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never came off in anyway that they were actively looking to cheat. I wouldn't see a lot that would, to be quite honest. The purpose of the video is to explain how I created a value comparison between the girls current boyfriend and myself, allowing me to win out very often. There are a few things to consider here context wise: Where does the conversation take place? Nightclubs? Then in that case, yes, it would tend to happen more often than during typical daygame. You mentionned "very often". Bu…
/r/seduction17/07/17 04:04 PM
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As I am. But the way I see it, it seemed like the typical try-hard-to-come-up-as-chivalrous post. Plus, the timing of when the boyfriend line is said hasn't been taken into consideration. You gotta think that we don't all have the same moral compass as humans, and that some women may say that a lot later in the conversation just to gauge how the guy will react. I'll agree, however, if it's said flat out from the start. That means "fuck off", straight up, then. However, saying that the first scen…
/r/seduction17/07/17 03:39 PM
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Loss of interest, perhaps? If those you meet are pretty much carbon copies of one another, that may happen.
/r/seduction17/07/17 03:22 PM
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Lately though, there hasn't been much, if any. Care to elaborate? What exactly is different from before? Less people liking? More spam bots?
/r/seduction17/07/17 02:54 PM
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If you bothered to browse my posting history, you'd see I'm everything a red piller hates. :) Funny, however, that you should consider me as one when your posts are filled with anger, insults, and name calling. But that's just my take on it, take it for what it's worth... to you.
/r/seduction17/07/17 02:39 PM
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I wonder how many of these posts it will take for people to understand that there's no better teacher than actual experience.
/r/seduction17/07/17 02:32 PM
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Too many siths on this thread, dealing in absolutes. There are two possibilities to the "I got a boyfriend" line, and it all has to do with timing. If stated pretty early, then they're dismissing you. No ifs and buts about it. If stated well after rapport has been established, then it may be a shit test. Not everyone's morals are pure, so them stating this doesn't mean they wouldn't be willing to bite the apple. At that point, it's a matter of following your own moral compass rather than acting …
/r/seduction17/07/17 02:21 PM
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Depends on when it's stated. If it's right from the start, then it's as good as "back off". If it's well within the conversation, and rapport has been built, then it most likely is a shit test.
/r/seduction17/07/17 02:12 PM
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Now that's accurate. If stated early, it means you dun goofed. If stated much later, then it's a shit test. There is a distinction to be made, which seems to be quite the alien concept to a lot of people on this thread.
/r/seduction17/07/17 02:01 PM
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So you're accusing the guy of rape, yet you're not above using "gay" as an insult. As stated before, congruency at its finest.
/r/seduction17/07/17 02:00 PM
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please don't rape anyone Hold on, say what? You really brought the R word into this?!? On a completely unrelated sidenote, I like how the line starts by "please" and then finishes with name-calling. Congruency at its finest.
/r/seduction17/07/17 01:57 PM
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I'll disagree as well. How she acts speaks volumes more than words out of her mouth. And that doesn't just apply to women. You just making yourself look desperate As you are, by white knighting. And on that note, let the minuses hit the floor.
/r/seduction17/07/17 01:55 PM
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I think she likes me, but there are others guys that she treat in a similar way. Don't mind that detail. At least, you have a chance to set yourself apart from the pack. Do you, guys, think I should tell her what I feel? Verbally comminucating your feelings at this stage WILL set you up for failure. This step is where you let your actions do the talking. I could not turn our conversation more sexual, because a simply do not know how to do this with this especific girl. It's no different than wit…
/r/seduction17/07/17 01:51 PM
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Obviously in order to have an emotional connection you need vulnerability. I've just been wondering about the limits per say about it. As far as vulnerability goes, it's not as black and white as people like to believe. Showing vulnerability is not the same thing as self-loathing or throwing a pity party. Those are most definitely not attractive. However, one could be sensitive to, say... works of art, such as music, and this can be seen as good, as long as you actually own that, and more import…
/r/seduction17/07/17 01:36 PM
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Here's the thing: if she cheated, she already had that intention in the back of her mind. You didn't make her do anything. She simply awaited a golden opportunity with someone who'd present himself to be the perfect partner in crime. All a man does by following these is presenting himself as that perfect partner in crime. You don't "make her cheat", she does because that idea has been creeping in the back of her mind, and she went ahead and put it into execution. Won't work with every woman, as …
/r/seduction17/07/17 01:19 PM
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I think cocaine's a hell of a drug.
/r/seduction14/07/17 08:48 PM
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General life expectancy in humans is in the high 80's, if I'm not mistaken. You have at least 30 years in front of you that you should be able to fully enjoy before the usual aging health problems start popping their ugly heads. You wanna spend those 30 years ruminating and throwing a pity party? Then sure, keep telling yourself that, and I can guarantee you this will happen. This will be a pity party for the ages. The mother of all pity parties. But if you don't want that, then start working on…
/r/seduction14/07/17 06:41 PM
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Well, she knew what the fuck she was doing, that's what. :)
/r/seduction14/07/17 06:35 PM
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You won't like that read. At all. I've been throwing her negs, kino, all the right things Wow, nice bunch of 1st gen lingo there. Doesn't say anything at all about the context, though. Not trying to sound like an ignorant narcissist - it's just how it is. That's because that's what you're acting like right now. Your entire post utterly refuses to acknowledge anything you've been doing wrong. And boy, are there a bunch. First, you approach this as a step-by-step thing like most people who read 1s…
/r/seduction14/07/17 06:12 PM
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will never be confident with girls I wouldn't say "never" but yeah, I see what you mean. However, confidence in general will still give him an edge, and will make it easier for him to learn through errors, and therefore get more confident in that specific field.
/r/seduction14/07/17 05:33 PM
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The reason? You don't build rapport, comfort, and attraction. I mean, put yourself in the hottie's shoes for a sec. She gets lots of guys telling her she's cute, hot, and all that kind of generic, impersonal jazz. And don't dig any deeper. Why would she give any of those guys the time of day if they're not even willing to learn more about her? How do you think rapport is built? By displaying a genuine interest in knowing more about the person. And GENUINE is the key word. Asking a list of questi…
/r/seduction14/07/17 02:00 PM
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Awful online response rate Most men do. The online dating game isn't good for men as women are in a buyers' position. That's not just you. never get looks in public Again, most men never do. Because most men won't stand out. This is where good looks play their part. Don't expect to be looked at if you look the same as every average Joe, that's just normal. If you feel this is an issue, you have to take action. been this way for 20 years my whole life No. You LET IT be this way your whole life wi…
/r/seduction14/07/17 01:41 PM
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Are you that eager to risk your bread and butter just to dip your weiner?
/r/seduction14/07/17 01:18 PM
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Not interesting enough.
/r/seduction13/07/17 09:42 PM
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Hm, interesting.
/r/seduction13/07/17 02:47 PM
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Lines like these are not my typical modus operandi, but I gotta say that this one is funny as fuck!
/r/seduction13/07/17 01:30 PM
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We broke up a while ago, haven't even thought of her to be honest, let alone trash talk her. Which is the mature thing to do. You don't want to waste energy on bad-mouthing people when you're over them. So good job on that! But i'm tired of getting together with friends and listening to them saying how she said i'm this and that. Well that's when you tell your friends you don't want to hear it. You want to get to better things, and them delivering the news of her shittalk is useless, and quite f…
/r/seduction13/07/17 01:28 PM
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Come back when you're at least 18, then you can start filing field reports. Dude, there's nothing wrong with people being interested in learning game at a young age. He can still enjoy his life as a kid while learning about this specific aspect of social dynamics. Sure, he'll find that a good portion of game material won't apply as well as when you're an adult, but at least he'll have a bit of preparation, which never hurts. Plus, if he gets the habit of approaching down at a young age, he'll be…
/r/seduction13/07/17 01:19 PM
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I'm general what do you do? Hello general. I'm Marthdotsk, nice to meet you. She never makes the first move. Of course she doesn't. That's what we do. In person she always teases me etc That's a good sign. And the stuff prior to this part is good as wellthus far, even if I didn't quote it. However today I was about to ask her out, however my flirting went a bit wrong. A mix of a typo and poor sentance construction. It probs left her confused and she hasn't replied. How did you handle the typo th…
/r/seduction13/07/17 01:02 PM
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I never said you had to sell anything. Quite the contrary. I might not have been all that clear so here's what I meant. Average joes will pay women drinks, and those women would be dumb to refuse the free booze. However, if you elicit enough interest, she'll still reject the guys who pay her shit.
/r/seduction12/07/17 09:31 PM
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when other guys offer them drinks You have your answer right there as to why. Every average joe and their dog go for that. You have to set yourself apart.
/r/seduction12/07/17 08:50 PM
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This has to be bait... this has to.
/r/seduction12/07/17 06:23 PM
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The all-you-can-eat buffet runs out when there's no food left. Not sure if pulling a Homer over this will go over well, however.
/r/seduction12/07/17 03:58 PM
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I don't know why you sound this mad over an opinion, though...
/r/seduction12/07/17 03:47 PM
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waiting for women to walk out Well, he could've wandered around the mall and it wouldn't been THAT noticeable. Mistake number one right there. Waiting for them to come out is a blatant display of neediness, rather than going about your business. Reminds me of sollicitors in our subway system in Montreal. Whether they are salesmen for the "Homeless Journal", or youngsters working a summer job to collect funds (in an extremely pushy way) for charities, nobody wants to engage them simply because th…
/r/seduction12/07/17 02:36 PM
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I fail to see how that's sassy. I think he wanted OP to realize that this actually happens more often than we care to notice.
/r/seduction12/07/17 02:13 PM
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She talks to me about her boy problems, which is a pretty big indicator she may not be into me. This is where you may be misinterpreting it. How you react to her telling you about those boy problems will determine whether or not she'll be into you. Speaking of which, could you elaborate on how you handled those, if you don't mind? until when we were about to leave because it felt like she was keeping me there and put me in a situation where I could've tried to kiss her. She wanted it and was hop…
/r/seduction12/07/17 02:11 PM
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You're rationalizing your fear of approaching. All you brought up were excuses. Just approach.
/r/seduction12/07/17 02:06 PM
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Well here's what would happen. Advanced sub gets created. Beginners will notice. Beginners will go to advanced subs hoping for better advice, or to avoid showing they're beginners. Advanced sub gets filled with newbie questions despite rules stating the opposite. Advanced sub turns into normal sub.
/r/seduction12/07/17 02:05 PM
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Women are not a game. Understanding and mastery of interpersonal relationships can be one.
/r/seduction12/07/17 02:02 PM
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Sounds like you're disguising "lowering your standards" as an abundance mindset. Ergo, you're lying to yourself. That's a shortcut. And not a good one. The abundance mindset simply means that you realize that there are plenty of fish in the sea, and that you base your decisions and your general attitude off of that. Lowering your standards underlines a lack of confidence, and puts your scarcity mindset on display. Case in point? Have a look. 9's and 10's are rare That right there is scarcity men…
/r/seduction12/07/17 01:59 PM
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Then I'd say we were saying the same things differently.
/r/seduction11/07/17 07:38 PM
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You never know when someone will outshine you. Might as well avoid uselessly making enemies out of misplaced arrogance. Just out of curiosity, any reason why you left that part out? (EDIT: Oh wait, I might have added it while you were replying) You never know when someone will outshine you. Might as well avoid uselessly making enemies out of misplaced arrogance. I'm asking because it is key to the message I was conveying, in the sense that you actually shouldn't bully the weak, as they may grow …
/r/seduction11/07/17 07:33 PM
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Here's my take on this. To me, the term alpha doesn't absolutely equates "pure dominance". It equates that you're above your pack. However, it states nothing about what puts you above them. Sure, dominance, to a certain degree, has a role to play in this. But I like to see that as power: the best display of power is knowing when not to exert said power. Or, in short, less is more. A few elements from that list state that the typical alpha doesn't help the weak, and is a bully. And some are. To m…
/r/seduction11/07/17 07:26 PM
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Matter of interpretation, I suppose, indeed. But I won't deny that many make those mistakes, that's for sure.
/r/seduction11/07/17 07:17 PM
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Should've been named "Mistakes jerks make" instead. My definition of what an "alpha" would be takes into consideration most of these mistakes. Can't speak for the rest of seddit, however. They think in black and white and false dichotomies constantly It's funny that you should mention that as the tone of this list seems to deal in absolutes. The pot's calling the kettle black there, I believe.
/r/seduction11/07/17 06:53 PM
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Nailing people, just not quite how you want to, is a high starting point. Y'know, the only person you wanna out-do is yourself.
/r/seduction11/07/17 06:15 PM
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is that i've been told to meet up within a week max after talking to someone. Would you agree with that idea? It's kinda subjective what girls seem to prefer there... That part is, indeed, quite subjective. Thing is, however, that it will become harder to create initial attraction as time goes on, unless you disappear and reappear after a while. And even that is not a sure-fire way to "reset" things. Lastly, what is your motivation to actively help people on this sub? Have you mastered the game …
/r/seduction11/07/17 05:58 PM
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Can't think of any on top of my head (I'm at work, won't google for that from here for obvious reasons), but anything that would show you about the deep spot (not the G spot, the deep spot) would be a good start.
/r/seduction11/07/17 05:51 PM
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I was talking about the tone, the demeanor. Those all have to be congruent. If you started off as shy-ish, that one will come off as creepy. However, if you went in with confidence right from the start, and that this wasn't the first tease you made (ie: if you established yourself as someone who likes to mess around), it'll go much smoother. Here's an hypothetical example from a face-to-face scenario: Her: You're quite cheeky for someone that small. How tall are you anyway? Him: A huge 5'4... an…
/r/seduction11/07/17 05:20 PM
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As lolpz said, "Hey, don't worry, I'm big where it counts." Keep in mind that HOW you say it will make or break that one.
/r/seduction11/07/17 05:12 PM
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Though my experience when not being easy is that we both end up ignoring each other. I'm not saying to play hard-to-get, but rather to tease in that sense. And that's just one way of doing it. The thing here is to get her to react, to push her emotional buttons playfully. She expects praise from the nudes. If you react differently than expected, this will catch her by surprise and will get her to attempt to qualify herself further. Then you can give her just a tad bit of a compliment, but you fo…
/r/seduction11/07/17 05:07 PM
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Shortie killed it. And by it, I mean "any chance he had". Insecurity poured out like water out of a faucet the moment he questioned that question. He could've either: said it without any big deal joked about it made it sexual
/r/seduction11/07/17 04:49 PM
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I rest my case.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:44 PM
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To you, it doesn't. To others, it decribes a phenomenon that happens, regardless of your opinion of it. Whether you believe it's right or wrong, whether you like it or not, people categorize people. It happens.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:36 PM
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Boring, but still compelled to reply.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:35 PM
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Oh you do, I'm not denying that at all. I'm just pointing out inconsistencies in your excuses.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:35 PM
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People have used hammers to murder people in the past. Therefore, hammers are bad solely because of that. See how senseless that is?
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:34 PM
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But if it was boring... wouldn't you just not answer at all?
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:32 PM
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That explains why you're so attached to this theory, and why you defend it so vehemently. But keep this in mind: disagreeing with that is NOT an attack on her. You gotta stop seeing it that way. You're not "defending her honor" in any way doing that.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:31 PM
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That's probably why your replies were so quick to come in.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:29 PM
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Again, let's agree to disagree on that.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:26 PM
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Nice dodging. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I'll agree to disagree whether you like it or not. (inb4 "ur stil rong!!!")
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:24 PM
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That's a very poor analogy. The n-word directly points a specific race. The word friendzone points to a concept (that you personally do not like). If anything, it indirectly points to social dynamics between genders. YOU see it as shameful. That's an opinion, not a fact.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:23 PM
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"In great detail"? You just repeat the same thing over and over. Is that what "great detail" means to you?
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:17 PM
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I like how you state your opinions as facts, when they merely are opinions. Who are you to dictate what's right and what's wrong? The moral police? I also like how you refuse to agree to disagree.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:16 PM
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In your mind, it does. Not in anyone else's. It's just a fact of life that people categorize people. No shame in that whatsoever unless you want shame to be there.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:16 PM
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Have you never heard guys talk about being friend zoned and blaming the girl for it? No, I've heard of people not being able to take blame. Which is the real issue. The term is NOT the issue. They think something is wrong with her for not wanting them. Again, an issue with THEM, not with a woman choosing to go for what she likes. People have used it enough in a shaming way and that's why it is a bad term to use. Says who? You? Plus there is no such thing as a friend Zone. But there is: when you …
