Fun Fact: You Can Advocate for Men's Rights and Safety without Being Anti-Feminist :D

Punder_man · 2021-09-18T11:40:11+00:00

"Stop generalizing all feminists with "feminists" who use the movement for their own personal gain. That is not the true essence of feminist and what it was built for. Start a movement that advocates men's rights and safety WITHOUT abolishing what the other gender has fought for for generations. True feminists will have your back. Together, hand-in-hand, without invalidating the other, we can achieve gender equality."

The problem here is two fold:

1) Feminists / feminism loves to generalize MEN as the source of all their problems
2) Saying that "True" Feminists will have our backs is a laugh.. given that all these "true" feminists seem quite content to sit there an allow misandrists to use the feminist movement as a shield to protect themselves from criticism while they spew forth their misandry.

Also.. it was FEMINISTS whom created the Duluth model, a domestic violence model biased in favor of women which is used by police forces around the world.
In this model its ASSUMES that in a case of male on female domestic violence the police are to assume that the man is the aggressor and the woman the victim 100% of the time. This alone serves to further the victimhood agenda of feminism and to further hide / remove the idea that men could ever be a victim.

As a result you have situations where the woman is the aggressor but regardless of this the man will be removed from the house and booked in jail and / or sent to anger management classes.
This is literally something that FEMINISM has done as a movement which is directly detrimental towards men.

Lets not also forget that when we try to get together to discuss issues like Male Suicide.. its FEMINISTS whom protest the events, pull fire alarms and sent bomb / death threats to the venue hosts to get our events cancelled.
Feminism is not as benign as you make it out to be or.. these 'True' feminists you carry on about either only exist within your fantasy realm or once again don't actually care enough to save their movement.

We try to make our own movement and you have FEMINISTS shouting us down as "Misogynistic, Incel Trolls"
How are we as a movement supposed to get off the ground when Feminism literally stone walls us at every point?
And when we try to speak up about the issues facing men.. lo and behold we get FEMINISTS coming in and trying to twist the conversation into how women still have it worse..

For example: Male Suicide.. apparently women have it worse because of the 'emotional' labor men committing suicide has on the women around them.
I'm not even kidding here I have heard feminists say this.. Men are killing themselves in higher and higher numbers but they want to talk about how its WOMEN who are more affected!?

Or on the other side of the coin you have feminists trying to silence us by claiming "Its because of Patriarchy!!!" Because apparently they know better than men when it comes to issues that affect men..

This is turning into a rant so i'll cut myself off here and simply say:

TL;DR: If you want us to take feminism seriously as a movement then instead of trying to placate us about how feminism is for us too.. actually DO something about the 'false' feminists who have hijacked your movement.
Do more than speak pretty words.. actually get out there and start calling out women who spew forth misandry and tell them that it's not welcome in the feminists movement.

When I see these 'True' feminists doing that.. MAYBE i'll begin to believe that feminism as a movement actually cares about what it preaches..
Until then.. Save your words.. they won't convert anyone here.

bufedad · 2021-09-18T12:00:11+00:00

Would you support a movement if any part of that movement had fought to keep raping women legal? No. Hell no.

Feminists fighting to protect female rapists and keep raping men legal. Hols feminism to that same standard and don't be a hypocrite.

falante788 · 2021-09-18T10:43:34+00:00

Another concern troll

reddut_gang · 2021-09-18T14:49:06+00:00

feminism was built on an extremely limited perspective that assumed that men had all the privileges and that women had none. As if the draft was a privilege. As if multiple financial obligations were a privilege. In this link, there are plenty of ways your beloved first wave feminists abused these to harm men as well.

Being anti-feminist does not necessarily mean being against women's rights. I can be for men's rights and women's rights, but never feminist because it negates the former.

Like, I'm a firm believer in gender equality, but feminism is one of the many obstacles to that end goal.

rahsoft · 2021-09-18T09:15:46+00:00

True feminists will have your back.

do you want us to link to the NAFLT explanation?

or will you give us a evidence of feminists "having our back" because we don't see the protests of feminists chanting "we have your back"

we dont see True feminists demanding an end to MGM to various govts?

we don't see True feminists demanding 50/50 child custody from the various govts..

we don't see true feminists demanding shelters for male victims of domestic violence from the various govts..

.. in fact the only thing we see of you true feminists is you simply blaming and labelling men as you have done right here... and spamming it across to other reddits

maybe when you've had a few lived years as an adult you will realise that the feminist movement is a lot different from the text book (and its lot worse) you've been reading from ..

deal with your issues with your dad first before coming onto reddit otherwise it just looks like those issues are overflowing onto here under the guise of "true feminists"

cnccc6 · 2021-09-18T11:33:20+00:00

True feminists support equality, but they are okay with their peers causing inequality?

