a long history of weaponizing the narrative of their supposed superior feminine intuition in order to argue that their feels are objective truth. Shakira even wrote a song about it ("Las mujeres somos las de la intuición," i.e., "We women are the intuitive ones"). If women would admit that humans in general just suck at reading each other, and that they as humans are no exception, they would get a whole lot more grace on this matter. Indeed, I don't know why women aren't more honest a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:41 PM

Interesting hypothesis. More info?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:33 AM

I was very romantic (and Romantic; I am a big fan of Byron and Shelley, among others). However, the years gone by have jaded me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:49 AM

I know my life would have been easier if I had been born a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:30 AM
2

That's pretty hypocritical, saying that baby girls but not baby boys should be protected.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:25 AM

But it's not just the fat women. It's generalized. And men's clothing has followed the same trend. Generation Z seems to have a vendetta against flattering silhouettes across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:22 AM

2010s. 2000s had lots of loose cargo pants. Skinny jeans came into style around 2008 IIRC.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 03:56 AM

I imagine most redpillers are jaded, disillusioned romantics who just wanted to woo women by reciting poetry to them and going on moonlit strolls in the park.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:30 AM

That's fine. What I hate is being treated like a moral failure just because I need more rest time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:17 AM

I honestly don't know, but it feels like Gen Z has some kind of allergy to flattering silhouettes for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:21 AM
2

Why does it matter if nobody's forcing me to circumcise my son? Do you believe it should be permitted to circumcise daughters, by which I mean cutting just the clitoral hood as is customary in Indonesia and Malaysia?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:18 AM

No offense, but why does Gen Z seem to have such poor fashion sense? Every time I see a video of a Millennial's style being updated to Gen Z style, the result is almost always less flattering and more matronly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:16 AM
1

Ok. And contrary to the usual dynamic, I was the 24 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:05 AM

For example, when there's a war, who do we send to fight and die? Males. If there's a shipwreck, who are the last people to be rescued? Males. What kind of baby does the law say in supposedly enlightened Western countries that it's okay to mutilate the genitals of? Male babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:03 AM

Are you going to deny her agency? She didn't say that she was raped, so that was as much her decision as his.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:00 AM

I wish my wife were a little lazier. She was raised by parents who would tell her to stop reading and pick up a broom, and it shows. I don't know how to get it through to her that it's not a moral failure to rest or do non-physical work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:57 PM

Neither do I about mine, but that's not the question I asked. I asked you if you've heard of the concept of male disposability.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:53 PM
1

Wait, so he lied about his age? I asked specifically about 31 and 24, because those are the ages my wife and I were when we met.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:52 PM

The gender that is deemed disposable by others, not that I believe he is disposable. Have you never heard of the concept of male disposability?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:48 PM
1

No, not internalized misandry, but fear of externalized misandry towards him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:39 PM
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It's pretty much the same at all schools around here (Mexico City). If he wants to grow his hair out, we'll let him and fight the school.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:38 PM
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Reputation is extremely important to men because men are expected to be the providers, so we have to be much more careful about doing and saying the right thing, lest we become unemployable and can't provide for our families. And as for crime, I never reported the woman sexually assaulted me by shoving her tongue down my throat at a club. As Dave Chappelle said about men who get SAed, there's no hotline for us when it happens, and when it does happen to us, we're expected to just walk it off and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:21 PM

Women have been allowed to be independent for over 40 years now. My mom was an independent woman in the '70s and '80s until the desire to have children called. Even then, she was the breadwinner during most of our childhood. I'm surprised when people cite women's Independence as the reason for not wanting men anymore. Women were allowed to be independent for decades before the current wave of misandry started.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:15 PM
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I think it's really weird and unfair how misogynistic men are rightly called out for having relationships with women, but it's seen as completely acceptable for misandrist women to have relationships with men. I feel like I never could have married a misandrist woman. My wife is actually pretty good about men's issues, and has become even better since we had a boy. Little by little, she's seeing things that our son has to go through that she never had to go through. Perhaps this might seem small…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:03 PM
2

That's sad, but I'm glad for your sake that you were born the sex that she wanted. Were she and your father divorced? What was her relationship like with him? I'm always confused by misandrist women who somehow had no problem fucking men to get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:57 PM
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As a man who wasn't raised that way, trust me when I tell you that men who are not raised to be hyper-masculine suffer in life and dating compared to those who are. If women suddenly woke up and decided that they like sweet, gentle guys, the male sex would change overnight, and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:55 PM
1

Women definitely are feared socially, and men definitely do get blamed for dating women who falsely accuse them or give them STDs. When a former ex of mine serially cheated on me, I was told, "But you knew she was bi, didn't you?" Men get victim-blamed all the time. Only one sex is given the astonishing power to completely ruin the other sex's reputation over nothing more than unfounded innuendos and allegations. Nobody should have that power, and of course we are afraid of those who have that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:52 PM
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And people say misandry's not real. I was also devastated when I found out I was going to have a boy, but not because of anything I felt towards him, but rather because of people like this bitch. Like any loving parent, I wanted my child to be on the winning side of the Empathy Gap and not be part of the disposable gender. I was very sad when I learned that was not going to be the case. However, I love my son to pieces, and I am teaching him to respect himself. Also, JFL at the hypocrisy of drea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:16 PM
1

38 here, and yes. Everything was gay. However, people definitely mistook me for gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:10 PM
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It wasn't traumatic due to the age factor at least. It was a bit messy, but she was honest about her inability to remain loyal to one person, so that helped. We're still friends. We just weren't compatible in the long term. She had a son just a few years younger than me, lol. My really traumatic relationship was with someone just six months younger than me. We had agreed not to share each other, but she cheated on me so much when we were long distance and didn't tell me before I bought the plane…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:06 PM
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I asked, because I've been the younger one in both of these age gaps. In neither case did anybody ever worry about me, or ask if I was okay. I'm not saying they should have, but the double standard is palpable. In the first case, not even my parents who are usually very attentive said anything about it. My brother just made Mrs. Robinson jokes. In the second case, it was the woman who would become my wife. We are still together almost 15 years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:42 PM
1

I never felt undesirable, just clueless about women's indications of interest unless they were very obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:29 PM
1

It was in a context of rediscovering each other physically after being low-key cockblocked by the exhaustion and desynchronization of raising a toddler.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:04 PM
1

I think for ASD people, the subtler aspects of gender roles are hard to perceive. Things like "wear pants, don't wear skirts" and "don't wear lacy underwear" are easy to follow, but things like "stay within an acceptably masculine range of vocal pitches" or "don't use overly expressive body language" are difficult to quantify, and thus difficult for autists to comply with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:58 PM
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Was it just me, or is getting mistaken for gay in your teens and twenties a rite of passage if you are a straight man on the autistic spectrum?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:35 PM
1

How about a 40-year-old dating a 22-year-old? A 31 year old dating a 24-year-old?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:30 PM
1

I don't see anything weird about a woman complimenting her man's manhood itself. It also came up within the context of a broader conversation, i.e., she didn't just bring it up out of the blue. As I noted to that blue pill woman up above, I was the one who brought my dick into the conversation, to be fair, joking that it was the only reason she hasn't divorced me. She also has a very long history of complimenting it. When she first saw it, she gasped and said a phrase in Spanish that would trans…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:27 PM
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Not a red flag at all. We had been talking for a while with the typical openness that the post-coital afterglow inspires, and I had just joked with her that my dick was the only reason she hadn't divorced me (since life's been a bit tense raising a rambunctious toddler).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:22 PM
1

What if it had been at 24 and 31?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:18 PM
2

I would feel flattered if a woman prematurely ejaculated with me. Just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:08 PM
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I see, you're going to keep this joke going as long as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:02 PM
1

Haha! She's actually older than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:58 PM
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That feeling when your wife of 12 years and partner of almost 15 years tells you, during the post-coital afterglow, that your dick is the best she's ever had... 🥰😍🤩
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:51 PM

Same with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:43 PM
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Men were pretty damn good from 2009 to 2013, having just elected Obama and hardly done anything wrong or retrograde in terms of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:31 PM
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I wouldn't call it mainstream, since it's pretty restricted to conservative spaces. I agree that a visible minority of men are less sympathetic to women's rights than they were 10 years ago. However, there was already unprovoked misandry brewing between 2009 and 2013. I believe we should support everybody's rights, so don't get me wrong, but this did not come in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:37 PM
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Care to elaborate? I think this has something to do with it, although I think we might be thinking this from different angles.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:24 PM
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Being independent doesn't have anything to do with this at all. You can be independent without talking shit about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:23 PM
1

I get that. What I don't get is the increased dislike of men in recent decades, after women got the change they wanted. I'm in my thirties and have never lived in a time when women didn't attend college at rates equal or greater than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:15 PM
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So why do men seem to be more disliked by women than ever if they weren't better or worse in the past? Thank you for sharing your views by the way. You seem like a nice person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:11 PM
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Men have been exposed to women's too. Doesn't paint a prettier picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:05 PM

And you came, or were you like my friends? For me, it was thinking of someone at school.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:43 PM
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At least disliked more than ever in my 38 years of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:41 PM

I would, but I am trying to rebuild my professional life after AI stole my career away from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:37 PM

I wondered if my friends just didn't have developed enough testes to cum yet. It wasn't clear to me. I had the hairiest legs among my friends that year, and a deepish voice, so maybe I developed faster than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:35 PM
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Not over housework per se, but feeling like the other person has such rigid standards exactly how it should be done that the one person has to keep projecting the other person's standards instead of being able to rely on common sense. Anyone who has experienced this knows how exhausting it is, but since men are so flexible about these sorts of things, I don't think most women know how it feels.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:23 PM
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They can? Last I checked, men have become progressively more egalitarian, kinder, and less violent over the past century, only to be disliked more than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:15 PM
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Men kill more other men than women, so I guess internalized misandry is more common than misogyny. Women killing men is never classed as a hate crime, so I won't buy biased statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:13 PM
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For me, taking care of your partner is being flexible so that they don't have to be filled with so much anxiety about doing simple things wrong that they get paralyzed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:12 PM
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On the other side, I once told a woman I was interested in her, and that if she's interested, we can be together. For context, according to her best friend, who was also my best female friend, she found me attractive. However, when I was put off by her lack of enthusiastic reciprocation and her putting up walls, she apparently complained to our mutual friend that I hadn't been persistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:11 PM
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Do you remember your first masturbation? I don't remember the date, but I remember the month and day of the week, and that it was the first week of the respective month. I was 12. I remember thinking, "Oh my God! That's the whitish fluid I read about in those puberty books!" The next day, I asked my friends if they jacked off, to which most said yes, but none had ever cummed from it. I didn't understand. What's the point of jerking off at that age if you don't get relief from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:02 PM
1

Isn't that Fat Bastard?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:57 PM
1

It's different, because men didn't ask women to change, but women asked men to change. Men changed to make women happier, but it hasn't seemed to make them happier, so what's going on? What do men need to do to make women happier if not what women are asking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:54 PM
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I think there needs to be more awareness of the mental load men bear from being expected to provide in a changing world and from having to think not only "is this clean?" but also "is this how my partner likes it?" when doing housework. Men don't care as long as something is clean, but women seem to expect things to be clean in their exact preferred way, and that's exhausting for a man. Men don't have less of a mental load than women; it's just that men are still expected not to complain, so nob…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:49 PM
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And PS, women can be sexually aggressive too, but it is not considered harassment or assault when they do it. For example, the woman who cornered me at a club and shoved her tongue deep into my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:23 PM
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That is false: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-men-femosphere-new-statesman-poll-b2958208.html
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:59 AM
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Still, public sentiment about men should be proportional if women want to reinforce good behavior. If men get better but see that women treated them with more respect when they were worse, that sends the collective message that not only is getting better not helpful, but might even be counterproductive. I mean, I'm good because I'm naturally morally scrupulous, but I understand why men who lack my scrupulosity might think differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:57 AM
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Once again, I'm not talking about attitudes not changing overnight. I'm talking about men being treated worse than when they were worse. It doesn't make sense. Lagging behind is one thing, but going in the opposite direction is something else entirely. Also, most domestic violence is reciprocal, but women commit 70% of unidirectional domestic violence: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1854883/ https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-psychiatrist/article/domestic-violence-is-most-comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:53 AM
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Saying "Lookin' good, Susan/James." is sexual harassment? I think you would be surprised. If "Lookin' good, Susan/James." is sexual harassment, I definitely got it from one of my old bosses, who would say almost exactly that or "Wow, GPIB, you look so handsome today!"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:45 AM
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Guys would not call human resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:23 PM
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Many is vague. The fact is that men are kinder, more egalitarian, and less violent than ever. many wish things were how they were before Is that supposed to be a gotcha? Of course they wish that being better than ever wasn't coexisting with being hated and contemned more than ever. Men becoming better should have resulted in women liking men better, at least as human beings if not as sexual partners. When men getting better is either causing or at least coexisting with the opposite reputational …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:20 PM
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Why? Men aren't being more hateful to women than ever, and men are working to be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:16 PM
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except in your analogies the people getting criticized didn’t harm anyone Ummm, you know that around 50% of homicides involve alcohol, don't you? And possibly as many as 75% of rape perpetrators were drinking as well. My true nature? I have never been violent. You wouldn't say such hateful things about an ethnic group, for example. It's not okay in regard to men either. Bigotry is bigotry, and bigotry is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:13 PM
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First of all, what are you? You should have a flair. Secondly, they do make sense, because men are getting better, and they have been for some time. Furthermore, the men of today are not guilty for the sins of the men of yesterday. Collective punishment is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:40 AM
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Yeah, maybe because men did everything? No, let's arrest the women. Men did not do everything. And again, if you said it would be okay to judge an entire ethnic group by something bad that small single digit percentages do, you would be called a bigot. Why do men who are non-violent and non-criminal deserve to be lumped in with the tiny minority of men who are violent and criminal?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:36 AM
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And what percentage of men ever kill women in their lives? Last I checked, the number of men whoever killed another person are in the low single-digit percentages. And given that the vast majority of men's victims are other men, you are definitely judging all men by something that even less than 1% of men do. If you did that with any other immutable group, you would rightly be called a bigot, but somehow is considered okay to do when men are the group concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:13 AM
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Couldn't possibly be all the abuse, rape and murder men commit against women, that women don't commit against men. Committed by a very small minority of men; I don't see how that justifies hatred and mistrust of the vast majority of non-violent men. Men are the only immutable group in society for which this thinking, which is very bigoted, is somehow allowed. As I said elsewhere, I think the most extreme men are worse than the most extreme women, but I think among normal everyday people, women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:10 AM
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So don't you think it's kind of bad form and low and underhanded for women to hate men more than ever when men are better than ever in terms of egalitarian thought and non-violence, etc? Hating men at this juncture to me feels tantamount to mocking a fat person at the gym, or berating an alcoholic who has traded nights at the bar for AA meetings. Men have shown a trend towards greater egalitarianism and less violence for a long time, so isn't hating them when they're at their best and working to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:07 AM
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I think the most extreme men are worse than the most extreme women, but I think among normal everyday people, women are more willing to treat men negatively than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:59 PM
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This goes both ways. It wasn't MRA spaces that placed me in an uphill battle against succumbing to misogyny; it was this one. Never have I ever seen women acting so hateful towards my sex. Of course, I know enough real women out there in the world to avoid thinking all women are bad. However, I feel like this subreddit has low-key broken me a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:47 PM
2

I love bulldogs and their smooshed faces, but I absolutely agree. I used to have an English Bulldog/Boston Terrier mix that I loved, and he lived a long healthy life. However, I agree that English Bulldogs today are kind of a genetic disaster, to put it mildly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:29 PM
1

Like if she's known for some kind of male-centered line of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:43 PM

You mean like blood brothers? Or Bill and Ted?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:37 PM
1

I just wondered if her main activity was somehow male-centered.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:17 PM
1

I don't think that explanation would fly if the sexes were reversed. Also, when she first turned herself into the police for severing the penis, her stated justification was that he was a selfish lover who never waited for her to orgasm before cumming. That to me doesn't make her later allegations of domestic abuse very credible. And if she was abused, surely a man who could sleep through having his dick cut off would also sleep through her driving away and looking for a shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:14 PM
1

Enough to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:59 PM
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No worries.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:43 PM
2

Change "after" to "before" and you're correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:39 PM
1

I'm sorry, but there's no defending a dick cutter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:28 PM
2

Cutting off her husband's dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:28 PM
1

I don't understand what kind of man would look at Lorena Bobbitt's past and say, "Okay, I'll date her."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:52 PM
0

Who is the male-centered woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:51 PM
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Hey, even Lorena Bobbitt remarried somehow. Not sure what kind of fool could bring himself to say, "Ok, you cut off your ex-husband's dick, but that's okay, it's all in the past."
/r/MensRights16/07/26 02:43 PM
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Paraphrasing something I said yesterday, this is why I get annoyed by people justifying Ukraine's sexist emigration and military registration policies by claiming it's a poor, non-EU country, so it doesn't reflect EU values. The fuck it doesn't! If Ukraine's emigration and military registration policies really don't reflect EU values, the EU should sanction Ukraine by refusing to provide further military aid until it makes them gender neutral. Of course, we all know that will never happen.
/r/MensRights16/07/26 02:40 PM
2

You're trying way to hard to make it happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:51 PM
2

Indeed. I would love never to have to work again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:06 AM
3

Yes. If a 13 year old boy's ID is checked on one of the women-only subway cars, he can be sentenced to a fine between $125 and $180 USD, 1 to 1.5 days in jail, or 12 to 18 hours of community service.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 09:14 PM
1

Glad there's some sanity in this group.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:51 PM

Infant male genital mutilation being legal all over the world, even in countries that have banned the same thing for females, is not a first-world problem. One woman (a PNW progressive who supported Bernie Sanders, mind you) told me that she was considering circumcision for her child if it was born male because she found circumcised men more attractive. That is bonkers. Why should that consideration matter unless she wanted to fuck her son? Can you imagine a man feeling comfortable saying on his…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:37 PM
0

But what's even sadder is when not even having offspring does the trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:33 PM
0

My wife became more interested in men's and boys' issues after we had a son, and I really don't understand why this doesn't happen to every woman who has a son. Every man I've known who's had a daughter (at least among Gen-X men and younger) has become a total feminist if he wasn't already.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:26 PM
2

Good point. Based on quick research, the average 45-year-old woman is stronger than boys up until about the age of 14 (around which there were be more or less equal strength between the two), so there is really no logical reason for sacrificing pre-teen boys over childless middle-aged women. Also, 12 is the age at which boys are no longer allowed on the women-only cars of the Mexico City subway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 08:13 PM
2

That is certainly true in Mexico, given that the current left-wing female president won with more male support than female support. Of course, when she lowered the retirement ages for state workers, she kept earlier retirement for female ones, which I thought was a slap in the face to the men who got her elected.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 08:02 PM
1