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:12 PM
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I'd like you to explain why instead of just repeating the same thing like a broken record.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:09 PM
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Then the issue is with the GUY, not the term. I've been friendzoned before, and I never shamed anyone for it. I knew it was because she wasn't attracted to me, which she's entirely entitled to.
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:09 PM
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It still implies the shaming It only does in your mind. There's no shame whatsoever in a woman going for what she is attracted. No reason why women shouldn't have their own tastes in men. None. No reason to shame her. And if you will argue that "it still happens", blame the damn people who shame rather than your own arbitrary and convenient interpretation of the term. The term only means that the man has been classified as a non-sexual interest. Why would that be shameful to women? Because the w…
/r/seduction11/07/17 03:03 PM
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Nobody is putting you in a zone. Okay... The person wants to be your friend and isn't into you sexually. ...which is her categorizing you as a friend. That's exactly what "putting someone in the friendzone" means. It's not a patriarcal device as you tried to portray: it simply means that a woman doesn't view you as a sexual interest. Which is nothing to shame a woman about.
/r/seduction11/07/17 02:56 PM
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To be fair, you can choose to remain friends. The choice's all yours. So in that sense, you don't get forcibly "put" there. However, you indeed get categorized as friend-only material. This is what the friendzone is; it has to do with how a woman categorizes you. And she has every right to do that.
/r/seduction11/07/17 02:54 PM
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So a term that applies to men specifically is used to "shame women"? That's a stretch. If anything, the friendzone shames men. And that shaming would come from other immature men. Why would women be shamed for going for what they're attracted to? No reason at all. The problem is not the term; the problem is with those who can't take rejection properly. And that's not for woman to deal with, nor to be shamed about. But yes, there is such a thing. And it's not a device created by "the patriarchy" …
/r/seduction11/07/17 02:43 PM
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Except this isn't trp. It's seddit.
/r/seduction11/07/17 02:34 PM
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Complicated from a "cold logic" standpoint, yes. From an emotional intelligence standpoint, which WILL defy cold logic, it's quite simple to understand. As it's been stated before, study their actions, not their words.
/r/seduction11/07/17 02:10 PM
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I wanted her addicted to the love I provided her I believe you completely misunderstand how it works at all. She doesn't get addicted to "love" you give her. If anything's gonna keep her hooked, it's assertiveness along with playfulness. Validating someone isn't playfulness, nor is it assertive. so if i dont validate, i just wouldnt get them chasing me. Correction: by validating them, you don't get them to chase you at all, as they know they got you. They just keep you as an orbiter, but nothing…
/r/seduction11/07/17 02:05 PM
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"I'll make you happy again. Whenever you're sad just talk to me okay?" You just labeled yourself as her emotional tampon right there. Nothing assertive about that, all neediness. "Why am I trying to chase someone..." More neediness shown right there. Let me tell you, that quote right below... "She thought I was joking each time I called her babe." ...isn't true. She liked it. However, you've shown yourself as needy, so any attraction built at any point vanished. Keep that in mind for next time: …
/r/seduction11/07/17 01:24 PM
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Get yourself back in the game. Give yourself a kick in the ass and approach even if you got the jitters. It'll come back much faster than you think.
/r/seduction11/07/17 01:10 PM
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Upvotes for all cool comments. Then prepare to downvote. Mine's not gonna be cool one bit. validated her alot There's your problem. If she wanted the D, meeting up wouldn't be a problem. Right now, she only wants attention, you're providing it. Why should she give you anything more?
/r/seduction11/07/17 01:03 PM
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And that's what gets the "it feels like I've known you forever" line out, which is a sure-fire indicator of comfort. A man that relates almost feels like an emotional mind-reader to them, which absolutely raises your stock in their eyes. Had one who was litterally asking me in a transfixed state "Who. ARE. You? And how come you know so much about me?" while in my arms. She literally became putty in my hands from that point on. Listening and relating are powerful weapons indeed.
/r/seduction10/07/17 05:50 PM
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Hope you learned from this insightful experience.
/r/seduction10/07/17 05:46 PM
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your arms over her shoulders to show dominance Now that sounds like the ridiculous stuff red pillers worry about all the time (ie: mah gurl is AMOGing me on the street by walking in front of me!!! halp!!!). Your arm placement says nothing about dominance or neediness. Nothing. How you behave in general will make or break it. Not something as insignificant as that! Go for what you personally prefer instead.
/r/seduction10/07/17 05:44 PM
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Is it really a matter of mental blocks? Or a matter of taking you for granted? Perhaps he needs a wake-up call.
/r/seduction10/07/17 05:35 PM
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Nevermind the daughters, go for the cougar.
/r/seduction10/07/17 03:14 PM
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Shill made to look like it isn't. Too much of this shit on this sub...
/r/seduction10/07/17 03:09 PM
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tl;dr: Do not stick your dick in crazy.
/r/seduction10/07/17 02:47 PM
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It's not what you say, it's how it's said. Plus, calibration is your best friend. Always try just a notch over what she does, and see if she ups the ante. If she does, then take it a notch higher yourself. If she doesn't, then you probably found her peak. If you go more than just up a notch, then it may kill the mood, so you may want to lower it down a bit. Again, calibration is key.
/r/seduction10/07/17 02:45 PM
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Never bring that up. This will make you look needy and will kill anything that could've been built up to this point. Just act as if this was no big deal, as if you didn't care. Matter of fact, you shouldn't even care. As previously stated, flakes happen. They shouldn't be rewarded with attention. Moving on is the way to go if someone flakes you. And if you run into them, simply be your normal self without bringing it up. Her flaking shouldn't affect you.
/r/seduction10/07/17 02:39 PM
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nobody else is telling you to just go practice the skill of talking to women over and over again Hate to say it, but I see tons of posts saying "FFS GUIZE PLZ APPROACH!", so I wouldn't say that "nobody else" is preaching that. It's just that since it's the difficult part, people try to find shortcuts to avoid that, when in reality, there's no avoiding it at all.
/r/seduction10/07/17 02:37 PM
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Not to mention the money from the book sales themselves. Seems like he believes he can have his cake, eat it too, and pay for none of it.
/r/seduction10/07/17 12:43 PM
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Depends. Did you make any promises to any of them? No? Then you don't owe any of them anything. Those who create drama over that, just shut them out. They wouldn't hesitate if they had the opportunity to have more than one prospect. Why would you?
/r/seduction07/07/17 08:31 PM
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You can't have a durable, high quality solution by using shortcuts. You may not like the prospects of talking to other girls, but that has been proven to work.
/r/seduction07/07/17 08:27 PM
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You agreed to hang out, which is platonic. Nah, that has ASD written all over it. And it was handled properly.
/r/seduction07/07/17 08:08 PM
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Went there for the FB comments, should've brought popcorn...
/r/seduction07/07/17 08:02 PM
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You don't make a big deal out of it, but you set another time and place. Don't ask for permission. If you see that she has another excuse and doesn't reconvene on the spot, she'll flake, and that should be a next. And your prerogative is exactly why I never told people until the deed was done. But truth be told, if you get flaked on, it's not your fault. Just tell them she flaked you without making a big deal out of it. Doesn't mean you can't replace what you planned by another activity if going…
/r/seduction07/07/17 06:29 PM
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Here's the thing: you COULD send her a text and risk killing it off for good. It could happen, it could not happen. I'd personally put my money on the text killing off what you had. Or, you could simply do your thing without worrying, and she could come back and say "hey, haven't heard from you in a while". It could happen, it could not happen. My money's on her coming back to you. But flakes do happen. Try not to focus on only one girl, that will hurt you in the long run.
/r/seduction07/07/17 06:13 PM
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I was thinking about sending a text at 3 saying "I'm making other plans if I don't hear back in a couple hours." That won't change anything. If her plan was to flake, she'll flake regardless of that message. Plus, that will communicate neediness if you do that. Next her. Don't overthink it.
/r/seduction07/07/17 06:02 PM
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Did I mention I love positive stuff like this being posted? :D I can certainly echo the sentiment of that post, and about 90% of the path that you took. Plus, the subject matter itself is something I found really fascinating (I love figuring out how things work in general), so I was very open to the idea of applying something that I had this much of an interest for. The mindsets I adopted (abundance, not-a-victim, just go get what you want) in relation to pickup served me wonderfully in all aspe…
/r/seduction07/07/17 05:29 PM
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Great example as to why calibration is important in all aspects of game. Upvoted. Would upvote again.
/r/seduction07/07/17 05:21 PM
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Commenting as I'm reading, so bare with me. 32 year old loser First piece of advice: no matter how bad a situation is, NEVER put yourself down. I have a feeling this will end up being your core problem, for some reason. I'm now 32 years old and never had a girlfriend, never kissed a girl or hold hands. I do not have any friends, no family and lived in complete social isolation for more then 10 years. Basicly: A prisoner in isolation has more social interactions with the guards than I have while …
/r/seduction07/07/17 04:03 PM
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Well she did reveal a bit of info: she said guys used her for sex "all the time". And if your recollection of the story is correct, she seems to throw herself into sex, hoping it would lead somewhere. The thing here is that it takes two to tango. If you didn't promise or imply anything about a relationship, then you did not lead her, especially considering she made most of the moves, according to your recollection. Seems like she has a lot of stuff to sort out, and that's something nobody but he…
/r/seduction07/07/17 03:08 PM
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I will be as blunt as they come: Years ago, I was sick and tired of laying fatties. I was lowering my standards just so I could get some. Then I wondered about the typical cliché: why in the world would worse-looking people than myself get the hottie? What did I do wrong? So I went on the internet to look it up, since the internet knows everything of course. :) First e-book I found was "How to become an alpha male", by John Alexander. Basic, even sometimes crude 1st gen material, but enough to m…
/r/seduction07/07/17 02:55 PM
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Don't ask. You don't have to babysit her on her morals or lack thereof. If she mentions it, it could be a good spot to tease on sexually if she seems into it. You're not there to be her moral compass, so that aspect should be of no concern to you whatsoever.
/r/seduction07/07/17 02:39 PM
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That's for her to manage, not you.
/r/seduction07/07/17 02:25 PM
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Here's the problem I have with Tinder: how people use it. The analogy about Tinder that I like the most is if you compare that to someone who wants to gain muscle solely by taking supplements like protein powder, creatine, BCAAs (or perhaps to a more extreme level, anabolic steroids), and without eating right or training properly. Taking all the supplements in the world will hinder you more than it'll do any good if you don't get the basics down, and more importantly DONE. However, if you get th…
/r/seduction07/07/17 01:32 PM
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The non methodical way I like that! People more often than not believe seduction is a science. I'd rather say it's an art. You can give it your own flavor, provided that you know and are comfortable with yourself enough. This is why step-by-step guides by themselves don't work for a number of people. They don't put "themselves" into the mix, and it remains boring, it tastes bland. You're the flavor of that meal, don't forget that!
/r/seduction07/07/17 01:17 PM
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One becomes less needy by shifting where they sate their hunger for validation. Needy people will seek it from others. Their focus will be on external validation. Confident people will be sated by their own self-validation, and won't require any from an external source. Their focus will be on internal validation. Examples of external validation focus: being a people pleaser, caring about what "that one girl" thinks of you, caring about what women in general think of you, caring about what people…
/r/seduction07/07/17 01:07 PM
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Well here's the thing: there may be an overlap FOR people who are unfortunate enough to suffer from AS. And in that specific case, it's a real sad state of affairs indeed. Now I don't have a lot of people suffering from this sort of aliment within my entourage, so I won't talk out of my ass and state "factually" whether it is possible or not, as I simply don't know. I'll simply go for what I believe. However, I will most definitely not discredit those who claim it is actually possible. I suspect…
/r/seduction07/07/17 12:45 PM
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Shows how deep some insecurities could be. Banter is good for people with a certain level of self-confidence. But for people with lower levels of confidence, a more low-key approach would be suitable. Listen to her, react to what she says. If you tease, tease lightly and follow it up with something to make her feel good. Find ways to have her feel that she can relate to you. Emotional engagement on her part is key. Imagery tends to work wonders with people like that. As in, describing potential …
/r/seduction06/07/17 08:47 PM
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Sidekicks, huh? Good point.
/r/seduction06/07/17 08:15 PM
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Depends on the point of view you take. From the eyes of the rest of the world in general: nothing, they won't give a fuck. From the eyes of women: not their type at all. From the eyes of other males: nothing they will bother with. From their own eyes: they are their own worst enemy.
/r/seduction06/07/17 06:13 PM
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WHEN YOU LISTEN TO HER: DO NOT OFFER SOLUTIONS TO HER PROBLEMS. SHE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SOLVE THEM. SHE JUST WANTS YOU TO LISTEN. This a freakin' million times!
/r/seduction06/07/17 05:33 PM
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But... This struggle motivated me to take action more than ever. Ahh, the fighting spirit. Refusing to go down without a fight. That's how it all started for my own road to recovery years ago. Kudos to you, brother!
/r/seduction06/07/17 05:30 PM
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That's my opinion, nothing more. Nowhere in this does it say that you're wrong. That's your conclusion. And nowhere does that imply that only my opinion is the right one.
/r/seduction06/07/17 04:31 PM
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I have no problem agreeing to disagree on philosophies as there's a reason why you believe in yours. However, as for your last line, I said no such lie. I gave my take, like you did yours. Never even remotely claimed it was the be-all-end-all of everything. Was it a disagreement in philosophies? Sure. Did I explicitly said he shouldn't do yours? Not moreso than you did, which means no.
/r/seduction06/07/17 04:26 PM
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Are you female? I'm a male. I don't see the rationale of you bringing that up. I disagree with everything you've just said, so be good to see whether you're male. That's you, and only you. I'd like you to explain why this worked well for me, then. And please, don't use the "YOU LIE" copout. Pretty please. "How you doin?" Literally the most sigh thing any guy ever says to me. Just boring and makes me think they don't have anything else to say. First, you're your own individual, and you do not spe…
/r/seduction06/07/17 04:09 PM
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Could it be because you're more focused on "playing" the confident guy rather than taking care of the confidence issue altogether?
/r/seduction06/07/17 03:38 PM
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Indeed, empathy is a powerful tool when used with the proper timing. That allows you to bring up the positive emotional experience required to build comfort and attraction.
/r/seduction06/07/17 03:36 PM
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pretty please I'd take that out of the equation. Even if in jest. Plus, the number should wait until a bit of comfort is built. Better safe than sorry. So yeah, "Hey there, you're cute and you seem cool, so I wanted to talk to ya. How you doin?". From there, it shouldn't be too hard to get the digits quickly, provided you keep the interaction fun for all involved.
/r/seduction06/07/17 03:32 PM
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So I'm thinking either I'm incredibly hideous You need to get rid of that mindset, on the double! What you described were indicators of interest straight up! They LIKE how you look, especially if one of those women smiled at you. If you looked hideous, they wouldn't behave like that. No, not even out of pity.
/r/seduction06/07/17 03:25 PM
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You don't ask a deer to teach you how to hunt.
/r/seduction06/07/17 02:02 PM
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there's a reason a 10/10 is on a dating site. And ironically enough, the site won't do her any favors. But I get the overall message that's conveyed: she has a right to have high standards, and indeed she does. We also have a right to be unwilling to put up with all of this. After all, it's one human being among billions.
/r/seduction06/07/17 02:01 PM
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Whoa hold on, let's put the breaks for a second here. This is everyday life for the socially challenged and/or Aspergians. Let's keep that in mind for later. This kind of guy is not popular with women. It is a simple concept to understand. You know who these guys are. They're the guy in the corner that rarely speaks and just doesn't connect with others. Are you confusing shyness with Asperger's syndrome? Those come from very different places respectively. One can be conquered, and the other is a…
/r/seduction06/07/17 01:46 PM
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We all want validation. We all do. However, what distinguishes confident people from not-so-confident people is where they look for it. Confident people only need it from themselves. Not-so-confident people will look for it from others. Ironically enough, those who find it within themselves will end up getting it from others as well, even though they don't need that. Those looking for it from others will attempt to conform in order to get it, and will seldom get what they want. That is the basic…
/r/seduction06/07/17 01:36 PM
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No reason why it wouldn't be.
/r/seduction05/07/17 05:15 PM
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It's not something you have control over, and therefore is not something you should dwell over.
/r/seduction05/07/17 05:11 PM
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That's not extreme shit testing; that's batshit insanity. Drop that fast. You want nobody like that in your life, whether that be for a fling or otherwise.
/r/seduction05/07/17 03:33 PM
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What do you do when other guys hit on your girl? I let her handle it. If you've already got a solid frame, she'll reject THEM because she has no reason to leave yours. If you don't, then you're in danger, which leads to the next point. And of course, what are things you SHOULDN'T do? Act defensive. This reeks of insecurity and will drive the girl away. If she goes with the other guy, it's your own damn fault for not making the frame solid enough. Also, let's say you're physically weak - and some…
/r/seduction04/07/17 03:43 PM
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Outcome dependance has been defeated. upandup123 gained a level!
/r/seduction04/07/17 02:28 PM
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Even the most “independent woman” like to be lead. They love it the most. Especially those in position of authority at work. It gives them a break, it makes them let go, it relieves them of responsibility as they have to manage their own goddamn responsibilities all day long at work. Boss ladies don't want to be the boss at home, as it's awfully draining.
/r/seduction04/07/17 02:25 PM
