Harriet Harman: you can’t trust men in power

etherspirit · 2009-08-02T03:50:34+00:00

By the same logic, you can't trust women in power to account for the needs of men, so she should likewise advocate that the other seat be held exclusively for men. In reality, she should be criticizing members of her own sex for not acting the way she wants them to. When 50% of the people seeking to be elected for office are men and they clearly don't get around 50% representation, I'll buy that people might be overtly sexist. Until then, feminists need to ask themselves why more women aren't running for election.

rmbarnes · 2009-08-02T13:40:38+00:00

This is just a hint of something much bigger that's about to go down in the UK. Soon I feel it will be common place that men will be doing 50+ hour weeks and making most of the stressful decisions. In contrast to that there will be some woman in the same company, with the same job title doing 30 hour weeks with loads of flexi time because she's a mother. The woman will be able to tactically avoid making the tough decisions through clever use of flexi time. This means the man is more likely to get fired because he is in more of a position to be able to make a bad call. Oh, but they'll both get paid the same. No I don't mean pro rota. Their take home pay (including all bonuses) will be identical due to the fact that doing this is cheaper for the company than facing lawsuits from the woman. The man will also not be any more likely to be promoted than the woman. Actually probably less likely, because you'll be in legal trouble if you only promote men, but won't be if you only promote women.

Despite all this the men of my generation will still continue working themselves into early graves, but unlike our father's generation we won't be nearly as well compensated for doing so, and we're less likely to reach the positions of power our father's reached. This is because the women will be able to do less and still earn and progress at the same rate. Hard work, dedication, tenacity... these things will mean nothing because (in)equality must take precedent over all. My generation of men will still work hard though because we were raised to believe hard work is rewarded. Essentially all the rules will have changed but no one will have told us that. We'll be left scratching our heads wondering why we never did rise to the top of the business hierarchy.

But the woman will gain from this. Except they won't, not in the long run. The next generation of men will see their fathers working their asses off and getting very little in return. All they will see is this new game, never knowing that the old one existed. They'll look at their dads doing 50+ hours a week and earning £40k a year, then see that a woman doing the same job is doing 30 hours a week and earning the same £40k. "Fuck that", they'll think. I'll do the 30 hours not the 50 hours and earn the same. Is just common sense, right?

They'll also see women who can miss the important meetings to go and watch their child's play at school. They won't care that they haven't got kids, they'll demand that they can miss the big meeting just because they want to go to the cinema, or for a long lunch. Because they'll see that it doesn't matter whether you missed that meeting because you have kids or because you just want to chill, the only relevant fact is you weren't at that meeting. Having kids and spending time with them is a choice, and the next generation of men will refuse to do more work because of other people's choices. Going to see the play or going to the long lunch are both just choices the lead to you missing the meeting.

Whereas the current generation of men will be kept in line by thinking, "If I complain about all this and rock the boat I'll never get that promotion", the next generation of men know they probably won't get the promotion anyway, so fuck it. In short they won't work long, hard hours because they've never seen that lead to success.

So the whole economy suffers because now everyone, not just the women or the people with kids, expect to work part time for the full time salary. And when the economy bombs the women, as well as the men will be hit.

redditbannedmeagain · 2009-08-02T03:32:14+00:00

This bitch is a fine example of what happens when you put feminists in positions of power. She is not qualified to be in the position she holds, and men are suffering for it.

Get this cunt out of office.

2009-08-02T18:08:24+00:00

I really do wish these types of articles were submitted to r/feminisms instead. The girls seem to be too scared to have a discussion over here in mensrights, so let's take the discussion over to them...

Title	Harriet Harman: you can’t trust men in power
Author	reyofish
Upvotes	23
Comments	25
Date	August 2, 2009 3:02 AM UTC (16 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/96qmn/harriet_harman_you_cant_trust_men_in_power/
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