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In a move that will increase gender equality by providing women with the same post-fertilization reproductive rights as men, Supreme Court is poised to overturn Roe V. Wade

ThePickleOfJustice

May 3, 2022
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Title In a move that will increase gender equality by providing women with the same post-fertilization reproductive rights as men, Supreme Court is poised to overturn Roe V. Wade
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ThePickleOfJustice

Upvotes 0
Comments 59
Date May 3, 2022 2:13 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
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Comments

[–]Saleri52 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I know that this is a joke title but in the end this just makes it harder to grant men reproductive rights as well. Banning abortion just helps nobody other than fundamentalists, as it drives the nation further into poverty.

[–]neveragoodtime 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This wouldn’t ban abortion. It would remove the constitutional protection for abortion. It would be up to the democratically elected officials to vote to ban it.

[–]TAPriceCTR 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And human fetuses

[–]ThePickleOfJustice[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's an opportunity for MRAs and Feminists to work together for a common good. We'll help them out with getting abortion rights re-established if they help us out with getting men the right to financial abortion.

[–]TrilIias -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Speak for yourself. Many MRAs, myself included, are pro-life and will do no such things as helping feminists get abortion re-established.

[–]ignatztempotypo 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

While I applaud your wording, it won't be seen that way. It'll be a renewed rallying cry against "the patriarchy".

Gonna be some marches coming up. 🙄 I'll make popcorn...

[–]Saleri52 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The matriarchy hurts women too!

[–]ignatztempotypo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Buahahaha 😂

[–]ThePickleOfJustice[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (59 children) | Copy Link

I don't personally support this decision, but it is more gender equal than the precedent.

[–]untalented_frog 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Seriously?

You think that women being forced to give birth is "more equal" then when women ACTUALLY HAD THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT IS IN THEIR F*CKING BODY?I am a BIG men's rights activist AND a women's rights activist but come on guys, dont make this about you. every woman who gets pregnant is going to be forced to carry an entire fetus INSIDE of her for 9 FRICKING MONTHS and push out of the smallest hole. They are going to be forced to go through morning sickness, depression, health risks, overall danger, and changes to their body. Republicans are making NO exceptions for victims of rape or underage girls, so if a 12 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant, she will be forced to carry the fetus to term and give birth to her RAPIST'S child.

Does this sound like "more equal" to you? What the hell dude? What is wrong with you? A man will NEVER have to endure this sort of thing, like literally NEVER. Gender equality my ass. Its clear you do NOT care about that if you think forced birth is "equal".

[–]kireol 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's literally more equal. Yes. Men have NO reproductive rights right now. None. Not even abstinence(e.g. the times when sperm donors and boys raped are both forced to pay child support to the aggressor women.)

[+]untalented_frog 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Bruh. Sperm donors are not forced to pay child support. Not to mention many times a man gets a women pregnant, doesnt get involved with the child (which is totally fine its his decision) and doesnt pay anything. Why do you think single moms exist?

You say men have no reproductive rights. This is not true. They ALREADY have fundamental rights in the way that they cant get pregnant, dont have to go through pain every month, and can never be forced to have a child they dont want. Men are usually NOT forced to pay child support if they got the woman pregnant, the woman wanted to keep it, and he didnt want to be involved. He doesnt have to pay child support. That is a a pretty big myth.

[–]kireol 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bruh. You are wrong

https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/23/justice/kansas-sperm-donation/index.html

Stop typing. What you typed just makes you look really foolish. Spend some time educating yourself instead of just being blatantly wrong on so many things

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I refuse to have a bullet potentially go through my body, I don't want to sign up for the draft. My body myself. Or is this only for some. And is war really so far from possible?

[+]untalented_frog 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont support the military draft. Almost no women's rights activists do. Why are you acting like this is a "gotcha" moment for abortion supporters? Cause almost none of us support the military draft as well.

[–]Input_output_error 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Seriously?

Yes, or are you saying men have an equal say in when they get to become a parent?

You think that women being forced to give birth is "more equal" then
when women ACTUALLY HAD THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHAT IS IN THEIR F*CKING
BODY?

Here is the thing, men are always told that if they didn't want to become a parent then they shouldn't have had sex. So either give men equal rights, or, get the same rights as men.

[–]wumbo-inator 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean. He’s not saying it is perfectly equal and good. He’s simply saying that now men and women are closer in the amount of rights they have.

His point is that men had NONE... and so if you’re pro-choice then you’re literally proving his point. The fact that this thing that you think is terrible is the amount of rights men have had means that men’s rights when it comes to reproduction have been dismal.

[–]Virtual-Possible5646 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As a man, I have no idea what kind of wanna be persecuted bullshit this is. I have all the reproductive rights In the world, I don’t want a child, I wear a condom. I’ve been in sexual situations where the girl I’m with says “you don’t have to wear a condom, just pull out” guess what I did? Put on a condom. My rights are perfectly fine, speak for yourself and the other little boys who want to blame others for their failures.

