"I don't want to be chosen just because I'm a woman, but sometimes affirmative action is needed."

Tmomp · 2020-03-13T19:17:04+00:00

"I don't want to be chosen just because I'm a woman, but sometimes affirmative action is needed."

"I don't want to be chosen just because I'm a woman, but sometimes ~~affirmative action is needed~~ men should be unchosen just because they're men."

(Thank you for the silver!)

omino23 · 2020-03-13T18:57:48+00:00

made me think of this study and others like it:

https://www.vive.dk/media/pure/6868/1106701

" Girls, on average, obtain higher test scores in school than boys, and recent research suggests that part of this difference may be due to discrimination against boys in grading. This bias is consequential if admission to subsequent education programs is based on exam scores. This study assesses the causal effect of blind grading, exploiting two separate identification strategies. The first derives from a unique full cohort natural experiment with a grading reform, providing exogenous variation in blind grading. The other strategy derives from a field experiment where the exact same exam papers are scored twice (blind and non-blind). Both strategies use difference-in-differences methods. Although imprecisely estimated, the point estimates indicate a blind grading advantage for boys in essay writing of approximately 5-8% SD, corresponding to 9-15% of the gender gap in essay exam grades. The effect appears to be more pronounced among low performers. Moreover, evaluators tend to give higher grades to boys’ essays when they are led to believe these essays were written by girls. Additional analyses for math suggest a (poorly determined) blind grading effect in favor of girls of 1-3% SD. The overall tendencies are in accordance with statistical discrimination as a mechanism for grading bias in essay writing and with genderstereotyped beliefs of math being a male domain. "

SchalaZeal01 · 2020-03-13T17:42:36+00:00

Do they presume that the judges are white males and that they judge on some white-male-esque music standard that isn't objectively what the orchestra is looking for?

Oncefa2 · 2020-03-13T19:28:15+00:00

So essentially they're advocating for blatant discrimination against men in order to end the "ongoing marginalization of women". Something that they have no evidence actually exists.

What's crazy is they seem to be aware of the fact that women are naturally preferred compared to men and are purposefully trying to introduce this bias.

Elevryn · 2020-03-13T16:52:14+00:00

This should be posted on r/selfawarewolves

Edit: i keep re-reading it because the lack of sense is just stunning. Truly stunning. Im stuck in a loop.

Strikester101 · 2020-03-13T18:24:17+00:00

The comments are pretty fucking OOF.

It's basically a demonstration of hypocrisy where they are accepting of studies where gender-blind evaluation favours women (thereby cementing the "underdog" stereotype) but would immediately find faults in studies that show otherwise (where they would likely not apply in those studies).

heimdahl81 · 2020-03-14T03:01:04+00:00

Pretty much just an example of a bell curve. The best and worst of every group tends to be male because we have a wider bell curve.

2020-03-14T11:13:31+00:00

Maybe they could have a proportionate distribution of slots, divided by the gender percentage in the drawing pool. At least that way males wouldn't be punished for merely being more interested and participating more. The racial comments are merely offensive, even though the Native American who was kicked off should get restitution of some sort for sure.

Title	"I don't want to be chosen just because I'm a woman, but sometimes affirmative action is needed."
Author	NearingDeathLivingLi
Upvotes	27
Comments	26
Date	March 13, 2020 4:41 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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