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Why Barrett is supremely unfit for the Supreme Court

a-man-from-earth

September 30, 2020
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https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/37949-amy-coney-barrett-disaster-for-the-constitutional-separation-between-state-and-church
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Title Why Barrett is supremely unfit for the Supreme Court
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a-man-from-earth

Upvotes 13
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Date September 30, 2020 5:40 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[S] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

As the article explains, Barrett’s nomination to the Supreme Court is extremely problematic because:

  • Barrett has little or no trial experience, has never argued an appellate case, and has only been a judge since Nov. 10, 2017
  • She is a “Catholic judge,” (not just a judge who is also Catholic) who uses her position and power to “build the Kingdom of God.”
  • Barrett’s short time on the bench has been marked not only by bad decisions, but decisions that, predictably, align more with Catholic dogma than precedent, the law, and the Constitution.
  • Barrett, a Roman Catholic, has “recounted the Catholic Church’s teaching that ’abortion is always immoral.’”
  • Confirming her preference for religion over public health, Barrett approved on Sept. 3 an exemption for large religious gatherings to an otherwise broad, neutral order banning gatherings because of the pandemic.
  • Barrett supports Christian Nationalist efforts against immigration.
  • Barrett opposes giving First Amendment litigants their day in court.
  • Barrett published a law review article that discussed an FFRF Supreme Court case and celebrated the fact that the court refused to hear FFRF’s challenge of a clear constitutional violation even though the court’s prior cases suggested that it could.
  • In 2003, she wrote another law review article on the topic, arguing that Supreme Court justices ought to disregard precedent that conflicts with their own constitutional interpretation.
  • Barrett has publicly pledged to support Catholic teachings against death with dignity legislation, against contraception and abortion, against LGBTQ rights and marriage equality and even against divorce.
  • Barrett joined People of Praise, a “Charismatic Christian parachurch organization” that former members call “a cult.”
  • Barrett trained with the notorious hate group Alliance Defending Freedom.
  • Barrett partnered with a right-wing law firm to challenge the Affordable Care Act.

For more details and sources, see the article.

All in all this paints a very damning picture of a person who is supremely unfit for the office for which she has been nominated.

[–]DMP1391 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

You could replace the word "Catholic" with "woman", "black", or "transgender" and suddenly you'd be a bigot.

Not sure when it became acceptable to deny someone a position in politics because they have personal beliefs. Joe Biden is also a proud Catholic (so he says), but you don't seem to have a problem with him running for president. Or is the religion of a federal politician only an issue if they disagree with you?

[–]innocentnecromancer 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

The problem isn’t her religion. It’s the fact that she has stated that she will make her decisions based on her religion rather than the law.

[–]DMP1391 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

And how is that any different to a partisan left-leaning politician saying they will use their left-wing beliefs to make decisions or laws?

BTW Joe Biden uses his Catholic origins as a selling point to voters, so yes he's clearly trying to appeal to Catholics out there and convince them that his policies will be aligned to the morals of their religion.

[–]innocentnecromancer 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

The law is more important than one’s personal beliefs.

[–]DMP1391 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I agree, but what you don't seem to realise is that everyone has personal beliefs and will use those personal beliefs to interpret the law.

That is true whether you're a Catholic, Muslim, atheist, vegan, transgender, Black, White, Italian, fat, skinny, tall, short,etc. Everyone has a personal moral code or communal beliefs.

We are all religious one way or another. The only difference is my religion tells me to wear a silly hat on my head while your religion may tell you to wear a silly mask over your mouth.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

We are all religious one way or another.

No, we are not. Many of us here are decidedly non-religious.

The only difference is my religion tells me to wear a silly hat on my head while your religion may tell you to wear a silly mask over your mouth.

You cannot compare science, which is evidence-based, to religion, which is decidedly not so.

[–]DMP1391 -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No, we are not. Many of us here are decidedly non-religious.

Everything is a religion, whether it is organised through a church or diversity centre.

You cannot compare science, which is evidence-based, to religion, which is decidedly not so.

There is questionable scientific evidence that masks are effective at stopping diseases, and there is even less scientific evidence to suggest that wearing a mask is essential to saving your life. COVID has a fairly low mortality rate and your odds of dying even without wearing a mask are very low.

You're wearing a mask because of your interpretation of the situation, not because it is scientifically infallible to do so.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[S] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Everything is a religion

And you just turned the word religion meaningless.

There is questionable scientific evidence that masks are effective at stopping diseases,

There is good scientific evidence that when a large part of the population wears masks, this is a major contribution in containing the disease.

and there is even less scientific evidence to suggest that wearing a mask is essential to saving your life.

It's not just about your life. We protect each other by wearing masks, because they significantly cut down on spreading the disease.

Many Asian countries used this approach, with much better success than the too-little too-late approach of most Western countries.

But really this is irrelevant to the topic, so let's stop this right here.

[–]SchalaZeal01 -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Many Asian countries used this approach, with much better success than the too-little too-late approach of most Western countries.

Asian countries often already have mask wearing as not too weird to see. For various reasons.

https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/not-just-coronavirus-asians-have-worn-face-masks-decades

That was like making something fashionable also useful.

[–]PsychoPhilosopher -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

There's a huge difference.

The Bible isn't intended to function as a set of laws for the modern world. Even within that, there's more to be said, as there's disagreement in how the Bible is interpreted.

What's more significant is that you now have a vote on the SCOTUS that will vote however the Pope tells her to.

That's veering dangerously close to medieval politics.

If she were agreeing to be a non-denominational Christian and to take her religious beliefs into account when ruling that would be one thing. There'd be room to approach her with a Biblical argument and discuss on those terms.