I thought so too! And even my boy Kyle Kulinski (whom I usually like as a fun, non-SJW leftist commentator) has been repeating this falsehood (not maliciously, I would assume).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 08:00 PM
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So it was pretty gender symmetrical, even though the male victims surely skewed younger, given that there were more male students but only female teachers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:59 PM
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After living in Mexico for over a decade, I've seen very well that political corruption is an equal opportunity vice. What idiots say that only men are corrupt?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:55 PM
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Something something bigger and stronger. Of course, I never see it addressed that those male "oppressors" also had daughters, and surely they would want the best for those daughters, right? Indeed, as far as I can tell, even Donald Trump never gave Ivanka worse opportunities than Eric and Don Jr; in fact, all Trump's kids agree that she was the favorite.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:53 PM
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What you say is exactly why I get annoyed by people justifying Ukraine's sexist emigration and military registration policies by claiming it's a poor, non-EU country, so it doesn't reflect EU values. The fuck it doesn't! If Ukraine's emigration and military registration policies really don't reflect EU values, the EU should sanction Ukraine by refusing to provide further military aid until it makes them gender neutral. Of course, we all know that will never happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:46 PM
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Rule 5 in this group exists because the misandrists would get trounced every time if people like me didn't have a hand tied behind the back when exposing bigotry for what it is with valid comparisons.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:38 PM
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I have nothing against BLM. I'm talking about what feminism does by explaining how BLM would act if it acted like feminism. I see feminists appropriating All Lives Matter to try to describe the supposed "derailing" of discussions about different gender problems by MRAs, which is ironic to me, since men suffer much more than women from police brutality and homicide in particular (i.e., the main problems that BLM formed to address in regard to black people). Indeed, white men proportionally suffer…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:17 PM
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"Male college attendance is down; this is harmful to women, since it decreases the number of eligible bachelors they can marry." "Male depression must be addressed, since it's making them too languid to earn money or do housework for us!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:06 PM
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Also, the tendency of modern "progressivism" to show no grace for social missteps strikes me as extremely anti-neurodivergent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 07:01 PM
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The primary concern of BLM is about the unfair racial biases that dominate society but their primary activism centers around black people even though by definition it could extend beyond just black people. To be analogous to feminism, BLM would need to shut down Latino or Asian racial justice advocacy, claiming that BLM is already fighting for racial justice for all; at the same time, it would also need to utterly refuse to address Latino and Asian problems after claiming to be the all-encompass…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/26 06:57 PM

You've never heard "Her money is her money; his money is their money"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:13 PM
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Not necessarily. He could be worried that the hospital switched up the babies, as I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:49 PM
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Not necessarily. Early in my son's babyhood, I had moments where I questioned whether he was ours and thought the hospital might have switched children accidentally. I never believed my wife cheated, but I did think the hospital might have screwed things up. I thought about getting a paternity test for that reason, but when he started looking more like us, I stopped considering it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:46 PM
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If there were a test that automatically determined whether a man raped a woman or not, and I was asked to take it, I'd say "Bring it on," knowing I have nothing to hide.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:40 PM
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Yes there is. The hospital could have mixed up the babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:38 PM

I totally agree. As productivity increased, we were supposed to be able to work less. Instead, we're just expected to produce more and more in the same hours. Similarly, when women joined the workforce, we should have all been able to cut our workplace hours in half as well as dividing household work hours. I'm not saying women shouldn't work outside the home, but I'm sure our capitalist overlords just loved massively increasing the workforce suddenly to make their underlings even more expendabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:36 PM
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I know you're trying to make some analogy to false accusations of rape, but that doesn't work, because unlike rape, misattributed paternity is very easy to prove or disprove through a simple DNA test.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:55 AM
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Only if you tell their friends, and media report on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:53 AM
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Disagree. At least in my case, when a woman is so fat that her curves disappear in her blubbery mass, she might as well be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:14 AM
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Sorry, I misread the plurals and singulars. My bad. So you have twins? Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:27 PM
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Interesting. Is she girly or tomboyish in personality? Younger or older?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:55 PM
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Interesting looking guy. He also looks very masculine, as you say, not to mention having a nice skull shape that doesn't need to be covered by hair. In more recent pictures, I think he might have scalp micropigmentation, which I think is cool. One thing about balding is that it intensifies the importance of staying in good shape, since having low facial fat that provides a defined jawline is pretty much the only way to avoid looking like a human potato or a thumb with a face.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:10 PM
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'Just because he wants sex with you doesn't mean he desires you.' Isn't the phrase 'Just because he wants sex with you doesn't mean he loves you.'? The fact that he can get it up to have sex with her indicates at least a baseline of desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:57 PM
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I don't know how anyone can say that boys are easier to raise, at least during the early years. The energy and hyperactivity they have are off the charts! Meanwhile, my son's cousin is very still, quiet, and will go and join my brother-in-law for a nap pretty much whenever he's tired and needs a rest. Contrast that with my son who almost never takes a nap, wakes up early (insisting that he has to because "it's daytime," but good luck trying to get him to apply his logic consistently and go strai…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:49 PM
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The right to decide when to become parents. History will vindicate me some day. It says a lot that you had to result to insults and shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:37 PM
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No whining, just stating truths that most deny. Of course, you have to insult what I say and attribute a tone to it that you have no idea about, because you are behind a screen and cannot hear how I'm saying it. I noticed you didn't say anything about circumcision, so I'll take that as you coming around to my point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:35 PM
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Especially Balkan ones, who are half Southeastern Euro genetically anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:33 PM
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It doesn't matter there's no state law mandating circumcision. The problem is that it is not banned, unlike comparable procedures for girls (which are banned at the federal level). That should not be up to parents; the only person who should be allowed to decide is the person whose genitals are affected. You don't think boys deserve the same protection as girls. That is what I object to Yes, there are states that ban abortion, but all states ban legal paternal surrender.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:05 AM
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You're the one who compared it to the Holocaust, not me. Why don't you believe men should have reproductive rights? How can you expect men to support women's reproductive rights if you don't support men's reproductive rights? I support both because I'm consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:03 AM
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Ease up on the hyperbole, buddy. Again, if a woman unilaterally decides to bring a child into the world, she should be unilaterally responsible unless the man consents otherwise. And this is not some crazy, fringe concept. Karen DeCrow, the leader of NOW when Roe v Wade was handed down, advocated for this. She felt it was indeed men's equivalent to abortion. I respect feminists like her who actually believed in equality rather than just infinite advantages for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:59 AM
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Yeah, keep telling yourself that. You're the one getting pantsed. I showed you that women have more rights in the West, and you keep having to twist things around to pretend that men have it better. And I repeat, you did say that religion makes a crime not a crime when it comes to mutilating a little baby's genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:56 AM
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I didn't claim specific difference, I was merely limiting the scope of what I pronounced to what I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:53 AM
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It's always hilarious to watch supposedly pro-choice people start making pro-life arguments when men's reproductive rights are concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:52 AM
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It's not hyperbolic or ludicrous. You think that religion and culture automatically make mutilation not a crime, so why should you stop there?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:51 AM
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Mainly because I don't know the legal frameworks of most non-Western countries (unless you consider Latin America non-Western; some people like me consider it Western, some people don't).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:35 AM
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Not true. I support men's rights and am against Andrew Tate. Men's rights are human rights, and worker's rights are men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:31 AM
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Since women unilaterally decide whether or not to bring a child into the world in places where abortion is legal, I think they should be unilaterally responsible for the child unless the man consents (note: I believe being married should mean automatic consent for the man). Also, there's no recourse for men who are raped, lied to about her use of birth control, etc. The draft may have been discontinued for now, but it can be reinstituted at any time. If there is no intention to reuse a draft, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:30 AM
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So you're okay with followers of the Aztec religion sacrificing people?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:23 AM
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For children?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:05 AM
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So you'd be okay with clitoral hood cutting being permitted but not mandatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:37 PM
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You're right, men are screwed in different ways even outside the West. The MRA subreddit gets plenty of horror stories from India.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:32 PM
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Men don't have reproductive rights anywhere in the US. I already explained lack of a right to genital integrity and mandatory military registration that men in the US have to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:30 PM
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What are you trying to say with this question?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:27 PM
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What rights do men have that women don't? In the country where I was born and the country where I live now, women have the right to genital integrity and the right to vote and hold public office without military registration. In the city where I live, the government gives female but not male victims of domestic violence free legal advice and psychological therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:24 PM
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In the West, women have more rights than men. Educate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:11 PM
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So only girls deserve rights, equality, and empowerment?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:33 PM
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"Here son, you deserve rights and equality too. Don't accept misandry." Don't equate MRAs with Tate-ertots.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:33 PM
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I believe that parents should support the gender ideology that best helps their children. Parents of daughters should be feminists, parents of sons should be MRAs, and parents of both should be both at once. In my experience, dads of daughters in particular already do this. Before my son was born, I told myself that I would be a feminist if I had a daughter and an MRA if I had a son. I feel like this is the best chance to create balance in the gender world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:41 PM
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Isn't the real analogue women demanding that men call out misogynistic men while scoffing at us asking them nicely to please call out misandrist women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:17 PM

If she's having unprotected sex, why wouldn't she be taking pregnancy tests?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:26 PM
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I agree, we need universal healthcare and better social services. I'm a leftist after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:05 PM

But there's only a kid if she decides to have it, so that's not outside her control.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:05 PM

I'm really wondering what people think a fair legal paternal surrender policy would require. I think the following cover the fairness bases: the legal period needs to be slightly less than the period for abortion (so that a woman can decide whether she wants to abort or become a single mother) it should be available only to unmarried men, giving women a means of protection by marrying a man before trying to conceive with him, and making the process congruent with safe haven laws, under which a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:13 PM
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Has she considered taking hormonal treatments to recover her own libido? Your life sounds like torture.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:45 PM
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Where did I say I was blaming them? I don't think he lied; I think he just grew up in a different world with much lower standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:41 PM

Years before we met, my wife had trouble breathing due to a deviated septum. However, taking advantage of the process to fix her nose's functionality, the plastic surgeon also enhanced its aesthetics. All that to say that obviously I would marry a woman who has had plastic surgery, since I already did.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:19 AM
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Does the country start with an 'M'?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:46 PM
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Then the women who murder are a big deal too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:32 PM
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Still a negligibly small percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:31 PM
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I'm asking if you personally think it's extremely dumb to leave someone over that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:51 PM
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Neither do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:44 PM
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What about sitting on other men's laps?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:43 PM
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This post is about whose jealousy is more socially acceptable, not who's more jealous. On the first point, I think it's clear that women win.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:41 PM
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Well, I've been married for over a decade, so I haven't had any need to put my attractiveness to the test in a hookup context (even though I definitely need to lose weight and build some muscle).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:38 PM
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I also think there's a non-trivial minority of size queens who wrongly believe that there's a meaningful correlation between height and dick size, so they use height as what they believe to be a non-slutty proxy to select for what they really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:34 PM
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I was 5'7" and had no problem pulling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:35 PM
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You say "if it's born," as if the woman does not deliberately choose whether or not to bring it into the world. If she still decides to bring into the world knowing that she can't properly take care of it and provide for it, that's not the man's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:58 PM
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That's a very specific example, however. Most things are not so black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:27 AM
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Are you talking about abortion? I've never heard anyone say the draft is hard on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:59 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:52 PM
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Feminists are doing it about a settled matter with constitutional protection that no one alive today (or who should have been alive today) suffered from. The draft/selective service is not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:35 PM
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If there was a womb draft that hadn't been activated up from a mere womb selective service for 50 years, I don't think women would be so serene. Feminists also talk about women not being able to vote in the US at the federal level before 1920 as if it were relevant, despite the fact that there are literally no women alive today in the US who were not allowed to vote when their same-age male counterparts could. In turn, there are plenty of men alive today who were drafted, or who should have been…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:24 PM
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Do you have something substantive to say, or are you just going to throw around empty ad hominems?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:12 PM
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Let me guess: even in light of the context I've set out, you think men supporting women's bodily autonomy is "the bare minimum."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:52 PM
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I'm guessing most of them are circumcised themselves and don't want to come to grips with the fact that they were mutilated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:47 PM
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Planning to come up with a more detailed post later. However... Given the negligible respect for men's and boys' bodily autonomy in society (e.g., legal infant male circumcision, the draft/selective service, no reproductive rights for men even if raped, etc.), the fact that more than 1% of men support women's reproductive rights (indeed, a plurality of men support it in the US, contrary to anti-male propaganda equating anti-abortion sentiment with maleness) shows men's generosity of spirit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:38 PM
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Heh, she really wasn't even my type. I can hardly remember what she looked like. I just know that it was in the middle of the countryside in the U.S., in a house.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:25 PM
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I find it funny how ex-Yugoslavs are like the opposite of Arabs and Chinese people. The latter pretend to speak a single language while not understanding each other in their everyday speech, while the former understand each other perfectly but pretend not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:45 PM
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Pompoir (which feels like getting your dick sucked by a pussy anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:37 PM
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Yeah, I was terrified. It felt so real. I thought, my marriage is fucking over. I think what made the dream feel more real and long-term is that I briefly woke up but fell back asleep and continued the dream. The dream felt like days.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:34 PM
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I had a nightmare that I cheated on my wife with a rural woman. In the dream, I wore no condom and ejaculated in the rural woman, despite not having discussed birth control or STDs beforehand. I was terrified and super guilt-ridden in my dream after the act. And this rural woman didn't even feel better than my wife, so it really felt like a waste. I felt so relieved when I woke up and realized I hadn't done the unconscionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:30 PM
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That's crazy! My wife is also Latin American (Mexican). Her parents made both her and her brother do chores, just very gendered ones (e.g., he has to cut the grass while she has to wash the dishes).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:56 PM

Agreed. At most, he's taught how to mow the lawn or to saw wood while she is taught to cook or wash dishes. My wife is Latin American, and she remembers resenting being sent to the kitchen while her brother was given more rugged, masculine chores. However, it was never a case of giving chores to girls only; even at its most unfair, there was a sense of complementarity about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:31 AM
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Men would rather sexually coerce (rape) their wives than leave them That is a crazy thing to say. I went a year without sex after our child was born (because I'd rather have no sex than sex my wife is not enthusiastic about having with me).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:16 AM
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The real left is about economic justice, not stupid culture war BS. However, in the US, libs think they are leftist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:59 AM
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Men even love shitting on a woman who so much as just mentions she is divorced, or is single with kids, to "stick up" for some imaginary man they've never met. I don't think it was always that way. It's well known that the research has shown that men don't have an in-group bias like women do. However, misandry has forced us to form an in-group identity that didn't previously exist for men, deviating from how we were taught, which was to treat everyone as individuals. As for whether "choose bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:55 PM
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We have learned well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:38 PM
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I wonder, what did she do for him not to trust her with the bills? I'm being facetious, by the way. I'm just trying to show what it's like to belong to the sex that's always blamed for the bad things that happen to it. ADDENDUM: Wow, I think this might be my most downvoted comment yet. I guess people don't have the attention span these days to get to the part where I make it very clear that I'm joking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:31 PM
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Why should men who don't commit crimes take responsibility for those who do? Do you say the same thing about people who belong to a certain ethnic group or people who share certain levels of melanin?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:28 PM
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I don't know how someone can think it's easier parenting boys. They're hyperkinetic, energetic, chaotic, and you have to really raise them right if you want them to be capable of giving you grandchildren later if they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:16 PM
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The way it was framed for me, it sounded like as soon as college, women would be different, based on a mix of being slightly older and more mature and on college women being smarter and more cerebral and less impulsive than their non-college-bound counterparts. It wasn't framed so much like betabuxxing as women maturing and realizing that some guys they had overlooked actually are attractive and interesting. Besides, college guys are famously broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:24 AM

And on the other hand, many pedophile female teachers are least reasonably attractive and have husbands. It would be fascinating to see how many people of each sex become pedophiles when there are only internal factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:42 PM
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I'm sorry that you didn't have much luck with men. Maybe you would have had better luck if you had found a man who was not neurotypical or who was part of an underground subculture where people are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:24 PM
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I don't want an arranged marriage, but if I was in one, it would be like many ordinary marriages past the honeymoon phase. Yeah, wasn't there a study that compared love marriages and arranged marriages (not to be confused with forced marriages) after 10 years, finding no difference in marital satisfaction and happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:51 PM
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Thanks for your response. So you agree that many men you see who seem all right could secretly be having the experiences talked about after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:49 PM
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I'm sorry you experienced that. I wanted a girl I could talk about literature with and listen to underground music with. It shouldn't be so hard for people to find their person, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:42 PM
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In my case, I did indeed think my mom and grandma were biased when they called me handsome. However, I did believe my dad when he said that women would go for smart and thoughtful over athletic and flashy in college and beyond; after all, he was pretty nerdy-looking to me in his high school pictures, and he had experienced dating as a man, plus it was never his nature to butter me up like my mom and grandma.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:25 PM
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Yes, we noticed that popular athletic guys got the girls in middle school and high school. However, there's a piece that nobody is mentioning. We were also told that, after high school, women would become more mature and see the value in the smart, thoughtful, adorably nerdy guys they had previously overlooked. Most if not all of my uncles fit this description, and all of them except the gay one were married (actually, even he married once it became legal for people like him), so I had no reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:13 PM
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No, not post birth. It would be during a limited period of the pregnancy even shorter than the period in which a woman can abort. If abortion is not murder, then what I'm talking about is not abandonment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:07 PM
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I think having unreasonable standards is authoritarian. How did I strawman you, pray tell?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:04 PM
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Maybe some men do, but not all. We also need to take into account internalized misandry. We've been taught that we're bad, irredeemable predators for so long that some of us start to believe it and base our identity around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:03 PM
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I wasn't being entirely serious. I actually believe one person, one vote. I just like to stir the pot sometimes. However, given that women have been able to vote for over a century, I think it's time for women to take responsibility as well for male-only military registration.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:01 PM
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Most men won't open up about it in real life, lest they be called whiny man babies and lose their reputations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:00 PM
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Nowadays, women cheat more than men. Let's stop relying on Silent Gen and Boomer statistics to describe Millennial and Gen Z sexual behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:56 PM
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No legal paternal surrender, which would be fair as a male equivalent to abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:39 AM
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Women would be shamed, not celebrated, for complaining about him killing her baby, while whining about how she had no choice, even though the only thing she did was irresponsibly deposit her eggs into his body and left. Men don't have reproductive rights as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:32 AM
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I agree it's not a reason for women to have fewer rights, but I think it is (or rather, might be) a reason for men to have more rights than the baseline. Think, instead of taking away women's voting rights, men, or at least draft-age men, should get 1.5 votes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:30 AM
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Yeah, at least women actually get some fun out of their simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:24 AM
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Treating men like a distinct predatorial species is hateful and bigoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:18 AM
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Once again, you're strawmanning me and insulting me, and most tellingly, you're refusing to agree that men should have an equal say in determining household standards. You have to make up ridiculous caricatures to try to put in my mouth because you can't engage with what I actually have said. With all due respect, that is the opposite of substantive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:07 AM
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And I combined it with substantive arguments and points, and it was in response to you acting like women's standards should be blindly obeyed without question rather there being an equal dialogue between both parties. How is that not an authoritarian mentality? Again, I never said that there shouldn't be standards, just that they should be reasonable, fair, and agreed on by both. P.S.: I said you wanted to be a domestic dictator, not that you were one. If you don't want to be one, prove it by sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:31 AM
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I don't need it, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:28 AM
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Thanks for the moral support, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:09 AM
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There's no productive conversation with someone who just caricatures, strawmans, insults, and dismisses everything I say. P.S.: I'm talking about things like folding clothes into four instead of three.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:34 PM
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We're talking about normal care for a house, not caretaking for elderly family.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:09 PM
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Also, there's this ridiculous double standard of Schrödinger's housework. Housework is simultaneously hard, complex, serious, and emotionally laborious work (when women do it and when feminists are trying to win points against men to further their agenda) and so easy that a child can do it (when trying to lord it over men for not immediately mastering it, showing men none of the grace upon their entry into the domestic sphere that women received upon entering the workplace). EDIT: Wow, a downvot…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:35 PM
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You're proving my point, rather. You don't want to negotiate fair standards, you want to be a domestic dictator. Again, way to dismiss all nuance. You think women don't get rigid and authoritarian about how men supposedly aren't folding clothes the proper way and other domestic tasks that have nothing to do with cleanliness or filth? You can't demand to equalize the workplace but still demand full control over the domestic sphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:18 PM
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Filth by whose standards? Once again, dismissing all nuance and complexity to try to argue that women should be absolute monarchs in the home whose whims are to be obeyed without question.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:04 PM
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There's so much talk about weaponized incompetence, a lot of which I think is problematic since it's based on the idea that women in matters of the home are always right. No one ever talks about weaponized domestic entitlement or weaponized overfunctioning (or even weaponized impatience), where women think their way is the right way by default and where they think their timelines are an iron law, so she will just usurp the task that the man was planning to do among his myriad obligations and she…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:52 PM