[–]wumbo-inator 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t have to only speak for myself, as the laws apply to all men in the United States.

And you could say the same for women that you said for yourself. Don’t want a baby? Use a condom. Do anal. Tell your boyfriend to pull out.

I don’t know if you’re just unaware or if you’re ignoring the many options women have once a pregnancy has occurred versus the little choice men have. That’s what this whole conversation is about. Roe V Wade says nothing about preventative measures for pregnancy. It’s about after pregnancy has occurred, and the rights that exist at that point.

[–]ThePickleOfJustice[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You realize that male children that are raped are already legally required to take on the responsibilities of parenthood, right?

[+]Virtual-Possible5646 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (46 children) | Copy Link

In terms of reproductive rights men and women are different and can’t be treated equally. Anyone who supports the government intervening in health decisions between you and your doctor is an idiot.

[–]Input_output_error 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (45 children) | Copy Link

In terms of reproductive rights men and women are different and can’t be treated equally.

Yea no, men and women might be different but that is no reason to not treat them unequally. Our society has made numerous laws to ensure equal treatment under law.

Tell me, why is it that we can't give men the same reproductive rights as women? We have lowered standards for women to be able to join things like the fire department. There are rules that ensure women get jobs in just about every sector that they like. There are many more rules in place that ensure that women can compete with where men have previously dominated. That is okay, but why can't we make rules that ensure the same kind of treatment for men in places were women are dominating?

We can give man the same reproductive rights as women, it is just that people don't want to.

[+]Virtual-Possible5646 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Giving men the same reproductive rights as women would be giving them agency over someone else’s body you dolt. All the other shit you mentioned has nothing to do with any with of this ya fucking cry baby lol Also it’s very easy for men to dominate in female dominated professions. Male teachers, nurses, and social workers make about 10% more than women.

[–]Input_output_error 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

No, it would give man agency over their own body.

Going on insulting people isn't really a good way of convincing someone.

Now tell me, why is it too much to ask of women to find a willing partner to have kids with.

[+]Virtual-Possible56461 points 4 years ago [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

As an adult with a child, I wouldn’t want to have children with someone I didn’t know completely. My wife and had conversations as to when we’d have to children and decided when we’d have one together. If you’re out randomly fucking and the person you’re fucking gets pregnant, sorry bud, that’s the difference in anatomy. Not your choice what medical decisions someone else makes.

Are you that desperate for a child that you know if any woman gives you the chance to fuck your have to take it as a chance to impregnate her? Are you that desperate for a kid you’d want an unwilling partner in all this? You do see how sad this makes you seem right?

[–]Input_output_error 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

As an adult with a child, I wouldn’t want to have children with someone Ididn’t know completely. My wife and had conversations as to when we’dhave to children and decided when we’d have one together. If you’re outrandomly fucking and the person you’re fucking gets pregnant, sorry bud,that’s the difference in anatomy. Not your choice what medicaldecisions someone else makes.

Oh right, it's always this 'randomly fucking'.. Couldn't possibly be that condoms break, right?

And difference in anatomy!? Guess we don't need women's sport, if they can't compete too bad, it's just their anatomy.

Like i've said before, there are millions of rules that negate these biological differences. Claiming but muh biology here is plainly stupid and really not an argument.

Then you go back to the insults again, doesn't look good on you, yet it does suit you...

And you do realize that it isn't me who forces partners, those are the women remember?? So again, why is it soooo much of women to ask them to find willing partners to have children with?

[+]Virtual-Possible5646 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Your birth control that you’ve chosen to wear fails and you want the kid? Lmao that some odd logic there. and you’ve obviously never broken a condom, you can feel that shit right away, pull out put on a new one champ. As far as ripping on ya for wanting to be persecuted so badly, yeah I’ll stop, it’s obviously a fetish of yours. Good luck convincing everyone you’re oppressed and not just bad at being a man, easiest shit I’ve ever done.

[–]Input_output_error 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Your birth control that you’ve chosen to wear fails and you want the kid?

The fuck are on about, you must be high.

and you’ve obviously never broken a condom, you can feel that shit right away, pull out put on a new one champ.

Right.. Must have never happened to me.. You know that is not an argument, right??

As far as ripping on ya for wanting to be persecuted so badly, yeah I’ll stop, it’s obviously a fetish of yours.

And again with the insults, you haven't made a comment without.. tough guy, lol.

Good luck convincing everyone you’re oppressed and not just bad at being a man, easiest shit I’ve ever done.

And after saying you'd stop with the insults, you continue with the insults.

Still haven't said anything on why women can't find willing partners to have children with. Guess there isn't a reason why women should be able to force men into parenthood..

