"Nice Guy" More feminist musing on nice guys.

qwerty133 · 2011-12-22T20:45:11+00:00

It's a complicated issue, but one thing that sticks out to me here is that at least some of the time, this "nice guy" meme is just a Just World Fallacy. A woman sees a guy who conforms to the things they say they want in a man and treats her well, but lacks confidence and forcefulness and all the other primal things women are actually attracted to, and so is not attracted to him (perhaps even though she realizes that she "should" be, going by her own stated criteria). This needs an explanation that doesn't make her feel bad, and that explanation is that all the nice things he does for her are actually "manipulations", so not only is he not nice, he is actually a jerk, and whatever other good qualities he might have are similarly transformed into negative versions of themselves that can be applied liberally and vaguely. In this way, the fact that the "nice guy" is unappreciated is retroactively made just, because he is actually bad, and we all breathe a sigh of relief as justice is restored and female egos are protected. Men are even more "shallow" than women in their sexual attractions, but a man is more likely to simply admit without issue that he is attracted to the sexually appealing woman, than to have a need to protect his ego by vilifying the sexually unattractive one.

That said, the whole "nice guy" issue is such a clusterfuck of people rushing to place different things under one recently popular word so there probably are some legitimately manipulative "nice guys" being labelled as such, among the guys who made the mistake of believing what they were told women like, and all sorts of other guys.

LivingDaylight · 2011-12-22T15:28:50+00:00

In my experience the whole "nice guy" phenomenon is due to the difference between what women say they want in a mate and what they actually want.

They say they want a guy to hold the door, call them beautiful, buy them things, etc., but what they really want is an unapologetically masculine man who is confident and sure of himself. Obviously I'm overgeneralising here but that is the gist of it.

What women say they want is constantly portrayed in movies and literature because the fantasy appeals to women.

That said I'm not sure how this related to men's rights. I actually agree with a lot of the things she says in this piece.

2011-12-22T20:23:20+00:00

So she just showed that women [even feminists] aren't attracted to beta characteristics.

I bet she says game isn't real too, lol.

2011-12-22T17:31:18+00:00

This page has little white dots floating over the text (snow?). Whoever implemented that is a total idiot.

THEAdrian · 2011-12-22T15:27:28+00:00

conclusion: feminists are just women that either get hit on way too much and hate men for it, or don't get hit on enough and hate men for it

ghebert001 · 2011-12-22T16:13:56+00:00

These are the same women who will go into a murderous rage if any guy would ever dare reject them. They think the wet hole between their legs is a prize that any man should consider himself lucky to even be in the presence of.

ta1ntdude · 2011-12-26T00:28:54+00:00

Okay lets recap this. Guy hits on girl, doesn't work complains girls don't like nice guys. Woman accuses guys of complaining when girls don't act the way they want them to. Woman goes on to write an article complaining about guys not acting the way they want them to. TL:DR BALANCE AND ORDER RESTORED TO THE UNIVERSE

Cybercommie · 2012-01-09T16:37:29+00:00

Why should I reply to this on her terms? She have nothing to offer humanity other than sexual hatred, I do not consider her to have any redeeming human qualites at all.

Title	"Nice Guy" More feminist musing on nice guys.
Author	thetrollking
Upvotes	6
Comments	18
Date	December 22, 2011 2:56 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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