Feminists want equal rights in confort time. When rough times occur, this happens!

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Didn't loads of women work in factories in WW1 and 2? Like the whole land girl movement was a big thing, and a lot of women were in the RAF helping to maintain and use anti aircraft guns here in England, it was a massive step forward in women's rights because it proved that women would step up and were capable during times of crisis, it's what helped women gain roles in the military, and advanced women's work rights.

Most women who served stateside were on naval bases, replacing men who had deployed to Europe. While many female recruits performed clerical duties, some worked as truck drivers, mechanics, radio operators, telephone operators, translators, camouflage artists and munition workers. They had the same responsibilities as their male counterparts and received the same pay of $28.75 per month.

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Sounds like you'd also enjoy a comparatively nice, cushy job in a factory or kitchen if shit hit the fan and war started...

Just sayin', not wanting to die is a human thing. Not a woman thing.

Answer honestly. What do you think if we let men stay and only women fight?

Sure thing, pal. All men would cry about how their rights are being denied and that they're "under threat." So this wouldn't happen. Not all men will ever stay away from war even if it came to personal choice. We as men are socialized to think it's cool to be soldiers. But in a hypothetical setting where this would happen:

Women have a better ability to distinguish more shades of color more quickly, good for picking out targets at range or spotting people through camouflage at least just as well as men if not better, I imagine. Nothing would limit their capacity to properly operate a firearm, but granted, they'd carry less equipment on march. Hand-to-hand combat would indeed be a rather great threat, but there are equalizers, such as knives and protective vests. Not to mention hand-to-hand combat is in the most desperate of scenarios and not commonplace in battle, where engagements occur at ranges of over 100 yards. Crewing vehicles, I doubt women would underperform.

Unless you believe women have "weak minds" or whatever, there's really not much that would disadvantage a woman in a modern battlefield. Again, maybe a limit on supply directly with them on duty at any given time, but women have proportionally more body fat even when muscular and are thus better suited for starvation scenarios and again, picking targets at 100 yards or more would be as easy if not easier for women to accomplish.

Plus, I'm betting there are men who'd love to stay at home in the kitchen during war. And peace. And that's like super chill, in my book. Personal freedom's important.

Male soldiers will never be in short supply, this isn't some threat to a "manly" army. It's a way to allow more soldiers, more effective units through inclusion of diversity (statistically, military units are more effective long-term if they're diverse, despite initial hesitancy. Soldiers have to work harder for cohesion, with them ending up more cohesive than they would have from a unit of a single demographic).

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Answer honestly. What do you think if we let men stay and only women fight?

Not all men will ever stay away from war even if it came to personal choice. We as men are socialized to think it's cool to be soldiers.

We aren't socialized, we are the product of millions of years of evolution. Below this sentence you vie for women and their abilities but you ignore that men since the dawn of age killed predators to the point that they do not hunt humans and avoid us. Not due to women, due to men. Why? We are vindictive if an animal kills our kind, wives and kids.
Women's bodies are also geared for childbirth, so there will be less women with bodies that not too wide hipped or breast too big to get in the way.

But then good times breed spineless people that think "men are socialized" and ignore evolution.

Women have a better ability to distinguish more shades of color more quickly, good for picking out targets at range or spotting people through camouflage at least just as well as men if not better, I imagine.

Ask yourself why? Since the cavemen days women had to stay in the camp. They had to forage for fruit and berries. What's the result? Better eyesight in terms of color. They had to watch out for snakes and other animals. Much better at fine details They had to keep the camp running and resulted in much better communication...something I don't quite agree with since women uses more words to convey the same thing that men convey in less words.

Men:

Great contrast and depth perception due to tracking moving animals and throwing the spear to kill it. That means their meat brain had to do fast calculations in their head to predict where an animal must run.
They also had to be fast and think fast.
They also had to think strategically the best way to kill or hunt an animal.
They also had to walk far to chase the bigger elephants that do not die immediately. That means they are far from camp and needed to find their way back (Ties into men tending to be better with finding their directions)

So men has millions of years of evolutionary development in that area while women have other skillsets. But today the woke finds basic evolution and biology sexist. Men and women are similar but there will be differences that will advantage men or women. Join all these things together and typically men TEND to be better suited for war. I ma not saying that woman CANNOT be very good at being a soldier, they will excel at different things.

Nothing would limit their capacity to properly operate a firearm, but granted, they'd carry less equipment on march.

true

Hand-to-hand combat would indeed be a rather great threat, but there are equalizers, such as knives and protective vests.

True...except that you would know that and counter it...especially if you know women are weaker in upper body than most men. They also have a shorter arms so you can reach them before they do. Men are also faster with faster reactions

Not to mention hand-to-hand combat is in the most desperate of scenarios and not commonplace in battle, where engagements occur at ranges of over 100 yards. Crewing vehicles, I doubt women would underperform.

Of course not...which is why I am saying in other subs, where are the women? Not just this war, ANY conflict. And not just 1 or 2 women but all single women. I'll give a pass to women with kids.

there's really not much that would disadvantage a woman in a modern battlefield.