7 inches is more than adequate. In the US, it's basically to dick size what 6'2" is to height.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:30 PM

I didn't realize that you hadn't been with a woman like that yet. If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? But yes, 7 inches is big by any standard. Any woman who thinks it's too small was probably with a 6-inch guy who lied to her that it was 8 inches.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:21 PM

The OP of this subthread thinks 7 inches is average or small, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:17 PM

That's fine, but you would accept it if others did, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:20 PM

Armin Meiwes did nothing wrong. Just as consent is what separates sex from rape, and just as consent is what separates assault from BDSM, the same should apply to cannibalism and murder. Bernd Brandes very clearly consented to have that done to him, and Meiwes was super respectful to previous men who got scared and backed out of being his willing victim at the last minute, so I don't think what he did should be a crime. Of course, since it is illegal, nobody should do it, but I think a change in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:18 PM

I see no problem with either. However, about 20 years ago, when my friend's friend found out I had jerked it in her bathroom (my friend and I were staying there while she was out), she went ballistic, apparently thinking I had wiped my jizz on her washcloth, which is really weird, because that's not what people do with any other bodily fluids that people expel in bathrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:17 PM

This guy gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:04 PM

Obviously not, but the point is that semen is objectively less disgusting than feces, so it's weird to be okay with the latter in your bathroom but not the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:52 PM

Hehe, funny and fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:45 PM

Who's saying they're spraying it all over rather than shooting it directly into some tissues or the toilet? You sure are making a lot of assumptions. Here's a question, would you rather eat semen or feces? If the former, then why is it okay to expel the latter but not the former in your bathroom?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:45 PM

And that's ridiculous after some experience. I used to think that uglier women would worship the ground I walked on and never cheat on me, but they still did cheat. Indeed, when I met my wife, I thought she was too good to be true as a loyal attractive woman. I think unattractive women are more likely to cheat, since they are more easily tempted by male validation, even if it just means being used as a dick sheath (speaking of which, vagina in Latin indeed meant "sheath").
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:41 PM

Once again reminding people that there is nothing wrong with masturbating in the bathroom at your friend's house. I will die on this hill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:39 PM
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I'm talking victimless versus victimful (if I may coin a term, heh). I would much rather my wife sell drugs tha n cheat on me, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:38 PM

So now that I've established that yours is actually big (just like mine, which is 7.5 in), can we talk instead about women underestimating the dicks of short men? I'm 5'7". In a way, I kind of like it, since it means that every woman who has agreed to see me naked has been pleasantly surprised. It's like the ultimate reward for women who aren't shallow about height. On the other hand, I wonder if women would be more willing to give short men a chance if they knew that they might be packing a big…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:26 PM

According to the source below, it's 5.69, all while noting that past studies have yielded highly varied results ranging from 5.1 to 6.3. I guess you just got lucky ;-) https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/relationships/sex/research-reveals-the-average-penis-size-of-men-around-the-world/news-story/a5c147a96b7b4b029689cf7ff6ee3171
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:08 PM

According to calcSD, it's 5.5 globally and 5.7 in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:03 PM

I thought 6 was a little bit above average in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:43 PM

Uh, no. In length, you're in the top 1.25% globally and in the top 5.12% in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:30 PM

my dick is small ... my 7 inch dick Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:05 PM

Because men don't lower their attraction standards for wife material like women do for husband material.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:04 PM
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How about fathers who sell drugs? As far as I'm concerned, all drugs should be legal for people over 18, and I consider drug dealing itself to be a victimless crime; pretty much all the bad stuff that happens around the drug trade is precisely due to its illegality and would go away if it could be legalized and regulated. But anyway, I'm talking about a father who just sells drugs without shooting anybody up or anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:58 PM
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I think the person in question is from Zambia, since it showed up as a place with views in my insights. Zambia is overwhelmingly Christian.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 07:35 AM
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I know men aren't perfect, but if the strategy is going to be to focus 100% on the negative even as they get objectively better, or to treat them even worse than worse, less enlightened men in the past were treated, what incentive do they have to get and be better? If all men are going to be judged by the small but visible minority of bad men, what's the point of even striving to be better, collectively speaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:16 AM
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Come on, those don't occur at nearly the same frequency. And women kill their husbands too. Besides, I've never killed anyone, let alone a woman, so it's not fair to use that has justification why I should be okay with dehumanizing rhetoric directed at my gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:24 PM
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Jobs that pay less. Going to college is no longer a guarantee of a good income. For men who are still expected to be providers and make more despite women having their own money, this is very important. Harassment is down now, so hostility should be down now too. Today's young men are a different, more progressive generation than the middle-aged men who harassed you as a teenager. This is proving my point really; you are treating a younger and more conscientious generation of men as if they were…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:15 PM
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Fair enough. But that sounds to me more like it's real and it's default.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:52 PM
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Except we have to do more for women to get less from them and be treated with greater hostility by them. It's also much harder for us to get good jobs now than it was for the Boomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:51 PM
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Sorry, come again? I understand each of these statements individually, but I feel like they're kind of incompatible together.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:46 PM
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Women had free speech before they could vote. Children have free speech for God's sake. P.S.: What rights for women were lacking in order to complain about men between the 1970s and the early 2010s?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:45 PM
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I'm getting really tired of the overturning of Roe v Wade being cited as the reason for misandry going up. Misandry is increasing in other countries where abortion rights are not under attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:42 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, it's turning 243 in September. EDIT: Downvoted by someone who has never heard of the Treaty of Paris. I have a question: when does your relationship with someone start: when you actually get with them, or when you masturbate imagining them the first time?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:03 PM
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Was it unreasonable for Western men to expect that treating women better and giving them more rights would lead to them having a more positive opinion of men? And what do you expect Western men to make of the fact that all those rights and better treatment seem to have had the opposite effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:34 PM
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See, this is why I think Western women need to get over themselves and show some gratitude. They have the privilege of coexisting with the most progressive, open-minded, and non-patriarchal men in the history of the world and all they do is complain about them. Pearls to swine, right? This once again proves my thesis that there's no proportionality between how well men treat women and how women regard men as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:42 PM
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Probably not. And not because of retroactive jealousy, but because I'd be disturbed thinking about what she might expect of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:35 PM

Men who have been paternity defrauded are victims, what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:53 AM
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It seems to make some women extremely angry to see men they consider beneath them not being condemned to a life of sadness and loneliness and having the possibility of perpetuating their genes for another generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:25 AM
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I feel like bachelor and bachelorette parties are very trashy. I never understood the point of having a party whose purpose is basically to micro cheat at the very least for people who have reached a level of commitment that is marriage in all but name and de jure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:15 AM
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Do you think the time they've been together would be a reasonable amount of time? That would be basically equal to the number of years of his life she has taken from him by making him think she was a loyal partner when she was not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:11 AM
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So women agree that Goth guys don't have to pay for dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:01 AM

I think an argument could be made that paternity fraud is especially heinous because, in a way, it's a mini genocide of his line. Also, I thought murder was punished with life imprisonment in most countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:08 AM
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Excuse me, but shouldn't a guy looking gay be a plus for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:31 AM
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Regardless of one's political persuasion, I think we can all agree that women's negative view of men as a whole these days is lacking in proportionality to the bad things they actually do. Men did not become worse, at least not in proportion to women's increasingly negative view of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:25 AM
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In the country where I live, there's a somewhat popular discourse around wanting to find a güero ("blondy" or "light-skinned man") to "improve the race."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:11 AM
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Explains why they seem to like to grab them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:33 AM
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I don't understand why people always assume that passport bros are only wanted for their money. There are plenty of reasons why women in passport bro destinations might find Western men sexually attractive, e.g. he's taller/bigger-dicked on average than local men even if he's short or small for his home country, or he simply looks exotic for his destination, which can help to make up for minorly imperfect features that are immediately noticed back home.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:22 AM

And here I thought this thread was going to be about a woman-on-the-street interview video I once saw where tons of women were comfortable being recorded with their faces visible saying things like, "If I want sex, I'm getting it from him whether he likes it or not," or "Ain't no way he gonna say no."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:17 AM
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I don't think any of the Latin American women whom passport bros pursue are fucking for indoor plumbing. At least whenever I hear about passport bros in Latin America, they're pretty much always going to urban areas where the lifestyle is not a whole world apart from the US and European countries; I have yet to hear of passport bros going to some village in the Amazon Rainforest with zero electricity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:13 AM
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I sort of see myself as an original passport bro before it was cool. I spoke the local language, and when I went there, I wasn't expecting to attract much female attention. However, when I realized I did, I decided to go back, and I ended up marrying someone from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:08 AM
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I'm left-wing on both social and economic issues. My problem with feminism is not because I want to go back to traditional gender roles; rather, I feel like feminism is mostly selective traditionalism weaponized against men. I want both sides to be liberated from their oppressive gender roles, not just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:34 PM
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Not true. Apart from the fact that men in most passport bro countries are shorter than men in most developed Western countries (and thus women have more relaxed height standards), you'd be surprised how much having an exotic phenotype for a given locale can bypass the rigidity of the 10-point looks scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:16 PM
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I talk about love all the time. I'm not afraid of it. Many great male poets from time immemorial have written about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:47 AM
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Yeah, I know that feeling. If you don't mind my asking, how old were you when you lost it? I was 20, which felt extremely late in the late 2000s, but it sounds like it's fairly normal now in our post-COVID era.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:44 PM
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I've always wondered how many old-timey grammar purists were angered by that quote ("He's me" instead of "He's I"). I'm not one of those purists, since "He's me" just takes the subject-verb-object tendency of English to its logical conclusion, but I still wonder if they complained.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:41 PM
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What a trash human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:27 PM
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Then the focus should be on the thing itself and not the thing that is correlated with the thing itself. I'm very left-wing and red leaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:11 PM
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I'm pretty sure this has already been done.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:52 PM
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And what does that have to do with men's issues in society?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:18 AM
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I only care about body count insofar as a very high one correlates with likelihood of infidelity. Never cared about virginity. I am not a fan of rigid adherence to traditional gender roles at all; I just want men to be as liberated from theirs as women already are from theirs. I don't expect my wife to stay home. I don't expect submission either. I'm opposed to most feminism from the left, because it treats men with bigotry and seems okay with traditional gender roles for men when convenient for…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:52 AM
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Whatever they may be, they certainly don't represent me or my ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:48 AM
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I will ally with them on any issues of agreement. I consider myself a DeCrowist feminist. I just wish feminists were more tolerant of men like me who believe in addressing men's issues from a left-wing perspective but without having to be confined by a feminist framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:47 AM
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I feel very pair-bonded to my wife, and I feel like she feels pair-bonded to me in mostly the same way. I've always thought about it in egalitarian, non-hierarchal terms. This feels like a very uncharitable interpretation of men's innocuous words based on anti-male bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:51 AM
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I want to abolish the draft.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:41 AM
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There's nothing pro-male about the current government. It has spoken in favor of expanding the draft and has done nothing about male disposability. With its racism and xenophobia, it has sought to divide men rather than bring them together.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:39 AM
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Being against having to register for the draft is a very left-wing position.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:35 AM
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Where are the mods today? Several of the top comments are agreeing with OP against the rules. Anyway, it sounds like OP is making valid complaints against conservative Christians but then acting as if RPers were synonymous with them. I've never heard of redpillers being against abortion (since banning it would obviously make women less likely to put out).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:32 AM
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Regardless, human biology doesn't change.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:24 PM
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Fine, but I had a teacher whose daughter did some sort of teaching program in Benin and married a local guy, whom she brought back to the US and who was working in a school kitchen last time I heard. They've has multiple kids together and seemed to be happy, even though he apparently doesn't even speak English very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:37 PM
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That certainly wasn't my experience a decade and a half ago. Then again, I didn't have zero attention from women in the States, I just had much more attention when I got to Latin America.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:34 PM
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Western foreigners go through the same visa troubles. There was an article on Cracked a long time ago written by an English woman who married an American man, describing all the bureaucratic hurdles she had to clear to get her visa and live with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:29 PM
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I know people like to denigrate passport bros as simply using arbitrage to transactionally get more for their buck, but I think an underestimated factor that is relevant to this thread is that looking exotic for a given locale can throw off the conventional 10-point looks scale. Indeed, I was on the other side of this dynamic when I first arrived in Latin America and was interested in a woman that all my local friends swore was ugly and beneath me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:23 PM
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Hell, US immigration officials can even ask people about their favorite sexual positions in order to confirm that the marriage is a legitimate one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:11 PM
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Isn't the true passport bro ethos to stay in the developing country where he meets his wife? I had no knowledge of the term "passport bro" when I did it, but that's exactly what I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:11 PM
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I can't believe I'm actually engaging with your idea. However, I want to push back against the idea that all passport bro relationships are transactional. I think you're underestimating how exotic and interesting European features can be on a man when he goes to countries where they are not common Indeed, it goes both ways. When I arrived in Latin America, I was interested in a woman that all my friends in the country in question, both male and female, told me was ugly, and they all asked me why…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:02 PM
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As a man who couldn't manage to cum inside a woman until he met his wife, I feel you. Indeed, a woman once complained to me that she couldn't get me off and that this is not okay. At that point, I already accepted that I was never going to cum from sex. I hated the added pressure, because I wasn't expecting her to get me off. Of course, when I couldn't get off, I always blamed myself and never the women I was with. I also wonder how many women have desensitized themselves with industrial-grade v…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:54 PM
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I thought it was about cheaters more than predators. I agree that what OP proposes goes a little beyond the scope of the women's groups. However, considering how much men have to lose from cheating women, I think cheating women should be fair game.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:47 PM
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The cultures there are for 1, so much warmer and friendlier and less skeptical than american culture. Also this does depend on the country, but generally they party harder and are less sexually repressed then we are in the US. Even though they claim to be more religious, americans, even "athiests" have completely held onto puritan religious attitudes around sex. As an American who moved to a Latin American country and got married there, I believe this is true. Protestants are all like, sex is ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:20 PM
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Stealthing would still be rape by deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:19 PM
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Yes, by only allowing unmarried men to exercise it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:09 PM
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APPDWALT EDIT: Really MPPDWALT, but the joke was too hard to resist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:09 PM
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I'm pro-choice, but the hypocrisy is staggering. Victim-blaming much? I guess if I defraud you, you're at fault for believing me, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:06 PM
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You wouldn't say that about a race. I thought you feminists cared about microaggressions, and comparing men to wild animals is a macroaggression in comparison to many microaggressions that feminists cite as valid. The hypocrisy is laid bare for all to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:05 PM
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Just resort to insults because you can't engage with my points. Men should not be treated like dangerous criminals without a conviction first. I thought we decided that collective punishment was wrong after WWII.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:04 PM
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I genuinely thought that might be the case for a moment when my son was born. He had curly hair that neither of us have. I never for a moment doubted my wife's fidelity. I also wasn't allowed to be in the delivery room, so I had no idea what might have happened to our baby when my wife was all hopped up on painkillers and exhausted after the birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:02 PM
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Yes, conservatives. Yet for LPS, it's people on both sides of the aisle. I'm tired of the friendly fire from my fellow leftists who claim to support reproductive rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:52 PM
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I have sympathy for feelings of unsafety, but not for false bigotry that compares men to literal wild animals. Can you see why that's problematic? It is literally dehumanizing. If you want sympathy for your problems, maybe don't compare us to wild bloodthirsty apex predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:51 PM
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You act like women are just passive receptors of men's choice to go bareback, as if they never encourage this themselves. Women have agency. If you don't want a kid, see to it. Said the pro-lifer to the woman in regard to abortion. It's so easy to spot pro-life rhetoric from ostensibly pro-choice people when it's men concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:49 PM
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the men asking implies they don’t trust her Not necessarily. It could also mean that he doesn't trust that the hospital kept the babies straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:44 PM
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A way to combat harassment. Still, it was supposed to be temporary but has been kept in place for almost 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:37 PM
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It's relevant because you said that men don't understand women's feelings of being unsafe. I challenge that by noting that men are even less safe according to the statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:27 PM
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Where did you get that idea? I am super pro-abortion. I believe in reproductive rights for everyone because I'm consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:26 PM
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In the city where I live, men are not allowed to use two cars on the metro trains. They are reserved for women and boys under 12.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:21 PM
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False equivalency, because I didn't hit you on the head. There you go again with your collective blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:19 PM
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I care, but I don't care for your dismissal of men's sympathy. Women got the right to vote within a few years of a majority of women wanting it. Before then, most women didn't want it, since they were afraid that their special status as the perceived above-the-fray moral authority of society would be lost. It would have been undemocratic to give them the vote when a majority of women didn't want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:18 PM
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You say that as if men weren't the most common victims of violent crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:05 PM
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You cannot in good faith believe that a random bear is less dangerous than a random man. I respect your intelligence far too much to believe you really believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:43 PM
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Motte and bailey fallacy. No one criticizes women for feeling unsafe to a proportional degree. Men rightly criticize women for claiming to feel less safe around them than around a sharp-toothed wild animal with a killer instinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:26 PM
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Voting rights, abortion, etcetera. Men have benefited women with nothing to gain for themselves plenty of times. Indeed, tje tender years doctrine was the result of men sympathizing with one particular woman so much that they upended 800 years of common law just for her; I'd love to have that kind of pull with my so-called elected representatives! It's pretty obvious that men sympathize with women much more than the contrary. It would also be interesting to get the percentage of men who support …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:23 PM
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I find you a little bit extreme, but I do feel like it takes a very irrational kind of woman to deprive her child of a healthy two-parent household and create more work for herself just because her man wanted the same certainty of parentage that she thinks she already has.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:17 PM

