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Out of curiosity, why are there slightly more women than men in natural sciences? Is there research done on this? What are the causes and possible remedies of this gender disparity?

Strikester101

April 22, 2020
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https://cns.utexas.edu/diversity/college-demographics
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Title Out of curiosity, why are there slightly more women than men in natural sciences? Is there research done on this? What are the causes and possible remedies of this gender disparity?
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Strikester101

Upvotes 7
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Date April 22, 2020 6:05 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
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[–]Lung_doc 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are more women getting Bachelor's and PhD degrees in just about every field except almost all engineering degrees, computer science, physics, math and economics.

One of the biggest differences seems to be the math requirement. My biology degree required only one semester of college level calculus, which I had AP credit for and that was it. Med school did not require any additional math either (though most have since added a stats requirement).

So the question is probably more "why don't women want to major in math heavy majors". And why aren't men getting though higher ed to the extent they used to, rather than something special about the biological sciences.

https://www.statista.com/chart/15685/doctoral-degrees-awarded-by-broad-field-and-gender-in-the-us/

[–]funnystor 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

There used to be more men, we spent a lot of effort on messaging that science is for women too, now there are slightly more women. Seems like the effort worked. If the proportion of men shrinks further, we should probably consider effort in the opposite direction, eg encouraging more men into natural sciences.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lmao that works for every other university majors, all are experiencing a decline in men

[–]Strikester101[S] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm kind of concerned, TBH.

Do you know the Matilda effect?

[–]AskingToFeminists 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, a lot of the evidences presented for it are feminist outrage-baiting. Like "the woman who took the picture of the double helix of DNA didn't get the Nobel for it". Except that she was dead by the time the Nobel for DNA was given and Nobel prizes are only given to the living.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying much of it is BS.

I would also like a comparison of how many men have the credit for their inventions stolen by others. I mean, anyone who has heard of Tesla and Edison are aware that having credit stolen is not something that happens only to women. And I am rather confident that the higher the proportion of women in science, the more likely someone has to have their credit stolen by a woman, too.

I would really like to see this "effect" being demonstrated as being caused by sexism, rather than by the presence of assholes who just want to take credit for the work of others. To me, the null hypothesis of "this is not due to sexism, it has another cause" hasn't been disproved.

Very often, all that feminists need to claim that some sexism is going on is to say that some bad things happened to women. As if the only reason anything bad ever happened to women was sexism. Negligence, pettiness, misanthropy, egotism, accidents, and all other potential sources of bad things are rules out without consideration.

[–]plitox_is_a_bitch 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have the privilege - yes, it's a privilege - of being able to complain.

Men don't.

A woman's complaint is a grave injustice that needs to be addressed; a man's complaint is a failure of his masculinity, and a signal that he is broken and fit to be disposed of.

Add to that that once a woman complains of a problem both men and women face, it then becomes an exclusively female problem. Since it's acceptable, even noble, for women to take on masculine characteristics but shameful for men to take on feminine characteristics (like, say...sharing the same complaints as them), then those specific complaints become feminine, and any many who has the same issue will be shamed.

[–]lorarc 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Please not she didn't take the picture of the double helix, she was a supervisor of post-grad student who did. The whole affair is not about her being uncredited but about work of hey underling used without her knowledge, whether she would have figured it out on her own and how much influence over the work she had as supervisor.

[–]AskingToFeminists 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I am aware of that. There most certainly was shaddy things going on, it's not exactly correct to use someone's work without their knowledge, (and in that case, there is a lot more unfairness to the underling) but even without getting into details, the complaint is generally made about her not getting the Nobel, and that can be shut down immediately by pointing out "she was dead. Nobel is for the living"

[–]AskingToFeminists 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Could it be that more women enroll in natural sciences because there are more women going in higher education?

[–]cromulent_weasel 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do slight differences even matter?

[–]plitox_is_a_bitch 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When there's 51 men in a high status role to only 49 women, yeah, apparently it does...

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