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An under appreciated history of the persecution of male witches

Mirroruniversejim

March 29, 2021
62 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/the-long-and-underappreciated-history-of-male-witches-and-the-countries-where-more-people-accused-of-witchcraft-were-men-354563
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Title An under appreciated history of the persecution of male witches
Author

Mirroruniversejim

Upvotes 62
Comments 16
Date March 29, 2021 5:50 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/mfv73f/an_under_appreciated_history_of_the_persecution/
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Comments

[–]Mirroruniversejim[S] 27 points28 points29 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This article show a how our understanding of gender and the persecution of people judged by society as witches is skewed, in some places in Northern Europe 90% of the people burned as witches where men

[+]Deadlocked024 points 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s no surprise that gender narratives thrive on historical revisionism, usually by outright focusing on what was good for men and bad for women, but ignoring what was bad for men and good for women. Either that or by hijacking narratives or claiming roles that weren’t theirs (or not exclusively theirs). And it’s not exclusive to feminism. I have seen several groups that focus on racial issues do this as well. It’s a very hypocritical move, considering how common it is for these groups to criticize the revisionisms and biases of white European/American men and their narratives.

[–]Mirroruniversejim[S] 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a lot of this is because historical views of witchcraft are Western European focused, in Western Europe most witches where women, while in Scandinavia, Russia, Iceland and Lithuanian most people who were accused where men

[–]nocturnefox 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I once had someone I worked with complain to me about how some guy had his daughters accuse a woman of being a witch to over a property dispute and ended it with a "I hate men". First off that has nothing to do with gender and second why do you think I will be on your side or want to hear how you hate men?

I don't like the rewriting of history to make something a gender issue when it isn't. Similarly I've seen similar attitudes towards women's achievements in history and claims that women were held back from scientific or societal advancements. Just look at how Galileo was treated for questioning that the sun revolves around the earth all the way to Alan Turing was treated for being gay even though he helped win World War II. Men are just as abused or mistreated for questioning those in power or being different. A lot of them ending up being the greatest minds. I think a lot of it what it really comes down to is society feeling threatened by them so they try to control them.

Sorry if that goes off topic a bit. I think they tie into each other in that they are both caused by ignorance and fear but some people try to pass them off as the result of misogyny.

[–]Mirroruniversejim[S] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That guy you mentioned sounds like an ass, I’m a male witch myself, and being bi, I’m quite familiar with Alan turing, may he rest in peace

[–]Mirroruniversejim[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh, btw I’m bi I appreciate any mentioning of men like Turing, he deserves so much credit. The apple rainbow logo is based of him

[–]nocturnefox 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't know that. Interesting to know. I'm a gay man too. It's good to have lgbt historical figures to look up to, even if they were treated poorly. If anything that makes their contributions more valuable because of what they risked or sacrificed.

[–]Mirroruniversejim[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Always remember we’re the sons of Alexander the Great (arguably bi by today’s standards) no one can take that from us

[–]XenIsNotVerySmartleft-wing male advocate 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I didn't know this. Often, people have brought up to me witch burnings as examples of "blatant misogyny", which always appeared to be a total non sequitur, and thus I hadn't had much to say. Thank you for sharing this information.

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I haven't read the article yet so I don't know if it covers this, but witchcraft was only one of many different "crimes against God", for which men were a majority of the people accused and prosecuted. Another example would by blasphemy, which a lot of (male) scientists and philosophers were accused of.

In some places, witchcraft was associated with healers / doctors, who were usually women. They would accuse other healers of engaging in satanic magic and cursing their patients as a way to explain why someone didn't get better under their care.

[–]Banake 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, more men were burned for heresy for what I read. Borges has a tale where a man is burned for heresy, for example.

[–]Mirroruniversejim[S] 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think a lot of that has to do with local ratios, in England, France and Germany it was more women, so as an English descended culture we think women, but in Scandinavia, Russia and Iceland it was far more men, which may have had to do with Viking shamanic tradition

[–]XenIsNotVerySmartleft-wing male advocate 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Perhaps. Still, this helps to invalidate the idea that "witch" persecution was related to gender.

[–]Mirroruniversejim[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True that, I’m a male witch, and for what it’s worth the one man executed at Salem by crushing had the best “spit in your face” final words ever “more weight”

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it was religious persecution rather than gender.

[–]Banake 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

For what I remember reading, men used to be burned more for heresy in some countries, but I don't have any source for this right now.

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