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What is true abundance mentality ? Knowing that there are many opportunities out there for the taking, and not worrying if one of those doesn't go as planned. Isn't the very act of going out trying to meet/talk to women implies that i'm not abundant? No, it implies that you go for those opportunities that are out there. If i'm truly abundant person why do i even need to approach/talk with women? The question implies a profound misunderstanding of the concept. Plus, there's this fallacy that peop…
/r/seduction04/07/17 02:19 PM
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Your reaction and level of comfort with the situation will influence hers. Going in improv mode helps a lot with that.
/r/seduction04/07/17 02:13 PM
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Needs more Rock.
/r/seduction04/07/17 02:11 PM
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Define maturity.
/r/seduction04/07/17 01:54 PM
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You can't do much about what you can't control, but you can control how you react to that. Best course of action would be to do your thing as usual, and don't let her bother you. But of course, if she makes things awkward for you, and there's no resolving this through words, don't hesitate to use all remedies at your disposal. You didn't create this problem, that's what you have to keep in mind.
/r/seduction04/07/17 01:37 PM
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Well the problem I see with this approach is that what you're putting forth is not yourself, but rather what you can provide. And since you're putting that on the forefront, guess what she'll see first and foremost. If you're okay playing the sugar daddy role, that's fine. But if that wasn't the goal, you may want to reconsider your idea.
/r/seduction04/07/17 01:26 PM
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I can't really agree with this genes thing being the be-all-end-all of it all. That's way too simplistic of an explanation for something with as many variables involed as human interactions. However, what you described is true: the first impression is paramount. If you fuck that up, might as well move on.
/r/seduction04/07/17 01:17 PM
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Can anyone say stalker?
/r/seduction01/07/17 04:38 PM
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I think I'm in my head too much. That could be what's hindering you. Look, I'm not gonna preach my shit to you. But that last line on your original comment from this thread seemed like an expression of disappointment for you as well, so I thought I'd bring that stuff up. You don't need to put on a show, you make her pleasure a show for YOU to enjoy. There are perhaps other ways than what I mentionned to get that done. Just look it up before you knock it down.
/r/seduction30/06/17 08:24 PM
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Who said anything about calling a circus? You can have fun with her with more than just your dick. Deep spot stimulation is better achieved with fingers, and it's a litteral NUKE for quite a few ladies.
/r/seduction30/06/17 08:17 PM
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No need to be brutal. Just do your thing to your heart's content, but make sure she gets off like crazy.
/r/seduction30/06/17 08:12 PM
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The only problem is that you'll then have to spank her and tie her, which I personally think is pretty gay but whatever. How the hell is that either a problem or gay? If they like that shit, give it to them and make them remember it for the rest of their days. They'll be grateful!
/r/seduction30/06/17 08:07 PM
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I believe tone plays a HUGE role in it. As it's been stated quite a few times, it's not as much what you say than it is how you say it. Without context, sure, that line seems quite arrogant. With context, it could be a part of banter exchange between the two.
/r/seduction30/06/17 08:03 PM
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Step 5: Disappoint her in bed and disappear forever Here's a POV shift for that: view her pleasure as a show, as something entertaining. View this as a game, a challenge, just to see how far you can take her. Find cheats for that game, exploits, so she may get off even more intensely. Use those to litterally blow away her limits and leave her breathless. In most cases, women express their gratitude for that in the raunchiest of ways. Win-win! There are a lot of guides out there which highlight a…
/r/seduction30/06/17 07:59 PM
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There's an underlying problem that needs to be addressed by a mental health professional. And that should be a priority before even thinking about your sex life. The sex life issues are just a part of the pile, they're not the entire issue. Your mind's not at the right place if you're contemplating suicide. Take the required time to take care of yourself.
/r/seduction30/06/17 07:38 PM
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But do not be surprised if you end up on the receiving end of that too. Just sayin'.
/r/seduction30/06/17 07:35 PM
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Not any differently than usual. Pickup is not mind control, so if she wants to leave the guy, her mind is most likely made up already. It's still a matter of raising the temperature high enough by creating attraction and demonstrating sexual intent throughout it all. Make her imagine the scene, drop innuendos, escalate both on these and kino. The basic methodology doesn't change, really.
/r/seduction30/06/17 07:18 PM
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One thing to keep in mind: if she has no qualms doing this to her current boyfriend, she won't have any doing this to you.
/r/seduction30/06/17 06:47 PM
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Can't find anything bad to say about that one. Go get 'em!
/r/seduction30/06/17 06:34 PM
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Could have, like it could've not. However, judging by her behavior, looks like she may have an issue with that. But if she's not willing to tell you, you'll just be left in the dark. Either way, that situation's a lot of trouble.
/r/seduction30/06/17 04:16 PM
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I should not confess I love her before having sex? Precisely. Before I got off my butt to figure out what's going on, every time flings went to shit was because of that. One thing to add was that I was confusing love with lust, so that complicated shit a loooooot more as well. And yes, since you told her you love her, she's trying to make that (or to some extent, you) go away because she's uneasy with this.
/r/seduction30/06/17 04:07 PM
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The "such bad advice" was simply quoting what he always says when he disagrees with something. But yeah!
/r/seduction30/06/17 04:04 PM
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I told her I'm in love with her but she said our age gap is too big and we should just be friends. Now we're onto something. One thing I learned: you don't confess love before you let it happen between you and the other person. And even then, a man confessing this, in my experience, will scare the woman away. She knows you have feels for her and she tries to chase them away however she figures out she can. Some people will be upfront about it, some people will be sneaky about it. She doesn't see…
/r/seduction30/06/17 03:50 PM
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Let me ask you: why does it matter if the theory is true or not? If she's giving you that cold of a treatment, and if you can't have an honest talk with her, I'd say she most likely isn't worth the sex. You're giving her way too much importance for what she gives you in return. And that's making you feel like shit.
/r/seduction30/06/17 03:41 PM
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Very, very hard to tell. I personally wouldn't assume hatred until it's clearly manifested. But if I was you, I'd have a honest talk with her, just to know where to stand. Nothing aggressive, just with intent of crossing T's and dotting i's. And if she'd flip out on me, then I'd know it's time to move on.
/r/seduction30/06/17 03:14 PM
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Oh I'm not judging, just telling what I see. I'm aware I come across as harsh at times, but I'd rather just get to the point. As for that party, it really depends on how she perceived that "friendzoning". Did it affect her, or did she not care right from the get-go? I wouldn't go for pushing her away, but rather don't be fazed by her or her reactions. Interact with intent, but don't be outcome dependant. I know, it contradicts the fact that you caught dem feels for her, but that's the price we p…
/r/seduction30/06/17 03:09 PM
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Then I guess the question is: is the sex worth the trouble she gives you? The answer to this assessment should give you an good indication of the best course of action.
/r/seduction30/06/17 03:02 PM
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Well, as I said, you need to be free from the influence of others' validation. Manson's "The subtle art of not giving a fuck" would be a great bedside book for a while, I believe.
/r/seduction30/06/17 02:57 PM
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Did you really friendzone her, or did you pretend-friendzone her? Here's what tipped me off: but this girl is different Sounds like oneitis waiting to happen.
/r/seduction30/06/17 02:54 PM
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If she has interest, then why would she have a hidden plan to embarrass you? But either way, that's stuff you should flat out ignore, just so she gets the memo that you've above that petty bullshit. 100$ question: are you still interested in her?
/r/seduction30/06/17 02:45 PM
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the truth Hmm, "the truth". Yeah, one guy among 7 billions has THE truth. what I am doing is Playing with the heart and mind of the girls that are in my bed That has nothing to do with learning how men & women dynamics work. That has everything to do with your intent. I know you consider yourself a PUA and dream of sleeping with multiple women and being loved by them No, I just wanted to be savvy in that art should I ever need it. And it paid well as I'm happily in a long-term relationship. Psyc…
/r/seduction30/06/17 02:13 PM
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Most people I know get attraction due to being good looking but I don't have that luxury Well in reality, good looks will ease the approach part up. But in terms of creating attraction, if you're as boring as a rock, good looks won't save you most of the time. Being able to keep it fun and tickle the woman emotionally is the basis of it all, once initial contact has been made. One piece of advice that comes often, that I personally took, and that is actually very good is taking improv classes, j…
/r/seduction30/06/17 01:57 PM
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I'm a super people pleaser, and get nervous talking to people out of fear of not being liked. You crave validation, and get nervous at the slightest risk of not getting it. What do you do? You work on yourself so validation isn't as much of a drug to you as it currently is. That needs to be taken care of way before you think about approaching.
/r/seduction30/06/17 01:46 PM
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and if I wanted we could kiss If you wanted. Which you didn't. "But I don't wanna." slightly possesive and overwhelming The description following that line makes it sounds much, much more than "slightly". Let me tell ya, for your sake, you need to put a stop to that, and fast. I just feel like having a negative, obsessive companion like her is hurting my confidence, and I guess it would be nice to have some advice on how to handle manipulative people who inhibit growth, both in life and seductio…
/r/seduction30/06/17 01:40 PM
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A shit test comes from a place of interest. To see how you would react. That doesn't sound like something that comes from a place of interest. And even if it was, is she someone you wish to fuck once more? Don't let women dictate how you should feel. Those are only words coming out of her mouth.
/r/seduction30/06/17 01:33 PM
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Doesn't sound like a shit test, but rather insecurity from her part. No need to dwell over someone like that.
/r/seduction30/06/17 01:26 PM
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You can't 'create' attraction I have to wonder why you keep on bringing this point constantly when most people will disagree with it.
/r/seduction30/06/17 01:19 PM
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Woujo said That's one guy. Woujo =/= Seddit. And as stated below: Well that is one person's set of beliefs This a thousand times. Not discrediting the guy, but he seems excessively protective of his set of beliefs to a point where he'll discredit anything (ie: "such bad advice") that doesn't align 100% with it. And I personally don't trust people who believe in absolutes.
/r/seduction30/06/17 01:14 PM
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Pretty much. That covers the basic concepts quite well. A good understanding of those usually answers the most frequently asked questions.
/r/seduction30/06/17 12:30 PM
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Ohh! That! Well yes, of course!
/r/seduction30/06/17 12:26 PM
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And a lot of these sites also come with shills, discredit all common wisdom that's been proven to work so they can get suckers to purchase their stuff. As for your last line, it's a matter of semantics, really. Creating attraction is pretty much putting the "fun" you on display seamlessly. It's also being the right "kind" of fun. Take Craig Ferguson, for example. He wasn't content with using his status with the female guests on his show. He went out of his way to ensure the experience was bucket…
/r/seduction30/06/17 12:20 PM
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The bar that's on the right side of the main subreddit page. With a bunch of links nobody reads (but definitely should).
/r/seduction29/06/17 09:41 PM
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I vehemently disagree. And creating attraction is a matter of taking her on a roller coaster ride from an emotional standpoint (excluding downright negative emotions). Playfully teasing, using her imagination via imagery (ex: using "we" in examples portraying something pleasant), shifting the mood of the conversation to a sexual mood, just to name a few examples, can be used to create attraction. But one thing to keep in mind while doing this is that what you do is never more important than how …
/r/seduction29/06/17 09:38 PM
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Depends on how it all came to be. Since we don't have context on that matter, it's hard to tell. Was she forward about it? Not so much? You should try replicating that. Had a few situations in which the woman was straight up about it, and was very, very intense in how she talked about it. So as soon as I got to her place, no wasted words, we had our hands all over one another the moment the door got closed and it went as smooth as a knife through butter. Other cases took a bit more time simply b…
/r/seduction29/06/17 07:25 PM
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She probably is hurrying to somewhere, has things to do. How would you know? You read minds or something? And more importantly, even if she has things to do, how does this necessarily translates to "I don't have time to talk"? That's you rationalizing not approaching. If she really doesn't have time, she'll tell you, and you remain classy about it. No big deal.
/r/seduction29/06/17 07:20 PM
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it doesn't make sense to just "guess" a time when they're free That's you rationalizing the whole thing. It does make sense, as you maintain frame this way. Leaving it in her court is not maintaining frame, and kills any show of abundance. If she wants to, she'll agree. If she can't, she'll make efforts to reconvene. If she didn't want, she'll send you some excuse and make a point NOT to reconvene. we could go back and forth for hours guesing Again, you rationalizing. I haven't gone back and for…
/r/seduction29/06/17 06:40 PM
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Well the initial approach methodology doesn't change (approach her to have fun, be confident, tickle her emotionally, create attraction, etc.), with the exception that if you only keep one in mind, you only get one shot. And in this scenario, there isn't a surefire way to get it done. You gotta try, and come to terms with the possibility that it could fail. This is why pickup is mostly a numbers game, and this is why oneitis is seen as an hinderance by us. But you gotta live through your own exp…
/r/seduction29/06/17 06:27 PM
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Well, those who dare looking outside the box will realize that. I just wish everyone had that predisposition.
/r/seduction29/06/17 06:18 PM
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Look, I won't be judgmental, except on one thing: did you read all the stuff that's on the sidebar? Given the small amount of info you gave, I'll assume you did not. Read ALL of that stuff. All of it. I'm sure you think reading is boring, but you need to learn, and all the basic stuff you need to know is there. But humor me, young one. umm for years i've been wanting to fuck a girl You've been wanting this for years, yet you're 15. How much is "for years"? I just don't remember being that precoc…
/r/seduction29/06/17 06:14 PM
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Well before being men or women, we're humans. And any human claiming they're 100% secure 100% of the time is a solid candidate to the "world's biggest liar" award. So it's not surprising at all, to be honest. Men and women are both nervous. Just not about the same things specifically.
/r/seduction29/06/17 05:58 PM
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just the one That concept is quite utopic, and hopefully you don't see it the same way Hollywood wants you to believe it. I'm not saying LTRs are impossible. I'm in one right now, and we're doing pretty good I must say. But chances are it won't be with "that one person" you aim at.
/r/seduction29/06/17 05:53 PM
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It won't get them all, but the number could surprise you.
/r/seduction29/06/17 04:53 PM
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Keep in mind that this aspect of BDSM, for most, is a game. Now here's the 100$ question: is it of any interest to you? If so, you could tell her you didn't have the opportunity to explore that yet, but that you'd love to. As for the "master" demeanor, that's for when things get freaky. Other than that, those women want a man, so play it smooth, bring that into the conversation so you can learn what makes her tick, and once you guys are going at it, implement the demeanor progressively. Playful/…
/r/seduction29/06/17 04:23 PM
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Pleasure's all mine, buddy!
/r/seduction29/06/17 03:54 PM
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Slaps Elaborate, plz? I'm very curious.
/r/seduction29/06/17 03:45 PM
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I ask a lot of people for input and they suggest that I'm saying something wrong to these women to turn them off. I'd rather suggest that you don't create attraction. Platonic female friends tell me Don't ask women advice on dating women. You'll be misled. Every. Single. Time. that I should lower my standards Case in point. I honestly think that overall I am at least a 7 to 8/10 when taking into account physical attractiveness, career That only helps for the approach part. Which I don't think is…
/r/seduction29/06/17 03:43 PM
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Right now, you're facing this dilemna between these two: your career in a field a lot of people could only WISH they were into, and porking a hot chick who obviously wants the D. Question: do you see this as your last chance to nail a HB9 ever? Protip: you shouldn't see it that way. You only got one shot at your career. You still have plenty of time and shots at hot women.
/r/seduction29/06/17 03:02 PM
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Just to clarify why I believe the premise presented in this article is as flawed as it gets. The core of the argument is: "The solutions commonly presented to tackle social anxiety are presented by people who are NOT suffering from social anxiety, and therefore, cannot be correct as they come from an anxiety-free place." There are two fundamental flaws in that reasoning: Is there any evidence that this advice comes solely from people who never experienced social anxiety? Or is it just an assumpt…
/r/seduction29/06/17 02:45 PM
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Oh well!
/r/seduction29/06/17 02:21 PM
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You don't need to be fine with others' opinions per se. I'd say you need to detach yourself from those opinions. Some people like me, some people can't stand me. Even on this subreddit. Dare I say people who are somewhat influent on this sub. But if I were to let that stop me from doing or saying whatever I feel I should say, I wouldn't be doing much. I recognize their rights to their opinion of me, but it's for them to own, not me. Same goes for women. If that 9 has this preconceived idea about…
/r/seduction29/06/17 02:15 PM
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Hard to tell, IMO. As far as I go, that's stuff I've been inclined to do for as long as I can remember. I'd say research a bit on BDSM. Not the heavy stuff, but more on the mental aspect of it to better understand what makes those women tick, and then take action based on that information. Don't be afraid to "scare them off", the role of the sub that gets used for her partner's pleasure is a relief for them.
/r/seduction29/06/17 02:05 PM
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Nice use of "we" in there. :) Such an undervalued tool in a man's arsenal.
/r/seduction29/06/17 01:55 PM
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I would ask her to a drink but she is twice my age Let me be blunt: does she get your dick hard? If so, go for it. If not, then let it be. and I'm sure she just wants to cheat on her husband. That's HER prerogative, not yours. She came on to you, you did NOT go to her with the intent of making her cheat on her man. That's a decision SHE took. But I don't know how to come off smooth She drops innuendos? You may want to playfully upstage her innuendos, and see where it gets. If she was that upfron…
/r/seduction29/06/17 01:50 PM
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she asked "Which ones yours" That's a hell of an IOI right there. Next time you meet her, game on!
/r/seduction29/06/17 01:46 PM
2