Tell Gloria Steinem she was the victim of a male-dominated psyop with the minis she wore in the 1960s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:07 PM
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I just imagined a profile of a sweet, deeply reflective man who spent a lot of time discussing beforehand what the two would do in each scenario, as well as someone who gets to know her before putting it in her. What if the woman was the one who proposed taking off the condom and lied to him that she was on the pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:44 PM
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Isn’t it the same with people opposing medical abortions? In their heads it’s never a mother of three struggling with raising them or a young student who can’t afford to raise a baby, but it’s a party girl who gets abortion every month and hops from dick to dick. I don't think that, because I don't stoop to the same lows as my opponents.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:42 PM
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That's not the same and you know it. And there is a difference between reserved spots and whole-ass cars. That's collective punishment, treating all men like sex criminals by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:40 PM
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I can't help but notice how opponents of legal paternal surrender (a.k.a. paper or financial abortion) always imagine the most unsympathetic strawman of an LPS exerciser. It's never the young man first experiencing sexuality whose partner lied to him about being on the pill (or about being infertile). It's never the introvert who has very clearly told his partner that he would never want to be a parent and has obtained her assurance that she would get an abortion if pregnancy happend by accident…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:43 AM
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No, but I'll check it out this week!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:36 AM
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I'm not saying this is the only or most serious one, but I want to mention not being able to ride about 1/5 of the space on light rail trains and metro trains, despite paying the same price as a woman. I also feel like feminism made it more acceptable for women to be rude and callous to their male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:00 AM
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Ah, I see. Nice to see a pic of your pooch.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:35 AM
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You won it all?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:09 AM
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Men are not the majority in most countries, what are you talking about? Elites oppressed men and women; men as a class never oppressed women as a class.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:57 AM
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Greenland wives?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:12 AM
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Saying women shouldn't be bigots is oppressing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:53 AM
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Conservatives (and feminists), not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:35 AM
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That's fine, but don't pretend to know the whole male experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:01 AM
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I support equality for women, and they should return the favor. Men helped women at every stage of their struggles. A little gratitude would be nice. I've had at least one supposedly progressive woman in the PNW who supported Bernie Sanders say that she thinks MGM should stay legal because she likes circ'd men better. So it's not just men or conservatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:35 AM
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Ah yes, even when women hurt other women, it's still men's fault, right? /S Never mind that studies in countries like Sudan have shown that women are 100% the ones perpetuating the practice and that men prefer non-mutilated women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:30 AM
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The worst sex for men, they still orgasm and there's almost 0 risk for them. Bold of you to assume. My wife is the only sex partner I've had with whom I've cummed through penetrative sex. Before her, I just accepted that I was never ever going to cum during sex. Way to assume you know everything about the male experience. Men can get STDs too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:28 AM
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Conservatives are, not men. Feminists have supported anti-equality positions, such as NOW's opposition to a presumption of equal custody as a starting point. See also feminist opposition to the establishment of men's shelters, as if helping men took something away from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:23 AM
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So then a non-discriminatory solution should have been implemented, whether keeping everyone inside the country to do their part, or implementing policies so attractive to men that they naturally wanted to defend their country instead of having to be forced to do it. Honestly, given that Russia has a higher HDI than Ukraine, would Putin rolling through really be the worst thing in the world? Is avoiding having to speak a slightly different East Slavic language really worth all the death and dest…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:19 AM
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I know that you're just doing a gender flip of the other post, but this is a false equivalency with all due respect. Being used for money is not comparable to being used for sex. Sex is like pizza; even when it's bad, it's still pretty damn good. You're not going to promote the traditionalist view that women don't enjoy sex and have no sex drive, are you? Sex is enjoyable for both and is its own reward. Nothing is taken, nothing is given away. In turn, when a man spends his money on a woman, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:34 PM
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Feminists have often framed women's issues in very combative and unpalatable ways, yet this has not affected their ability to have women's issues taken seriously. It's time to stop tone policing hard-done-by men for not expressing their long-ignored issues in the most tactful way. Indeed, doing so is kind of ableist if you think about it, since it necessarily means that autistic people who don't know how to frame their ideas in socially palatable ways will be automatically dismissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:59 PM
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I meant gender inequality in general. That specific issue is the fault of traditionalism. However, since you're implying that men blamed their problems on women, I was telling you what I blame men's problems on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:47 PM
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Think again. Did you even check my flair? I'm married. And I don't blame women. I blame traditionalists and feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:39 PM
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The difference as I said elsewhere is that no powerful country sees Afghanistan as anything more than a joke and embarrassment of a failed state. On the other hand, the major powers of the world have tacitly condoned Ukraine's sexist emigration policy by continuing to offer it military aid (can Donald Trump's suspension of it had nothing to do with how the country was treating men). I agree that things would be different if the EU said to Ukraine, "Hold on, we're not giving you any more military…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:34 PM
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FGM is considered a gendered problem and a feminist issue despite the fact that it's mainly perpetrated by women against other women and girls. Only men get subjected to the "by other men" dismissal, as if it were somehow the patriarchy hitting itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:29 PM
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The point is not to change the mind of someone like that, but rather to prevent reasonable onlookers who are on the fence from going down the path of bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:36 PM
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This sub is not a mainstream space and is hardly representative of society as a whole when it comes to calling women out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:19 PM
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Men's genital mutilation is broadly accepted by society. And when we say it should be banned like FGM, tradition, religion, and culture are trotted out as justifications for keeping it legal (i.e., the very same justifications that the Istanbul Convention prohibits with regard to violence against women and girls, including FGM).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:56 PM
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You can't really compare Ukraine to Afghanistan. Afghanistan is a pariah nation that commands zero respect on the world stage. In turn, the EU has not demanded that Ukraine eliminate its sexist emigration policy (in order to uphold so-called European values of equality and non-discrimination) as a condition for receiving EU military aid, thus showing that the world powers of today endorse men only having full human rights when it's convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:43 PM
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So the sister was cis (a "cister," if you will)?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:14 AM
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And I feel like the reverse is usually the result of a young, reasonably attractive guy from a developing country marrying an older, less attractive woman from a developed country to get a visa.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:20 AM

Nice AOC reference
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:19 PM
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I don't know how it is for all 30-something single women, but that's certainly not the case for all of them. My wife was 31 when I met her. She had no promiscuous phase. She had a very modest, single-digit body count when I met her (that is, less than one sex partner per year from the rather late date that she lost her virginity).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:11 PM
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I'll try to watch the video tonight when my son is asleep. I don't know what else was going or not going for him, but I did want to state the obvious that, if she can't understand you, it's pretty hard to build the kind of trust needed to pull.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:44 PM
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I'm guessing he didn't even try to speak French.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:26 PM

The question is, would those gifts have been worth more than the cost of feeding their givers?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:18 AM
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By your logic, supporting the right to an abortion is treating women like children, since it separates consent to sex from consent to parenthood. All I'm saying is that men should also be allowed to separate consent to sex from consent to parenthood. Any other position is anti-equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:27 PM

I used to read a lot of late 18th century Gothic novels, and I still love them, but I just don't have much time as a father. Many of these were written by women, and a romance subplot is usual. Serenading women outside their houses and leaving them poems in their favorite spots of natural scenery aren't going to cut it in 2026.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:28 PM

I didn't think you were going to defend the detractors of the policies, since you're red pill. Indeed, I thought you were going to say what I would say if I used this title, which is that it would not lead to a bunch of fatherless kids, since women would adapt and be more careful to choose men who'd make good and present fathers as mates. Some proponents such as myself also argue that LPS should only be available to unmarried men, so women can also protect themselves by marrying the man before h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:57 PM
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Careful, the last time I questioned if someone really was the gender they claimed, I got banned for three days.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:22 AM
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No I believe abandoning a child is abandoning a child. There’s no way to dance around that for me. Terminating a pregnancy is terminating a pregnancy which in itself is a consequence. You don't see any difference between terminating a pregnancy before and after viability of the fetus? Do you think a woman should be able to abort at 8 months and 29 days? In other words, you're saying it's a child for the man the whole nine months of pregnancy, but a fetus for the woman the whole nine months of pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:50 AM
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You don’t get to dictate what someone else does with their body. That isn’t your right. I 100% agree with that. Men should not be able to force women to abort, and, provided that he notifies her during a period in which she can still decide whether to be a single mother or abort, women should not be able to force men to labor to provide for a child that women ultimately made the unilateral decision to bring into this world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:31 PM
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What rights? Above all, the right to waive all paternal rights and responsibilities during a period slightly shorter than the period in which a woman is legally allowed to abort in a given jurisdiction; that way, she has time to make an informed decision about whether she wants to be a single mother or abort. I also believe that this right should be available only to unmarried men. Thus, if a woman is worried that a man might try to exercise legal paternal surrender against her, she can protect …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:28 PM
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Yeah, with that long melon of his, I thought he was tall based on his videos until I looked up his height and saw what he looks like in full body shots standing next to other people. What about Trent? Maybe I age myself with that reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:02 AM
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You don't see any connection between feeling a need for simultaneous variety and a greater likelihood of cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:00 AM
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Why weird?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:54 AM
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I'd be kind of upset, since it would imply that one man at a time isn't enough for her, thus suggesting a serious risk of infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:52 AM
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Does anyone else agree that Trent Reznor and David Pakman are perfect examples of short guys with tall-guy proportions?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:08 AM

I thought it was hilarious watching liberal feminists get so outraged about the conservatives' proposed trans bathroom laws, as if their hands were clean after decades of promoting the narrative of male-bodied humans as insatiable rape monsters whose very presence is a threat to women safety. Libfems need to own that they contributed to creating a culture where such laws were possible. On a somewhat related note, I feel like the main substantive differences between TERFs and regular feminists is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:04 AM
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I wish more thought like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:52 AM
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Thanks for being reasonable and consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:38 AM
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It's interesting to me how certain people have tried to memory-hole her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:36 AM
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The right to renounce all parental rights and responsibilities during a slightly shorter time than the time in which women can abort in the relevant jurisdiction (so that she can make an informed decision whether to abort or become a single mother). This was supported by the leader of NOW when Roe v Wade was handed down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:34 AM
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I say we should compare the percentage of men who support women's reproductive rights to the percentage of women who support men's reproductive rights. I think it's pretty easy to guess who would have more opposite-sex sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:27 AM
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Assbody would be a good band name.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:23 AM
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Assbody would be a good band name.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:21 AM
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I am American, but I've lived here for the last 15 years or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:12 AM
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Today, I was recalling the woman who cornered me at a club and tongue-kissed me without my consent about 15 years ago, completely ruining my night because she made the woman I'd been kissing, dancing, and flirting with think I was a player and leave the club in anger. But that's not the end of it. She sent me a friend request on Facebook two weeks later. How she found me is a mystery to me. Say what you will about men, but I think most would have enough shame not to try to add a woman on Faceboo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:11 AM
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Interesting. Why's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:00 AM
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Yeah, with dat ass, he shouldn't even have to play jester.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:00 AM
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I'm pro-abortion, but I think it's hilarious how so many women think a man has to support abortion rights to be a good person but don't support men's reproductive rights (unlike Queen Karen DeCrow, the best, most principled, and most consistent feminist ever).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:51 AM
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Almost 0% chance that happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:48 AM
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Boy be thicc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:15 AM
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Man, I'm sick of the directors of my son's school (in CDMX) canceling class for World Cup events.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:14 AM
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I think we need to use the word "relatively."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:06 AM
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It's false that married women live shorter lives than single women. At 65, a married woman can expect to live 1.5 years longer than her single counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:04 AM
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I feel like that's been the point that women in this group have been trying to impress upon men here for a long time. If you think that's wrong, speak up when it comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:30 PM
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When I got into the goth-industrial subculture in the late 2000s, I feel like my hookup opportunities increased pretty much overnight, which says something coming from me as an autistic man. What I don't know is whether that has changed, since I feel like the culture may have been infected by a puritanical SJW mindset since I was last fully active in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:28 PM
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He was an evil, sociopathic scumbag, end of story. Besides, I don't think he was doing well by red-pill standards, which involve getting women to actually like you and be with you because they want to, not kidnapping them so that they are forced to do what you sexually want. Do you think Josef Fritzl was a red-pill icon too?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:52 PM
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And they think bad dating experiences with the opposite sex (i.e., something every straight person has had) justify hatred of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:20 PM
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I agree. Compared to real women I encounter, they seem practically like a different species. PPD women are lucky most women aren't like them, because if they were, I would have joined Team Misogyny a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:19 PM
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My only agenda is equal reproductive rights for all. I'm egalitarian. Why is supporting both sexes' reproductive rights so hard for you? Why do women deserve special rights above men's? It’s illegal to use anyone’s body for ANYTHING without their consent. Yes, and that includes forcing someone to work to provide for a being whose existence was ultimately your decision, not his.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:02 AM
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they don’t understand normal social codes of conduct and behavior Which allows them to see through the bullshit. Neurotypicals don't read people better. They just have the advantage of most people being neurologically wired like themselves. NTs have just as much trouble reading autists as autists do reading them, which wouldn't be expected if it were superiority rather than just a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:59 AM

You're asking a guy who is married to a woman 7 years older and still enjoys fucking her as much as he ever has. See my flair to work out our approximate ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:20 AM
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I believe in unfettered access to abortions and I believe in legal paternal surrender. I'm consistent because I believe in reproductive rights for everyone, unlike you who only wants it for half the population. Nah, sorry, I’m not gonna support a system that lets males abandon their kids more than they already do. Again, if abortion is not murder then legal paternal surrender is not abandonment. If there is no child to murder at the relevant stage of the pregnancy, then there's also no child to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:17 AM
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The time to pay for a woman on a date is after she has already proved that she is loyal and worthy as a partner, not during the getting-to-know-you stage. It's very entitled to demand girlfriend treatment without girlfriend commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:14 AM
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Yes it is a social norm for a man to pay for a date so why is he unwilling to do this for you? And this is why it's important to have both autistic and neurotypical people in a population. Without the former, illogical social norms never get questioned and re-examined. Autistic people have no investment in maintaining social norms for their own sake and naturally bulldoz society's sacred cows.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:10 AM
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But you can be charged with domestic violence even if the slap causes no lasting injuries. By that same logic, you should judge cheating just as harshly, whether or not it leads to STD infection. There's no rule that domestic violence has to lead to lasting injuries in order to be prosecutable. Again, I think there's far too much empathy for cheaters and not enough empathy for cheaters' victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:05 AM
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Women still have abortion rights in approximately 33 states in the US. Zero states have legal paternal surrender, and courts pretty much always force men who are raped as minors to pay child support. If women want their reproductive rights back on a national scale, they should really try to make sure that men's reproductive rights are included too so that there is buy-in on both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:45 PM
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Especially when you explain that men have fewer reproductive rights than women. I used to think maybe it would be a good way to help women to see how much worse it could be and to encourage them to count their blessings, but I've yet to see it work in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:02 PM
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Especially when you explain that men have fewer reproductive rights than women. I used to think maybe it would be a good way to help women to see how much worse it could be and to encourage them to count their blessings, but I've yet to see it work in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:51 PM
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I would also suspect that men use up razors faster, since beard hair is much coarser and more aggressive than women's body hair. Is that a blue tax?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 07:16 PM
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You still have to interact with people other than your spouse, which isn't the case with the angry face slap.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:02 PM
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What I'm saying is that being a single mother by choice with no legal relationship to the father would be banned if we actually took the best interests of the child seriously. However, it seems that the best interests of the child are usually just a front for the best interests of the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:00 PM
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Carrying less crap on the plane should also be a legitimate way to earn privilege on a plane.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:56 PM
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I disagree, the comfort alone is the main draw. People in first class have to deal with other passengers fumbling around with their luggage too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:56 PM
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Yes I'm aware of those things, but it's pretty hard to get to a point where those things can be negotiated. What I really, really want is for society to judge cheaters as harshly as physical abusers. I'm not even talking about criminal judgment, just social judgment. I feel like that's something that anyone who's not a cheater themselves could get behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:54 PM
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Which I think is weird. It takes a lot more effort to find someone to cheat with than it does to lose control for a split second and slap your partner's face in anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:44 PM
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Still doesn't help to clear out the plane as quickly as possible to avoid the ridiculous fumbling around. It's amazing how attached people are to the way we do things just because we've always done them that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:14 PM

I'm saying that cheating can threaten someone's body.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:58 PM
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Airlines should let people with no overhead luggage get off the plane first so that the people with overhead luggage have more space to get it down and out in the first place. Everyone wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:46 PM
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When I was a little kid hearing "ma'am" for the first time, I wondered why a woman was being called "man." XD
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:43 PM
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The fact that there are more homeless men than homeless women implies that plenty of men would not be homeless if they had been born female.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:41 PM

If the slap is light enough, there is no harm. On the other hand, if the infidelity leads to an STD, there is harm. It's not as black-and-white as you are painting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:28 PM

“just ignore them” Same thing all boys were told when bullied.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:27 PM
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Sperm donor children don't get material support from both parents. It's almost as if the child only has a right to material support from both parents when it's convenient for the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:26 PM
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a human life was made She took the final step to make it. If she knew he didn't want it, that's on her. Now, if we want to start dictating medical procedures for each other if you all want a say in abortion we could couple that with vasectomies for all men until they prove they can be competent fathers I never said I wanted men to have a say in abortion. In my conception (pun intended), he alone decides whether or not to abort, just as he alone decides whether or not to become a legal father.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:25 PM
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What are you talking about?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 12:21 PM
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This is my relationship. My wife has two to four orgasms for my one every time we have penetrative sex. I thought it was pretty normal. She's also the only woman I've cummed with during sex. I bet that if we totalled all the women who have multiple orgasms from sex and the women who have none, we would find that there is no orgasm gap in absolute orgasms during sex between the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:20 PM

I think there is confusion here. It's not cheating to fuck a bunch of people during the talking stage. What I'm saying is that it is a good idea to find out whether someone is capable of cheating during that stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:17 PM

I'm just bothered how even the lowest-level domestic abusers are treated as pariahs by society (even if their slaps leave no physical injuries), but cheaters are somehow exempt from the same social disapproval despite arguably causing much greater harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:16 PM

I just think it's weird how people who slap their partners in the face even in a way that leaves no injuries are socially deemed unfit for society, but somehow cheaters are not. Cheaters are way too coddled by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:14 PM

