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Woman, 26, who accuses brother-in-law ex Michigan House Speaker, 33, of years-long rape starting when she was 15 admits SHE often initiated contact with him but claims it was because he 'brainwashed her'

furchfur

January 9, 2022
38 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384103/Woman-accused-ex-Michigan-house-speaker-rape-admits-initiated-contact-him.html
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Title Woman, 26, who accuses brother-in-law ex Michigan House Speaker, 33, of years-long rape starting when she was 15 admits SHE often initiated contact with him but claims it was because he 'brainwashed her'
Author

furchfur

Upvotes 38
Comments 17
Date January 9, 2022 7:00 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/rzynx1/woman_26_who_accuses_brotherinlaw_ex_michigan/
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Comments

[–]63daddy 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The article doesn’t mention his age at the time so it’s not clear if it may have been statutory rape or not.

I can give some credence to the “under his spell” argument if the person is a minor but we are seeing this argument used successfully on college campuses. Woman consents but later claims she didn’t feel she was able to say no, and this argument is all too often accepted and men found guilty when everyone involved agrees consent was given.

We rightly have laws protecting minors because we acknowledge their consent and decisions are not mature decisions and we expect mature adults to realize this. So, again if their ages qualify as statutory rape, he deserves to be found guilty. My concern is this argument being used successfully by adults.

[–]velvetalocasia 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She is 26 now and he is 33, so he was 22 when she was 15.

[–]63daddy 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then in this case, she has a valid point. If her claim is true, it clearly meets the definition of statutory rape. What I don’t get then is why the article doesn’t just say it’s statutory rape.

[–]cantbesilenced1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's rape

[+]EnvironmentalWar4627 -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Woman consents but later claims she didn’t feel she was able to say no, and this argument is all too often accepted and men found guilty when everyone involved agrees consent was given.

All too often? Really? I'm skeptical you can find a single example of a man being found guilty in these circumstances. Just one example.

I get that it's easy to feel this way with the doom and gloom but this is not something that has happened.

[–]awsdlefthandbutton 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A 'good' guide is here https://www.leaf.ca/news/the-law-of-consent-in-sexual-assault/

And it could be covered by 'Silence or passivity does not equal consent.' or the 'i felt pressured, would be harmed, so I said yes'.

So consent has to be confirmed at all stages. A lot of these cases have publication bans which can make it awkward to get details for the general public.

A great example is if a couple have sex while both are drunk then neither has consented and both have been sexually assaulted. I imagine the 'victim' would be whoever complains first.

[–]63daddy 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Go read title ix cases. You’ll find this is very common. In most college sexual assault cases, consent was given. It’s claiming the consent wasn’t valid that’s the issue in most cases.

[–]EnvironmentalWar4627 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't consent when you are 15. It doesn't matter who initiated it.

[–]ThatOneCrusader1 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Too young to consent

[–]sleepyJoeBidet 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was too young to consent.

[–]DonDuarte 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

7 years of difference between them. What's the law in the US? An 18 year old can't have sex with a 17 year old? Is there an exemption to age of consent when both are close in age? What's the maximum gap?

In my country that would've been legal. A bit weird but legal. The age of consent is 16 but there's a 7 year gap where consent is still valid.

[–]WingsofSky 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on the state. A few years difference won't get you in trouble. Most of the time.

[–]No_Seaworthiness9625 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Another convenient rape accusation

[–]BeanBodhi 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was 15

[–]cantbesilenced1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He raped her

[–]cantbesilenced1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

SHE WASNT OF AGE WTF

[–]cantbesilenced1 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This should be removed she was a child

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