There is a reason many people don’t identify with left, right or even centrists.

Udesiir · 2021-09-18T09:35:54+00:00

the same rights as men

that would imply men were free to dodge gender based roles and expectations. except in reality that would only be the case for the men sitting on the top of the social hiearchy. approximately, 0.1%-1%.

Now that women have them, they're mad and believe it's unfair

Disliking feminism doesnt equal to disliking women. are you strawmanning?

Nothing but the stigma that the majority of your OWN gender population has created for generations of "sucking it up like a mAn," is preventing you from establishing your own movement.

Men were the only ones to enforce these gender based roles? Are you for real??? Both people from both genders enforce gender based roles more than you believe.

Only THEY are in a position to speak about the difficulties that THEIR gender experiences.

Tell that to the "bad" feminists in your camp will you? Itd be much appreciated.

mikesteane · 2021-09-18T09:04:38+00:00

No one ever said men's issues were invalid

Feminists say that all the time.

The feminist movement started out as something that will allow us to have the SAME rights as men do

Women have always had more rights than men.

when the feminist movement was something frowned upon

It still is, increasingly so.

Just as long as they don't attempt to undo what women have started and built.

LOL

Stop generalizing all feminists with "feminists" who use the movement for their own personal gain.

I don't think it's about personal gain, I think it's an expression of narcissism and other personality disorders.

That is not the true essence of feminist

Yes, it is.

True feminists will have your back

Feminism is a hate movement, and always was.

But I don't believe in having to abolish/strongly hate another movement in order for one to flourish.

Except that that movement is a hate movement which is to its core anti-men.

Lady-Lummox · 2021-09-18T10:30:36+00:00

https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9v6tqj/a_list_about_feminism_misandry_for_anyone_who/

https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/lec134/re_do_you_guys_hate_feminism/

https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/68v91b/woman_who_lied_about_being_sexually_assaulted/dh23pwo/

throwRA_SheIsBack · 2021-09-18T19:00:05+00:00

Well when Feminsts are all anti men, being pro men is automatically anti Feminist

EricAllonde · 2021-09-18T23:00:00+00:00

Reposting something I wrote previously:

I often see feminists claim that "Feminism is about equality", and I always have to explain to their audience that no, feminism is not about equality, but rather the opposite of that.

Feminism is simply the lobbying effort for the advancement of women's interests.

Feminism demands more advantages & privileges for women, in all circumstances, all the time and without limitation.

Even in contexts where women already have more rights, privileges or advantages than men, feminists demand even more for women - the exact opposite of the "equality" feminist propaganda claims to want.

There has never been a single situation where feminism has acted to correct a gender imbalance that favored women. On the contrary, in every such case feminism has only worked to entrench and further increase female privilege.

Show me a single case where feminism acted to advance the interests of men because, in that particular area, men are discriminated against and/or disadvantaged. You can't. The best you can come up with are feminist claims of "trickle-down equality", cases where feminism acted in women's interests and claimed, "This will help men too".

Show me a single case where feminism achieved its goal of equality and then stopped, rather than continuing to push forwards. You can't, there is simply no mechanism built into feminism to make it stop when equality is achieved.

It's trivially easy to disprove the claim that feminism is about gender equality:

One of the ways to do that is to get a group of feminists together and tell them that male babies & boys deserve the same legal protection from genital mutilation that female babies and girls already have. A large percentage of the feminists will argue against that.

Or tell the feminists that gender equality means equal responsibilities, so women should be required to register for the draft exactly as men have to. A lot of the feminists will argue against that.

What happens in countries that proposing increasing the retirement age for women to be equal to the retirement age for men? A: feminists take to the streets to protest against equality in retirement age. This is another form of equality that feminists bitterly oppose. Despite the fact that women live longer than men, on average, feminists think women should continue to be entitled to retire earlier than men and live off men's income and taxes for years longer than men themselves do.

Try to enrol feminists in closing the gender sentencing gap. No, that's one gender gap that suits feminists just fine. In fact the only feminist involvement in this issue is from feminist groups trying to abolish prison for women completely, thereby increasing the gender sentencing gap to infinity.

For the most angry, anti-equality reaction of all, try telling feminists that since women have a legal right to have sex without being forced into parenthood, gender equality means that men deserve to have that same legal right. At least 95% of feminists will bitterly disagree with gender equality on this subject, and most of them will list off all the ways that men are horrible, pathetic losers who don't deserve rights - with their now-obvious hatred of men dripping from every word.

