Elam vs Frost: Round 2 - Frost Speaks

ignatiusloyola · 2011-11-01T11:25:12+00:00

I reject game as a personal choice because my goal is not to have relationships with "top tier" women, but rather simply to explore relationships. I am specifically not interested or attracted to the types of women who require studying Game to interact with successfully.

The journey of the relationship is much more satisfying for me than the end result of having sex, though sex is a nice addition. I have learned a great deal from all of my relationships. After each one, I find myself wiser and more capable of handling future relationships - and many of the things that I learned would not have occurred to me if I was not involved in a serious relationship.

I reject when women use their "wiles" on me, because I find it manipulative and insincere. Why would I learn my own wiles in order to do the same in return?

girlwriteswhat · 2011-11-01T15:19:18+00:00

I have to admit, Game in conjunction with PUA makes me uneasy. No one wants to feel like they can be easily played, or like they're a Pavlovian dog, right? And frankly, it does make me uncomfortable when men use emotional trickery to run roughshod over women, and Game can totally be used to do this.

Then again, women manipulate men too. Push-up bras and make-up are essentially ways women make themselves seem more attractive than they actually are. And just because women try to manipulate men into committing rather than getting into bed, doesn't make it any more noble, when you really think about it.

As for Frost's assertion that Game is the most valuable weapon in the war on feminism...nope. Not unless every single man can realistically pull it off. I'm more of the mind that Gamers and MGTOW combined are a huge tool in shifting society back toward some middle ground. You have PUAs representing the ruthless CEOs out to fleece the masses for all they can, and the MGTOW as the erstwhile valuable employees who are now working to rule. Both groups can put a serious squeeze on the middle, even if they aren't formally working together.

ProWomanAntiFeminist · 2011-11-01T16:03:40+00:00

Frost has convinced me that Game has absolutely nothing positive to offer men.

Bobsutan · 2011-11-02T03:58:11+00:00

I see it two sides of the same coin in respect to relationships. On the Men's (Rights) Movement side of things we discuss the risks of relationships, marriage, and all the stuff that can affect men in a negative way as a result of the changes in laws and society. Game tells men how to have relationships on their terms so they hopefully don't fall victim to the stuff MRAs talk about. This is why I've been saying it for years now that Qualification is so important when it comes to Game. That's what keeps guys from "not sticking their dick in crazy."

MRM = awareness and an agent of social change
Game = skills for navigating the battlefield without stepping on a mine

Title	Elam vs Frost: Round 2 - Frost Speaks
Author	avoiceformen
Upvotes	5
Comments	11
Date	November 1, 2011 9:12 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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