So i'll ask a third time, why can't women just find willing partners?

[+]Virtual-Possible56461 points 4 years ago [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

We’re talking about abortions rights, this is forcing them to be partnered with someone they don’t want a child with? What the fuck are you talking about women finding willing parters? This is about the right to dictate decisions about your own body lmao you’re fucking lost dude. Good luck with that persecution fetish of yours.

[–]Input_output_error2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

We’re talking about abortions rights, this is forcing them to be partnered with someone they don’t want a child with?

Men who are not willing to become a parent are often forced into parenthood.

What the fuck are you talking about women finding willing parters?

Men have no say in them becoming a parent or not, so they do not have the same rights as women.

This is about the right to dictate decisions about your own body lmao
you’re fucking lost dude. Good luck with that persecution fetish of
yours.

So sperm is part of a female body now? It takes two to make a baby, but only one party has a say in it. Men do not have bodily autonomy, they never had. And here you are crying about bodily autonomy of the other sex, your a real class A moron.

[–]Virtual-Possible56461 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Okay, I get what you’re worried about now, took a while cause it’s the dumbest fucking argument in the world and only a true idiot could come up with this but here’s why a woman can use your sperm what’s you willing donate into her vagina. If you willing shoot your sperm into a woman and it fertilizes an egg, that is no longer your sperm. It has its own unique dna strand created by the woman’s body which will actually stay as part of the womans dna for up to 16 years after the child is born. You don’t want your sperm used unwillingly? Don’t dump into someone else’s body you fucking dolt lol I’m so glad no woman will ever touch you cause anyone as dumb as you should never procreate.

[–]Input_output_error2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Okay, I get what you’re worried about now, took a while cause it’s the
dumbest fucking argument in the world and only a true idiot could come
up with this but here’s why a woman can use your sperm what’s you
willing donate into her vagina. If you willing shoot your sperm into a
woman and it fertilizes an egg, that is no longer your sperm.

If this is such a dumb argument why are you so fussed about no abortion? Did the woman not willingly receive the man's sperm? She willingly had her egg fertilized.

But that is besides the point as your argument is stupid. Now, at what point did the man consent to parenthood? Was it with sex? If so then the woman also consented to exactly the same thing.

It has its own unique dna strand created by the woman’s body which will
actually stay as part of the womans dna for up to 16 years after the
child is born.

Right, and why should they be able to kill this unique dna strand off? She consented to sex, so she consented to parenthood, at least that is what you keep telling men.

You don’t want your sperm used unwillingly? Don’t dump into someone
else’s body you fucking dolt lol I’m so glad no woman will ever touch
you cause anyone as dumb as you should never procreate.

And again with the insults, you certainly don't seem to be able to have a reasonable discussion. All you do is say platitudes and name calling.

I pity your child as no child should have such a dumbass for a parent.

[–]Virtual-Possible56460 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

100% you can control where your cum goes. You make that body decision for yourself other people make their decisions about their bodies for themselves. Pretty simple concept but you obviously want the government to make those decisions for you. I can show you how to not be a bitch to the government but I can’t stop you from licking the shit off their boots. Good luck out there kid

[–]Input_output_error2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No you can't, condoms fail, pretty simple concept. Stop having children, they can't live on fallacies you know.

[–]Virtual-Possible56460 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Lol don’t know how to wrap your dick up? Someone sounds like the moron here and it ain’t me

[–]Input_output_error2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Oh with the name calling again... I pity your child, you should not be a parent.

[–]untalented_frog -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

I think many men DO have the same reproductive rights as women. First of all, men cant get pregnant, so they dont have to worry about that. Second of all, they dont have to go through debilitating cramps every month, so yup. Third, if they do get a girl pregnant and she decides to keep it, most of the time the man does NOT have to give his "entire life savings" to her. It really doesnt work like that, which is why you see so many single moms that don't get any money from the biological father of the child.

But I would like to be corrected if I'm wrong, since I am a big advocate for both women's AND men's rights.

[–]Input_output_error 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

None of this is about rights, all you did is sum up some physical differences. Yes, men and women are different, men do not get pregnant. But men also do not have bodily autonomy, they do not have a say if their sperm is used to procreate.

Men generally speaking are on the hook for the children that they fathered, but they don't get a say in when this is happening.

[+]untalented_frog -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because men have physical differences that make it so they usually invest less into a child, the cost of a baby is usually more on the women (physically, mentally, and even financially) That is why women have more reproductive rights then men, since they just need them more.

I think the argument of men's sperm being used to procreate without their permission doesnt really work, since a man donating sperm does not take a toll on his body. He doenst have to carry the child for 9 months, he is only donating a bit of DNA. That is literally his entire contribution that takes absolutely no toll on him.