Someone who explicitly calls themselves Catholic on the other hand is much more dangerous because at the end of the day if a sitting Pope decides to tell her to rule in favor of something, she almost certainly will do so. No argument, no reasoning, no law.

That works while Pope's are good, but this lady is likely to outlive at least one Pope and more than likely multiple Popes.

Surely you can see how much scarier that is?

[+]DMP13911 points 5 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

What's more significant is that you now have a vote on the SCOTUS that will vote however the Pope tells her to.

And left-leaning Progressive judges would vote however the Woke mob or other Democratic politicians told them to vote.

I'm still not seeing the difference.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And left-leaning Progressive judges would vote however the Woke mob or other Democratic politicians told them to vote.

And that would be equally bad.

We want a candidate with a proven record of fair and impartial interpretation of the law. This one does not have that.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You could replace the word "Catholic" with "woman", "black", or "transgender" and suddenly you'd be a bigot.

Nope. Not at all. We would be equally opposed to anyone who would put their gender, race, sexual identity, or anything else above the law. And it is especially heinous for someone aspiring to the highest office of law to do so.

Not sure when it became acceptable to deny someone a position in politics because they have personal beliefs.

That is not at all what we are doing here. Stop misrepresenting the argument and derailing the topic.

Joe Biden is also a proud Catholic (so he says), but you don't seem to have a problem with him running for president.

I do have a problem with him running for president (tho many others here don't). Because he is equally unfit for the office he aspires to, albeit for other reasons.

Or is the religion of a federal politician only an issue if they disagree with you?

It is only an issue when they put it above the law.

[–]DMP1391 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope. Not at all. We would be equally opposed to anyone who would put their gender, race, sexual identity, or anything else above the law

So when a transgender advocate wants to abolish free speech by forcing everyone to use people's preferred pronouns, is that putting their beliefs above the law?

What about when Hillary Clinton spent the entire 2016 election blatantly putting her status as a woman on the forefront of every issue. Clearly one could assume that if elected she would've used her womanhood as guidance when making presidential decisions.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see both of those cases as very problematic as well.

You seem to be advocating very black and white partisan views, which are really a bad fit for this sub. Being left-wing and male advocates makes us heterodox from the get-go.

[–]ajXoejw 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How are any of those things relevant to men specifically?

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How are they not? Healthcare issues affect men, first amendment issues affect men, restricting reproductive rights affects men too.

[–]czerdec 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Are you aware that every single nominee from a GOP president in the last two generations has been attacked as the antichrist? Many of them have subsequently turned out reasonable.

Roberts, for example. Every one of my lefty friends, including me, went around guaranteeing the world that he was seeking to install the 3rd reich. But he didn't even overturn Obamacare. Guy pissed the hell out of Trump.

I think there's a chance that she won't turn out to be the Roe-destroying goblin-witch we all seem to portray her as. I'd still vote against her given the chance, but can we at least admit that our direst predictions of previous nominees have been wrong on occasion?

[–]enjoycarrots 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is good reason to take a deep breath and tell yourself that this appointment might not end up as damaging as we think. Judges very often turn out to be less partisan than the people who appointed them hope for.

But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it tooth and nail at this moment. Roberts, to stick with your example, has still been a right leaning Justice with a record that progressives shouldn't be impressed with. He just hasn't been as extremely partisan as some feared he might, thankfully. For my part, I never saw Roberts as being that extreme a choice. My biggest beef with Roberts is that he wasn't named Garland.

Also, keep in mind that it matters who they are replacing. We're replacing RBG here, which will create a more stark shift in the balance of the court even if she's only mildly wingnut.

[–]czerdec 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it tooth and nail at this moment. Roberts, to stick with your example, has still be a right leaning judge with a record that progressives shouldn't be impressed with. He just hasn't been as extremely partisan as some feared he might, thankfully. For my part, I never saw Roberts as being that extreme a choice. My biggest beef with Roberts is that he wasn't named Garland.

There is a definite cost to a person if he invariably and regularly makes doom-laden predictions which usually turn out to be very much worse than the reality.

If we fight tooth and nail against this one, and she turns out centrist, we take a very big credibility hit with the mass of voters.

Then one day, when the real next Scalia arrives, we're unable to get the amount of traction needed to stop her/him. Caution is not surrender.

[–]enjoycarrots 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then one day, when the real next Scalia arrives

... how do you determine who is the real next Scalia? By all accounts this person is as close as I can see us getting.

[–]czerdec 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

All of the last ones we went totally batshit over since Clinton have turned out to be pretty milquetoast compared to the fascist Saurons we all insisted they were going to be. When we get it wrong every time for a long series, maybe doubling down isn't so smart.

Jesus, for the last one, we took an obvious liar who had never even met the judge, and put her on a pedestal as if she had video proof of her palpably false accusations.

Conservative judicial appointees really seem to give too many of us on the left permission to let our imaginations run wild, and throw all our higher cognition out the window. I say that as one who is guilty of it with Roberts.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[S] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Completely irrelevant to the current case. Did you even read the article?

[–]czerdec 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The whole line of argument that keeps being used is "this person goes to this church, ergo it's certain the person will become hardcore, unreasonable right wing judicial activist as bad as Scalia"

We said it about Roberts, did not happen. We were just plain wrong.

We said it about Kavanaugh, did not happen. We were just plain wrong.

We are now saying it about her.

(We being the left, broadly speaking)

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The argument is not that "this person goes to church". Most Democrats go to church.

The problem with Barrett is that we know she is part of a cult, and we know she has repeatedly stated that she puts her religious beliefs above the law, and calls on other lawyers to do the same. This goes way, way beyond what was objectionable about previous Republican nominees.

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