You owe it even more to yourself for the fact that you took action when required. :)
/r/seduction29/06/17 01:42 PM
2

Not a problem. I'd rather be a straight shooter and not sugar coat. But I don't go into name-calling or blatant disrespect. That would serve no purpose. Again, glad if it helps.
/r/seduction29/06/17 01:17 PM
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Meh, typical shill. Aka: puts down everything else under the sun, claims only HE and HIS SYSTEM are the ultimate truth, special offer at the end, money-back guarantee, plz buy my shit.
/r/seduction28/06/17 06:01 PM
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their "advice" half the time are the first lessons you learned in your first couple months of pick-up. the other half of their "advice" is a rant against other pick-up salesmen. Boy, do some names come to mind right now. :>
/r/seduction28/06/17 03:09 PM
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How do you handle these kind of situations? I make sure that the very first part of your premise does NOT happen. This part, specifically: You are clearly more invested in her and just love everything about her. Sounds like oneitis to me. If you let another human being topple your own self and your priority, it means you have a mindset issue to fix. You, and your own well-being, are your top priority. As it should be for anyone, regardless of genders.
/r/seduction28/06/17 02:51 PM
1

do you have any routines Routines are gimmicks. Gimmicks can only take you so far. The proper mindset and attitude is what makes or breaks an interaction. My go-to example in terms of mindset and attitude is Craig Ferguson, when he hosted the late night show. It's easier to study how he gets to point A to point B than to explain it, I'd say. Look him up on youtube.
/r/seduction28/06/17 02:46 PM
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Don't bring it up until she does, if she ever texts you about it. And if she does, make no big deal about it. "Stupid app flunked on me, had to redo my profile." But chances are she won't notice until much later.
/r/seduction28/06/17 02:41 PM
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Textbook example of "less is more" right there. You can use that to your advantage IF you don't overdo it. Let me explain. If you tease her about her feeling/attraction, of all possible outcomes, two are most likely to happen: She will feel you're way too cocky about it, and it may kill whatever attraction she feels. She will feel you're at ease with her being attracted to you, and she'll ease up a lot more to escalation. If you guessed that the first outcome would most likely happen if you over…
/r/seduction28/06/17 02:37 PM
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Drop the alpha/beta narrative. That's frat boys talk. Allow yourself to fail, but also get yourself figuring out what caused the failure(s) so you can take action on those problems. Beating yourself over that won't help, nor will that "redeem" you in anyone's eyes. Quite the contrary, actually.
/r/seduction28/06/17 02:29 PM
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"You want to cuddle?" That killed you, right there. All in all I say that this was a waste of my time. It only is if you choose not to learn from that. If you get something out of it, it was no waste of time at all. Hope she texts me so I can GHOST her ass Why? Why the need for petty "revenge"? She didn't owe you anything. Next her and move on.
/r/seduction28/06/17 02:24 PM
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How would that be a problem? This is a natural reaction. That can easily be turned around if brought up, as long as you're not apologetic about it. "Well you enjoyed yourself a lot. That's a turn-on for me." Again, how you say it makes the difference. Don't be too sexually aggressive in the tone, but don't sound like you're ashamed of it. Treat it like it's no big deal, just a fun deal.
/r/seduction28/06/17 02:20 PM
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It's all about giving her a hell of a ride from an emotional/fun standpoint, so you can end up giving her the same kind of ride physically. Good looks / status will help with approaching and opening. Which is good, if your assets can help, don't hesitate to use them. However, if you can't keep it fun and emotionally investing for her, she'll most likely end up rejecting you.
/r/seduction28/06/17 02:09 PM
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You're attempting to look at an emotion-based game with logic. There won't be many things that will make sense at face value, let me tell you that. hence why I am probably getting confused because they are giving interest, but don't want to go further for whatever reason. That usually happens because you don't "tickle her enough emotionally" (via push-pull, or illiciting intense emotions on her end). Basically, you need to raise her temperature. You raise it up two notches, take it down one, rai…
/r/seduction28/06/17 02:05 PM
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That wasn't a shit test... that was a clear indicator of disinterest. Crystal clear, even. Shit tests come from a place of interest. Texting a smiley is not an IOI. Please read about shit tests on the sidebar.
/r/seduction28/06/17 01:16 PM
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I want to give a girls shit for not replying but don't want to give off a jealous vibe Do you even realize how nonsensical this sentence is? If your wish is to give a girl shit over not replying, this IS a manifestation of jealousy and insecurity. It's not a matter of how it looks, it's a matter of what it actually is. No alpha way of doing it, as this IS beta behavior.
/r/seduction27/06/17 03:12 PM
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One man's problem is another man's business, sadly. Whichever other subreddit pops out will get infested by shills at one point or another.
/r/seduction23/06/17 07:49 PM
3

Not just reddit. Reddit's just an easy outlet.
/r/seduction23/06/17 05:25 PM
1

Well, affirmations and self-hypnosis did help me out. Being consistent was key.
/r/seduction23/06/17 05:11 PM
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Well you still should not. There's a fine line between introspection and toxic self-criticism. One's objective and respectful of yourself. The other will drain you.
/r/seduction23/06/17 04:34 PM
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With a bit of time and work, above 7 easily. I'm no fortuneteller so I can't tell exactly where above, though. You're WAAAAAAYYYYY too harsh on yourself and self-conscious. If you don't tackle that early on, you'll hate yourself no matter the "score".
/r/seduction23/06/17 04:27 PM
2

Do you come here for advice or just to argue based on your own limitating beliefs? You can either give what we suggest a shot, or dismiss it entirely and remain at square 1. Your choice.
/r/seduction23/06/17 04:22 PM
1

Not just somewhat. The symbiosis between the two will yield the best results. I personally went keto, and it did wonders. You may want to check the /r/keto subreddit, and read on how it works to get a better understanding before you make a decision.
/r/seduction23/06/17 04:19 PM
1

Well here's the thing: looks will help a tad bit when it comes to approaching, but it won't be the be-all-end-all of it. Demeanor and attitude will be the game-changer beyond that step. No matter how much you're pissed about your face, it won't change because of that. It's counter-productive. You most likely don't want to read that, but you can only change how you react about your face. And if you stay angry, THAT will make you unattractive. Insecurity is by far less attractive than a face you'r…
/r/seduction23/06/17 04:15 PM
1

That will adjust with the weight loss. The chin will get better defined. As for acne, hate to say it, but time will do its work. However, eating more healthy will help reduce it a tad bit.
/r/seduction23/06/17 04:07 PM
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Okay, I've seen far, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar worse looks than that. Sure a tad wee bit chubby, but that's nothing work at the gym can't take care of. You're way too hard on yourself. Give yourself a break, and invest that energy working out instead. It'll be a great start. BTW, the friendzone has a LOT more to do with your demeanor than your face. Your face is irrelevant in that specific equation.
/r/seduction23/06/17 04:03 PM
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I'm not gonna be kind, as it would do you a huge disservice. I know what you are thinking: You are just 17! You have time for this! Okay... But I can't help myself No, you don't WANT to help yourself. You think you have a jam-packed schedule right now? Wait until you get 8+ hours of your day taken by demanding tasks. Something called work, and preferably a career. Those 8 hours a day won't take into account the extracurricular work you'll put on it in order to get better advancement and a better…
/r/seduction23/06/17 03:55 PM
3

But tell me... why would you even give doubters the time of day?
/r/seduction23/06/17 12:49 PM
1

And why would you specifically chase women with partners? Is there really a thrill in homewrecking?
/r/seduction23/06/17 12:35 PM
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Oh sure, the very first few lines definitely do. But that doesn't make it less of a shit test. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what a shit test is: testing a man's resolve, his beliefs, his purpose, to see if that would make the fit she thinks it would. Shit tests happen from a place of interest, not of disinterest. No matter the enunciated reason, they essentially come down to the same thing: test a man's behavior towards adversity. It's not a dig or a put down just because the S-word is in…
/r/seduction23/06/17 11:25 AM
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I'd agree with the simpleton part... but there are many of them and they are passing legislation... so it's a problem. That part I will not disagree with. Nope.. they just use them. That's all. Well, let's be honest here, TRP makes it out to be this big deal with absolutisms like AWALT, AFBB, which to me, are on the same level as all the man-x-ings (ie: mansplaining, manspreading, manthinking... what's next, mansleeping?) feminazis spit. In both cases, they're based on absolutes with flawed base…
/r/seduction22/06/17 10:12 PM
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That's exactly what it is.
/r/seduction22/06/17 09:39 PM
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If there's anything I've learn during this trip on our planet, it's that absolutes are never absolutely right. Anyone claiming to an "ultimate truth", leaving no place whatsoever for any nuance, is someone I wouldn't trust. And thus far, this policy has proven quite useful to me.
/r/seduction22/06/17 09:38 PM
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Discernable leader? Rational Male would be a start. Heartiste's a nice choice. But hey, I'm not discounting that I could be completely wrong. As for the goal, are you kidding me? How many coaches are there in the PUA community? Waaaay too many to count. A lot of them being red pillers. Would it be in their financial interest to drive potential customers away from this sort of frame? Of course, not. This is a business where you can make a lot of money out of thin air. Now, I'd be hard-pressed to …
/r/seduction22/06/17 09:13 PM
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Would you mind pointing those nuances out? Because what I read tells me that, in the example illustrated by the article, she wants to see that the man is not bothered by her not answering. "She wanted to feel his unperturbness by her reactions" Which is gauging the man's reaction to her passiveness. I don't see how we're saying anything different here.
/r/seduction22/06/17 08:50 PM
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But that's exactly what it is. A shit test, in general, is how a woman gauges a man's reaction to adversity. And what your article described was just that. Same goes for your title. "Why women like to poke men at their weak points?" To gauge how they react to adversity, and specifically in this context, how a man would react to her passiveness. How is that narrow? That's quite broad, actually.
/r/seduction22/06/17 08:18 PM
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Well you did name a bunch of 'em! Be confident, assertive. Leave your ego at the door when you'll leave. Don't forget to tickle them girls emotionally when opportunities arise. And make sure you TOO are having fun. You'll find your own specifics, but that covers the basics.
/r/seduction22/06/17 08:10 PM
1

Well, not all people are alike. Some dominatrixes will keep their professional and personal lives apart, and as a result could be subs in their personal lives. Whereas some others will play out their own personal fantasies through their professional endeavors. I'd say try to get to know her from a context that doesn't includes the dominatrix aspect, so that she'd open up more genuinely, which would help building attraction. But I gotta ask, though. Why would you want to do that? What's appealing…
/r/seduction22/06/17 07:54 PM
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tl;dr, a shit test.
/r/seduction22/06/17 07:49 PM
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Think of this sub as The Red Pill Lite. I'd disagree. Calling Seddit TRP-Lite would be doing it a huge disservice, in my opinion. TRP basically took general guidelines from seduction/PUA communities (ergo, common sense) and added some over-amplified bullshit that impressionable AFCs believe without researching. The fact that TRP encourages its followers to stay angry makes those people easier to control. And it's sad, really. Wanna spot a red piller on seddit? See how angrily (not just bluntly, …
/r/seduction22/06/17 07:41 PM
1

Deal with it, bitch. You care. Say it with me now: I CARE! Who're you trying to convince here? Hmm, I wonder...
/r/ExRedPill22/06/17 07:29 PM
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Perhaps then you should become the best person you can be for yourself, first and foremost. To regain your self-respect. Your partner will benefit from that one way or another.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/17 07:22 PM
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Y'know, I've read this whole thread... and there's only one conclusion I can come to. This isn't oppression olympics, but rather batshit-insanity olympics. Who between nihilistic puddles of flesh and simple-minded SJWs are the craziest. Tell you what, I'm not a good judge on the matter, so I'll give both groups a participation trophy, even though one of these groups won't appreciate the gesture. Then again, perhaps both won't.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/17 07:18 PM
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Challenging your own world view Yeah, as in your beloved subreddit banning any criticism of it. That's taking to a challenge, alright! As in everyone on your beloved subreddit calling names anyone who'd report anything fishy (not that there's any shortage of that) with its philosophy. That's rational alright. That's a rational discussion, for certain. Perhaps you should try practicing what you (hypocritically) preach? Not an ex, btw. Just someone who takes time to investigate both sides of a coi…
/r/ExRedPill22/06/17 07:11 PM
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I wish I could go back in time. But you can't. So any more dwelling on this topic is nothing more than energy poorly spent. You need to forgive yourself, learn from your mistakes, allow yourself to make mistakes in the future, and move on. You tried to move on, but you definitely didn't forgave yourself at all. You can't control how others react, only how you do. And you can only improve that by being objective with yourself rather than overly severe.
/r/seduction22/06/17 03:47 PM
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Look Craig Ferguson up on youtube, when he interviews female guests. That's one of many, many styles. But that should give you an idea.
/r/seduction22/06/17 03:29 PM
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Your parents are human. They went with what they knew and did what they perceived to be the best. Mileage always varies when it comes to that notion. It's your job to weed out what's not useful to you and keep what is. As for society... look at it, just look at it. Does it look like a very good teacher to you? It certainly doesn't to me. This is when the famous "art of not giving a fuck" becomes paramount.
/r/seduction22/06/17 03:25 PM
1

Never. To truly be proficient at flirting, it has to become second nature, and you can't allow anyone to take that away from you. Simply refocus where it's directed at.
/r/seduction22/06/17 02:59 PM
1

We lack a bit of info on the premise here. Does she know you don't want anything serious out of this? As in, are you leading her to believe you want a LTR, subtly or not? If you do, then that's shady, and you should be straight up, man up, and tell it like it is. You don't have to feel guilt for not wanting to be with a given woman any longer. You should feel guilty, however, if you lead her to believe you wanted something serious when you did not.
/r/seduction22/06/17 02:57 PM
1

"Wanna put that theory to the test?" Unless it's a woman teasing you like that, of course. Then just flirt and don't apologize.
/r/seduction22/06/17 02:48 PM
2

" oh, but you're such a nice guy" "Perhaps not as much as you think I am." People tend to look at things as dichotomies. As if there can only be two options for any given situation, when nothing can be further from the truth. And trying to reason with these people, who in my opinion are just intellectually lazy, is more often than not a pointless endeavor. You are what you want to be, not what they tell you. As for dispelling the nice guy mindset itself, as long as you begin to start owning your…
/r/seduction22/06/17 02:47 PM
1

Yeah, that's one of the biggest problem men end up facing: limitating beliefs. Tell me, who taught you that? Just out of curiosity?
/r/seduction22/06/17 02:36 PM
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If your family would kill you over this, they're not really loving, in my opinion. Conservative or not. My opinion is that you should try. You know what's best for you better than anyone else. Look, I'll tell you a little family-related story: my dad was pretty much from the same mold as your parents: ultra-religious, with the old "I'm your dad, so I have ultimate authority over you until the end of time" mentality. I've always had a knack for technology in general, but he wanted me to follow in…
/r/seduction22/06/17 02:29 PM
2

