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Have any of you had a LTR where you had an agreement to see other women but she only saw you? (not just a plate, like the mother of your kids serious)

Bethefuture9

April 26, 2016
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Title Have any of you had a LTR where you had an agreement to see other women but she only saw you? (not just a plate, like the mother of your kids serious)
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Bethefuture9

Upvotes 21
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Date April 26, 2016 9:47 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

unlikely to happen in the west, but i had a deal like this in asia. she came to me and basically said she knew i was going to probably have other girls on the side but she didn't want to know about it, or be involved in any drama, and wanted me to promise i was not going to run off with any of them.

[–]bornredd4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My ex and I had this sort of arrangement. It was due to a major SMV difference, impeccable frame, and true DGAF attitude.

She caught me cheating, broke up with me, got back together in a week. The agreement after that was "tell me if you're fucking other girls." She'd get real pissed off, but was always back for more.

It went on for 5 years before I met someone who wasn't a total shut in and had the kind of responsible, giving mindset that I required for a super LTR/Marriage. The break up was ugly, but she's settled in with a nice BB now, even though she still sends me facebook messages every 6 months or so asking to be "friends".

Personally I found her knowing as a source of stress because of her resulting behavior.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen women who are happily married even though they know their husband is unfaithful.

However, its never overt cheating/flirting. Also the husbands in question are giving attention and resources to the wife. I believe that's the most important part. Women can be OK with non exclusivity as long as there isn't resources and/or attention lost to the wife.

I'd suggest not being open about it. If you have a mistress, keep it private and don't get attached. Mistresses have their place. Sex without time or financial commitment.

[–]CypherWolf215 points6 points7 points 10 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

If you want to work that kind of scenario - it's not gonna happen as an outright agreement unless your SMV is miles higher than hers - aka masterful game or major fame.

A more reasonable scenario would be (assuming your cheating in an LTR with kids) to simply neither confirm nor deny any specific commitment in the relationship while still implying she stay faithful. Then ensuring you keep your side pieces secret (from her, any family and all third parties) and under wraps. She'll probably suspect something but turn a blind eye if you pull it off right.

[–]Clint_Redwood7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

High SMV is required but you don't have to be Donald Trump. It's entirely dependent on the circumstances and how much she wants you.

I've been seeing a single mom, 30, yes i know TRP blastphemy and she has hands down been the best plate I've ever had. Here is the thing though, the situation is heavily favored for me. I don't want kids. I don't ever want to get married. She knows this. It makes her want me more over the months. People desire what they can't have.

Finally we had the talk, "Listen, we've had a great __ Months together but you know I don't want to ever get married or have kids and i definitely don't want to raise some other guys kid. If that's what you are looking for, I'm not your guy. I understand if you don't want to continue this, do whats best for you and your kid."

Any dude that's got experience knows exactly what her decision will be, and it ain't the one that's best for her or her kid. But that's not your problem, she's an adult, she can make her own life choices.

This is just an example of a single mom but the mechanics behind it are power plays, Machiavellian and exploiting situations to your benefit. Get a girl addicted to you and they'll pretty much agree to anything. You just have to give the hamster a wheel to spin on. Now she has a 'reason' for why we aren't committed. That's all they care about, plausible deniability.

The best part about being totally honest and straight with a girl is it saves you a ton if shit ever goes nuclear. Oh she's pissed that I'm fucking another girl. Ya she agreed to this. Oh she's bad mouthing me to my friends for fucking other girls, laugh and mock it, "Ha, she knew the entire time. I don't fuck around or lie to my girls" Being direct and honest is viewed as highly valuable and the most politically correct thing you can do. If you get shamed just pressure flip it, "She's an adult, I was completely honest from the start, are you saying she's immature or can't make her own life decisions? She's a mother, how can you judge her like that?!"

[–]CypherWolf210 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think we're mostly in agreement. You don't need to be Trump but it wouldn't hurt. You would probably need to be Don Draper to pull it off out in the open.

You're scenario however is wildly different. It's not you're kid which is the main point of difference. As such you can easily "slip out the back jack" whenever you want. Aka you have major hand. When it's your own kid - you really can't afford shit blowing up - therefore a smoother hand is required.

[–]Clint_Redwood0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes, OP doesn't state that he has kids, but if he does then yes, his hand is heavily skewed to him being fucked. Once kids are in the picture the woman owns you.

[–]Bethefuture9[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I want kids without a doubt, that's the dilemma. I have high SMV.

[–]Clint_Redwood1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You can have kids but she'll probably want to get married for that, just know the consequences. She'll own you.

[–]Bethefuture9[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is there any way to escape being owned? She is not american, I don't necessarily plan to stay in the states.