You don't ever have to put up with the "Feminism is about equality" nonsense that the man-haters always spout. It's an obvious lie.

DavidByron2 · 2021-09-18T15:51:53+00:00

I hear you can also hunt deer without a gun.

Remarkable_Weather21 · 2021-09-19T18:44:58+00:00

i would rather be anti-feminist thanks

Remarkable_Weather21 · 2021-09-19T18:45:16+00:00

fun fact you cannot be feminist without hating men

sku11_bit · 2021-09-18T10:31:21+00:00

Thats a oxymoron mra and feminism are opposites

LondonDude123 · 2021-09-18T19:20:33+00:00

You say multiple times that men should be starting their own movement to solve their issues. May I remind you of the countless times that Mens Rights Marches have been shut down by women and feminists around the world. The most famous being a Male Suicide Awareness event being brigaded and shut down by Women. People ARE TRYING, but your side wont let us!

Stop generalizing all feminists with "feminists" who use the movement for their own personal gain.

True feminists will have your back.

Look up the no true scotsman argument, and you'll see what your side are doing.

rockafault · 2021-09-18T15:42:46+00:00

we can achieve gender equality

You will never achieve gender equality until men can have children without the need for women and vice versa. Human reproduction simply won't allow it. We are interdependent, eternally tied together by the reproductive process. Men can't stop women killing our unborn children even if it becomes illegal and women need men to provide for their children even if you replace the fathers with the state. I'm sorry that human children take almost two decades of constant investment before they can leave the nest and live independently. Maybe if it took a year for children to mature to adulthood women wouldn't be in this constant struggle for "equality" but nature is what nature is and no one can do anything about that.

Every society requires constant maintenance to exist, and men are overwhelmingly represented in the jobs that maintain the society from the manual labor position, especially where the risk of injury or death is highest. Granted, we are being replaced with automation but it took men and women working in unique respective gender roles to get here since the beginning of our species. If the roles were reversed since the beginning, we would more than likely have gone extinct.

Societies also require women bearing children and they would be optimally raised with both parents cooperating in the essential roles of child rearing. Unfortunately, the time it takes to raise children effectively gets in the way of feminist rhetoric and your birth rates fall below replacement levels thanks to this insistent projection of equality. Ever more societies that embrace feminism are ignoring this fact by using immigration in an effort to replace this need. Ironic that you are dependent on patriarchal societies with a net positive birth rate to give you the manual labor necessary to fulfill your feminist utopia. It's a fleeting dream, you'd have to automate raising children for the dream to last more than a generation worldwide.

I wish certain outspoken women wouldn't look at fulfilling their unique gender role of bearing children (the future generation) like it's oppression. It's just something men cannot do, and there have been countless attempts by the human species to raise societies in different ways. The most successful turned out to be patriarchal, even though they make many mistakes and were built on lies to get men and women to conform to the essential family unit. I hope someday everyone can recognize how important we are in working together and break from these lies but that seems to be a fever dream too.

EricAllonde · 2021-09-18T22:50:22+00:00

Feminism is the major obstacle to gender equality today.

The MRM cannot make progress on men's rights without defeating feminism. To that end, we must all do our part to expose the lies, hypocrisy and hatred of men that are core, fundamental components of feminism.

EnvironmentalWar4627 · 2021-09-18T10:31:14+00:00

I'm not anti-MRM, I'm all for supporting men's rights to be heard and their safety too. But I don't believe in having to abolish/strongly hate another movement in order for one to flourish.

With the huge number of people that identify as feminists and see feminism as equal rights, being anti feminist shuts off huge portions of the population and allows them to dismiss the movement as anti women.

If people cared about men's rights, they would shift the focus away from complaining about feminists and towards inviting new people, like yourself, to be part of the group.

You can think feminism is flawed without 7 page diatribes about how it was always a hate movement to alienate the occasional poster like yourself.

People don't care about men's rights, if they did they would welcome people with your opinion instead of looking for their nearest pitch fork and torch.

EnvironmentalWar4627 · 2021-09-18T10:01:31+00:00

You're assuming people here care about mens rights more than they care about complaining about feminists and women.

If you search by the top 10 posts in the last week, only 2 are about men's rights. Circumcision and sexual assault laws. The other 8 are just complaining about things women or feminists did.

Title	Fun Fact: You Can Advocate for Men's Rights and Safety without Being Anti-Feminist :D
Author	bootymistermaster69
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Date	September 18, 2021 6:59 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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