Recently, in a MensLib post about anti-feminism, a number of false allegations (including by one of their mods) were made about the LeftWingMaleAdvocates community. For anyone who is not ideologically blinded, and looks into how we actually handle these issues, these are obvious lies. These allegations are also devoid of evidence.
They accuse us of racism, despite our rules 2 and 5. They accuse us of misogyny, despite our rule 6. And as any regular in our sub knows, these rules are enforced.
Their only "evidence" that we are racist is a post critical of CRT (Critical Race Theory), which underlies the racist ideas of Robin DiAngelo and others, and is now very far removed in practice from its academic roots 30, 40 years ago. And this is a post made nine months ago. If we were so racist, one should be able to find multiple examples in our sub within the last few weeks...
Instead we have addressed racism here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and most recently here.
Their allegations of misogyny are mostly because they confuse our criticism of feminism with hating women. This couldn't be farther from the truth. We are in support of women's rights. But we don't agree with an ideology that too often engages in misandry and that too often is not in practice egalitarian.
Some posts that go into this can be found here, and here, and here. Also this one that highlights that the prevailing narrative infantilizes women.
Also, we do not hate MensLib for "bowing down to women" as they claim. We hate them for being subservient to feminism, which hinders necessary discussion of men's issues that are affected by that ideology. Criticism of feminism is not misogyny. An ideology is not a gender.
This is highlighted for example here.
They say we have never been left-wing. But we have always been, and this is enshrined in our mission statement. Yes, we do not require all participants to be left-wing, and are open to discuss men's issues with people who are right-wing or have other values antithetical to ours, as long as they do so within the rules. They should not confuse our willingness to engage and educate with being a "pipe-line to the alt-right." We choose not to be restricted to an echo chamber. If anything, we are a pipe-line to egalitarianism.
They claim we are not left-wing because we view Andrew Yang as a left-wing politician. His main idea that he keeps pushing is UBI. How is UBI not a left-wing idea? It would give great economic support to all citizens, exactly what someone on the Left would want. He is all for ending poverty, fixing capitalism, and fighting climate change. And by the way, I think there are more people here supporting Sanders than Yang.
They say that if you don't agree with us, you get called a simp, cuck, or beta. But these terms are not allowed as per rule 8. And this rule is enforced, as some of you can attest to, even when targeted at people not present in the discussion. Besides, we do not allow personal attacks as per rule 7, and this is one of the most frequently enforced rules, as I am sure some of you can attest to. In fact, we often get smeared as right-wing when we enforce this rule on our own people. I'm sorry, but just because you are a left-wing male advocate does not mean you get a free pass on breaking the rules and being rude to others.
I challenge them to find any actual evidence of this within the past year.
It looks like none of them have read our mission statement and spent enough time engaging with our subreddit to understand what we stand for. We hope people can see past their misrepresentations and lies, and make up their own minds based on what they actually see here in our sub. Start with carefully reading our mission statement.
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The community literally makes it impossible to criticize feminism. I commented a fucking wall of text that I thought war pretty polite that said "what self respecting man is against feminism" (you don't have to read all of it, just the bolded bit).
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Well let me explain my perspective. I truly hope you'll take this opportunity to understand me, instead of using it to hate me. Also, to anyone who's going to ban me, from the bottom of my heart, I pity you. If simply experiencing someone attempting to politely explain their point of view pains you so much that you ban me then you must live in a frightening, small, and dark world. I hope you find your way out.
Firstly let us agree that there are issues on both sides of the fence. Men are viewed as predatory, circumcision is widespread, in domestic disputes women are always viewed as the victims (see Amber Heard, there was direct evidence that Heard was the abuser yet Depp was most affected. If it can happen to a famous person you can sure as shit bet that it can happen to you). The education gap, and other issues are dead fucking serious. There are men's issues that need addressing.
Next lets focus on what feminism actually is, because Feminism does not fight for equality, it is an organization dedicated to solving female centric issues. Feminism doesn't campaign for more female bricklayers, because it doesn't want "equality" it wants to fix female issues. That's fine, I understand this. But arguing that feminism is an egalitarian organization is disingenuous. I haven't heard a single feminist hear me out on domestics court issues, let alone bring it up and champion the cause.
But most of all why do I believe feminism does not fight for equality? Because the grass is always greener on the other side, and feminism doesn't just refuse to look at the other side of the fence, it actively discourages it. Viewing men's rights subs (hopefully the more civilized ones) and truly considering men's issues is viewed as sacrilege. When you amplify the issues of one group and silence the issues of the other is it any wonder why the amplified group seems so oppressed? The heart of the issue is that because feminism focuses solely on female issues it not only ignores male issues, it takes offense at them being mentioned.
I recently had an enlightening discussion with a woman who engaged me in conversation about attractiveness. She said that it was tragic that women were valued only for the babies they can make and how attractive they are. She never once considered what men were valued for. In her world men were valued for the content of their character only, good men were loved by those around them and everyone was treated fairly. She never considered the fact that men aren't loved for who they are, they're loved for what they can produce. What they can give. There's an endemic of men that only feel loved because of their wallet, yet she never considered this. This is the folly of only taking the female side. Women are valued for having children, yes, in the most cynical way of looking at things, and this is terrible. But men risk life and limb to put food on the table, their rate of workplace death is tenfold the female amount; they're regularly thrown away in war, ignored by society when they need help, and discarded when their usefulness is through. Looking at the female side shows a tragedy, that women are objectified and viewed as commodities, but viewing both sides shows that the issue isn't uniquely female, and shouldn't be treated as such.
This is the crux of my issue with feminism. It only views female issues, only permits female oppression, and reacts violently to the idea of male oppression. I'm not against feminism because I hate women, but because I view the very idea of creating equality through focusing solely on one group's issues stupid, especially when there are very clearly male issues that need to be talked about.
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I'd say I did a pretty good job of presenting an argument politely, but I was banned because literally and criticism of feminism is against the rules. That's beyond stupid, it forces every viewpoint into the assumption that women are oppressed and greatly reduces available discussion, an echo chamber at it's finest.
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