I don't personally believe in executing them, but I am suspicious of people who have too much empathy for cheaters. If we agree that killing them is a bridge too far, can we at least agree to give them the same social (if not criminal) treatment that the lowest-level domestic abusers receive?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:12 PM

Do you want people who cheat to be executed? No, but I think they are way too coddled by society. If slapping your partner in the face is deemed to merit ostracization, why not cheating? I think cheating is at least as harmful as the lowest levels of domestic violence and should at least be socially, if not criminally, punished the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:10 PM

I just don't see why we treat someone who slaps their partner in the face with no lasting injuries as a monster who should be ostracized from society, but not a cheater, despite the fact that infidelity can lead to STDs and causes much deeper psychological harm than the minor slap. Basically, at the very least, I think infidelity should have at least the social consequences, if not the legal ones, of the lowest levels of domestic violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:08 PM
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I’m just not sure that giving men a legal avenue to the abandonment of a living existing child is the right move. I agree, which is why I am only in favor of men being able to opt out before the woman chooses whether or not to let the fetus develop into a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:03 PM
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That's a stupid law. After all, the wife was the one who betrayed him, not the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:48 PM
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It certainly wasn't called that. I don't ever remember the term being used pre-Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:43 PM
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Probably shouldn't die, but I think we should at least be able to consider it. I feel like we as a culture have become far too soft on cheaters. People wouldn't think about executing cheaters if they were properly ostracized for the evil that they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:42 PM
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Okay, I feel like you're making this more gendered than I made it. The language I used was entirely gender-neutral. What If instead of a death penalty, the penalty in question was a fine or a certain amount of time in prison (but not enough to take someone's life away, so let's say one year or less)? I can see your point about thinking the person is paranoid if they get weirdly passionate about extreme punishments, but not if they're just trying to have a rational and spirited discussion about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:41 PM
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I feel like people are pretty good at hiding that kind of stuff for the first year. I think of it as something for what people are now calling the talking stage, which wasn't a thing when I was last still on the market 15 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:33 PM
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Most incels don't shoot up people anyway. There's a reason people trying to fearmonger around this keep bringing up Elliot Rodger's murders from 12 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:32 PM
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I'm in favor of higher taxes to support children so that it doesn't fall upon individuals too harshly. I'm genuinely sorry that that happened to you. To be clear, I support the policy I've proposed existing only in places where abortion is legal and readily available. I cannot imagine having a child out there in the world and not giving a shit about them like that. Neither can I, but I still believe that men need reproductive rights. I think it's pretty comparable to the many women who have had …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:18 PM
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Ok, maybe so. Regardless, I think the logic holds even if we're talking about a 5-figure fine or one year in jail. I don't personally believe we should impose a death penalty on cheaters, but because I know I'm not of a cheating disposition, I can dispassionately weigh its pros and cons.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:03 PM
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I know it's not what we do, but I feel like if one does not identify with cheaters, they should be able to weigh the pros and cons of it without getting defensive, regardless of whether they ultimately agree or disagree that it's the correct way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:58 PM
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I'm sorry that happened to you. That was an incorrect use of the expression (since he wasn't a boy, but a man), and what he did to you was wrong. What year did that misuse of "boys will be boys" happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:53 PM
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Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that one test to see if your partner or potential partner is not of a cheating disposition is to see if they can seriously, calmly, and rationally consider the merits of imposing a death penalty for infidelity. If they immediately get defensive about it, it suggests that they identify with the cheater in the scenario and thus are prone to cheating on you at some point. Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:49 PM
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I've only ever seen boys will be boys used to explain silly but crazy things little boys do, such as my toddler son trying to climb up to stand on his tricycle handles. P.S.: the penal system is harder on all men than on all women. Black women have it better than white men in it. Since you're the one bringing up race, let's not forget the elephant in the room which is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:44 PM
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Boys will be boys is an explanation of little boys roughhousing, not rape apologia.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:37 PM
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Well then it's time for a change. Men need reproductive rights because, without them, there is no equality. Also, just to show how fair I am, I believe that only unmarried men should be able to exercise this right. That is, married men could not use this to hide affairs, and women who are worried about this being exercised against them can marry the man before trying to conceive with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:35 PM
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If abortion is not murder, then exercising legal paternal surrender during the same period of time is not abandonment. He would make his decision, and then she would decide whether or not she's capable of being a single mother, all whilst she still has the choice to abort. If she has received a formal notice of legal paternal surrender and still has the kid despite knowing she's not capable of caring for it, that's on her. Again, this is a very feminist idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:22 PM
2

Everyone's just talking about men wanting sex, as if there were no important social issues plaguing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:17 PM
5

Men should be allowed to opt out of all parental rights and responsibilities during a period of the pregnancy shorter than the period in which a woman is allowed to abort. He should not be forced to be a parent based on her unilateral choice. The fact that society allows women to do that gives them way too much power over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:16 PM
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I think a major reason why Roe v Wade was overturned was that men were never given their reproductive rights (despite Karen DeCrow, the leader of NOW when Roe was handed down, being a strong supporter of men's reproductive rights). This meant that there was no united front when the conservatives came for Roe. I believe that any re-implementation of Roe that is to last has to also uphold men's reproductive rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:11 PM
2

That's my thought, but some people seem to think that it's a matter of parental choice (even though they would never say that about the female equivalent, clitoral hood cutting).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:09 PM
1

I was in Munich. You ever thought about looking for a Spanish, Portuguese, or Italian wife? You'd be considered tall in their countries. I'm guessing Hamburg is similar to Amsterdam in height. Despite only being 1.70 m, Amsterdam is the only place I've been in Europe where I felt like I looked out of place based on height alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:28 PM
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I don't get people here telling me that legalized infant male genital cutting is not a problem because it's the parents' decision and not mandatory. Unless it is absolutely medically necessary, I don't think it should be the decision of anyone except for the owner of the genitals in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:38 AM
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I'm 1.70 m, and I didn't feel as much like a midget in (Southern) Germany as I expected. I even saw guys my height or shorter with girlfriends. I wonder if there is a height difference between Northern and Southern Germany.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:41 AM
1

Have you thought about looking for women in Southern Europe? I feel like your height would not be so disqualifying in Spain, Portugal, or Italy (especially Southern Italy).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:39 AM
1

I saw clearly ethnic German men who were my height or shorter (I'm 1.70 m) with girlfriends in Munich a few weeks ago, and they weren't old. I thought everyone was going to make me look like a child with my height, but that was not the case. In Amsterdam, yes, but I didn't feel like a midget in Munich. Are you in Northern Germany? I imagine that height there is more like in the Netherlands. In the South, I feel like the shorter stocky Alpine phenotype (with even some residual Mediterranean influ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:37 AM
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I don't think women are inherently any worse or better than men. I believe women are capable of the same level of virtue and vice as men. That said, I feel like women are not being taught to be their best selves these days to a greater extant than men are, but the ones who do become their best selves are all the more valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:15 AM
2

Baby boys are not legally required to undergoe circumcision The problem is that they aren't required not to undergo it, unlike baby girls. It should not be up to the parents. That is flatly unequal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:04 AM
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Am I wrong that baby girls' genitals are protected while baby boys' are not, and that only men have to register for the selective service?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:26 AM
0

Yes!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:53 AM
1

Men supported women's issues. It's time to return the favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:47 AM
2

Roe v Wade was an example. Men deciding to give women the vote despite having nothing to lose from not doing it is going to bat for them. There are plenty of examples. Men generally like to make women happy and will do what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:46 AM
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Well, both these comments were direct. I directly but politely asked someone if they were a misandrist, and somebody directly told me to fuck right off. Since the latter comment was reported hours ago with no removal, I can only conclude that the mods here see my polite clarifying question as a greater violation of civility than hostile profanity. The commenter also called me ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:35 AM
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I think the young men who are telling misogynistic jokes are a loud minority. Everything else shows that men are more egalitarian, more accepting of women doing all kinds of work, and more equitable about housework than ever. I have no excuse to want to be evil. I just want men to be treated fairly. I'm a good man and don't deserve collective punishment. And by the way, Facebook definitely existed in both 2006 and 2011.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:24 AM
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So apparently, politely asking someone if they are a misandrist is being uncivil, but telling someone to fuck right off is not. I don't pretend to understand PPD mod logic. EDIT: the offending comment has been removed!!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:09 AM
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Feminists say that male circumcision is not comparable to even the lightest forms of FGM. I would say that kind of dismissiveness is keeping the movement down. I imagine that the satirical calls to repeal the 19th amendment are mainly a criticism of only men being forced to register for selective service. I'm completely against the overturning of Roe v Wade. That was an absolute tragedy, no doubt about it. However, I think the only way to bring it back in a stable way is to ensure that the repro…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:08 AM
1

Does it change your view at all to know that Karen DeCrow, the former leader of NOW, was a staunch supporter of it? Legal paternal surrender has deep feminist roots.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:04 AM
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What does she wants to have a kid and he doesn't, it hardly seems fair to force him to pay for that child for a period 24 times longer than a pregnancy. The erstwhile National Organization for Women leader, Karen DeCrow, understood this. I like to repeat this fact because it's often assumed that legal paternal surrender is some crazy, fringe MRA idea, despite the fact that it actually comes from the heart of institutional feminism in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:02 AM
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I could definitely see JFK signing the Equal Pay Act to get some extra tail on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:54 PM
1

Well we did have the internet 15 and 20 years ago. Misandry wasn't so rife then. That's a fair point that you're making, but there has definitely been an increase in misandry in my lifetime, even though men are better than ever by all feminist metrics. Shouldn't women want to reinforce good behavior by not badmouthing the most feminist-compliant generation of men ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:52 PM
2

I've already proven how women have rights that men do not have. Women are literally first-class citizens in the west today.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:49 PM
1

When you said it puts children at obvious risk, I thought you implied that you saw the fetus as a child when it's the biological father exercising LPS. I don't want convenience, only equal reproductive rights for both sexes. So you would consider supporting a form of financial abortion with reasonable guard rails (for example, that only unmarried men can exercise it)?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:20 PM
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It would only take place during a limited period when a woman can still abort. If abortion is not murder, then financial abortion is not abandonment. You can't say it's a fetus when it's convenient for you but a baby when not convenient for you. You can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:42 PM
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They make it harder to take action when they dismiss it as incomparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:41 PM
1

Be civil, please. And I seem to recall that rebellious young men were also lobotomized.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:37 PM
1

And men have not collectively gone above and beyond by giving women more rights than those given to themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:33 PM
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I give him the benefit of the doubt. After all, his private Reddit account was found, and there was nothing Nazi- like in his comments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 10:28 PM
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I believe him when he say he didn't know what it meant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 10:27 PM
3

I do. But I also take it up with so-called leftist enablers (who are all just neoliberal shitheads).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:08 PM
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Men don't have any reproductive rights. Women can still get abortions in 33 states, and even in the states where they can't, they still have safe haven laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:07 PM
3

The right to genital integrity and the right to vote and enjoy all civil rights without military registration are two big ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:06 PM
2

I hear you, and I wish we could be more optimistic about this. I personally like Graham.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 08:02 PM
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And yet women hate us for crimes we had nothing to do with. Until they get over that, we have every right to point to the positive things that men have done in order to cancel out the negative things that we are being collectively held responsible for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:57 PM
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If circumcision is a religious/cultural/psychological issue, then so should FGM be one. Can't you see that the fact that religious beliefs trump a baby boy's bodily autonomy is the problem? No one should be allowed to decide for anybody's genitals to be cut except their own. Why is giving minor children of both sexes equal protection of their genitals even a controversial position? I genuinely care about things. No one ever thought that a hot war in Europe would ever happen in the 21st century, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:25 PM
2

Most importantly, the right to genital integrity and the right to enjoy all civil rights without military registration.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:00 PM
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But it's not equal, women have better rights than men in the West. You said praise is for extra, and in the West, women do have extra. At the very least, I think we deserve not to be hated worse than when you didn't have rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:51 PM
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Also, unlike races, there is no intergenerational accumulation of wealth disparities among the sexes. Every person is immediately descended from a man and a woman, so whatever wealth disparities might have affected a given generation of women immediately disappear with a clean reset for the next generation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 04:34 PM
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The question of hypergamy does not affect my support of equal rights. However, what does make me viscerally question it momentarily in my less noble moments is seeing how misandry seems to be worse than ever, despite women having better rights than men these days, and despite men being better on all the metrics that feminists said they cared about. No one likes ingratitude. If men see that giving women what they want politically speaking doesn't improve social relations between the sexes, they l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 04:25 PM
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If he can get it up for her, he finds her attractive. Take it from one who has had the awkward experience of being in bed with a woman I couldn't get it up for it because I couldn't find her attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:03 AM
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Men who are not in power certainly are. Indeed, I believe that men gravitate to formal positions of power because of the lack of social power in their everyday lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:19 PM
2

I never even tried to look online. I definitely experienced PPD as a dad. However, I had read that we don't experience any hormonal changes, yet somehow I had this strange urge to cry all the time for the first few weeks after he was born.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 02:37 AM
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Exactly, women can just meekly look cute and be considered socially acceptable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 02:22 AM
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I totally agree. I would have seemed completely normal if I could have just flowed with the current in social interactions too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 02:22 AM
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I absolutely agree. Men had been quite nice to women and receptive to feminism when women on Twitter just up and decided to antagonize the male sex for no reason. I think almost all Millennial men were raised with feminist principles to varying degrees. Just one more reason why I believe that 2010-11 was the peak of civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:09 AM
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Thanks! I thought it was funny. I was also impressed by his instinctual social acumen. He somehow knew that my wife doesn't like it when people pee in the yard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:03 AM
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That very rarely happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:36 AM
1

Yeah, I never understood that either, not wanting to be with men but wanting to look like them for some reason. If you really aren't attracted to men, wouldn't you want to look as feminine as possible as an absolute rejection of everything male?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:15 AM
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Unless you're over 7 inches long. XD
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:12 AM
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My 3.5-year-old son just committed me to a secret for the first time. We've been playing in the yard, and he didn't want to have to go all the way back into the house and upstairs to pee, so he had me help him take off his pants so that he could pee in the yard. He told me not to tell mom, and I told him I would gladly oblige.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:02 AM
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Not to mention that almost all those oligarchic men have wives who get to share in the same luxurious lifestyle without the responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:34 PM
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They don't speak for me. I want more social programs and job creation for men. Men are marginalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:22 PM
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But that's just having an individual nervous breakdown, not concerted political action.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:21 PM
1

Except that there's very little alignment between men's interests and conservatism. Ideologically consistent leftism would be the most helpful ideology for men. It should be recognized, for example, that being more violent and being more likely to be targeted by the police are signs that a group is marginalized, not empowered; this is understood for other immutable groups but is completely forgotten when it comes to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:19 PM
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Women have more rights than men, and have for quite some time. Don't you think it's a little bit entitled to think they deserve even better than that? If you want equality, you should be supporting men's rights so that they are at the same level as women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:02 PM
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And new technologies also fed women an unprecedented diet of misandrist propaganda. The ruling classes love this, because it means dividing us so that we fight each other instead of fighting them. So they encourage it, and they know that you feel like it's progressive righteous indignation, when it could not be more contributory to maintaining the interests of the ruling class. Men treat women better than they ever have. If you think misandry is the appropriate reaction to this moment, you're te…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:30 PM
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Misandry is obviously not a response to misogyny. If that were the case, it would have peaked when women were actually oppressed, such as when they couldn't vote or when they were expected to be housewives all the time in the 1950s. It makes no sense for misandry to peak now when women have scarcely ever had it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:14 PM

Oh yeah, it was perfectly consensual sex, even if it didn't end exactly how I wanted it. We have one child, but her tubes are tied now. If I told her to slow down, she would, but I wouldn't want to interrupt her momentum towards her second, third, or even fourth orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:24 PM

Interesting. I never would have thought about it in those terms. I have cummed inside her with her on top many times. EDIT: and this includes times where she went at it too hard for me to be able to finish on top, even though that's what I really wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:53 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what being on top or not has to do with anything. If the sex is consensual, why does it matter who is on top or not? That said, I have heard women talk about consensual sex resulting in pregnancy in surprisingly passive ways. And whenever I hear that, I immediately get concerned and wonder if they were raped. When they tell me no, I can't help but ask why then they're talking about it as if it were something that happened to them rather than something they participate…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:36 PM
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Fuck buddy?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:40 PM
3

And on my side, I was really bothered that women have such wildly inconsistent views on whether a man should shave his body hair or not. I really wished there were just one standard, even if it meant having to shave my whole hairy body smooth. I was seriously worried I might meet the love of my life some day, but then scare her away because I had chosen the wrong body hair grooming standard for her. Women who like their men shaved think hairy men look like disgusting cavemen, while women who lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:14 AM
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Yep, always the low to mid ones who in theory should have worshipped the ground I walked on who cheated on me. Meanwhile, my wife is the most attractive woman I've ever had, and she's never cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:57 AM
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You'll put the sisterhood over your own flesh and blood?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:53 AM
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I was raised feminist. However, since I realized that feminists don't go far enough in favor of real equality (rather than just women's interests), I defected.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:51 AM
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I totally agree. We all agree it's wrong to say that people with a certain phenotype need to make people with another phenotype feel safe in their presence, regardless of what the crime statistics say. Why does this get thrown out the window the minute that we're talking about men versus women rather than one visually distinct group of humans versus another?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:06 PM
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Men need to have more of an in-group bias. Men can't form a men's union because there are too many sex-desperate scabs who will defect on a dime.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:03 PM

Thanks! The truth is that her mature body is quite a snack for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:04 PM

We've been together for almost 15 years and married for 12.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:09 PM

The maximum age of attraction has actually increased as I've gotten older. My wife is 7 years older than me, and I was once afraid that I might grow out of attraction to her, but fortunately that has not happened. I expect to find her sexually attractive for at least another 15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:08 PM

So there is the answer as to why women should care that men don't have partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:56 PM

And if they didn't, would you contemn them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:58 PM

For sure. However, I feel like people would be better equipped to resist that kind of content if they had regular contact with same- aged family members of the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:05 PM
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Why should how he's approaching even matter if you can break his wrists with a little bit of effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:00 PM

Hot take: the gender wars of today are facilitated by our small family sizes. It's hard to have wide-scale hatred of the opposite sex when almost everyone has at least one sibling belonging to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:57 PM

Yeah, why should women care that their brothers and sons don't have partners? It's not as if men were the same species as women, let alone existing within the same families, right? /S
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:50 PM
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I am very leftist. Nothing I said there is inconsistent with wanting economic justice for the working class, liberal social policies, Money out of politics, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:49 PM

You can serve men in a leftist way without lying to them. It's weird that you think the left can only act with principle by going against male interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:02 PM
1

Aren't you in the UK?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:31 PM
2

Thanks for thinking of your brother. Now I'm curious, has he had girlfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:45 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:35 PM
1

Would you rather be treated with the same coldness and indifference with which men are treated?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:02 PM
0