There isn't much, The only other problem is their mentality to death. women tend to be more bothered with death. lets say a child has a bomband you need the shoot her. Would a women do it? men also struggle with it but they follow through only to struggle with PTSD later. I cannot find the report but studies have shown women hesitate (or wont do it) while men tend to take the shot.

Take suicide for example. Why are men successful? They follow it through where as women bail out for various reasons.

These are all datapoints that should be considered.

but women have proportionally more body fat even when muscular and are thus better suited for starvation scenarios

?as in being a prisoner? That bit of fat is not enough as female elite soldier aren't fat to begin with and that little proportionally more body fat is neglible where fit women are concerned.

and again, picking targets at 100 yards or more would be as easy if not easier for women to accomplish.

This is mostly true. One caveat. With female snipers they tend to have urinary infection. Lying prone they tend to pee where they are and cannot even move a bit in fear of being spotted. (they'll lay for up to 72 hrs in one spot)

Plus, I'm betting there are men who'd love to stay at home in the kitchen during war. And peace. And that's like super chill, in my book. Personal freedom's important.

Of course. vs the thousand more women that want to stay.

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We aren't socialized, we are the product of millions of years of evolution.

To imply that society has very little to literally no bearing on our actions is naive and inaccurate. Nature vs. Nurture implies that it can be wholly one or wholly the other, and in reality it's a combination of the two. While instincts and the nature aspect are there in no small part, people are indeed socialized into their environments. There's a reason people born and raised in non-diverse environments fear diversity while those raised in diversity are comfortable with it and more equipped for a diverse world. Because their environment, not their genetics, influence their outlook on the world. Society does have substantial impact upon whether or not we have certain attitudes, cultural perspectives, and even the way we frame and structure thoughts in our brain.

Ask yourself why? Since the cavemen days women had to stay in the camp. They had to forage for fruit and berries.

I'm well aware of this fact. Here's a quick question, though: why does that matter when we in the vast majority of human societies aren't picking berries anymore? Utilizing these skills in other environments is just as valid, especially since the old context has been limited since essentially farming took over.

Great contrast and depth perception due to tracking moving animals and throwing the spear to kill it. That means their meat brain had to do fast calculations in their head to predict where an animal must run.

This is more of an adaptation to all humans, really... we all have good depth perception and ability to track movement. Women have better pattern recognition, as well, while men on average (this is all on average as there is no generalization that will be fully accurate except in the fun and muddy world of averages) have faster reflexes. This is indeed for survival. But again, we're far past the need to hide in the jungles or mountain ranges of the world to struggle for survival, where brute strength would dictate anything of value. Instead, we're talking about warfare. Soldiers, with guns, that we've in no way evolved for, with armored fighting vehicles that in no way resemble horse-riding in the steppe. We're far different from the ancestors' environment that created these traits.

But today the woke finds basic evolution and biology sexist.

Gimme a source to this claim and we can talk more about it, as I'm curious where this was said, aside from strawmanned arguments. I for one, a feminist and a man, am not at all offended by biological differences or "basic biology." It's the refusal to acknowledge that gender as we know it today is not biologically ingrained. I'm not even offended by that as a concept, as I more feel sad for people who believe that all gender differences boils down exclusively to genes, where that is patently false, simply by all the female servicewomen serving our militaries right now voluntarily. I mean, that's a prime example. If women would shudder away entirely from the possibility of warfare or death, then why would there be woman doing that once laws allowed it?

Join all these things together and typically men TEND to be better suited for war. I ma not saying that woman CANNOT be very good at being a soldier, they will excel at different things.

In that I think there is a valid statement. Though to say that that's entirely biology and not societal in some regard is in my personal opinion incorrect. What most antifeminists seem to bemoan, however, is that women are in the military at all, and allowed to join the workforce at all. And that I simply cannot abide by. Discrimination on the basis of gender happens on the basis of the belief that women are not suited for employment. And that's an injustice, in my opinion.

where are the women? Not just this war, ANY conflict. And not just 1 or 2 women but all single women. I'll give a pass to women with kids

First off, in the Russo-Ukrainian War, there is very little combat footage being released. And still, there is footage of women fighting. Saw one just this morning where a woman in a car threw a molotov cocktail at a Russian BTR. So there are women fighting, and they have the right to.

Second, in the grand theme of history, women were simply not allowed to fight in wars. By law. By legal discrimination. Women dressed as men and hid their identities explicitly to serve, it's well-documented in at least 4 cases during the 18th century alone.

In WWII, the closest women could legally get in terms of action in a military unit was joining the Women's Auxiliary Corps, and they were not given weapons. They were given trucks to drive and supplies to haul.

women tend to be more bothered with death. lets say a child has a bomband you need the shoot her. Would a women do it? men also struggle with it but they follow through only to struggle with PTSD later.

