Immaturity of today's male tied to rise of feminism

chavelah · 2011-03-18T19:44:42+00:00

They need to define "Growing Up (tm)". From that article, it sounded like their definition was "behaving to woman's expectations". I watch South Park. I play my XBox 360, and I get my World of Warcraft on. I also pull down enough that my wife can stay home with the kids and everyone is provided for. In short, I meet my responsibilities and do what I enjoy. That boring woman can suck it. :)

rantgrrl · 2011-03-18T20:20:48+00:00

As for the child-man, happily taking the slow road to adulthood, maybe his failure to “man up’’ is less feminism’s fault than the culture’s willingness to indulge him.

... and with the final line, Kate Tuttle shows how utterly disconnected she really is from the entire debate.

rogersmith25 · 2011-03-19T06:05:27+00:00

Young men are not immature. This sort of narrative has gone far enough.

For some reason, there is this trend to paint the modern couple like "Knocked Up" -- a fat useless stoner marrying a beautiful capable careerwoman. Well, that's only the case if you grab someone useless from one demographic and someone capable from another.

Furthermore, the notion that men are immature and women are sophisticated is absurd. Gaming is often cited as a man-child hobby; but games are not just for children any more. Gaming is no more immature than movies. Not to mention the level of sophistication of technology driving such games -- PhD theses and scholarly publications are written on the topic. As well, many popular "cartoons" provide some of the most intelligent and biting satire on television (Simpsons, South Park, Archer etc)

Contrast that with a more female (and supposedly sophisticated) hobby like reading: not that sophisticated when the book is Twilight. And women consume much more television than men -- and it's often reality-TV drivel.

Speaking of reality-TV, the "romance porn" consumed by women through shows faux-reality shows like "The Bachelor(ette)" and prime-time soaps like Gray's Anatomy sets young women up with the same unrealistic expectations of relationships that hardcore porn does to men about sex.

The real problem here comes from the fact that young women have unrealistic expectations. They have inflated opinions of themselves and their own sophistication -- as if purchasing a few pieces of mass-produced IKEA art elevates their apartments above the utilitarian living-spaces of their male peers.

As well, they have been raised on a feminist diet of gender warfare, seeking out opportunities to feel superior to their mates. They mistake their arrogance as confidence and their confrontational interactions as leadership. Rather than conclude that they are unpleasant, they conclude that their male peers are simply too immature to understand them.

And please, don't misunderstand me -- this is not true of all young women; many of them are intelligent, lovely and wonderful to be around. But, of course, these women never complain about the quality of men available to date, because they choose from the cream of the crop!

TL;DR Good men pair off with good women. Bad women complain in between Stephanie Meyer novels.

chall85 · 2011-03-19T00:02:18+00:00

It's obvious that no one here read the article, which is a book review, very critical of the book's arguments. Comments here are quoting statements from the reviewer that are critical of the book and it's claim that men are "immature". I don't understand where any of these comments come from, except that people didn't read the article and are confused about what a book review is.

"[The author's] zeal to somehow tie women’s educational and economic advances to this perceived downward spiral in men’s maturity levels leads her to make wild claims."

Hymowitz, a scholar at the right-leaning Manhattan Institute, can be hilarious ... but too often her cleverness is drenched in a bitter, or even bizarre, reading of modern feminism.

And this, in the first paragraph:

The demographic, economic, and social causes and consequences are up for debate, however, and in “Manning Up,’’ author Kay S. Hymowitz argues vigorously, if wrong-headedly, that most of the blame can be laid upon the women’s movement.

BolshevikMuppet · 2011-03-20T08:15:06+00:00

Correlation does not prove causation. Don't say something is "tied" unless you can actually show a causal "tie" between them. Otherwise, we just know that both went up concurrently. Maybe one caused the other, maybe both were caused by the same thing, maybe it's coincidence.

redox000 · 2011-03-18T16:35:08+00:00

Men aren't interested in "settling down" anymore. Why should they be? Over 50% of marriages end in divorce, and for men, divorce means losing half of your stuff, child support, alimony, and not seeing your kids grow up.

BolshevikMuppet · 2011-03-18T18:17:51+00:00

Men used to have to "man up" to take care of women. Now women can take care of themselves, so why do men need to grow up? Watch Mad Men - sure it looks glamorous on TV, but wouldn't those guys have a lot more fun if they were playing XBox and smoking weed?

Women thought that when they were finally independent and strong that they would be equals to the men and would be living amoung them. Turns out that they should've just gotten a sex change if they wanted that - instead the men've decided to just not grow up and the women are alone in their desire to be adults. This thrusts them directly into "mother" roles, which obviously isn't what they envisioned.

Allow this to keep progressing in the way it is and we'll go through an era where women rule everything and treat the men in their life like children until the men want to be equal again. Hopefully at sometime in the future, it will equalize. Men will never be 'men' again until women are 'women' again, which means that the romanticized characters from Mad Men are gone forever.

The women who cannot get past that false expectation will be just as unhappy as some of the men here who cannnot get past the false expectation of women to be Betty Draper again.

I envision a time, probably far in the future, when the plays of balances have worn out and we all just hang out like the characters on Friends. Those characters were, what, 35 and still behaving like children? That's the future.

Fatalistic · 2011-03-18T15:37:06+00:00

More man-blaming, of course.

IHaveALargePenis · 2011-03-18T17:22:56+00:00

Okay I was going to talk about why getting married is a pretty bad idea, but fuck that. What I find hilarious is these fucking women demanded they be given their own freedom, free from society's expectations of them. Now that they have them, they're criticizing men for basically doing the same thing.

You don't want to be a pregnant housewife your entire life doing what you're told? Fine with me, but don't fucking turn around and tell me what to do or how to fucking behave. You ladies need husbands? That's not my problem, I'm going to go live my life and you go ahead and live yours. Remember, you're strong and independent. You don't need a man.

BolshevikMuppet · 2011-03-18T13:37:13+00:00

[Men are] confused about how chivalrous to be on a date because he’s been “chewed out by a female colleague’’ for holding open an office door, and who feels unnecessary to members of “the vibrator-powered womanhood of today.’’

thetrollking · 2011-03-19T00:43:02+00:00

I got fed up with what this article complains about: video-game-playing, pot-smoking, no-interest-in-marriage man-children, so I started telling guys up-front that I am dating with the intention to settle down, not "have fun." Turned off most guys, of course.

I am now dating an Indian guy. He has a reasonable timeline (officially moving in together after dating a year) he's ambitious, wants marriage and kids, pays the check on most dates, pretty much everything a girl could want. I honestly don't know why women keep rewarding bad behavior with easy sex.

2011-03-19T03:59:24+00:00

I expected a retread of Kay Hymowitz, and the second paragraph did not disappoint.

thetrollking · 2011-03-18T15:04:11+00:00

We need to bomb the shit out of that comment section.

Title	Immaturity of today's male tied to rise of feminism
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