[–]Clint_Redwood0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not really qualified to advise you on that. You'll have to check the laws for which ever country she is a citizen of, then whichever country you are a citizen of and if they have any marriage laws that both enforce across boarders.

[–]idgaf-0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Started seeing a cool single mom and I may have to deal with this eventually.

Thanks for the perspective.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Male jealousy is inherent, female jealousy is cultural (because there is no such thing as maternity fraud).

This means that this sort of thing can work... but usually in either a very male-dominant culture (Islamic, etc), or a very male-dominant relationship. If the woman perceives the side chick(s) as "not a threat", jealousy can very quickly vanish.

You need tight game, though, because other women will explode in fury (they don't want their own men getting ideas), and try to shame her into putting a leash on you. So she has to care way more about what you think than what other women think.

Also, it will not last if you're using high SMV to leverage it on her. She may put up with it for a while to keep you, but eventually she'll break down crying in the parking lot one day, and then over and over again until she's gone. You have to actually get her buy-in.

If you actually do get that buy-in, though, women are perfectly capable of being happy with that.

Male jealousy is the fear that someone else will fuck your girl.

Female jealousy is the fear that the other girl he's fucking will steal him from you.

[–]Wolfwoodd1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I'm in a fully open marriage. I like it that way. I feel shitty when I'm out on dates and my wife is at home by herself. She hates being alone. It's much better for everyone when she has somebody else to spend time with while I'm out.

There are other benefits. If my wife wants to do something that I don't want to do (i.e. craft fairs, etc), then she takes a boyfriend. Everybody wins.

Anyway, I just wanted to add a different perspective.

[–]Bethefuture9[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

How do you deal with the jealousy?

[–]Wolfwoodd0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Managing multiple relationships (i.e. spinning plates) killed my jealousy long before I ever met my wife. I started learning pickup in 2006. By 2008, I had a rotation of 2-3 girls at any given time. It forced me to get better at the fundamentals of relationship management. I learned how to lead and how to avoid all the common guy screw-ups.

After awhile, I realized that this lifestyle made me really happy. I eventually found a girl who had similar views (and life goals).. and that's how I ended up happily married.

The first reason I don't get jealous is because I'm not insecure. I know my own value. I've worked hard to improve myself and have gotten results.

The second reason I don't get jealous is because my wife and I have the same views on non-monogamy. Niether of us have any interest in going monogamous, so I don't worry about that. If my wife finds somebody who's awesome to date, then that's a win for everybody. Her boyfriends tend to become my drinking buddies / wingmen.

The third reason, is that my wife and I have been together and non-monogamous for over 5 years and nothing bad has happened. Just the opposite, the last five years have been amazing. We work really well together and have all the same kinks and there's very little drama.. I've been living the dream.. what do I have to be jealous of? My life is awesome.

[–]Bethefuture9[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

do you have kids? any rules about banging?

I have been spinning plates for ages, lots of confidence as well, still a bit hard to get rid of the jealousy for me. I am way more in control than most but the idea of my lady with another dude just fucks with my head a bit. She is also very prime for SMV, a solid 8-9, 23, guys constantly hitting on her. Myself 31, also constantly hit on by ladies. Just worried that it will fuck up a good thing. Guess you just gotta go for it sometimes, only live once. ha

[–]Wolfwoodd0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No kids. My wife is 6 years younger than me and not in any rush.

Very basic rules about banging: 1) play safe and 2) don't be an asshole. There's a solid foundation of trust and good communication, so more rules aren't really necessary.

[–]ECTD0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

He's a cuck, clearly, jealously is turned into sexual frustration...

[–][deleted] 2 points2 points2 points 10 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]verify_account1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Does your wife's boyfriend know you're posting this?

Btw thank you for making memes real.

[–]ECTD-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Omfg I lold so hard after reading that

[–]ECTD-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Clearly not if you question my understanding of a simple word; please enlighten men oh, holy cucked-one.

The whole everybody wins thing is horse shit. She can have arts and crafts friends without the need for supplanting your dick in her pussy. Simple.

On the other hand, if there wasn't much to supplant... clearly the new guy does a better job. The whole hypergamy is apparent here—comfy lifestyle with mobile and limitless cock ready for her while BB sits back thinking he has drawn the long stick. (pffffffffffffffbbtt)

[–]nastynickdr0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, its possible.

What women needs from her man is his resources and commitment. If she is 100% sure that he wont leave her for his mistresses, theres a good chance she will accept it. But his SMV has to be a lot higher than hers. Remember women would rather share a high quality man than being stuck with a loser.

[–]AskYouEverything0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

one of my very good friends is in jail, and has his baby momma still stay faithful while he spins other plates. He's the most charismatic person I've ever met, though

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