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Leading Children’s Hospital Offers Advice For Boys To ‘Tuck’ Their Genitals Out Of Sight | The Daily Wire

jinladen040

March 17, 2022
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/r/MensRights

https://www.dailywire.com/news/theres-no-co-existing-with-evil-like-this-leading-childrens-hospital-offers-advice-for-boys-to-tuck-their-genitals-out-of-sight

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Title Leading Children’s Hospital Offers Advice For Boys To ‘Tuck’ Their Genitals Out Of Sight | The Daily Wire
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jinladen040

Upvotes 13
Comments 13
Date March 17, 2022 5:16 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/tgf77m/leading_childrens_hospital_offers_advice_for_boys/
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Comments

[–]Gumi_Sama 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a scientific fact that your brain isn't fully developed until you're 26. What if you're 11 year old says their trans, or as most 11 year Olds think "dreamsexual" or one of the million of other sexualities that are a little shaky, and you say ok, take them to a doctor, sedate them, cut off or remove their genitals, then in 8 years they say it was just a faze? Imagine how fucking stupid you would feel, your 11 year old child just got their genitals removed because they think in order to feel loved they need be a girl, since only girls get love. That's sad.

[–]zogins 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article confused me a little at first but then I suddenly remembered that when I was very young, while playing with myself, I found that I could hide 'everything' by putting them between my legs and closing my thighs tightly. I just found it funny that I looked like a girl down there. But this is not something that I repeated or enjoyed.

I can understand homosexuality but I've never been able to understand the wish for a man to change into a woman. The thought of having one's penis and testicles removed is something that I find scary. So the only thing that I can understand is that anyone willing to go through such a thing must feel very strongly about the issue.

The article states that 'normally' therapy / counselling for trans children starts when they are 10/11 years old. I really do not feel that I have the right to interfere with other people's lives but I find it strange that young children can make such decisions.

[–]jinladen040[S] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

So now we have Leading Childrens hospital teaching our young children to tuck their testicles? I have absolutely no issue with LGBTQ+ people, i actually encourage them to live their life as they see fit.

But when we have a Leading Childrens Hospital teaching children, yes children how to tuck their testicles, that's too far. These are children who lack the experience or even sexuality to understand how they identify, many of whom i can imagine have yet to enter puberty.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My gay friends and cousins told me they knew from an early age. I don't know any trans people but if it makes a kid feel better, it's not hurting me.

[–]jinladen040[S] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a fair argument. Ive heard some people claim they knew from an early age and others have said they discovered later in life.

But i also feel there is a fine line to allow a person to discover gender on their own and pushing gender narratives onto them. I'm all for someone discovering on their own and i would want a transgender to feel free to explore such aspects of their gender.

But at what point is society pushing too far? I already feel like we're not giving our young men the freedom to become proper men as it is.

[–]UnfurtletDawn 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well since like 80% of kids that thought they were trans change their mind later on...

But this is pushed now with all the LGBTQ+ basically it's becoming trendy.

[–]Huffers1010 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

See my earlier reply - "children" usually means people up to 18, and even beyond in some cases (it's a sad reflection on the modern world that people up to 25 have been referred to paediatric mental health services, if I remember the article correctly, but that's another issue entirely).

If you have a mid-teen MTF transsexual who wants to do this, that's pretty normal, and much better that the info is available. It depends where this information is being distributed. If it's on a leaflet rack in the gender clinic, it's fine. If it's being pushed as a normal way to behave on every eight year old boy, that's not fine, but I can't imagine why anyone would ever do that.

Do we have any actual context for this?

[–]jinladen040[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I feel children lack the experience in their own sexuality and gender and have no business transitioning before puberty at all. Children are impressionable and most don't truly know what they want.

The other half of me says after puberty and being old enough to experience sexuality, then i feel its ok to transition. Allow some life experience first before lifechanging decisions.

And this is just the first step also. The next step would be hormone blockers/HRT, then finally SRS. And i feel we should be even more cautionable in those experiences.

And transitions have been pushed in the past on younger individuals who now regret such decisions and feel they were convinced and rushed.

[–]Huffers1010 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I feel children lack the experience in their own sexuality and gender and have no business transitioning before puberty at all.

There's two things to be aware of about that.

First, people who are gender dysphoric, in the properly diagnosed sense, tend to know at a very early age, long before puberty. Often it's one of people's earliest memories, which is pretty much what you'd expect. It's about identity, not sexual orientation or who you fancy. You don't need to have an adult sexual orientation in order to be gender dysphoric. It's a weird distinction but important.

Second, obviously, if you let people go through puberty then they're going to end up with much, much worse outcomes from treatment, especially for people born male who are likely to end up talking like a guy for the rest of their lives and there is not currently much that medicine can do about that. That's an absolute disaster for that individual.

If there's a problem it's that, as you say, there has been some suggestion people have been encouraged to transition as some sort of political statement, when really they shouldn't. Obviously, this is not something to support. Gender dysphoria is a rare condition that needs to be diagnosed very carefully and usually it is. If that's not happening then that's something to oppose, but the nuance is very important here. It's not a reason for blanket opposition to kids getting early treatment, because their entire lives are likely to be much better if they do.

Ideally I'd agree with you - wait until you're sure - but there are massive, crippling downsides to waiting. This is why puberty blockers exist - to extend the decision window, and to minimise exactly the problems you're describing.

I don't think any of this is really that controversial, is it?

[–]MiddleReasonable647 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Really. Explain then why suicide rates are so high in people who go through medical and surgical transition!!?
It’s dangerous to give hormonal treatments to young kids before their brains are fully myelinated.

[–]Huffers1010 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd hazard a guess that people who have gender dysphoria have a high suicide rate because even with treatment it is an incredibly unpleasant experience.

More formally, you'd need to show causation, or, in more everyday language, what you're seeing could simply be that people who have the condition suffer high suicide rates anyway. Would more of them attempt suicide with or without treatment? I don't know, I'm not a specialist, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume the treatment helps. You could look it up.

In general, I don't think anyone wants to medicate kids for the sake of it, but again, that's why some of these drugs exist - to give people more time to make the choice. I would hate to deny anyone that on the basis of some ideological, rather than psychological or medical, objection.

You risk seeming as if you are (and I'm not saying you are) taking an ideological position that tends to do something incredibly destructive by denying these people access to treatment which, as I say, is likely to give them a much better result.

I mean, you know, imagine if you woke up in a body of the "wrong" sex tomorrow morning. Not tremendously pleasant.

[–]MiddleReasonable647 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your should know the data if you’re defending hormonal and/or surgical sex changes in children. Johns Hopkins abandoned it for years after the John Money disaster.

[–]Huffers1010 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Presumably this is aimed at transsexuals - in which case fine. No? Context matters...

I mean, that hospital has a gender services clinic and "children" will mean people up to at least 18.

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