Your question contains what we call "suspiciously specific denial". Normally, that would tell the exact opposite of your message. Now, do you: a) want to ensure the basis of your relationship REALLY remains platonic, or... b) are you trying to hide that you're hitting on her? If "a", then treat her like you'd treat any other friend. Period. If "b", hiding your intent will be your downfall.
/r/seduction22/06/17 02:09 PM
2

If your morals really are in the way, make it clear from the get-go. If they want none of that, move on to different girls. Surprisingly to a lot of people, and unsurprisingly to those who are more about flings than LTRs, a sizeable number of those girls who want something serious will settle for being fuckbuddies if they feel comfortable enough with their prospective fuckbuddy. Either way, your honesty on the matter will be appreciated, and you won't burn bridges. So just tell them "Look, just …
/r/seduction22/06/17 12:45 PM
2

Y'know, it kinda bothers me to see so many people think that seduction, pick-up, whatever we want to call it, is purely methodical. It's not. It has a LOT MORE to do with the person taking action than the actions themselves. What to do is the baseline. How you do it is what gives it your personal touch, your signature. Sure, there are a few ground rules you should follow if you don't want to string basic "rookie" failures, but as long as you remain confident, assertive, and that you know what to…
/r/seduction22/06/17 12:28 PM
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Well it's not impossible that she changed her mind. Unlikely, but we've seen much more unlikely scenarios happen before. That wouldn't be the weirdest thing I've seen. There is also a chance that she keeps you as an orbiter. Then again, we don't know her, we don't know if she already has quite a few of those already or not. You're faced with two options: you do nothing and it remains platonic, or you head towards building attraction, slowly but steadily. The latter, at worst, should bring you no…
/r/seduction22/06/17 12:18 PM
2

So you're feeding them a Q&A without genuine interest. They can feel when there's no real interest. That's why it never goes further.
/r/seduction22/06/17 12:10 PM
3

Every time I see her she says for me to call her because she's terrible at texting And why exactly don't you do just that?
/r/seduction21/06/17 05:23 PM
1

I prefer to think of this as "results" rather than "rewards". The latter implies that it is owed, while the former is an outcome.
/r/seduction21/06/17 04:39 PM
2

Now that's comedy!
/r/seduction21/06/17 02:55 PM
1

Your greatest challenge should always be to do better than the best you did thus far. Way to go! Keep it up!
/r/seduction21/06/17 02:53 PM
1

Grow up! Harsh, I know. But you need to be told! What you're doing is playing petty mind games over your own little whims with someone who's clearly not interested. That's crap Red Pillers do! Not only will your "test", if we can even qualify that garbage as such, fail miserably, but you'll ensure that you'll have absolutely no chance for your image to ever recover in the eyes of this person. You're about to shoot yourself in the dick with a .12 gauge shotgun if you follow through with that idea…
/r/seduction21/06/17 02:31 PM
1

Or maybe you should just give yourself a chance to get started. I'm pretty sure you're not the only one who didn't find it in him to approach on his first time out. Matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet it's the norm more than the exception. Pinpoint the opportunities just like you did, keep those in mind, and try harder the next time. It won't be easy. It really won't. But it's nowhere near impossible!
/r/seduction20/06/17 08:56 PM
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You don't want to be labeled as a liar right off the bat for something as insignificant as that. Just be blunt about it, and don't treat it as something to be ashamed of. Make absolutely no big deal of it. It'll be fine!
/r/seduction20/06/17 08:48 PM
1

A nice poe, I must say...
/r/seduction20/06/17 07:18 PM
2

Well, there's Seddit for that. :) Other than that, I cannot imagine someone checking at his phone when a woman shit-tests him. And if you tell me that it would help in order to rehearse before an approach (bad idea), I would argue that so would Seddit.
/r/seduction20/06/17 07:10 PM
1

That's a recipe for disaster. Women can easily see through bullcrap like that.
/r/seduction20/06/17 05:50 PM
3

apps for approaching women How would that even work?
/r/seduction20/06/17 05:15 PM
1

Please tell me you won't do like so many here and flat out ignore that the majority told you to move on, so you can come back and post that you tried, again, to get with her. Please don't be that guy. She wants nothing to do with you. Figure out BY YOURSELF what went wrong, and move on.
/r/seduction20/06/17 05:13 PM
2

While similar in some aspects, addiction and anxiety do work differently, I believe. Everyone experiences some form anxiety at one point or another in their lives. The same cannot be said with addiction. Different symptoms. Non-pathological anxiety can be taken care of by exposure to the "source" of said anxiety. Pathological anxiety is an entirely different ballgame, from what I understand. As far as addictions go, I'm not well-enough versed to know the specifics of how they're treated. To me, …
/r/seduction20/06/17 05:08 PM
1

They mock TRP flat out.
/r/seduction20/06/17 03:15 PM
1

How exactly do you expect it to be possible to quantify that when there are 7 billion variations of the human prototype around the globe?
/r/seduction20/06/17 03:07 PM
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She's had 5 over the span of 2 years. You call THAT promiscuous? Come on now, that's nothing. You're basically saying that having 5 relationships over 2 years is "sleeping around". Anyone can have bad breaks, and everyone have their ways to deal with this. It irks you because of pride and you being judgmental. You need to drop those. Your current partner is not responsible for what your ex did, so stop projecting that intent on her based on something as baseless as her "track record"! And that t…
/r/seduction20/06/17 02:10 PM
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They are, eh?
/r/seduction20/06/17 01:34 PM
2

TRP: imagine the seduction community as the equivalent of radfems for men. SJWish type of hivemind, reacts to criticism of their movement the same way. Doesn't look all that fun, now does it? There ya go. And if you asked them, they'll probably tell you that seddit are a bunch of pansies who just didn't "wake up".
/r/seduction19/06/17 07:25 PM
2

I gotta ask you. I have to, because it seems like you're asking us while not trying what we suggest. Why do you keep on texting? Most, if not all your posts, are about texting. If your last few experiences you shared should be any indicator, it doesn't work for you at all. I know going out and approaching requires a lot more guts, but it's also a lot more rewarding. Drop the text and take action. Or be forever doomed in repeating the same errors over and over with no different results.
/r/seduction19/06/17 05:46 PM
1

Surprised Woujo didn't chew you up and spit you out on that one. :>
/r/seduction19/06/17 04:27 PM
2

You still give too many fucks when they're involved. You need to realize that they're most likely not studying the same mindset as you are. Don't let them derail you. They know no better.
/r/seduction19/06/17 04:05 PM
1

No no no. That in itself doesn't make one an asshole. That in itself plants the seeds for success. An asshole not only doesn't care about people's approval or lack thereof, but won't care about respecting others either. You can easily not care about judgments while still having basic respect of others' integrity. Until, that is, one crosses the line of course.
/r/seduction19/06/17 03:57 PM
1

Go meet her in person first. Or don't, and shoot yourself in the nuts by making a creep of yourself by texting her first.
/r/seduction19/06/17 03:54 PM
1

now tho i think its more oriented about men being victim then being solution oriented When you find threads about your partner "AMOGing" you because she walks faster than you on the street, we can say that this is an huge understatement.
/r/seduction19/06/17 03:50 PM
2

You're just arguing semantics to "be right" at that point...
/r/seduction19/06/17 03:48 PM
1

I don't post much in seddit, and I don't give a fuck about monetizing shit. Helping dudes unfuck their shit, is kind of my middle finger to the ultra-pc mindfuck media that we grow up with, that screws dudes into thinking that the grand romantic gestures and shit get the girl. That's some MVP shit right there!
/r/seduction19/06/17 03:27 PM
1