[–]Input_output_error 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because men have physical differences that make it so they usually
invest less into a child, the cost of a baby is usually more on the
women (physically, mentally, and even financially) That is why women
have more reproductive rights then men, since they just need them more.

What kind of sexist bullshit is this? None of this has anything to do with having rights. Men have always died in wars dangerous jobs and what not, should men have more say on what is happening politically? That is what you are arguing here.

I think the argument of men's sperm being used to procreate without
their permission doesnt really work, since a man donating sperm does not
take a toll on his body. He doenst have to carry the child for 9
months, he is only donating a bit of DNA. That is literally his entire
contribution that takes absolutely no toll on him.

Why should it matter what it does with his body? It will consume his life for the next 18+ year at least, at most the remainder of his life.

[–]wumbo-inator 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You do realize the “women can get pregnant so they should have more rights” is LITERALLY the reason women are sexually objectified and seen as baby incubators right? You’re literally saying women deserve more rights because of their sexuality and how it plays out in reproduction.

Nobody “needs more rights” than another. That’s called privilege and discrimination. We need equal rights.

[+]Virtual-Possible5646 -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol this guy looking for any reason to justify rape. This is one of the dumbest subs

[+]Virtual-Possible5646 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also men can just wear a condom.

[+]Virtual-Possible5646 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

You totally have a say, you can wear a condom. Careful bud you’re outing yourself as an unfuckable dork

[–]Input_output_error 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Careful and don't cut yourself on that edge... But, women have the pill, so no need for abortions, right!? Idiot..

[+]Virtual-Possible56461 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (17 children) | Copy Link

And at the end of the day it’s still there body so if their choice just as it was your choice not to wear a condom. Would you like a law that makes you wear a condom every time you have sex until your married? I mean obviously you wouldn’t, like I mentioned in my last comment you’re obviously so desperate for an attempt at procreation you’ll raw dog anyone that gives ya the chance.

[–]Input_output_error 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

What have you been smoking? She made the choice to have sex, she shouldn't have the ability to have an abortion. That is your logic here, not mine. All i did is reverse the genders and voila... Your just a sexist who doesn't have an argument so you revert back to insults, not an unseen behavior of feminist.

[+]Virtual-Possible5646 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Reverse the genders, no need, covid vaccinations are now mandatory. Don’t get them, get locked up. You’re all for it?

[–]Input_output_error2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Okay... So how about you telling me why it is too much to ask women to find willing partners to have children with, man have to.

[–]Virtual-Possible56460 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Honestly have no ducking clue what you’re talking about with this partner thing. This is about rights to privacy and autonomy over your body ya weirdo.

[–]Input_output_error2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Honestly have no ducking clue what you’re talking about with this
partner thing. This is about rights to privacy and autonomy over your
body ya weirdo.

I know you aren't smart, but you can't be this stupid. Yes, it is about bodily autonomy, and how men have never had it.

So again, why can't men decide when they become a parent? Why is it too much to ask of women to find a willing partner?

[–]Virtual-Possible56461 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Lol you can control if you become a parent of wearing a condom or not. You were born without the ability to build a baby in your body. That’s the reality of life. If you’re not happy with being a man you’re free to transition

[–]Input_output_error2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No you can't control becoming a parent with wearing a condom. Again, please do not have more children, they deserve better.

[–]White_Ranger33 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Y’all are crazy. This concept is soaked in religious fundamentalism that wants nothing more than more brains to indoctrinate. Including more boys cut and brainwashed. Shame on you apologists.

[–]wumbo-inator 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think the point of this post is that we should be pro life. The point of this post is that everyone is angry that women might lose reproductive rights... when men have been in that situation for decades already.

The point is if you think THIS is bad... well this is how men have been treated for a long while

[+]Cat_in_the_hat113 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Republicans can now ban abortion nationwide via federal law if they get elected.

They will never win another election cycle again.

[–]ignatztempotypo -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Watch them.

[+]Cat_in_the_hat113 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean I will. Watch the polls all magically change from next week on as this becomes a national issue. 75% of Americans, including a plurality of Republicans, now support Roe and abortion protections. Nobody but religious right wing Christian fundamentalists support overturning it.

Only chance Rs have is if it doesn't become a national issue and fades into the background with inflation, supply issues etc but that's unlikely as most major Dems are already talking about it, prospective Dem senate candidates are all calling for Roe to be codified in federal law and they had to put a barricade around SCOTUS to deal with a massive march where people have been throwing feces at the building tonight.

Shit's about to get ugly for the Republicans.

[–]ThePickleOfJustice[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

75% of Americans, including a plurality of Republicans, now support Roe and abortion protections.

When asked the question, 75% may say that. However, for a lot of people, it's really just a non-issue and it's not going to influence their vote. Keep their taxes low, keep the economy rolling, keep social security funded - you get their vote. They don't really care about your position on abortion.

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