This is true, to an extent, but that may be just an effect of the differential effectiveness of operant conditioning tactics and Skinnerean training tactics implemented by the U.S. military since post-WWII. During WWII, less than 1/4th of soldiers would fire their weapons in the direction of the enemy, close to 1 in 5 would, and less than that would shoot to kill. In the Afghanistan conflict, something like over 90% were shooting to kill. Shooting at human silhouette targets, among other tactics to cause somebody to fire made this possible. This is an instance, however, where if a child were to become a necessary threat, instincts may come into conflict with conditioning, granted. Though this happens with men too. To a lesser extent, granted. We all, as humans, have at some level a desire to protect children. Conditioning still won't work on soldiers with 100% success. What we've caused by making our soldiers more likely to fire is turn them into killing machines who were never meant to be killing machines. Men or women. Neither were meant to kill strangers in any capacity. We've even been socialized not to: "Thou shalt not kill", etc.. If anything, this is actually a practice of the military that hurts all our soldiers equally in majorly traumatic ways.

Take suicide for example. Why are men successful? They follow it through where as women bail out for various reasons.

Actually, not just cause they follow through more, but because of the methods used as well. This is also, at least in theory as not enough studies or analyses can be done on this with any level of definite accuracy, potentially also come down to socialization. Combined with nature, sure. Women are encouraged to have a level of beauty, are socialized to always make themselves presentable. Thus, they go with self-poisoning more than not. This means that there's a greater chance that they can be saved by medical professionals who can resuscitate them. Men, however, have no such societal or social pressure, and are more likely to use much faster, violent, and body-damaging ways of suicide, such as firearms, blades, and gravity. Tragic loss of life however you cut it, and it still doesn't illustrate to me aversion to violence above the average human, considering somebody in a suicidal crisis wouldn't likely frame this as violence.

This is mostly true. One caveat. With female snipers they tend to have urinary infection. Lying prone they tend to pee where they are and cannot even move a bit in fear of being spotted. (they'll lay for up to 72 hrs in one spot)

I wasn't talking about snipers, first of all. I mean the average infantry footsoldier. Fighting with standard optics and fighting while spotted by the enemy. Picking a target out with a 2x optic or iron sights at range.

Also fear of being caught and shot is in my opinion a rather human thing, though I see what you're getting at. To be paralyzed with fear in those instances does seem to be a factor, though I'm not knowledgeable of any of the particular stats. What I do know, however, is that with specialist units, they're selected with higher standards than the average soldier, and this the fact that there are female snipers that satisfy requirements means that they have the capability and will to do it.

Also, I'd imagine that men when pinned down or fearing being spotted would become restless in silence or paralyzed just as easily under fire. So, that situationally could also be a disadvantage.

as in being a prisoner? That bit of fat is not enough as female elite soldier aren't fat to begin with and that little proportionally more body fat is neglible where fit women are concerned.

(Missed this one for a sec, lol) I was more thinking a survival scenario, which could include imprisonment. Simple statement here: even the tiniest bit helps. Make the most out of food, all of that, women have the advantage, no matter how small. Even negligible differences in an average scenario become rather major ones in survival situations.

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Yea? Like which bit of it is far removed from reality? Women are the only people who society completely lets off the hook when it comes to shitty behaviour. I know very well there are also men who are bad and do bad things, but guess what they get called out and socially ostracised, if not by all certainly by good people. Women on the other hand can be total assholes and still get praised for it by “feminists” and so called good guys. No guy in his right mind would come out and say a man should have the right to rape or beat up a woman for example. But you don’t have to look far to come across women who encourage each other to cheat on men, emotionally manipulate men, make false accusations against men and call the police on them (even a woman on here has attested that that happens), steal money from men, body shame men, gaslight them etc… all of these things make me genuinely think that if they had the physical ability to do so they would also beat them up and rape them too.

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Women are the only people who society completely lets off the hook when it comes to shitty behavior.

This is generally not true, neither in my experience nor in the people's lives close to me as far as i know.

Women on the other hand can be total assholes and still get praised for it by “feminists” and so called good guy.

This again is not something i or the women in my life participate in, is there contrary evidence? or just tiktok clips for annoying women being cringe?

But you don’t have to look far to come across women who encourage each other to cheat on men, emotionally manipulate men, make false accusations against men and call the police on them

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but this strikes e as especially egregious. Women in general don't encourage such things, and especially not feminists. I trust you don't believe me when i say this but I can only state my case.

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Didn't loads of women work in factories in WW1 and 2? Like the whole land girl movement was a big thing, and a lot of women were in the RAF helping to maintain and use anti aircraft guns here in England, it was a massive step forward in women's rights because it proved that women would step up and were capable during times of crisis, it's what helped women gain roles in the military, and advanced women's work rights.

Most women who served stateside were on naval bases, replacing men who had deployed to Europe. While many female recruits performed clerical duties, some worked as truck drivers, mechanics, radio operators, telephone operators, translators, camouflage artists and munition workers. They had the same responsibilities as their male counterparts and received the same pay of $28.75 per month.

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Title	Feminists want equal rights in confort time. When rough times occur, this happens!
Author	HulkPower
Upvotes	451
Comments	126
Date	February 28, 2022 6:30 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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