Hm, let's see. Fucked tons of models and porn stars, living the sugar mommy life, yet would lower himself to charge for 1-on-1 sessions to "plebs". Consistent enough, I guess... or is it?
/r/seduction19/06/17 03:19 PM
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Self-hypnosis. You tried? Not saying this is the be-all-end-all, but it helps reinforcing some positive thought patterns. A certain "bay of swashbucklers" can help with that. Yarr.
/r/seduction19/06/17 03:13 PM
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My take is that if she wanted to go with you, she would've reconvened on the spot. The fact that she leaves you into uncertainty means she hopes for that to die out, in my opinion. Next her. Don't even reply.
/r/seduction19/06/17 02:22 PM
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I've been doing everything right cause we had sex in the end Perhaps you miscalculated where "the end" was? Especially if the aftermath matters that much to you? Or perhaps the most crucial part didn't go right. That part being, the sex itself. Is it because of you? Of her? Who knows, but something might have gone wrong right before, during, or after. And she may never tell you. If something doesn't go according to plan, it's your job to introspect and find out what could've gone wrong. It's not…
/r/seduction19/06/17 02:17 PM
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I'll just add in my two cents on yours, if you don't mind, as I agree with them. Women wants a man who listens They do. But not just that. You explained the idea: listening with interest. And most importantly, use this to find queues to build attraction. Women will be offended by sexual overtures I believe they want artists (not litteral artists, of course, figure of speech) when it comes to that. Plugging those is, indeed, an art. One that is totally worth to learn. Women when say "yes" it mean…
/r/seduction19/06/17 01:48 PM
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if bitches weren't so shallow Wow, that speaks volumes on your attitude. Yet, you want the 10's? Guess what, buddy: no woman owes you anything. Nor do they owe me anything. Nor anyone else. The problem is not your height. Your problem is some perceived "injustice" that lies in the depths of your mind because you have this misconception that you're owed sex, when, get ready for the kicker, you are NOT. This is your problem. Not your height, not anything physical, THIS. You're basically the short-…
/r/seduction19/06/17 12:50 PM
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"Let's just not" isn't a shit test. Shit tests are thrown when there is interest. "Let's just not" is a clear indicator of disinterest.
/r/seduction15/06/17 08:25 PM
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Pleasure was all mine!
/r/seduction15/06/17 08:07 PM
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The context is quite different when it comes to Tinder and dating sites. Women only have pictures and a bio as a reference point. They don't get the live interaction that will either confirm or contradict value. Sure, there are messages, but they don't get to see the person's demanor or body language. They don't get to speak one on one, face to face. They don't get physical proximity. There is a huge difference context-wise. Hence why in person, approaching will yield better results than to expe…
/r/seduction15/06/17 08:04 PM
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Attraction doesn't work the same for both genders. We men are attracted by physical beauty first and foremost. Women are attracted first and foremost by what constitutes genuine confident behavior. Not saying those factors won't influence the other gender, but mainly, that's how it is.
/r/seduction15/06/17 07:56 PM
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You're assuming attraction works the same for men and women.
/r/seduction15/06/17 07:48 PM
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However I'm told that approach can risk leading into just being considered a friend because you didn't make your intentions clear even though you may have just been leaving it up to the girl to decide your worth. Okay, let's look at it from a mathematical point of view. You have two options, each with its own probability percentage of your desired outcome. You approach. Probability: At the VERY least above 0%. Can be ANY number up to 100%. You don't approach. Probability: 0% I guess it's self-ex…
/r/seduction15/06/17 07:07 PM
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What kind of logic is that? How can the attraction variable even be defined if she didn't notice you yet? She has to notice you, and for that to happen, you have to approach. No ifs and buts about it.
/r/seduction15/06/17 06:55 PM
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"alright you persuaded me haha, I'll try this" and she gave me a little nudge. "Tell me how ya like it." That's simple, and it opens the door for further conversation. The reason most people end up not being witty is because they actually try too hard. Keep it simple. There are times when less is more. Your object is to tickle her emotionally. With positive emotions. You can also push-pull, which basically is playfully feigning disinterest just to get a reaction out of her, followed by playfully…
/r/seduction15/06/17 05:52 PM
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You've been asking the same thing, time and time again, worded differently, just because you don't like our answer. It seems like you're trying to desperately prove to yourself that all of this doesn't work.
/r/seduction15/06/17 05:07 PM
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I think you're putting more emphasis on the perception of failure. That simply means there are adjustments to be made. Failure is not a dishonor; it's a window of opportunity to adapt.
/r/seduction15/06/17 02:42 PM
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Are these truly paradoxes, or merely nuances based on different contexts? I believe asking the question answers it.
/r/seduction15/06/17 01:46 PM
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a lot of people in "seduction" communities That wouldn't have anything to do with colored medication, now would it? ;)
/r/seduction15/06/17 01:44 PM
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Yeah, that's actually more commonplace than one may think. The body transforms, but the mind also has to adjust. If there's anything that demonstrates that looks isn't everything, that would be this example right there.
/r/seduction15/06/17 01:36 PM
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which makes me worried more Herein lies the problem: you grant her waaaaay too much importance. We're 7 billions on Earth, what are the chances you land on "DA ONE" the first time, if ever? Slim to none.
/r/seduction15/06/17 01:32 PM
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While I understand the intent behind the move, don't tell her next time; just be distant if that's what you want to do. Just note that your mileage may vary. However, don't waste too much time if it becomes uselessly complicated. Move on.
/r/seduction15/06/17 01:31 PM
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1- While it's definitely a bonus, it's not mandatory. Plus, this "advantage" goes away once the approach step is done with if your personality is sub-par. 2- Status also helps, perhaps moreso than being fit. But again, it impacts approaching more than anything else. If your personality's garbage, this will go down the drain. 3- Generally untrue. I mean, sure, everyone could have a bad day here and there, but from a general standpoint, they don't mind being approached, given that the approach is …
/r/seduction15/06/17 01:25 PM
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We can only speculate based on your account of the situation. We can't guarantee that it is indeed an IOI 100%, though.
/r/seduction15/06/17 12:59 PM
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I don't wanna sound like an armchair psychologist here, but were you always that good-looking? If not, then perhaps it's a limitating belief from way back that holds you back that much.
/r/seduction15/06/17 12:58 PM
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The concept of an orbiter basically consists of a woman having one or several man/men "revolving" around her. She'll never really consider those men as anything close to a sexual/romantic interest, but she'll try to keep them "orbiting" around her. The motive behind that would be validation, in ways not all that different from men bragging about their lays, if you will.
/r/seduction15/06/17 12:54 PM
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I believe you quoted the wrong person here. I said no such thing.
/r/seduction15/06/17 12:22 PM
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Not if I actually was on the phone with her setting things up to meet her within the next half hour, while you eagerly awaited her response that never came. Much easier to build comfort, rapport, and most importantly attraction, with your voice than it is with text. And even moreso when you take it out of the phonezone and make it real.
/r/seduction14/06/17 09:53 PM
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Why would you keep asking us for advice just to not follow it in the end? This isn't the first time you pull that off, by the way.
/r/seduction14/06/17 09:41 PM
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Y'know, that's why adopting the proper mindset is so important. You don't see the abundance around you because your approach to this concept is flawed, mostly due to a lack of exposure to it. As for how sex is perceived, I may be entirely wrong with that, but perhaps it's your perception of it being the holy grail that frustrates you, rather than other people's perception of sex being commonplace? But I get how it is. The more you want something, the more you expect out of it, the harder the blo…
/r/seduction14/06/17 09:02 PM
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AA, absolutely not. Attacking others for similar flaws, absolutely. Dude, you went off on people for lesser than that. And not just a little. So yeah, the irony is not lost on me. Now I just have to guess what your reply will be... To be perfectly honest, I'm still on the fence between a bunch of different F-words, or Seddit's very own played out barb (or classic, depending on how you look at it), the "It's obvious you're bitter and insecure!!!". Everyone says the latter to everyone else, so it'…
/r/seduction14/06/17 08:52 PM
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I agree with the shaming tactic being shady, but I don't believe you have a lot of room to judge weakness. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/6ha5k3/god_couldve_gave_me_the_natural_male_drive_to/
/r/seduction14/06/17 08:33 PM
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Best advice? Sidebar. Read it. Entirely.
/r/seduction14/06/17 08:00 PM
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Sex is supposed to be fun and tension-releasing... and you want to add the stress of following scripts? That seems extremely counter-intuitive. Plus it shows when it's not coming from you. Now guidelines as to how to escalate, or pointers on what's effective, that's cool. But scripts?
/r/seduction14/06/17 06:55 PM
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And I don't think I have oneitis because I've dated and slept with another girl since, but I just can't seem to get over the fact that I blew this opportunity and it'll never come back. Going for someone else doesn't mean you're over the other one. Not being over a person is oneitis. Again, as I've said earlier, you're young, you're at your learning stages, really. You may not believe us yet when we tell you that you'll have better experiences, and that you'll meet even better women, but keep th…
/r/seduction14/06/17 06:06 PM
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My misconception? Every. Freaking. Thing. Hollywood, along with my aunts and grandmas, did a great job giving me the absolute, most piss-poor advice on women. Good thing I was curious enough to look for information on my own.
/r/seduction14/06/17 05:33 PM
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Texting is a "utility-type" communication method. Use it solely to get info across from one point to another. It works poorly with transmitting emotions. Call instead. Or meet up.
/r/seduction14/06/17 05:26 PM
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Pleasure was all mine.
/r/seduction14/06/17 04:09 PM
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Yes, with time. It did take a while, and a fair number of relationships, but right now, it's much better than my very first love. My philosophy of love changed a lot during the years, which I would say is something you must always remain open to. You're young. I'm sure you probably hate reading that, but it's true. You have to give yourself the right to learn from what could go wrong. Don't hit yourself over the head if it goes wrong as blaming yourself won't help you do better. There is no dish…
/r/seduction14/06/17 03:52 PM
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Neediness comes from a combination of an improper mindset, and expectation of results that one are not necessarily entitled to. Detach yourself from results and just ensure you take the woman, slowly but surely, through posivite emotions. You don't need to be an entertainer for that, tho. Actively listen, inquite with genuine interest, pick up opportunities from what she says to playfully tease (avoid stuff that would be demeaning, though) and push-pull (playing with the different meanings of a …
/r/seduction14/06/17 03:43 PM
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I wouldn't be ready to say she won't be excited, though. The "two virgins having their first time together" scenario isn't as commonplace as one could believe. There usually is a noticeable difference in experience between two partners, and that's fine as well.
/r/seduction14/06/17 03:33 PM
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Well, in my opinion, it's a cliché. And that cliché lives on solely because someone's first experience with that feeling will be memorable, as with most "firsts". This is natural. It will be memorable, yes, but that's because it comes from a place of "innocence", which you will never get to experience again. But it won't be "the most you ever loved". Time will teach you what love actually is about (which, to me is more of complementing one another than "needing" one another as Hollywood would li…
/r/seduction14/06/17 03:23 PM
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It's nothing but an Hollywoodesque cliché. And we all know how amazing awful of a teacher Hollywood has been.
/r/seduction14/06/17 02:36 PM
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If this guy can approach in a wheelchair, something most people on this sub will never ever have to deal with their entire lives, why can't you guys approach while being for the most part fully healthy? That should be an inspiration.
/r/seduction14/06/17 02:16 PM
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I'll make it short and sweet. You don't need to be funny; you need to be fun. There is a compelling distinction between the two.
/r/seduction14/06/17 02:11 PM
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Despite years of hitting the gym and getting fit. Decking out my wardrobe and having a good sense of style, getting an internship in the financial sector with an amazing company after attending a top university I still can't have any success with women. It sucks. It just doesn't seem fair how sex and love are such a normal part of the life of most men my age and it just isn't for me. It seems like you expected sex to be handed to you on a silver platter, as if you were entitled to it, as if you …
/r/seduction14/06/17 02:05 PM
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Attempting dating with clinical anxiety is a nightmare. Attempting the 100m dash with two broken legs is a nightmare as well. The solution for my example is the same as for your predicament.
/r/seduction13/06/17 06:23 PM
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Well, was that your objective?
/r/seduction13/06/17 05:35 PM
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I lost her Tell your ego to give you a break, for your sake. You don't "lose" people, as people don't "belong" to others. It may "just be semantics", but it does reflect a poisonous mindset, one in which you feel entitled to her affections when nobody really owes anyone anything. Did you experience failure? Sure. But failure is no dishonor. Leave the sorrow behind and learn what you have to learn from it.
/r/seduction13/06/17 02:57 PM
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But it's not your last one. Your life doesn't end there as a result. The object is to identify what went wrong to ensure it is not reproduced. It may sound like there's a lot of "you you you" in what we're telling you, and yes, YOU have to do something. A lot of things as a matter of fact. Why? Because you can't control what life throws at you; just how you react to it. So of course, the recommended actions we'll suggest will be about you.
/r/seduction13/06/17 02:40 PM
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Exactly! Opportunities are out there if you're willing to reach out.
/r/seduction13/06/17 01:26 PM
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If there is something not to express in seduction, neediness definitely is in the top 3, if not number 1.
/r/seduction13/06/17 01:24 PM
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I get the whole congruence thing, but regarding this specific detail, this is what drives them away. And even then, it's not congruent at all. She did not make you needy, it's not her fault if you were. That's your issue to handle, not hers. You may not like reading this, but you gotta know that this is hindering you big time.
/r/seduction12/06/17 08:12 PM
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Is there any single solitary thread in which you don't mention being downvoted?
/r/seduction12/06/17 08:02 PM
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Text should be a "utility" lane of communication, not your main one. Same rule as with anyone else: call if you wanna talk, text if you just need to get info across quickly.
/r/seduction12/06/17 07:58 PM
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said "shes not the phone type of girl" If you're not the text kind of guy, you know what to do. Next.
/r/seduction12/06/17 07:55 PM
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even told her "Hey you made me needy" ...why?
/r/seduction12/06/17 07:52 PM
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Well there ya go! Not hung up on results, just going in for fun. Keep it up!
/r/seduction12/06/17 05:05 PM
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The one who invites is the one who pays. Not just with women, but with anyone. The same I'd do with any close friend of mine. What I did whenever the woman wanted to pay her share is turn the situation into a projection. "Haha, don't worry about it, we'll have quite a few more opportunities for you to return the favor." This way, you don't make a big deal out of it, you remain gentle but firm on your stance, and you project the image that this is not the last date you guys are dating. If she the…
/r/seduction12/06/17 03:38 PM
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Rust is normal. Just like with everything else. It'll come back much sooner than you expect.
/r/seduction12/06/17 02:55 PM
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I don't feel like I ever had a choice in the matter. The reason why you feel that way is because you don't allow yourself to have a choice. Or rather, your mind is preventing you. Realize this: you're less afraid of death than to take risks in the situation you're at. Death, which is a permanent be-all-end-all from which there is no turning back once it's done. Your other option consists of giving a shot at something you'd have a virtually unlimited number of shots. Don't do yourself this disser…
/r/seduction12/06/17 02:47 PM
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What you quoted was the opinion of one individual. One individual does not realistically speak for an entire gender. Given the overall tone of that quote, it's safe to say it wasn't done from a good place either. Daygame is entirely possible. Don't expect a woman to give you good tips on dating women. That ain't gonna happen.
/r/seduction12/06/17 02:38 PM
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there is no sexual tension coming from her (i just try not to show mine haha) Well that certainly doesn't help.
/r/seduction12/06/17 02:35 PM
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Well, women are grownups, right? Let them manage their side of it just like you do yours. If you would've made it clear that you were looking for a LTR solely to fuck her, then it would've been shady. But if nothing has been said and you guys fucked, that's all it was: fucking.
/r/seduction12/06/17 02:32 PM
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Can't wait to see /r/softwaregore show off how well that works! :>
/r/seduction12/06/17 02:24 PM
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In short: Don't be a fuck owner, so you'll have none to give.
/r/seduction12/06/17 02:22 PM
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I don't do it nearly as often as a few years ago, simply because I'm satisfied with my current relationship. I will, however, engage in conversation whenever I feel like it, just for shits and giggles. So yeah, any opportunity to engage should be viewed as a good one until you see clear indicators that it's not.
/r/seduction12/06/17 02:20 PM
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looking for some advice on what is expected/normal when one "grabs a drink" with a new girl Having fun and making her experience just as fun. Enjoying yourselves genuinely.
/r/seduction12/06/17 02:07 PM
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Need some opinions I'd say you shouldn't "need" those opinions per se. It's always useful to get a "ballpark figure" so to speak, but take what you feel is useful out of them, and leave the rest behind. Back on topic, do it if you like her, not out of desperation.
/r/seduction12/06/17 02:05 PM
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Dude... why? Reacting to negativity does just as great of a job of spreading it around as starting it does. It's a lose-lose game, no matter how you look at it.
/r/seduction12/06/17 01:56 PM
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Exactly. A laugh is but the manifestation of a few emotions. You have to look for more than just that. The more positive emotions you can elicit, the better of a head start you'll have.
/r/seduction12/06/17 01:33 PM
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This thread is alpha as fuck! grabs fried pork rinds
/r/seduction12/06/17 01:30 PM
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I'd say using people for anything is bad, period.
/r/seduction10/06/17 11:00 PM
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Personally, because I'm no parasite. But to each their own, I guess.
/r/seduction10/06/17 10:46 PM
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But there is. If they're willing to change their mindset and kill those limitating beliefs. No, it's not easy. But nowhere near impossible.
/r/seduction10/06/17 09:39 PM
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Alpha and beta, to my ears, are boys club slang. Be social and assertive. Know that people, and therefore women, are available a plenty. And do NOT take failure as a dishonor of any kind. Embrace it. And most importantly, don't solely hang on "who you are" and focus on the "you" that you wish to be
/r/seduction10/06/17 07:25 PM
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when getting dates with girls is a rare thing for me Herein lies the problem: mindset. Your mindset makes you rationalize your own excuses.
/r/seduction10/06/17 07:23 PM
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And why would a woman's wealth be a factor, if not to freeload?
/r/seduction10/06/17 07:17 PM
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You don't, for abundance does exist. You just need to realize that.
/r/seduction10/06/17 07:15 PM
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Make friends and get a social life. No seriously. Get out of your comfort zone in order to widen it further. Associate with the people you wish to be like, and heed their advice. Do not associate with those who'd discourage you from reaching your objectives.
/r/seduction10/06/17 07:13 PM
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Move on. Don't expose yourself to oneitis.
/r/seduction09/06/17 09:27 PM
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But would that happen? Not likely. Point moot. "What if" questions are useless if the chances for the condition actually happening ranges from slim to none.
/r/seduction09/06/17 08:02 PM
1

Please, guys... tell me you KNEW that guy was fucking with y'all... please...
/r/seduction09/06/17 07:57 PM
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I believe the interpretation will most likely depend on how you carry yourself and come across on the matter. Most of the time, that's what changes people's perception on one same move from one person to another.
/r/seduction09/06/17 07:05 PM
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Do it. Wanting to hang out is not desperate per se. It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
/r/seduction09/06/17 06:29 PM
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How are we supposed to know? Everyone's unique and has his/her own life. (Yes, I said it, AWALT is a big fat lie.) The moment it becomes increasingly ambigous is the moment I go next, personally. People genuinely interested in one another typically go out of their way to simplify matters as much as the situation will allow it. If the situation remains ambiguous, there's a lack of good will on one end, and it's not worth losing sleep over IMO.
/r/seduction09/06/17 06:13 PM
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There's no magic or rocket science behind that, really. It's a combination of good game and the woman's personal kinks. You could be lucky to nail that perfect combination, or you could have a harder time pulling it off if the woman's a tad wee bit more conservative on that level. Jack covered the game/kino-ish part. Had that happen once, and what I did was that I went as if we were getting off to take a walk, but I would start making out with her "just a tad bit" before we get out. Then I would…
/r/seduction09/06/17 04:54 PM
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Wrong vibe, IMO. Rubbing legs under the table doesn't usually translate into a relationship intent. It's sexual teasing. So the key is not to ask her out, but to escalate somehow. Find a way to take her somewhere a tad bit more private, and take charge.
/r/seduction09/06/17 04:39 PM
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First, as vulgrrr stated, selection bias is in full effect on that AskReddit thread. People who don't feel concerned by the topic won't reply, which takes a huge chunk out of what we would consider an objective sample. People who have had issues/awful experiences will be the most vocal and vehement, and there aren't just about a dozen of those on this planet. This will make it all sound like a widespread issue if you don't take into account the proportion of people who never had to deal with suc…
/r/seduction09/06/17 03:38 PM
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most women Most women are not complaining on reddit about their issues with men approaching them. Reddit can't be used as an accurate representation of all women's opinion on the matter. Matter of fact, I'm not even sure if anything could...
/r/seduction09/06/17 03:26 PM
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Sorry, but you asked women for advice on dating women. What kind of response did you expect?
/r/seduction09/06/17 03:18 PM
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As long as you're straight-forward about the whole thing and don't overcomplicate the process (ie: by making shady excuses, for instance), it should be fine.
/r/seduction09/06/17 02:25 PM
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If your point of reference comes down to movies, your vision of sex is unfortunately extremely flawed. Hollywood's job is to "sell dreams" to people. It's not an accurate representation of how the real world works. Those trying to follow what the movie industry "teaches" are the ones who'll generally fail. Probably not what you wanted to hear, but that's the reality.
/r/seduction09/06/17 02:17 PM
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Perhaps because the interest wasn't all that crystal clear after all. Usually, the longer you drag from point A to point B, the more this "mystery of life" is likely to occur.
/r/seduction08/06/17 08:39 PM
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When you need to gloat about it more than you need to actually live it, perhaps you're merely expressing a wish out loud.
/r/seduction08/06/17 08:37 PM
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Awesome! Looks like her shit test was a bit of a catch 22 from the get go, so it's not a bad thing that it ended this soon. Next time will go better, I'm sure of it.
/r/seduction08/06/17 06:25 PM
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And that's why I compare it to the victim mindset, in the sense that the ego starts complaining that it's unfair and whatnot. That's the voice you need to tell to STFU. And yes, this does requires work. But it's feasible.
/r/seduction08/06/17 06:05 PM
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I'd just agree to disagree with the guy. You can't agree on everything with people. That won't prevent you from making friends with people who share these interests. And if that guy judges you for it, then perhaps he's not such a good friend after all... To me, a lengthy friendship does not necessarily equal a healthy friendship. Respect should be the basis of any friendship, and if he shuts you down in front of everyone, he's not being a very good friend. But that's just my take on it.
/r/seduction08/06/17 05:57 PM
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That's easy: rejection. Often seen as a shortcoming, not so often looked at from a "troubleshooting" perspective. But from a personal standpoint: getting fired over health issues from a job I've been at for about a month and a half. They used the "surpar performance" excuse at the moment they got my doc's paper, while the week before, they gave me an award for successfully taking on exceptional workload. So I knew they just took offense to me taking medical leave. Sadly, laws where I live would'…
/r/seduction08/06/17 05:41 PM
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Herein lies the importance of knowing the woman's age. As soon as you see it's off-limits, back off. Nobody can expect you to be a fortune-teller or a seer.
/r/seduction08/06/17 04:22 PM
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Then you're golden.
/r/seduction08/06/17 04:19 PM
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Yeah well here's the thing, and I'm sure you've probably heard this about a thousand times by now: you can't control what life throws at you, but you certainly can control how you react to it. And that, as cliché as it may be, makes a whole lot of sense. The actions you'll take is the only sort of control you have over what happens. Might as well do what would benefit you better in the long run.
/r/seduction08/06/17 02:21 PM
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The way I see it, the only valid reasons to fight are to defend yourself or someone close to you who's threatened by a third party. The reason being that indeed, a fight is always a lose-lose situation, but your own safety, along with your loved ones', is a priority. You're not a coward for picking your own battles. If that makes you feel any better, that white knight won't get the puh for doing this.
/r/seduction08/06/17 02:12 PM
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I don't blame anyone but myself for being alone basically my whole life. Herein lies the problem: you don't learn from blaming anyone, much less yourself. You learn from having an honest look at what went wrong, pinpointing the issues and taking action on those. There is a world of difference between owning what you did that didn't yield the expected results, and hitting yourself over the head about it. It's closely related to the victim mindset. What started my shift in mindsets is when I decid…
/r/seduction08/06/17 02:03 PM
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Obvious troll is obvious.
/r/seduction08/06/17 12:26 PM
2

"And you're not?" Fits both meanings, whether it is banter or genuine.
/r/seduction07/06/17 09:41 PM
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You know you can get your teacher in a shitload of trouble for that, right? Plus, how old exactly are the daughters? You don't want to head into a shitload of trouble yourself either. The real question to ask yourself first is: is the risk/reward ratio in your favor?
/r/seduction07/06/17 08:42 PM
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Y'know, there is a chance that she limited her part of the conversation on purpose too. Regardless, if you felt she was being a bore, letting it go was the way to go. As much as we men tend to enjoy hot women, an 8 that's all smiles and fun is much sexier to me than a 10 that's utterly boring. But that's just me.
/r/seduction07/06/17 08:19 PM
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Let me ask you first: how is your mindset when you're around these girls you're not attracted to? And now, tell me how your mindset is when you're around women that you're attracted to. I'd be tempted to call you a bold-face liar if you tell me there's no difference. :P That's where it comes from.
/r/seduction07/06/17 07:54 PM
1