The left needs to start treating men like any other oppressed minority, i.e., superserve them and validate their concerns. Given that men are still expected to be the work sex, worker's rights are men's rights. The left needs to lean into that, as well as understand that the majority of people in power being men doesn't help the average man anymore than Obama being president helped the average person with his physical characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:01 PM
1

No what?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:49 PM
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Well, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. But be careful what you say, since I've been temporarily banned for questioning whether people were who or what they said they were. I'm not reporting you or anything, I'm just telling you what I've already experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:42 PM
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I'm genuinely sorry that your family dynamic didn't validate you as it should have. I feel like my brother was always treated as the responsible adult while I was seen as kind of eternally infantile, regardless of my academic and professional achievements. Even to this day, my dad sometimes calls me by the diminutive form of my name, and while I know he does it with affection and without any malice, it's not great for my dignity as a grown-ass man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:36 PM
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Yeah, I'm autistic, and I'm embarrassed as hell that guys like him are shaping how people like me are represented to the wider world. I don't understand why he would even want a woman to put out for him who would show no enthusiasm for his body. Maybe he just hadn't thought that far ahead. If she had agreed to put out for him, I suspect he would have immediately regretted it upon seeing that she was treating it as a chore and trying to suppress her gag reflex the whole time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:28 PM
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Kind of like how I, as someone diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome (I guess the terminology today is autism level 1) as a child, am forever grateful that I was able to marry a woman who loves having sex with me, since, statistically speaking, I was supposed to remain a sad, lifelong virgin, and I probably would have if I hadn't made a very deliberate choice to seriously put myself out there from about the age of 20 on. Maybe neurotypical people just expect to have what I have the same way most fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:20 PM
2

If it continues intergenerationally, sure. However, the individuals who personally witnessed the change would be grateful to the grave.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 05:07 PM
1

Could you be more specific?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:38 PM
2

Maybe you missed the memo, but since World War II, we have decided that collective punishment and guilt are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:23 PM
3

Sorry, I thought the meaning was pretty transparent. Naked cuddling to reinforce pair bonds and create a safe space for escalation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:23 PM
2

Looking forward to having some skin time with my wife tonight for the first time in three weeks 🤩
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:58 PM
2

So if all men are bad, and men are bad when they have casual sex, but casual sex is the best thing in the world for women (who are mostly straight, despite what the fringe comphet guys are saying), how is that all supposed to work together?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:56 PM
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Not MAGA, but MWGA (Make Women Grateful Again) XD Seriously though, if men received half the societal support, empathy, goodwill, and sweetness that women receive, we'd be super grateful and never take them for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:45 PM
2

Those are special cases of guys whose job is literally to be edgy. Do you really think ordinary guys in non-edgy jobs can talk like that without facing serious consequences?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:41 PM
1

Are you in Latin America? I see short young guys here with girlfriends all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:35 PM
1

My wife is about 5 ft or 5 ft 1. I'm 5 ft 7. Isn't it mostly American women who are like that? I bet your height would not be a problem at all in pretty much all of Latin America.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:30 PM
1

I think that being forced to carry to term a child resulting from consensual sex is comparable to being forced to pay child support, and that being forced to carry to term a child resulting from rape is comparable to being forced to pay child support to one's rapist (which is something that has been happening for quite some time, see Hermesmann v. Seyer and the many other cases just like it).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:50 AM
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I really don't think I am. Women can say horrible things about men without being canceled. Only man in far-right edgy niches can get away with saying similarly horrible things about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:05 PM
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Some women make bad generalizations about men. Some men make bad generalizations about women. That is certainly true. However, there seems to be a big difference in mainstream acceptance of each type.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:41 PM
1

Yeah, we all want kids to be extensions of ourselves, but at some point, there needs to be awareness that this is a different person who needs to be loved on his or her own terms. By the way, I'm appreciating the more friendly turn our interactions have taken over the past month or so. I'm sure there are plenty of things that we disagree deeply on, but I feel like you're a decent person who's willing to look at things from different perspectives, so you're all right in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:35 PM
1

There was plenty of cheating. My friends in her country confirmed it. There were at least 2 whose names I know. She admitted it to my now wife, who was her professor and friend. In one of her old social media profiles, she described herself as a succubus who fulfills others' sexual fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:33 PM
1

About one year. I think at least three or four. I would not be surprised if there were more.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:17 PM
1

Fair enough, I understand why some might consider that term loaded. What about core bi versus peripheral bi?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:55 PM
1

It's certainly part of the female sexuality of the woman I was dating before I met my wife. She cheated on me with so many people of both sexes during our long distance period.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:53 PM
1

I still think people should be a little more forthright about what they are if they want to avoid misunderstandings. If somebody says they're bi without specifying a subtype, people will assume that they are true bi according to my classification. Someone outside that range is perfectly within their right to say they're bi, but they can't be angry when people misunderstand.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 09:12 AM
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Yeah, it's hard for me to understand people who idealize parenting children who are adolescents and basically independent most of the day right now, as I have a 3.5 year old who wants to stand up on the handles of his tricycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:32 AM
1

Ah, ok. Just as I barely missed the opportunity to vote against Bush (I was only 17 when he ran the second time in 2004).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:30 AM
1

I care very much about it, but I'm kind of busy with parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:42 AM
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Great, we have something in common. I was just wondering, since I thought you seemed to be a little bit disparaging towards Mexico. EDIT: Only twice?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:41 AM
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I also feel like there was more of a division between celebrity beauty standards and everyday beauty standards for people you actually knew. It was understood that the hyper exaggerated beauty standards of celebrities was a fantasy with respect to real daily life. I remember being in high school and looking at a kind of short, squat, curvy girl, thinking to myself, she could never be an MTV star, but I think she's hot. I think that was a pretty common mentality. Instagram has destroyed this dist…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:39 AM
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Yeah, I know what international frameworks have accepted, but that doesn't mean it's right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:35 AM
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I'm guessing you must be an auntie, since you have a pretty realistic idea of what parenting is actually like during those first few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:33 AM
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That's funny, I was nagged by my parents to procreate, especially my mother. I think she tried to look like she didn't care, but she was always doing little things that made it clear that she totally wanted us to become parents, such as keeping little kid's clothes around just in case. May she rest in peace. That said, I'm a bit sad I only became a parent after she was dead and couldn't enjoy her first and only grandchild. I'm not going to do that to my son. If he wants to be a parent, great. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:25 AM
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I don't have much time as a busy father. I just know that human rights should be respected.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:19 AM
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Human rights and non-discrimination should be sufficient. It's deeply disturbing to me how men's human rights are the first to go whenever things go south. Male privilege indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:19 AM
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Well you were the one criticizing where I lived. Do you support Donald Trump? My wife is Mexican.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:46 PM
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If that's the case, there's even less reason to have a sexist emigration policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:45 PM
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I've lived in Mexico since college, so I've never bought health insurance in the US. For-profit healthcare should be abolished. The US is the only developed country that still has such an outdated for-profit healthcare system.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:36 PM
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It's not my fault that Zelensky didn't enact policies that made men actually want to fight for their country. I believe that any country that has to force people to fight for it does not deserve to continue existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:31 PM
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I think people should listen to basic human rights principles of non- discrimination and freedom of movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:30 PM
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All I know is that she found it difficult. Because she's smart, I imagine there was a good reason for that. I kind of have to trust what she said, and I do, because I wasn't there, and she's a trustworthy person, which is why I married her among so many other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:28 PM
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Just because people won't listen doesn't mean it's not true. Women and children are allowed to leave Ukraine, men are not. How is that not a sexist emigration policy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:23 PM
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It would have been much worse in the US, being left five or six figures in debt for the simple fact of giving birth. We were not charged a cent. P.S.: Do you say the same thing to women in red states who are worried about strict abortion laws?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:18 PM
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Additionally, look at how EU countries are now advocating for deporting Ukrainian men back to Ukraine. If they'll do that, they will also implement similar emigration policies for their own men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:11 PM
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I just don't see why they would think I'm unreasonable when the EU has tacitly endorsed Ukraine's sexist emigration policy. If despite that obvious fact they still think I'm the unreasonable one, then I think they're kind of beyond all help.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:08 PM
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It's hard when men don't have organizations to advocate for them the way women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:07 PM
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I don't know how processes work there, because I wasn't allowed in. But it sounds like she was moved from place to place very rapidly, and there is very little support for questions. It was all very impersonal and assembly line-like; ("Next!). The medical care was great, but the personal aspect of it left a lot to be desired. Way to insult my wife again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:07 PM
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If I recall correctly, there wasn't very good reception for data inside the hospital. Way to insult my wife. How very feminist of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 11:05 PM
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That's a lot of stress to put on her for a child that belongs to both of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:57 PM
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Well that's why I'm saying that she should be allowed to be accompanied with her consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:56 PM
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As I've shared elsewhere, I wasn't even allowed by the hospital to enter her prenatal appointments or the birthing room. Not because of anything I did, but simply because that hospital doesn't let pregnant women be accompanied. I hope you will reflect on the fact that you assumed our child was born in the US without me ever having said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:55 PM
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I'm temporarily away, about to pack my bags. I'm flying back to my house tomorrow. I came to visit my dad who had a heart attack to make sure he was okay. Also, our child was born in Mexico.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:47 PM
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Oh no you reported me!!! I don’t care lmao. She clearly doesn’t because she let a whiney insecure manchild play in her face. Yeah I don’t care about your wife’s qualities. Accomplished and beautiful women can have low self worth too. Too many women are head over heels with their abusers. I'm not an abuser. Reported again. How many times have to tell you that I wanted to test because I was worried about the hospital's actions, not hers? I've repeated this at least five times and you've never once…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:44 PM
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I was ready. I never doubted my wife's loyalty, only the hospital's competence. My son is in great hands. I'm teaching him not to let anybody mess with him. My wife actually has very high self-esteem, thank you very much. As she should. She's sweet, smart, intellectually accomplished with two BAs and an MA, gorgeous, etc. She's smart enough to know that I was only questioning the hospital's actions, not hers. She can't wait for me to hold her in my manly embrace again when I go back home Wednesd…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:38 PM
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I see the woman's point of view, which is why I believe it's only legitimate to ask for if the father believes that the hospital caused the mix-up and not that the wife cheated. P.S.: I I think it's worth noting also that men are just fatigued. We spent all our lives trying to cultivate empathy towards women's issues, since that's what we were taught was the moral thing to do, but we've never ever seen this empathy reciprocated on any meaningful scale. In fact, not only has it not been reciproca…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:21 PM
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I'm sorry you're in a third-world red state. Really. I hope you can get out as soon as possible. Come to Mexico. Abortion is legal in every state and constitutionally protected. In theory, safe haven laws apply to fathers. In practice, given which parent has access from the outset to the child physically, and has the power to deny such access to the other, it's pretty much impossible for a man to actually exercise that right, and it's pretty easy for a woman to do so unilaterally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:19 PM
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She'd want me to know about it. We don't have secrets, and that's how it should be an all marriages. I wouldn't care if she had an abortion, before or after we were together. I think I'm pretty much the same as most men. I can't believe that they would treat my wife like a retarded child who can't express her own wishes. That is so unfeminist. It's pure paternalism, switching the patriarch from the loving husband to the distant hospital. My wife has two BAs and an MA for fuck's sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:11 PM
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I never freaked out about cheating. However, I think cheaters are scum. Most of the women I've dated cheated. But my wife was different. She's a beautiful unicorn. I believe my wife should have the right to know everything about my dick health. I know she'd say the same about her vag health. She went with me when I got checked for balanitis, only to be treated by a female doctor who didn't know where or what the foreskin was. The law should figure out a way to balance the different things. If a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:08 PM
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He might just think little of the hospital's ability to keep the baby straight. That was me. I never doubted my wife's loyalty, but I did doubt the hospital's competence, especially after the horrible experience she had there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:03 PM
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Same with my wife. I ultimately chose not to get the test, because she made me feel secure by not chimping out when I asked her how she would feel if I got a test to have the same certainty she had (or at least thought she had in the best of times; she admitted that at times, she was so exhausted that she felt it was possible that our son could have been switched when he was taken out for certain testing). I also made it clear that I did not believe she was capable of cheating, but that I did be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:01 PM
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Women can literally just drop the child off at a firehouse and forget about him. Given that, I don't think it's unreasonable to give men a narrow window in which to renounce all parental rights and responsibilities before the child is even born (and still abortable). To paraphrase Dave Chappelle, "If y'all can kill the motherfucker, I should be able to abandon him."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:53 PM
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Well, I think it's pretty petty to deny your children a father just because you couldn't get out of your feelings and see someone else's perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:47 PM
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And are you still with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:46 PM
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I don't do that because I love my son and want to be in his life. However, I understand that there are cases where a man is deceived. I once slept with a woman who claimed she was infertile, and yet years later, I checked her Facebook page and saw a little kid of hers (no, it definitely was not mine, based on both the fact that I never came in her and on timing). Interesting that you just insulted the concept instead of addressing what I believe is a reasonable balancing of competing interests t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:44 PM
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I agree, we don't get to force women to have a child or not. That's their choice. But it should also be unmarried men's choice to decide whether or not to be parents, within a time shorter than the time for a woman to decide if she wants to have an abortion or be a single mother. I think that's reasonable. I've even advocated for guardrails on men's parental choice freedom as a gesture of empathy towards women. Marriage should be the way in which they can ensure that a man will not execute legal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:28 PM
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Feminists also have the advantage of their movement dovetailing perfectly with traditional chivalry, i.e., tell big powerful men how much women are suffering and ask them to fix it. And since men want women to be happy, they've said yes about 90% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:14 PM
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Ukraine is also a lot culturally closer to the West than Afghanistan is. None of the EU countries that supposedly believe in equality and democracy are sanctioning Ukraine for its sexist emigration laws or setting preconditions of equalizing those laws in order to access Western weaponry. Given that none of the so-called enlightened democratic Western governments have opposed Ukraine's gendered emigration policy, it's really not unreasonable for men in the West to think that they might be next. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:03 PM
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The overturn of Roe v. Wade sucks, but even with it, in the worst case, women still have safe haven laws, meaning that they still have more options about what to do if they don't want to become parents than men do. I really thought the overturning of Roe v. Wade would teach women to be a little more empathetic of men's situation of having literally zero reproductive and parental choice rights in the US, no matter what state. It's like some feminist with the monkey's paw requested equality, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:00 PM
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What can we do for those men? I wish the Western governments would impose sanctions on Ukraine to say that they need to let men leave if they want our weapons. How do I advocate for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:58 PM
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Are you asserting that men don't have societal issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:57 PM
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Besides, looking around, it looks like cheating among younger wives is still around 10 to 11%. Would you sign an 18-year contract that required six-figure investments from you without being able to verify against fraud?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:51 PM
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We'll look, this is not a race. I have never raped anyone, and I never would. However, I think it's reasonable to want an extra layer of certainty for an 18-year, six-figure investment. Maybe try to show some empathy and put yourself in our place for a moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:42 PM
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We're a married couple, we tell each other everything. She wanted me to know everything, but again, human memory is limited. This is why I should have been able to learn things firsthand just like her. Why are you trying to paint me as the bad guy? I, like most husbands, am good. Maybe you haven't had such good luck, but if that's the case, it isn't fair to project that on to every woman. I think there was an error in the voice to text. I believe I meant tests. Regardless, she has told me that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:35 PM
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She wanted me to know everything, but human memory is limited. I think most women who go to that hospital are like her. Most husbands are good, therefore they this should be presumed good save for proof to the contrary. She wouldn't have any STDs because she's not a cheater.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:31 PM
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I think more wives cheat than husbands rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:35 PM
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Against abusive people, including the cold and indifferent female nurses and doctors who made her perform tasks when she begged them to let her rest a little longer. Indeed, those were the unpleasant people that she told me about first. Stop trying to make this gender war thing. We need to have more respect for fathers and the male loved ones of women who love, adore, and protect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:56 PM
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I mean, my wife was great about keeping me in the loop, but she really should not have had to be saddled with that burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:54 PM

How funny that you mentioned the Great Recession, since 2008 was the very year that I turned in my v-card.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:03 PM

No, I've not been mean to my family. However, even the strongest marriage is stress-tested when your child's so rambunctious that all other kids just seem like really smart dogs with a spell to disguise as human in comparison to him. Indeed, I'm the more tolerant and patient one in my family. So here's the context. My dad had a heart attack in Europe, so his three sons including me agreed that one of us should go to make sure he's not overexerting himself following treatment, and given the freel…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:58 PM

No!!! Why would you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:00 PM

Interesting. As I said, in my case, it feels validating to not be seen as having lost at pathologically late anymore, but I grieve for those who may never lose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:59 PM

Now that six years have passed since the COVID-19 pandemic, are loss of virginity ages going back down too, or have they permanently risen? When I lost my virginity at 20 in the late 2000s, I was definitely considered a late bloomer. It felt kind of validating to learn that hanging on to virginity until even 25 was normal in the next generation after mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:33 PM

😂😂😂 True
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:19 PM

(B)A introverted man who wants to go to the beach, nature walks, watch movies, eat food and talks about history would not be boring to me, that guys sounds fun and likable to me. However I am also a introvert. That sounds like me. I even got my BA in history. I'm very happily married, but it brings me joy to see that women who like my personality type still exist (especially if my son happens to take after it when he's older).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:19 PM

Thanks! Also, given the nature of this subreddit, I think it's relevant to mention I've lost some weight. Not enough for a full-scale glow up just yet, but I do think it's enough to immediately make a real difference in the physical part of my marriage when I get back.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:15 PM

Good to see you back.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:13 PM

From PPD jail?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:12 PM

Which length? I think he had three different lengths during the approximately two-and-a-half years that Nirvana had mainstream popularity and Kurt was still alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:11 PM

I'm going back home to my wife and child on Wednesday after 3 weeks away. I'm trying to go back with a fresh perspective that will create less friction and more connection in our day-to-day life. I'm so excited to hold my wife close again and to give my little munchkin a tickle and a squeeze.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:10 PM
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I thought a lot about this too. Men are better than ever in all the things that feminists say matter, yet misandry is that an all-time high. What incentive do men have to keep becoming better according to feminist standards when it does nothing to bring a ceasefire to the gender wars or elevate women's opinion of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:07 PM
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As an aspy/autistic man who was a virgin until the age of 20, I realize how lucky I am that I was able to avoid falling into the autistic lifelong virgin trap. Because of that, even though I very fortunately have a wife who gives me amazing sex, I will never take for granted the sexual access I have enjoyed in my life so far, since I know how easily it could have been butterflied away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:04 PM
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Yeah, I don't get it. I'm not sexless, but I would never say that sex is not important. I have sex because it's important to me. I'd be very sad if I were forced to stop having sex forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:30 PM
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All I'm saying is don't say sex doesn't matter and then advocate to solve a problem that only results if sex matters to a whole lot of people. For the record, I am very pro-abortion and I think sex is important. I'm consistent in that regard. I do think that what the politically compromised SCOTUS did was essentially a human rights violation, but that's not a license to gaslight unfortunate sexless men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:29 PM
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There were so many doctors and nurses coming and going. One of those doctors, a young male, was, by her account, pressing up against her too closely with his penis in his pants. It's been awhile since she told me what happened, and I'm not going to force her to relive it when she wanted to just move on, but I think she said that he did get more "pressy" with the side of her body when no one else was present. She also just felt she was treated with cold and cruel indifference and callousness by s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:13 PM
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I think it's hilarious how the "sex doesn't mean much" crowd also thinks banning or severely restricting abortion is a serious human rights violation, even though only people who have sex need abortions. Why can't they just abstain from the activity that doesn't mean much anyway, problem solved, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:10 PM
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No support people were allowed. They wouldn't even let my wife's mother there, despite the fact she was a retired nurse who had worked at that very hospital and gave birth there three times. Mexico. This was in late 2022, when COVID was pretty much over.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:56 PM
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But that was after the fact a year later. I think things might have been different if someone with the awakeness and mobility to identify him have been present. I think she didn't want to report because she knew that she would have to revisit the experience, with a very low likelihood that he would even be identified.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:54 PM
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They kept what went on in there very well secret to me. You're really showing your bigotry. The security and barriers to entry to this hospital really were like that of a prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:53 PM
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He was a young doctor and not very senior there. So many doctors and nurses were coming and going. If I had been there, I could have taken a picture, seen his name tag, and made sure he was at least held accountable if he didn't stop his behavior. I guess there's nothing really left to debate. You care more about presenting men as default abusive than respecting the wishes of affected women. You're pro-woman until a woman has a point of view that doesn't agree with your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:52 PM
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But it was because he was abusive, not because he was a man. She had a lot of doctors going through there, both male and female, and both bad and good of both sexes. Indeed, my wife is one of many women who has said that she prefers male gynecologists because their lack of female anatomy means that they never take for granted that they're not being too rough and always check in. My wife has actively booked appointments with male gynecologists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:42 PM
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So just assume all males are abusive by default and ignore the wishes of the actual women on the ground. Very pro-women. Besides, the men don't even have to know that the slips existed. They can just be given at the hospital, and signed or not signed without the slips ever getting out for the men to see. The men would only ever know they existed if the women wanted them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:40 PM
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I think it was that they would take up too much space?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:37 PM
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And that is why I'm advocating for consent slips for women who want the father involved in prenatal and perinatal appointments. We agree on that, don't we?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:33 PM
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Or in general when middle-aged guys date younger women instead of women their own age. Then suddenly, leagues are prescriptive rather than merely descriptive again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:31 PM
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"Employers can't choose job seekers unless they applied in the first place."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:26 PM
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She would have been, because I would have been there to say something, and to catch the details on his name tag to report his ass for crossing the line with my wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:18 PM
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So isn't it better to have two people memorizing the details about the growing baby who are equally invested in him instead of just one? Diabolical is shutting fathers out who want to be involved, and whom the mothers want involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:17 PM
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No I haven't, but most rape isn't like that. I'm not of a raping disposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:16 PM
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Here's how I categorize it: 99-75% opposite sex attraction: bi-leaning straight 74-66% opposite sex attraction: straight-leaning bi 65% opposite sex attraction to 65% same sex attraction: true bi 74-66% same sex attraction: gay/lesbian-leaning bi 99-75% same sex attraction: bi-leaning gay/lesbian
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:09 PM

Women have more rights than men today.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:05 AM

The majority of men are more supportive of equality than ever. You can't judge all men based on those guys. The statistics show that men are more egalitarian than ever. We've been trying to make peace for a long long time. This is not the time to be hateful towards men. If women are hateful towards men in this time when men are more progressive than ever, it's just going to teach men that however good we are, it doesn't matter, there's no proportionality between what we do and what women think o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:05 AM
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My wife was the primary victim, and I was the secondary victim. If I can be forced to pay child support for the baby, why shouldn't I be allowed to attend prenatal appointments about his progressing health?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:49 AM
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I wanted to know because of hospital circumstances. I wasn't allowed in the operating room, so I have no idea what the chain of custody on the baby was.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:41 AM
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I didn't get the test because her virtuous response was enough. She also knew that I was only concerned that the hospital might have switched the baby. I knew that she would never cheat on me. However, as the baby got older, it was clear that he was ours. P.S.: Be civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:36 AM
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What harm? I did no harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:33 AM
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If I rape her, that's something she can observe. If she cheats on me, that's not something I can observe Not the same at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:32 AM
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Look, what matters is that I care about her. I would love to file a complaint, but I don't think she wants that. I asked her what she wanted to do when she told me what happened more than a year after the fact. She said nothing. I respect her wishes. Please also understand that I am grappling with guilt over the fact that I did not fight harder to be allowed in to protect her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:29 AM
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I'm not making this about me. It's about us. My wife and I are a team. She was hurt and abused for sure, but how was she discriminated against? I just don't think that's the right term. I'm angry at the doctor that abused her. I should have been allowed to kick his ass. The law changed 3 years later to require patients to be allowed to be accompanied, so it seems that the country later admitted I was right. I was also denied the right to accompany her at prenatal appointments, which was very str…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:12 AM
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Yes, it's disgusting that her greatest protector was excluded, thus enabling her abuse. By the way, why couldn't women just be given consent slips so that they could decide whether or not to be accompanied? It doesn't sound very respectful of women to me to refuse to take the women's own wishes into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:11 AM
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No, they should have hired one who wouldn't press too close to her side or engage in other predatory behavior. Besides, it wasn't just him. Another male doctor was extremely good to her, she told me, and he made her miserable stay there during the birthing process a little lighter with his kind presence. And there were female doctors and nurses who were complete cold monsters. And again, I was her husband, not her boyfriend, so I think I should have been taken into account a little bit more than…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:05 AM
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But not high risk because of the nature of the relationship, so that makes no sense. Can you understand my anger about being excluded as the man who loves her more than anything else in the world, supposedly for her safety, when my exclusion ultimately undermined her safety? Why couldn't they just give the women a consent slip to sign to express if they wanted their partners to accompany them or not following the initial prenatal appointment? By the way, did you see my PS in my last comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:58 AM
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This hospital is for women with high-risk pregnancies for medical reasons. It has nothing to do with abuse. My wife wanted me there. And thanks to me being treated like an abuser, a real abuser in the form of a doctor got to take advantage of her. Nice going! P.S.: I think if a woman marries a man rather than merely dates him, that's an additional level of vetting, so I don't know why we're comparing a husband being shut out to a mere boyfriend being shut out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:48 AM
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No, in this hospital (the main hospital for high-risk pregnancies in the biggest city in Latin America), women were never allowed to be accompanied until 2025 as far as I can tell. I wasn't even allowed to accompany her to prenatal appointments, which made me furious, since it placed on her the entire burden of asking questions and of explaining how our baby was doing to me, not to mention that the baby was my baby too, so I should have been allowed to attend those prenatal meetings as an equal …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:38 AM
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So how do you explain that this policy existed in the 1980s and 90s?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:26 AM
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And in my view, my marriage is nothing to show off or be proud of if I don't have exclusive sexual access to my wife. Whilst I like showing off my woman, I have a clear "look, don't touch" boundary, something that cucks do not have.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:24 AM
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Ukrainian women don't have suffrage?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:19 AM
4

Hey, I once had a Judith-Butler-looking butch lesbian goth tell me that she never goes for guys but would make an exception for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:17 AM
2

Had a type. My wife of 12 years has a single-digit body count and has never cheated on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:12 AM
1

Aren't more males also identifying as LGBTQ too? Also, I'd be interested in knowing how many of those "queer" women look indistinguishable from conventionally feminine straight women and ultimately marry men (or date men 90%+ of the time). I knew plenty of "bi" women just like that in my Millennial circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:10 AM
1

As I said elsewhere, it really doesn't make any sense. I have plenty of evidence from my daily life that my wife does like me because I am a man. She lets out a delighted gasp when she grabs my flexed arm or muscled thighs, shows unfeigned interest in my male genitals, and was pretty disappointed when I practically shaved off my pubic hair a few months ago (saying it made me look less manly). When we met, I had an androgynous twinky goth style, but she has slowly guided me towards a more convent…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:04 AM
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It really doesn't make any sense. I have plenty of evidence from my daily life that my wife does like me because I am a man. She lets out a delighted gasp when she grabs my flexed arm or muscled thighs, shows unfeigned interest in my male genitals, and was pretty disappointed when I practically shaved off my pubic hair a few months ago (saying it made me look less manly). When we met, I had an androgynous twinky goth style, but she has slowly guided me towards a more conventionally masculine sty…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:03 AM
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It's both, not either/or. If fathers weren't so devalued as superfluous and irrelevant at best and dangerous and violent at worst, it would be recognized that they have value to provide by being present with their pregnant partners. Plus, the child being being born was as much mine as my wife's. You're seeing that sex discrimination hurts everyone, so we should stop being so divided and stand together against injustice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:33 PM
2

It feels like you're making excuses for women who cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:39 PM
2

She's not the only person who's cheated on me. And one of the others also had a very high-n count and obsession with variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:38 PM
6

Don't you think both cheating and high-n counts correlate with a need for more variety than one partner can provide?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:38 PM
2

Crazy to me that that would be the root of that. It seems that wanting to be on the opposite side of that relationship would be the cause of a cuckoldry fetish. Or pushing her to do things with other guys, something that I would never do. For me, it's about feeling like I was excluded from romantic relationships in middle school and high school while seeing girls in sexy clothes with their boys and wanting to be on the winning side of that equation now. It's not about cuckoldry, it's about heali…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:30 PM
1

Come on, you know that's not the same thing. Listen, I'm just a strong advocate for having all kids genetically tested at the hospital. It would ensure that there are no mix-ups while also promoting fidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:27 PM
1

I believe there was a feminist push to get men out of the birthing room, treating male partners as a source of danger rather than a source of love and support. I hope they're proud of enabling my wife's abuse by a doctor due to her having no one there to advocate for her in her most vulnerable moments.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:24 PM
1

It's a one-time thing. I seriously don't understand why more women don't ask to have it proved to them that their children are theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:21 PM
1

I don't think he would have pressed up against her if he saw me there, knowing that I could kick his ass. I'm afraid it's too late to make a complaint. She didn't even tell me about this until more than a year after our child was born. I really hope she feels okay now. I won't see her again until Wednesday. Yeah, I probably couldn't have been there if I was my wife's wife, but I think there would have been more consideration. I think the fact that for obvious reasons most partners of women who g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:18 PM
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She has peace of mind because she knows that the child is hers (or at least thinks she does, but who knows if it was moved around when she was too woozy from all the medicines?).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:16 PM
1

Don't you think that's a little bit extreme? That doesn't sound rational to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:11 PM
2

But she wanted me there, and it was my child too. Attitudes like yours give cover to obstetric violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:10 PM
1

Because my mother-in-law also gave birth there, decades before COVID, and the policy was the same then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:09 PM
3

Nah, it was because of other things I was going through. However, I do feel like my wife's pussy is perfect for me and I'm content to never experience another one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:07 PM
3

But I wonder if it's just psychological due to the fact that women have the good fortune that their internal genitals can't be differentiated with the naked eye. It'd be a weird kind of study to have women with different sizes in individual men thrusting for a certain amount of time inside each of them as a sort of sensation test. For science, of course. I feel like Masters and Johnson might have done something like that back in the day. It seems like the kind of study you'd have to hire STD-tes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:06 PM
3

I'm glad you're having a bit of fun, since this forum gets all too serious sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:03 PM
2

My wife is the only woman I've ever cum with during sex, so her pussy blows all the other pussies I've experienced out of the water.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:49 PM
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They got brainwashed by the Backstreet Boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:48 PM
1

It was a high risk pregnancy, and this was the institute specifically for high-risk pregnancies where her mom had worked as a nurse when she was younger. If it had been a normal pregnancy, we would have just gone to a local clinic instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:32 PM
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That's a fair question and I really don't know. She felt that it was intentional. She had other male doctors who worked on her, and she did not feel violated by them. With this doctor, it felt different. Plus, I believe she told me that his closeness to her person changed depending on whether or not there were other medical personnel in the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:30 PM
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And for me, the greatest misandry of it all was treating fathers as superfluous and irrelevant, even though: a) my wife would have liked to have had my emotional support and presence during those vulnerable moments; and, b) the child she was giving birth to was just as much mine as it was hers, so I should have had just as much right to witness his birth as she did.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:24 PM
3

I wasn't visualizing the dudes in a solo act. Just pride in knowing that I get to touch what they only get to look at.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:14 PM
1

Oh no, that's not at all what I believe. I just believe there shouldn't have been any male doctors pressing up against her in a lascivious way. Is that unreasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:08 PM
1

Maybe I do need therapy. We have been so exhausted raising our child over the past 3 and 1/2 years that I hadn't had the time to think a lot about things. I just dread the idea of taking money that I feel like should go to my son to deal with nebulous things like emotions. Right now I'm alone at my father's place, away from my wife and kid, which is probably why these thoughts surfaced now. I'm also dealing with guilt, thinking maybe if I'd been more insistent about being allowed in, I could hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:08 PM
1

I had made peace with it, but then a year or so later, my wife disclosed to me that she had been obstetrically abused, with one of the young doctors standing way too close to her when working as if he was trying to push his penis against her side. She told me she didn't want to report it and just wanted to move on, plus she didn't know how to identify that pervert doctor. I woke up early this morning remembering that, thinking about how none of that would have happened if I had been allowed to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:50 PM
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And as a major gut punch, in the country where we live, three years after our son was born, a law was enacted saying that women giving birth have the right to be accompanied by someone of their choice. It's not going to happen again because she had her tubes tied. We both decided that one child is more than enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:41 PM
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And I happily would have asked for one for her, had I not been shut out of the birthing room based on a stupid misandrist policy that resulted in her getting abused by a young doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:25 PM
1

I get it. I just want a problematize a little bit what constitutes the West. Latin Americans speak European languages (Spanish, Portuguese, and French), practice a European religion for the most part (Catholicism), have legal systems based on Roman and Napoleonic law, have deeply Europeanized architecture and art, etc., so I feel like the only reason for not considering Latin America the West is race. Latin Americans also consider themselves Western. Also, Mexico is far more socially liberal tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:07 PM
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Indeed it was. And it was made all the harder by how I was conditioned to see cheating as a male vice. I think the younger generations really need to be taught that cheating is not a gendered danger anymore. Too many teenaged boys and young men never see it coming because outdated statistics involving generations that are either dead or require Viagra to fuck are still presented to paint cheating as something men do to women. Additionally, to get back to the main topic, I definitely think there …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:02 PM
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We both agreed not to share each other, and that I was all hers and she was all mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:50 PM

I am not into virtue signaling, but my wife is now in her mid forties, and after nearly 15 years together, I can proudly say that I enjoy sex with her now more than ever. She's also seven years older than me, so I'm not yet in my own forties (even though I'm not far off). There's something about her mature body that I find very attractive. Maybe it's the fact that any 25-year-old can easily look attractive with no effort, so when I see that she's still gorgeous 20 years above that, it shows that…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:41 PM
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I think a lot of erroneous ideas about sex and dating come from one sex projecting unto the other what it wants. Men would definitely take "She's nice to me and she's not butt ugly" as a good reason for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:31 PM
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You know, I used to be the male feminist telling his friends to stop slut-shaming, because if they felt less stigmatized about being sluts, we could probably get more sex. However, after dating a woman with a very high body count whose exact number I did not get to know (but which was known to my wife, who was introduced to me by my ex), and getting serially cheated on by this ex while I was faithful in a long distance relationship, I couldn't help but come to think, maybe my slut-shaming friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:28 PM
1

I wasn't able to ask for anything because I wasn't even allowed in. God-damned misandrist policies that let her get abused because her protector was shut out!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:23 PM
1

After all, he clearly had the color that one would expect of the two of us. I am mostly of European descent and my wife is Latin American of mostly indigenous heritage with some Euro. The funny thing is that he turned out lighter than I expected and darker than my wife expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:19 PM
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Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:16 PM
1

Sorry, I don't understand what that statement is in response to in context.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:15 PM
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I also made it clear I trusted her, but not necessarily the hospital. I was never allowed in the birthing room, and I only saw my son almost 48 hours after he was born. My wife had a terrible time in the hospital, and I only found out from her over a year later that she had been subjected to obstetric violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:11 PM
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I just asked her hypothetically how she would feel. She occasionally expressed doubts the first few days, again, because his hair texture seemed so different from what would be expected from the combination of the two of us, but we both came to see him resemble us more over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:08 PM
2

I have no cuckold fetish. That came entirely from your mind. I have never been a porn watcher.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:06 PM
1

That was misunderstood. I meant that I liked thinking they would find her so attractive that they might do that later. Read my words carefully, I never once mentioned actually imagining the solo act on the part of the guys. On the other hand, I gave an example of how this actually played out on vacation. My wife and I were at this restaurant, and she was wearing a very flattering short sundress. We were both in our thirties, and the waiter was probably in his early twenties. We could both tell t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:12 AM
1

Awesome!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:44 AM
0

I'm fine with it. Just make sure that we also know who the female criminals are too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:38 AM
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Thanks for admitting that men do have a conscience. That's a step in the right direction against the steady diet of misandry that TikTok is feeding modern women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:37 AM
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I also made it clear that I trusted her, but that I thought the hospital might have made a mistake, since hospitals are run by humans, and humans are fallible. Still, I will always admire her for handling it like an adult, which I'm seeing is a pretty rare reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:36 AM
2

So if he asks her in private with no other witnesses, it's okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:31 AM
1

This country is in the OECD, so probably less third world than one might think. And it certainly is more Western when it comes to LGBT rights and abortion than the American South.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:22 AM
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I have nothing to hide. I'm glad to have a way to differentiate myself from criminal men. I've had the experience of being treated like I'm unsafe by a woman, despite the fact that her best friend was my best female friend, so I think that should have meant that I was abundantly vetted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:20 AM
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How sad that you would punish him like that for a completely ordinary male insecurity. When I said to my wife, "Listen baby, you know I trust you entirely, but how would you feel if I got a paternity test just so I could have the same certainty that you have?", she responded perfectly calmly, unlike all the people here saying that a woman should respond aggressively. And guess what? By reinforcing my security instead of trying to undermine it with an overly adversarial response, she left me so s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:19 AM
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Exactly. Shortly after our son's birth, I said to my wife, "Oye mi amor, you know I trust you completely, but how would you feel if I got a DNA test just so that I can have the same certainty that you have?" She didn't chimp out like PPD women are saying a woman should when being asked to something like that. She answered very calmly and understandingly, you know, like a normal, healthy, empathetic adult. And guess what? Her calm demeanor just reinforced my trust in her, and to this day, I've ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:16 AM
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Yeah, I once had a night with a woman who had a boyfriend who told me she would do just that if he ever had any suspicions. This was back in 2009. I'm not proud that I let myself be in this position. I was 22 and barely more than a virgin. I felt extremely dirty the next few days, and I never ever slept with a non-single woman again.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:10 AM
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If your going to demand a test off your wife 10+ years simply because “she’s female” your An arsehole that shouldn’t be in a relationship and your wife will almost definitely leave you This does not happen. By the way, when I said to my wife, "Listen baby, you know I trust you entirely, but how would you feel if I got a paternity test just so I could have the same certainty that you have?", she responded perfectly calmly, unlike all the people here saying that a woman should respond aggressively…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:08 AM
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Perfect. We law-abiding men would have no problem with that. However, I think it's funny that you think a man being a criminal is an impediment to finding female attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:04 AM
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They manage different things. I do all the legal paperwork, for example, so organizing a paternity test would be right up my alley. It's very sexist to assume men are incompetent little bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:00 AM
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I certainly wasn't an outlier at this major hospital in the enormous capital city of a large Latin American country. Institutional misandry left my wife unprotected and abused. I'm wondering if I could find other couples who had a similar experience and file a class action? I don't know. I just feel sad and hurt. And I wish I'd known this when it happened, but my wife didn't disclose this to me until more than a year after; she also said to me that she didn't want to report anything. I respect h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:51 AM
1