If it setting the date up becomes complicated and she doesn't bring anything to the table that could help, chances are she's gonna flake. Let the neediness go (and yes, it's obvious that you are needy given your resistance to the "Let it go"-type of advice in this thread), and change your mindset.
/r/seduction07/06/17 07:08 PM
1

Well, for starters, the moment they get successfully "stolen", loyalty no longer applies to these people. But I get what you're saying. There's no real "how-to" to that, as it varies depending on whether or not a "taken" women's relationship is healthy, and to which degree it is healthy. If the woman has a really healthy LTR/marriage, you don't stand much of a chance at that point in time, simply put. If the woman's LTR/marriage is failing, said LTR/marriage could be used as an ASD at one point,…
/r/seduction07/06/17 06:58 PM
2

Y'know, this one's more universal than woman-specific. If you'd want to get rid of someone who's annoying, would you offer to reschedule, or would you just throw the excuse without letting the other party any opportunity to reconvene? Most likely the latter. Similarily, if something unexpected came up, forcing you to be elsewhere at the time of your date, and you wanted to ensure this doesn't mess your chance up, what's the first thing you'd do right after delivering the bad news? You'd go for a…
/r/seduction07/06/17 06:41 PM
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Up the ante, man! Sure, she's being playfully aggressive, but chances are she hopes to get that playful aggressive side out of you as well. Replicate her assertiveness, have fun exchanging "control" if you will. This is a situation where agree and amplify works wonders if teases are thrown. Not only does she want sex, she wants fun, and the more various the levels you can bring that on, the better the end result will be.
/r/seduction07/06/17 02:02 PM
2

Hmm, I thought I was clear on this. I did say that I refused to blame, period. Blaming others (or even yourself) would be labeling yourself as a victim, which would defeat the whole purpose. The energy used blaming can be better invested in doing something productive about the unpleasant situation. Doesn't mean you don't want to reassess yourself and identify the points you could've done better, because that definitely is a must. But there's a difference between this and blaming yourself (ie: pu…
/r/seduction07/06/17 11:54 AM
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It's one of the numerous forms of submission in BDSM. She most likely likes it rough and dirty if she says that. Could be indicative of actual daddy issues as well. Personally, it's a turn on.
/r/seduction06/06/17 09:16 PM
1

And you'll be all the prouder for winning it!
/r/seduction06/06/17 07:14 PM
1

Haha, I wish!
/r/seduction06/06/17 06:54 PM
3

I'm great at making friends when I don't feel pressured There's your key indicator. In other circumstances, you feel pressure coming from somewhere. And I can tell you right off the bat that this pressure comes from yourself. And yes, you can control that. With a lot of work (which is the line everyone hates to hear/read). This won't happen overnight, but this won't happen at all if you don't push yourself to try and not take failure as some sort of dishonor. Failure is for you to analyze so you…
/r/seduction06/06/17 06:49 PM
0

Or is just who I am? Who you are is NOT definitive. In my opinion, there is not a more defeatist position than "Well that's how I am, I can't change that". The reason being: that's bullshit. Focus more on who you want to be than "who you are" and get to that point.
/r/seduction06/06/17 06:46 PM
1

Flirting pretty much comes down to tickling the other person's emotions in a playful way.This leads to a more open form of rapport over time, which is definitely what you want. And there are plenty of ways to do that. Craig Ferguson, who hosted the Late Late Show, is great at doing that, look it up on youtube. He's got it down to a science, and is a walking, living textbook example. Matter of fact, people should also study the entire personage. His posture matches the vibe he goes for at any giv…
/r/seduction06/06/17 04:49 PM
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I won't call you names, but I will point something out. I'm not going to deny that you go through shit in your life. Most people here recovered from pretty shitty predicaments, especially when it comes to mindset and mental health. I did too. But here's when the scales started tipping for me. They started tipping when I decided that I would no longer accept to be a victim of anything. I decided I would refuse to be a victim, by any means, and every mean, necessary. That would be my most importan…
/r/seduction06/06/17 03:26 PM
1

Why would you need to game another willing participant anyway?
/r/seduction06/06/17 03:03 PM
3

I pretty much said that a guy should have multiple women that he's seeing... See, that's the part that would've irked her. You said that A GUY should have multiple WOMEN. You've put all the importance on you while making her look like an option based on the specific dynamics you presented. No self-respecting woman would put up with that. Not saying you don't have a right to believe that, but presenting it in such a way would deter most women. Now, if you would've said that PEOPLE should be able …
/r/seduction06/06/17 02:57 PM
1

The human brain isn't even fully developped at 19. But I'll say this, tho: this is great bait. Perhaps even mastery-level, if you know what I mean.
/r/seduction06/06/17 02:22 PM
2

Don't assume that. A lot of times, the so-called "fuck up" is not nearly as bad as we think it is. If it is bad, then learn from it. If not, then all's good and well. It's all a matter of mindset.
/r/seduction06/06/17 01:04 PM
3

Looks are not the be-all-end-all of seduction. Your problem is not your looks, it's your neediness. Read the sidebar and actually do that stuff.
/r/seduction05/06/17 09:26 PM
1

Not racist at all. If they can't figure out the difference between one's taste in women and actual hate crimes, they need a reality check. Or perhaps you need better friends.
/r/seduction05/06/17 08:33 PM
1

I believe you meant to post that on /r/TheRedPill.
/r/seduction05/06/17 08:29 PM
2

triggered manchild with insecurities Someone has to tell me something here. Every time there's an argument between two redditers, this quoted line invariably gets thrown. What is this, the new "your mom" for sedditers?
/r/seduction05/06/17 08:04 PM
1

Well the benefit is that they may check you out more. Sure, that's a bit of a head start, but that's all it'll do. However, it doesn't necessarily change one's mindset automatically. Do not neglect that aspect just because you get buffed.
/r/seduction05/06/17 06:40 PM
1

I think the better question would be: "Would it help you feel more confident?". If you feel it would, by all means, go ahead. Keep in mind that it's not required, however. If you feel like you'd feel better that way, there's no reason why you should not pursue that endeavor. However, while it may draw eyes towards you, it won't be the miracle solution to secure anything. Just keep that in mind. Do it for you, not for them.
/r/seduction05/06/17 06:31 PM
2

You should focus more on having good sex than being good at sex. See how taking a few words away changes perspective? This is a learning process, nobody can expect you to know all the spots if you've tried none yet. Give yourself a chance now.
/r/seduction05/06/17 05:03 PM
1

Social media value is so overrated... Plus, words have much more value when told in person. All depends how you say it.
/r/seduction05/06/17 04:47 PM
1

To think that quite a sizeable number of people here would love for that scenario to happen to them... Talk about blowing it big time. She wanted the D like nobody else's business, dude!
/r/seduction05/06/17 04:42 PM
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Good call. Even if, and that's a BIG if, it was an excuse, this is no time to doubt. And at least, you took her mind off of her loss for a while. Some may disagree, but I believe there are times when being a decent human takes precedence over being the "top alpha dudebro" around.
/r/seduction05/06/17 03:54 PM
1

Well they don't have to get it, that's the thing. YOU have to get it right. Plus, you don't seem open at all to the advice that was given to you, judging from your sarcasm (ie: "bro bro bro") in "anticipating" our responses. So if you knew what we were going to tell you, and if you're going to react that way to criticism, why even bother asking? You may not want to admit it to yourself, but while you don't "hate" yourself, you certainly don't love yourself either. Just look at the verbiage you u…
/r/seduction02/06/17 01:10 PM
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Nah, it's not your judgement that's to blame. We all did that sort of mistake, some of us even quite a few times before we got it. Just don't always bother with the "why" of things. Trying to find a purely logical reason for an emotionally-driven behavior won't yield much results, unless you're willing to dig deep in human psychology. It's not a must to have an explanation for everything. Let go of what you can't control, simply put.
/r/seduction01/06/17 06:11 PM
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If she explodes and yells like a banshee, she'll make a fool out of herself if you don't react. And do you really want a woman who believes whatever talkshit she hears? I'd say if Emma believes Mary's BS, Mary's actually doing you a huge favor, IMO. But chances are Mary's gonna embarrass herself if she reacts the way you expect her to. Or perhaps she won't react at all. That's a possible outcome as well. Here's the thing: worrying about it without any certainty that the feared outcome will occur…
/r/seduction01/06/17 05:49 PM
0

Via innuendos. Gauge the intensity of those as the conversation goes on. Be aware of how she reacts, and adjust or escalate accordingly.
/r/seduction01/06/17 05:42 PM
1

It's not "simple" to you because of your neediness. If you were not, you wouldn't worry about the outcome. Because it really is that simple.
/r/seduction01/06/17 05:35 PM
3

Funny how people didn't bother to read through. I believe he knows he's been FZ'd. That was solely the context to his epiphany. Below is his actual question. I don't want to be chasing girls ever again. If a girl want me like that it will be cool, but why will I give so much attention to a girl. Best to focus in my stuff and let girls feel like that for me. Am I been delusional for thinking like that? You're definitely not delusional for thinking that you should focus on yourself. That actually …
/r/seduction01/06/17 05:27 PM
1

Seems to me like she wants to bang you. However, you know her, and we don't. Is the poon worth the trouble? That's the big question. Judging from your comments about her, I'd go on a limb and say no. If that's correct, don't even try to understand, as your energy would most definitely be better spent elsewhere. Just accept that she does this as you can't control that, and refuse.
/r/seduction01/06/17 04:52 PM
1

Can't watch YT at the moment, but I've seen quite a bunch of these "ultimate", "defenitive", "sure-fire" threads. I'm always wary when I see those "eye-catching" terms used. If anyone's kind enough to confirm whether this is legit or not, would be great. If not, I'll watch when at home later on.
/r/seduction01/06/17 04:46 PM
5

Usually I split the check w the girl. ...but you've never paid.
/r/seduction01/06/17 04:42 PM
1

The way I see it, you only need to embrace failure, and not see it as "zomg cringe cringe". We all fuck up at times. What you decide to get out of your failures is what's important.
/r/seduction31/05/17 09:56 PM
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As Arnold would say, "DO IT NAAAAOWEUGH!".
/r/seduction31/05/17 09:50 PM
2

You don't realize the disservice you're doing yourself. But since you seem determined on sticking to that "solution", there's no point convincing you otherwise. But there's one obvious question your post begs for: what was the purpose of that post? Hopefully you're not preaching "Stop approaching, call hookers instead!" as a viable option. Or are you?
/r/seduction31/05/17 09:47 PM
1

"Excellent social skills" by itself is not a physical trait, now is it? Creepiness is all in the attitude you have. Looks won't make you any less creepy if you're already socially retarded. And trust me, it's more commonplace than you think. Will looks contribute to a first impression? Sure, but it's not the be-all-end-all. If you can't maintain the image, your looks won't save you. Your point was that creepiness equaled ugliness. Not that the two were not mutually exclusive, you were saying tha…
/r/seduction31/05/17 07:09 PM
1

That is utterly wrong, and the image of the handsome, muscular and confident man is wrongfully ingrained in your brain. If you knew how many good looking guys can't maintain an interesting conversation, you'd be flat on your ass out of your chair. While physical appearance can help with confidence, it most definitely is not the be-all-end-all of confidence. Hence why ugliness and creepiness are two entirely different things. Ugliness MAY amplify creepiness IF creepiness there is, but it IS NOT c…
/r/seduction31/05/17 06:05 PM
1

I doubt just asking her without engaging her first would work. You have to elicit interest from her. And she'll be interested if she believes you're fun and interesting to begin with. From her POV, of course, not yours nor anyone who would've told you that you're a cool dude. As for the crowd, they don't care about you. Return them the favor and do your thing. Don't wait until she gets off, just start a conversation. It's not what you say that matters, but how you say it. Lots of stuff on the si…
/r/seduction31/05/17 03:37 PM
1

I guess it's an unconscious reaction. But it's been demonstrated time and time again that it is, indeed, an IOI. I wouldn't be able to tell the exact science behind it, however. If anyone can, please do.
/r/seduction31/05/17 03:30 PM
1

Looks like you got cougar'd! This scenario isn't exactly the norm, but hey. You take it when it happens! Next time, play along and amplify. Y'know, to leave a print in her mind as well.
/r/seduction31/05/17 03:29 PM
1

It all depends on your capability of dealing with distance, unless you don't plan on seeing thew woman again. It comes down to what your plan is, pretty much. If it's for a girlfriend, make it easy on yourself (and whoever you'll pick up) by remaining not too far from home. Distance makes it hard to keep things going, and can become an irritant with time. If not, then the only limits are your preferences.
/r/seduction31/05/17 03:23 PM
2

The abundance mindset. That scarcity of women available is only in your mind, and its limit is solely imposed by certain beliefs you hold, and that you need to let go of. For example, the concept of "leagues".
/r/seduction31/05/17 03:14 PM
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Why did she play with her hair? IOI. Should you have gone further? Yes. How do you know if she was attracted? Through IOIs. But attraction can go down as quickly as it can go up, if not more quickly. So you have to keep the attraction building going. Don't ever rest on your laurels when it comes to this.
/r/seduction31/05/17 03:11 PM
2

Going easy on you would be doing you a disservice. Here's a list of things that seem problematic in your case: - Oneitis - Neediness - Not creating enough attraction / not raising temperature enough - Wrong mindset All items discussed in links on the sidebar.
/r/seduction30/05/17 09:27 PM
1

The friendzone is not something you should bother with, really. A girl puts you in there? Just figure out what caused that to happen, learn from it, and move on.
/r/seduction30/05/17 02:32 PM
1

Look, anyone giving you shit for calling something by its name is the problem, not you. People who care enough to get mad about how others live their lives have issues to take care of to begin with. But yeah, you have to let go of those preconceived ideas about sexuality, as those are gonna hinder you for a long time if you don't. You can practice how and when to say those words all you like, but if those preconceived notions don't get the boot, you'll still struggle.
/r/seduction30/05/17 02:06 PM
1

Son: "Dad, when I grow up, I want to become a pro hockey player!" Dad: "Two words: Maxim Koposov! Stick to miniputt, son."
/r/seduction30/05/17 01:56 PM
1

So are they aloof, or do they pretend? Looks like two sets of behaviors to me. I have yet to see mine being aloof or mean at all. So if that is their interpretation of pretending, them I'm all for being "suckered in" in this manner. Or perhaps you see "doing their own thing" as being mean?
/r/seduction30/05/17 01:51 PM
2

Calling puts a lot of pressure on her and she often just won't pick up. Do you really want a woman who feels "pressured" because of her phone ringing? No? Then great, she did the filtering for you.
/r/seduction30/05/17 01:43 PM
1

Then my two cats are broken, I guess. I'll keep 'em that way!
/r/seduction30/05/17 01:30 PM
1

You've probably seen all those inspirational quotes and annoying images on Facebook telling you that before succeeding, you have to fail an awful lot of times. Well this holds true here, so yes, it would be somewhat commonplace to see that happen, even when you think all went well. That means you still have something to learn, simply put.
/r/seduction30/05/17 01:27 PM
1

There's a four-letter word you need to ban when it comes to women. Starts by "N".
/r/seduction30/05/17 01:22 PM
2

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then chances are it is a duck. Sounds like a flake to me. And judging from the way you tell your story, you may have come across as needy, and she had no idea how to handle that directly. I'll say scenarios like these happened to me quite often in the past when I came across as needy. They try to "soften the blow" by not being upfront about it, while not realizing that this is a disservice not only to you, but to her as well. Yo…
/r/seduction30/05/17 01:17 PM
1

I remain... unconvinced.
/r/seduction30/05/17 03:04 AM
1

What's wrong with arguing? I mean, that's what we do on reddit either until we understand one another, or until it lands in namecalling land. Which, to me, would've been a waste of time, but hey, that happens.
/r/seduction30/05/17 12:09 AM
1

Ha! Your way of distorting reality for the sake of an internet argument is actually entertaining. If you only took the time to understand my position instead of playing armchair psychologist. I said I couldn't care less about them. Hence why I don't get mad over it, like you do.
/r/seduction29/05/17 11:47 PM
1

So discussing means I have to get my panties up in a bunch over other people's problems? Okay, duly noted.
/r/seduction29/05/17 10:59 PM
1

Mind you, it's merely one way to look at it. I personally don't like making anything or anyone other than myself responsible for my success and failures. That's probably why I look at it this way.
/r/seduction29/05/17 10:43 PM
1

I know how they act. It's just not my problem. Why make it yours?
/r/seduction29/05/17 10:39 PM
2

Exactly. But the other women are not the direct answer. They may be a means to an end when it comes to internalizing the abundance mindset, but they are not the cure themselves. Most of the work comes from you.
/r/seduction29/05/17 09:18 PM
2