Ok, but I didn't ask my wife. All I did was ask where she thought he could have gotten curly hard on her side. I thought my father could have had the gene on my side.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:45 AM
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I already said I believe he's mine. I have believed he's mine for quite some time. And I always believed that if he wasn't mine, he wasn't my wife's either. I have never doubted my wife's fidelity. She's a very good woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:59 AM
1

I didn't see a tag on my boy when I was finally allowed to see him after 48 fucking hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:55 AM
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That may be so, but I still think the process of isolating women in such a vulnerable situation as giving birth is absolutely scummy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:53 AM
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There is no evidence. It's all lost. As I said, I didn't even know this happened until after a year. My wife did not disclose this to me when it happened. I just wonder, how many more women have to be abused before we recognize that husbands matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:48 AM
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I did care, but I couldn't because I wasn't allowed in the hospital room. In any case, he has my diastema and my father's mischievous smile, so nowadays I am convinced he is ours.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:46 AM
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It's sociopathic to cheat on a man and lie to him that it's his child. I don't think most women would do that, but there need to be consequences for those who do. I believe that men and women are equally capable of virtue and vice. The problem is that vicious women are rarely punished the way that vicious men are. I want equality; I'm a simple man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:45 AM
2

We need to abolish the stupid fucking health insurance system in the US. It's a goddamn crime against humanity. Universal healthcare now!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:44 AM
1

I care about both. Switch-ups can occur. My wife was subjected to obstetric violence and I'm angry. I should have been allowed to be in the room with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:43 AM
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What are you talking about, I love women. I only hate women who are hateful. You can't find a single piece of proof of me being misogynistic, unless you think me wanting to prevent my wife from getting abused was misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:42 AM
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I believe that men and women deserve the same certainty, and that both should be tested as a matter of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:40 AM
1

I wasn't allowed in, and not because of anything I did. My wife wanted me there, and I think it was really scummy of the hospital not to respect her fucking wishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:37 AM
1

I don't think she is and never asked for one. I did however at one point think that the hospital might have switched our kid. But I never thought my wife was a whore. There would be no misogyny if all women were like her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:36 AM
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Huh? I don't know what you're talking about. My wife doesn't cheat. She's a good woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:32 AM
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I hurled out no insult. I merely asked if you're a misandrist. It's telling that you didn't say no. Anyway, don't you patronize (matronize?) me like that. What if he literally says, "I trust you, would I like to have the same certainty that you think you have"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:31 AM
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Lies! I was sexually assaulted. A stank ass biatch shoved her tongue down my throat at a club. I could have gotten oral herpes, but since I was bigger, security never would have done a damn thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:25 AM
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Well that's because I trust my wife, but I can understand how hard it must be for guys who don't. Every man subjected to paternity fraud once trusted his wife and was made a sucker for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:19 AM
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I don't think anything happened. Obviously my wife was exhausted from the pregnancy process. And no one in her family was allowed to be with her. She was all alone and isolated. If they were that worried about me being a sanitary risk, I would have happily taken every damn test they wanted. I also wasn't allowed to accompany her to her prenatal appointments, which meant a lot of questions we had were never asked, because she was burdened with having to remember them all, and we never got to play…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:18 AM

But it's not accusing of cheating. It's just wanting the same certainty she has. Why don't you think men deserve that? Is that because you're a misandrist?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:13 AM
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Young male doctor was pressing against the side of her body with his penis in his pants. I didn't even know about this until more than a year after it happened. This specific public hospital in the country where we're living has always treated husbands as an unnecessary occupation of space and sanitary risk (or even as a danger that will interfere with treatment or try to coerce the wife to do what he wants). I too was surprised by his curly hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:11 AM
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I still think they should be treated as a public good, since kids deserve to know what their genetic profile is if they happen to deal with diseases later. Besides, it can be really hard for men who are not sociopaths to go through with getting her DNA sample without her consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:08 AM
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Well I don't know. I wasn't allowed to be there. And I'm angry, because my absence allowed her to suffer obstetric violence. Misandry hurts women too. All I know is that my wife expressed minor doubts about our son being our son at first because he had curly hair that neither of us have.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:46 AM
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But she might not know that because she's under so many drugs after all the effort in labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:32 AM
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I think there should be mandatory paternity testing anyway. Of course, because I believe in fairness, I believe that such a law should be passed to only take effect 9 months after its passage so that it doesn't retroactively punish anyone who already cheated. However, I think that such a law would be great to save men from paternity fraud in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:31 AM
1

Exactly, so that's why it's literally a one-time test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:19 AM
0

She's tired from having given birth, so it makes more sense for him to get the test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:18 AM
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Well I wasn't allowed to be in the room with my wife when she gave birth. And thanks to this act of misandry, she was subjected to obstetric violence. Women need to be protected and watched over by the men who love them the most in such a vulnerable situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:17 AM
1

But it's not constant, it's a one-time test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:14 AM
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She's tired from having given birth, so it makes more sense for him to get the test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:12 AM
2

Why is the government so trusting that the correct man is supporting the child? We should have a database of all male DNA that the baby DNA is compared to so the correct male is forced so support the child he sired. Good idea!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:11 AM
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But she's going to be tired from having just giving birth. It's fair for the man to make the effort to prepare the sample and everything so that she doesn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:10 AM
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It probably wouldn't be reasonable to ask her to get a DNA test when she's tired from having just given birth. It makes more sense for the man to get the DNA test for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:09 AM
2

Thanks! I'm hoping maybe changes can be made if it's finally understood that misandry hurts women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:08 AM
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Because you're assuming that suspicions of infidelity are the only reason a man would want a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:03 AM
1

Maybe so. I think you were writing your message when I expanded on my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:02 AM
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And if I said "Don't have kids with men who you think might beat you," I would be called a victim blamer. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:57 AM
2

Neither I nor any other family member was allowed in the room where my wife gave birth. And thanks to the hospital treating me, the man who loves her more than anyone else in the whole world, with suspicion just because I'm a man, my wife was subjected to obstetric violence. This is what happens when we demonize husbands. I'm still angry!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:55 AM
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And what if he didn't know until after that he was having concerns? Does he not deserve the same level of certainty as the mother? And for that matter, why are mothers so trusting? Mothers should want maternity tests to guard against possible switch-ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:54 AM
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You know there are other reasons for paternity and maternity testing, such as hospital mix-ups.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:50 AM
2

What if it's not because he thought you cheated, but because he thought the hospital might have had a mix-up?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:49 AM
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But it's possible that the distrust is not against you, but against the ability of the hospital to keep the babies straight. I never got that test, but that was the only target of my distrust.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:48 AM
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Certain emotions might not come out until after the fact. Don't you think you're demanding an unreasonably high level of foresight and planning for men who have never been fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:47 AM
3

My son seems not to have been born autistic, thankfully. Not because there's anything wrong with being on the spectrum, but because people like those in this thread go out of their way to make our lives hell, despite us not harming anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:43 AM
5

Treat autistics as prey?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:33 AM
5

I was diagnosed with Asperger's, now called ASD1, more than 30 years ago. I know that autistics don't always have high IQs, hence my specification of high-IQ autistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:32 AM

Everyone who knows me considers me very noble in character. How am I entitled? You are being very rude. NT empathy at its finest. /S
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:43 PM
5

Developments ironically made possible by the kind of hyperfocus that high IQ autistics are known for. You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:40 PM

I'm more empathetic than you are with your pathological hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:35 PM
2

Nope. I'm married with a child. Besides, you ladies keep waiting until late to have kids, which increases the likelihood, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:34 PM
4

One day, we'll be the majority and you'll have to adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:29 PM
5

ASD is not a mental illness. It's a normal part of human variation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:28 PM
4

Typical, challenging something I never said. All I'm saying is to accept or reject as one wishes but also to assume good faith. People aren't mind readers, which is why people need to ask people out in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:11 PM
7

No, but some grace should be given. It's funny seeing you challenging something I never said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:08 PM
3

That's very neurologically ableist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:43 PM
0

Downward mobility is a thing too, especially for his generation, which is also my generation. If you look at my life up to the age of 24, I would look pretty upper middle class, but definitely not based on my life since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:36 PM
1

Manufactured in the sense that, if he had been a pro-Israel establishment politician, he never would have been scrutinized the way he was. The establishment is shitting its pants trying to bring him down. Yes, the recent evidence of electronic infidelity is deeply unfortunate. However, Collins once had an actual physical affair with a married man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:34 PM
1

It's not even nationality, it's having a phenotype that is attractively exotic in the target country.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:33 PM
1

When I found out my Latin American long-distance ex was cheating on me after I'd already bought my ticket to visit her, I immediately made sure to make out with as many women as I could at the goth clubs I used to frequent in the American city where I come from. I had to make up for the time she stole from me, and the American women in my orbit were happy to oblige. Later, I ended up moving in with and marrying her hotter professor (who is only 8 years older than her and 7 years older than me).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:32 PM
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My position has always been that humans lie, women are humans, therefore women lie. I never bought "believe all women." Even so, most of his ex-girlfriends had good things to say about him, so even by the logic of "believe all women," the balance is in his favor for anyone being intellectually honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:59 PM
2

I'm at my father's house right now, so I've now turned my four-day streak burning 1100 calories daily on the elliptical into a five-day one. I'm going to visit my friend today, along with his wife and their little baby. I will go back to my own wife and child midweek.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:40 PM
-2

I love how the manufactured Graham Platner scandal is triggering both the libs and rightoids. I really hope the good people of Maine will not throw away this opportunity to finally have a Democrat with balls in the Senate who will fight for the working class instead of being a whore for corporate donors.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:38 PM
1

Yeah, goths have been wearing tight black pants pretty much non-stop for the last 40 something years, regardless of bagginess versus tightness trends for pants in the mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:50 PM
2

Exactly. Unless they have a thyroid condition or some medical issue that prevents normal cardiovascular activity, most women under 30 have to try pretty hard to look ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:49 PM
1

Agreed! I'm done with trying to adapt to Gen Z's ridiculous formless fashion trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:46 PM
1

Tight pants never went out of style in the goth scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:43 PM
1

Are you gay or bi?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:10 AM
1

I am so lucky to have the wife I have. She is amazing. We've had our quarrels over certain day-to-day things, but she is the best wife ever, and I love her to death. She's a fucking queen. Not to mention that I think she is still gorgeous after nearly 15 years together (and I admitted to her about two years ago that I was afraid I might lose attraction to her because of the age difference and was happy to report that that did not happen at all).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:57 AM
2

Probably because she was a professor, so she at least had to be in her late twenties? Oh, and one last detail from the big goth event where I met her in person. She says that when she first saw me in real life, she thought I was so handsome that she immediately felt like my ex was an idiot for cheating on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:54 AM
2

And she was so pissed in February 2012 when I answered the phone at my future wife's house, causing her to realize we were living together. She complained to my now wife that there wasn't any trust anymore, with my wife telling her that she had no moral authority to be talking about trust after what she did to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:51 AM
2

Let me try to provide a clearer timeline: July-August 2011 - Long-distance ex introduces me to her professor, my future wife, through MSN Messenger September 2011 - I buy my plane ticket, but my ex immediately turns weirdly cold, so I get our mutual friends to investigate to confirm what I believed (i.e., that she was cheating) Mid-October 2011 - I arrive in my ex's country Late-October 2011 - There is a big event in the local goth scene there, where my ex, my future wife, and another woman I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:45 AM
2

On the night we first kissed, I was 24 and she was 31. My ex was about six months younger than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:37 AM
1

Also, I found out from my aunt yesterday that my great uncle was kind of a cuck. I knew his wife had a drinking problem. I didn't know that she would sometimes disappear for a whole weekend while leaving him with the kids. And I especially didn't know that "his" last child was considered to look different enough from him that everyone of my mother's and grandmother's generation considered it an open secret that she was not biologically his.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:35 AM
1

I just remember "Get an Ugly Girl to Marry You" by Jimmy Soul playing in the TV trailer and thinking it sounded so fucking funny as a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:31 AM
2

We met online first a few months before the above events, through my long-distance ex-girlfriend, who was the student of my now wife at the college where she taught. However, despite ex being my future wife's student, they were only eight years apart in age (indeed, my wife tells me that, on the first day of class, she got dirty looks from the students when she sat at the teacher's desk, who thought she was a classmate trying to be funny until she stood up and gave the class). Ex GF actually int…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:28 AM
2

I don't know what I am. My now wife invited me to hang out at her house. I honestly thought she just saw me as a friend, and I really wasn't expecting things to get sexual. We were drinking lots of wine, however, and that was always part of the plan. Later on, she suddenly decides to start removing my blackheads from my face. I ask her if she did that to all her male friends, and she said, no, just her ex-boyfriend and her brother. Years later, she admitted it was an excuse to rub her boobs agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:00 AM
1

Thanks a lot. I'm autistic too. I think it comes more from my dad's side, since there are so many vaguely autistic people among my cousins, as well as at least one of his siblings (my aunts and uncles), and I would argue his aunt (my great aunt), who had this all-consuming obsession with family genealogy spanning more than 30 years by the time she died; she printed out and saved every single email, certified copy, and other correspondence related to this passion of hers, totaling around 6400 pag…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:55 AM
2

Yeah, reacting to reacting, so lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:50 PM
1

That's a funny thought. He was a weird guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:49 PM
2

Yeah, I lost my mom about six years ago, so I know how you feel. I can understand you wanting to call him. I'm sure his surviving essence is very proud of you!! In my case, my mom missed the birth of her only grandson so far by just under three years. My dad already had two grandkids through a son he had before he met my mom, but my mom had no grandkids when she was alive. She was always dropping hints about when my wife and I were going to have a kid, so I can tell that she was craving being a …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:48 PM
2

Thanks! You are very kind. Now that I know you care, I will post periodic updates on how it's going. I might do some more exercise later.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:22 PM
3

Being forced to have sex is the unsexiest sex in existence. And for everyone. I wouldn't want that. That's why I feel like married couples should engage in regular scheduled nude cuddling without a goal in mind (even though sex can happen if it arises naturally) to maintain the spark and tenderness in a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:37 PM
1

Agree. In that subgenre, the exaggerated gender polarity of the co-vocalists is the entire distinguishing factor. Outside that one exception, I don't see any reason why men and women can't sing in the same subgenres.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:35 PM
0

Thanks! I want to look hot for my wife by the end of the summer at least, so I am taking the distraction-free time I am away from her and my son at my father's place to get a head start on that. I have to go back next week, but I think I will have the start of a good habit (we have an elliptical at our house too).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:33 PM
-2

I'm not saying it's a good thing to leave no room for flexibility, but if someone signed onto it...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:29 PM
-1

I agree that it is not a good thing to agree to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:28 PM
3

Remember "Semi-Charmed Life," Third Eye Blind's bouncy late-90s power pop song about having sex on crystal meth?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:27 PM
1

Well, beauty and the beast metal is kind of a sub-genre of metal, with a melodious female singer and a growly male singer providing complementary but contrasting vocals. Think Theatre of Tragedy and Sins of Thy Beloved. Other than that, I don't consider female vocals a separate subgenre. Cadaveria of Opera IX did raspy black metal vocals as well as any man, and there are several good power metal bands with female singers like Sinergy, Nightwish, Dark Moor, Fairyland, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:16 PM
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I think the term is pre-agreed consent, not rape, in the case of OP's scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:08 PM
1

Yeah, fuck the trends, I'm going to order a bunch of new pairs of skinny jeans when I go home. I didn't work to have thick, toned manlegs just to hide them under baggy fabric.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:02 PM
1

Well then come out and say it. I'm autistic. I don't do well with people beating around the bush, especially when it's all in writing and I can't depend on tone of voice or facial expressions to guide the interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:01 PM
1

My wife and I were going to abort if he had DS.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:55 PM
2

My brother was nicknamed Hobbit in high school. Has never had trouble getting pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:55 PM
3

I've got a four-day streak burning 1100 calories per day on the elliptical!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:51 PM
1

You weren't there, I'm telling you, it had nothing to do with being fat. I was mainly fat between 3rd and 5th grade and again between 8th and 10th grade. This incident happened in 6th grade. It was unfortunately not fat shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:33 PM
1

No that's not why. I'm pretty sure it's because they thought it was autistic or a weird rocker guy or something. It had nothing to do with fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:28 PM
17

I think men actually have more emotional intelligence, because they actually have to work to understand women if they want to date them. Meanwhile, women are free to be tactless jerks and still find love.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:27 PM

I'm sure what they did wasn't fat shaming, but rather some other kind of mockery. That's why it was different.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:46 PM

E'erbody is the remedy and cause of everybody's issues. Enough of this bullshit division already that the elites want so that we destroy each other instead of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:59 PM

Thanks but no thanks. I don't think that's why. I was starting to get thinner by then. I'm sure it's because I was a bit autistic at the time and liked heavy music.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:57 PM
1

Sincere. Why would you think otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:55 PM
2

I sent a screenshot of my entire Reddit inbox to show that the warnings they thought they had sent me had never reached me. They didn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:55 PM

I'm sorry. I was fat in elementary school, and again for the first few years of high school. I was mocked for being fat too. However, it sounds like the effect on you was much more intense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:54 PM

I'm honestly surprised. When I'm fatshamed, I eat less, take a walk or get on the elliptical, and lift weights. And as I said, I don't respond well to negative motivation in literally any other area of life, which is why I have always believed that fatshaming is fundamentally different from other shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:21 PM
0

I wonder what incivilities I've committed lately that I'm not being warned for but that mods think they've warned me for, only to be used for a future temp ban that I never saw coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:19 PM

Fatshaming worked for me. And I don't respond well to negative motivation in most areas, but this is different, so I think other should be able to understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:17 PM

It's not different when I do it, it's different because it's different, no matter who does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:16 PM
1

And, are you going to take him up on the offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:12 PM
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