Smirk, look at her, "Cutting right to the chase, aren't ya?".
/r/seduction29/05/17 08:43 PM
3

Well, that sounds a bit "red pill"-ish in terms of philosophy. Definitely not putting you in the same group as they are, but that sounds like something they usually say. I personally wouldn't consider that as an absolute. I mean, sure, more mature women will be more inclined into settling down, but that's all it is: incline. Doesn't mean they can't decide to go the other way either. And it certainly doesn't mean they won't react the same to things that get them invested emotionally. And for the …
/r/seduction29/05/17 08:33 PM
3

Well it's something we don't see everyday. You could be winning points for novelty, and the fact that it makes for an exciting activity. As long as you use the emotions it would elicit to your advantage, I'd say it's a good call.
/r/seduction29/05/17 08:22 PM
1

I believe most people will agree that you should have embraced it and taken it for what it was, without worrying too much about it. Sometimes, you have to let go of the need to logically understand what happens, especially when emotions run this game.
/r/seduction29/05/17 08:20 PM
2

Or is that a band-aid, rather? Internalizing the proper mindset is the cure, IMO.
/r/seduction29/05/17 08:07 PM
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Age has nothing to do with it, to be quite honest. It's a matter of focus and mindset. Your focus should be on your own happiness, and no single solitary woman on this planet represents that. As for the mindset, you probably already know the answer, and it's a matter of time, patience, and effort internalizing the proper mindset. Won't happen overnight, but consistency is key.
/r/seduction29/05/17 08:06 PM
1

Tell me, though, who are you really trying to convince here?
/r/seduction29/05/17 07:59 PM
1

Gossip is something you need to remain above and pay no attention to. It doesn't go away as you grow older, sadly. So do yourself a favor and yank that variable out of the equation. You'll thank yourself later for that. Now, as for the girl being shy, you'll need to make her comfortable first and foremost. Lighthearted humor would be your tool of choice here. Same goes with the friend. It's all a matter of eliciting the proper emotions.
/r/seduction29/05/17 07:55 PM
1

Ah gotcha! I see what you aimed at, then.
/r/seduction29/05/17 07:36 PM
2

Those are her words, her interpretation. What speaks louder than words? Actions. Or rather in this case, inaction towards her and her claims. While I'll admit there's no exact science on the matter, I'd say that trying to "fix" an awkward situation in the way you wanna go about will make it worse. Best thing is to let it die. If people bring it up, you can be honest and say "Well yeah, I called her, but it looks like she had the wrong idea. Water under the bridge as far as I go.". If she makes a…
/r/seduction29/05/17 06:44 PM
2

Great work. The only thing I fear from articles like these is that people may think it's sort of a "one-size-fits-all", which it shouldn't be in my opinion. I mean, we don't want copycats all around the place, we want people to adapt the main principles to their own personalities. The point that seems to be the worst offender is the hobbies point. Only 3 fields seem quite narrow, and if people take that to heart, they may try to get into things they don't really like, which would show when "demo…
/r/seduction29/05/17 06:16 PM
1

Sounds like you're relying more on gimmicks (negging & shit testing) than your own self. You're faking it but haven't made it yet, it seems. You should ask yourself why you're using these, and perhaps more importantly, are you using these appropriately, both in methodology and timing? Overuse of these gimmicks will reveal them for what they are: gimmicks that conceal something. And that girl seems to be seeing right through that. So as others said, remain authentic while remaining confident and …
/r/seduction29/05/17 05:50 PM
4

The only time I get rejected is when I persue. That sounds like the Homer Simpson motto: "You tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is never try.". See how silly that is?
/r/seduction29/05/17 05:02 PM
0

Yeah, because in the real world, "AWALT" is real, right? And "unicorns" is your safe word to all who would dare deny that, right? A truth too simple is no truth at all. You'll find that out soon enough. Or perhaps you won't.
/r/seduction29/05/17 04:43 PM
2

Google searches are sources now? How the art of debating has fallen...
/r/seduction29/05/17 04:41 PM
2

So many numbers and percentage symbols, so little sources.
/r/seduction29/05/17 04:40 PM
2

It's a preconceived idea, no matter how hard you try to deny it. Perhaps your red pill friends would agree with you. Doesn't make them right, tho...
/r/seduction29/05/17 04:38 PM
1

Then I'd be curious to know why it worked for me...
/r/seduction26/05/17 07:33 PM
0

There's no interest in keeping this in the public eye. Check your PMs later on.
/r/seduction26/05/17 07:06 PM
2

They are not even that better than me I guess. Well there's one thing they've got better than you, and that's the mindset. Internalize that, act in accordance to it. The rest will eventually become second nature. Consistency is key, tho.
/r/seduction26/05/17 06:35 PM
0

Y'know, I feel like you'll get that shit the wrong way (again) and jump to conclusions (again), so let me explain the joke and drain it of its silliness by the same token. Me saying that your mileage may vary if your name is not Martin simply meant that you should use your own name in a joking manner, as if the person would've copied the quote litterally. Y'know, the same way you took it all litterally. You don't like it? "Not funny" to you? Your own prerogative.
/r/seduction26/05/17 06:26 PM
1

You technically "can", but it would most likely not yield the expected results.
/r/seduction26/05/17 06:21 PM
0

Wouj... is there a day that goes by when you don't confuse different strokes for different folks with "bad advice"? That's all you seem to reply to every thread in the sub you personally disagree with. So much for "the truth being somewhere between two opinions". The specification about my own name was a joke. Sorry you did not catch it. Feel free to tell me how "wrong" I am now. That should be your cue at this point, correct?
/r/seduction26/05/17 06:16 PM
2

"Hi, I'm Martin!" :) Your mileage may vary if your name is not Martin, tho... Just pointing that out.
/r/seduction26/05/17 05:31 PM
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First, remove the quotes from suffer. That shit happens, it really does. Anybody judging you on that matter is an ignorant fuck, IMO. Second, not a good idea to pick up in that state of mind. You say you want to have a better life? Getting a woman in your life is not necessarily "a better life", as opposed to what our society makes us believe. It's a byproduct of having a satisfying life, rather. Your current issues should be taken care of, first and foremost. Seduction is a matter of mindset at…
/r/seduction26/05/17 05:29 PM
1

But if she doesn’t answer your calls, and mistreats you, so do the same. Gotta say this raised eyebrows over here. Especially the idea of mistreating her back. Sounds a bit red-pillish. That's one thing not to tolerate mistreatment, as nobody should put up with that. That's an entirely different ballgame to play her game and enter a potential cycle of negativity. I may be missing something here, but that kinda piqued my curiosity.
/r/seduction26/05/17 05:19 PM
1

I think you need to ask yourself if she has to be your number one focus in life. My opinion is that she doesn't. Sounds harsh, right? But her number one focus in her life is... well, her life. And yours should be yours. Your life has much, much more than "this one girl" to offer, and that's what you have to keep in mind. If the girl stays in your life, cool! Unlikely in this day and age, but definitely cool if it happens. However, she shouldn't be what your life revolves around. From your perspe…
/r/seduction26/05/17 05:13 PM
1

Before going for the hug, you gotta make sure you have at the very least a bit of rapport going on, and that you were able to "tickle" her emotionally, whether that be by playful teasing, or by getting her invested in the conversation (ergo, by displaying genuine interest in what makes her tick). See how she responds to lower-level kino first, I'd say. If she's into it, then you can consider the hug within your next steps. One thing to make it easier is to ensure the mood's lightened up as much …
/r/seduction26/05/17 05:01 PM
1

Depends on the man's temper, IMO. I can see this in the bedroom, sure. But as far as the rest of the relationship goes, I have a hard time figuring out how that could work out .
/r/seduction26/05/17 04:54 PM
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Go for stuff you don't know, and that can genuinely spark your interest. That's key in order to chain topics and have opportunities to build/break rapport. Generally, the more you try to plan that ahead, the less fluid the conversation will be. And you definitely want the conversation to be fluid.
/r/seduction26/05/17 04:50 PM
5

As long as you don't fall in the oneitis trap and keep control of things, this situation should be salvageable.
/r/seduction26/05/17 04:16 PM
1

The end-goal of pickup is mastery of all aspects of our mating ritual. What is done when said mastery is achieved by someone is entirely up to that person.
/r/seduction26/05/17 04:01 PM
4

Question here: have you been able to pinpoint what triggered the cold shoulder from her to begin with during the relationship? Could it perhaps have been neediness from you that would've pushed her back? That would make sense to me, as she seems to come back now that you don't come off as needy. Right now, I believe you should be re-evaluating what you'd truly want out of this. Rekindle the relationship? Just bang her brains out? Manage your expectations, and then, in accordance to the results, …
/r/seduction26/05/17 03:53 PM
1

I'm not sure if cutting her off has helped at all? It has. Just not in the way you'd like at this precise moment. But it has. I feel like the fact she cant got more than 48 hours without contacting me in some form says that there may be at least an inkling of attraction or am I reading into that too much? Well it's basic push/pull, really. She's looking for quick validation. You may not want to give her all that she wants. You can use that to tease her and joke around. You're in a great spot to …
/r/seduction26/05/17 03:14 PM
2

Well, one thing to keep in mind is that social dynamics (at least in developped countries) don't really push for women to do these sort of "first moves". Those moves are usually initiated by men. So yeah, there MAY be a few women that would break the mold, but they're the exception rather than the rule. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you hold expectations that women should come to you. Now I won't question as to why you'd have these expectations, but I'll tell you right now: you…
/r/seduction26/05/17 01:50 PM
1

Use that window, however small it is. Your weapon of choice should be humor for the time being. You need to leave the impression that you're at least charming. If you're good enough, you could buy yourself a tad wee bit more time by going this route. But yeah, the context doesn't really favor a long conversation, for sure. However, asking her out without creating anything at all will be akin to shooting yourself in the foot.
/r/seduction26/05/17 01:20 PM
1

Seems more like a matter of culture, in my opinion. I personally don't see this go over well in North Am, again because of culture.
/r/seduction26/05/17 12:56 PM
1

Wat.
/r/seduction26/05/17 12:50 PM
2

Why wouldn't it be okay? There are no laws prohibiting you from doing it. If you can game your dentist properly, go for it. However, do NOT wait for her at the end of her shift. That's the part that would scream needy and creepy. Game her during the appointments (preferably when she's not messing with your mouth, that is), and if it works, THEN ask her out.
/r/seduction26/05/17 12:48 PM
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Well, one way of looking at it would be that it's potentially an easy conversation starter/topic. What I'll say, though, is that the "promise" bit at the end could've been replaced by something less needy.
/r/seduction26/05/17 02:27 AM
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At least, he approached. Which is more than what can be said of a lot of people on this sub.
/r/seduction26/05/17 02:23 AM
1

While the excuses really are excuses, they seem to water things down a lot, especially when it comes to what we all know about attraction. Most likely to remain PC.
/r/seduction25/05/17 09:09 PM
1

Words and actions are not always in line with one another. You'd be better off making sure for yourself. And as I said, if she was into you that much, she'd find a way to get you alone, or at least follow you if you'd lead her away.
/r/seduction25/05/17 09:06 PM
1

Indeed. No hard feelings.
/r/seduction25/05/17 09:03 PM
1

I'll concede that it could've been clearer, fair enough. Eh, I fail sometimes. :P
/r/seduction25/05/17 09:00 PM
1

Well it's a matter of mindset, first and foremost. If you keep in mind that chances that she's the one are slim, and you not only leave yourself opened to other options but also expose yourself to those other options, you're on to a good start. As I said, abundance mentality is paramount. Don't act as if she's your last hope; treat this episode as a life lesson, and see what else is available. It's really when you choose to close yourself to other options that you get stuck in oneitis. You'll ha…
/r/seduction25/05/17 08:57 PM
1

Oh, granted, it depends on how you ignore them too. But it appears that we have different experiences. You choosing to interpret it as "bad advice" is your own prerogative, really. So much bitterness on this sub.
/r/seduction25/05/17 08:50 PM
2

If she wanted to hookup with you, she'd find ways around her friends, trust me. Are you sure you're not over-estimating the IOIs she's giving you?
/r/seduction25/05/17 07:59 PM
2

"But I was hooked" Look no further. Oneitis. She's not the problem.
/r/seduction25/05/17 07:51 PM
2

If they were "alpha", they would've made the moves on her already. These guys are most likely learning as you are. That's high school we're talking about here, so it's not like they know everything about game. So I wouldn't be afraid of them "stealing" her. Speaking of which, perhaps the term "stealing" isn't all that accurate, as she's not "yours" per se. First thing first, you gotta take care of the confidence issue, and that's done by actually taking action. Don't be afraid to fail, and chanc…
/r/seduction25/05/17 07:46 PM
3

The few points that are correct in this article are just common sense. Oddly enough, it seems like they switched translators halfway through.
/r/seduction25/05/17 07:35 PM
1

Well, you over-drama'd the whole thing. As much as women may like talking about or being involved in drama, it's an absolute turn-off for them when men are involved in it. While your wing was certainly clumsy in his approach, there is always a way to recover. Best way to squash drama is with humor. You could've approached your crush, and if that was brought up, turn it all into a lighthearted joke as in "Bet he was trying to get it for himself! Can't say I blame him, tho." And then switch it to …
/r/seduction25/05/17 07:03 PM
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Slighted or ignored, huh? What do women do when they feel ignored by interesting men, again? They chase. And that's what you actually want her to do. Give a bit just so you don't completely leave her out, but as diskempt said, delay your responses more and more. Appear to be busy as well.
/r/seduction25/05/17 06:48 PM
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Don't even think about the previous friendzone thing. Leave it in the past and don't even mention it. Replicate the sexual intent with innuendos, teasing. You've got a nice window to escalate, so you gotta take the opportunity without a single afterthought. Thinking too much can get you too anxious, so yeah, go with the flow, but only the flow you'll create. If she's trying to get your attention like you described, it shouldn't be too hard to reframe the whole thing to your liking.
/r/seduction25/05/17 05:17 PM
1

Well given that submission in sex, from a BDSM standpoint, can range from a game to an actual way of life, I'd say that your mileage will vary depending on who you ask.
/r/seduction25/05/17 04:59 PM
2

Stick with the first one. This is exactly like checkout lanes at the grocery store. If you've chosen one, stick to it because the moment you move to a lane that has less people, it WILL get stuck and the lane you were at WILL pass customers faster. This is a scientifically-demonstrated fact of life. Well at least, from my experience. :) But you get the deal: if you're about to close, close and leave the hot trap alone. You'll have other shots.
/r/seduction25/05/17 04:03 PM
3

No, I am just wondering how would someone else's own issues induce that sort of angry response from you? What is it in the fact that someone's self-confidence is at an all-time low that affects you so badly? I mean, let's face it: we all had to deal with that in one capacity or another. Some of us still are. Some of us are coming to terms with the fact that they have to take action. But I don't get angry over that. I do feel a tad wee bit sad, though, as I know how debilitating the mindset is. D…
/r/seduction24/05/17 08:18 PM
1

Well... something more productive than that, at least. While the solution to these issues may seem logical, keep in mind that things like anxiety fucks our logic up, or at least interferes with it heavily.
/r/seduction24/05/17 07:28 PM
2

Just out of curiosity, any reason why self-pity triggers you that bad? Legit question.
/r/seduction24/05/17 07:16 PM
1

If that's the games she play at this stage, imagine which ones she'd play at any later step. She seems like a waste of time and energy. Focus elsewhere.
/r/seduction19/05/17 03:17 AM
2

Love it! The great thing about this is that this incredibly simple concept expands to domains other than seduction. No doubt, it's hard work. But it could be your best work. Think about it.
/r/seduction17/05/17 09:15 PM
1

You told her it's a "Hail Mary"... you told her... it's a "Hail Mary"... No disrespect meant here, OP, but are you out of your mind?!? Why would you go and gleefully shoot yourself in the dick like that? Because that's exactly what you did! As it's been stated before, your defeatist mindset is the core of the issue. Tell me something: why should these "stuck up women" settle for this portrayal of yourself when there are much more appealing options nearby in terms of confident/assertive/exciting …
/r/seduction17/05/17 09:03 PM
1

You're reading way too much into this, my friend. Had a few of my girlfriends calling me "dude", and I just called them "dude" back when it happened. Gotta make sure the girl's pretty laid back, tho, but if they went and called you "dude", chances are that she is. But all in all, it's just something she says. It means nothing when it comes to attraction / seduction per se.
/r/seduction17/05/17 08:45 PM
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