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I did a podcast: The unpopular other half of gender equality, with TheTinMen.

TheTinMenBlog

December 15, 2022
126 upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
https://mikecampbell.com.au/063-the-unpopular-other-half-of-gender-equality-with-the-tin-men/
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Title I did a podcast: The unpopular other half of gender equality, with TheTinMen.
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TheTinMenBlog

Upvotes 126
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Date December 15, 2022 7:59 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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[–]TheTinMenBlogvalued LWMA contributor[S] 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Interested to hear your thoughts?

I've been invited on a few more, The Zaddy Zone with Luke Cook and perhaps JustPearlyThings early next year.

[–]nineteenletterslong_ 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

i think you did a great job. i'm not sure what else there is to say. maybe some points were weak, for example when you said you "heard" 11% of male suicides are tied to domestic violence. i can't think of anything constructive and you're already well versed in the topic.

i think the most powerful notion against your activism is the idea that society as a whole is control by men to oppress women, so any problem men face is either deserved or unimportant. this is what may cause people to curb their activism even when they agree on everything you say and it's why we also debunk feminism in the MRM. however can't say it's wise to bring up feminism's role in the problems you mentioned until it becomes necessary, such as in a debate, so you probably did well not to confront it even though it's your biggest enemy. you did confront the fear that activism for men comes at the expense of women and this is probably as far as it was wise to go.

i don't know who those other guys are, but very few people are aware of the things you talked about so i doubt you're wasting your time with their audience. i'm sure many were educated and made to think.

[–]TheTinMenBlogvalued LWMA contributor[S] 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you!

when you said you “heard” 11% of male suicides are tied to domestic violence.

This came from Deborah Powney who I recently interviewed for my next podcast episode. So I was hesitant to speak with too much confidence, so well noticed!

however can’t say it’s wise to bring up feminism’s role in the problems you mentioned until it becomes necessary, such as in a debate,

Very true.

A big part of me thinks it’s worth avoiding, in favour of simply presenting the factual evidence around what’s happening to men and boys, in a calm and measured way.

Any uncomfortable realisations around feminism / patriarchy theory will come later, when the person is ready to reflect and perhaps reconsider.

I guess I’ll put down the dots, and wait for them to be connected.

Thanks for the feedback!

[–]Mortago_109 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Don't know Zaddy or Luke, but Pearlythings is a redpiller and not what the MRM needs.

[–]TheTinMenBlogvalued LWMA contributor[S] 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You think it’s a bad idea?

I don’t know much about her, and wouldn’t be going on to necessarily agree with what they say.

[–]Cerberus11x 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say that pearly tends to focus more on relationships and dating, and at least for me that's not really what I'm interested in. But of course, maybe you are interested in that. Or if you aren't, you might be capable of getting off that topic.

[–]matrixislife 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the people in here don't need convincing that there's a problem with men's issues, it's the people not in here that need showing. So long as an interviewer isn't actively hostile to the concepts and are willing to consider your points at face value it's worth pursuing.

[–]OGBoglord 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

She's stated in an interview that she believes women shouldn't have the right to vote until they can be drafted into war (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oye3f04KPVg&ab_channel=AbaNPreach).

I'm sure most of us here are in support of a gender-neutral draft (if a draft must exist at all) but certainly not at the expense of women's fundamental rights as free citizens.

Obviously you're free to go if you'd like, but please be cognizant of what the perception will inevitably be of a male advocate going onto a redpill guru's podcast. The internet is more familiar with her work than they are yours, so associating with her will likely color people's perception of you before they even get the chance to see your content.

[–]ChimpPimp20 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. Big oof on that. That’s like a feminist going on the Drew Afualo (or whatever her name is) podcast.

[–]nineteenletterslong_ 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you don't have to agree with everyone you talk to

[–]lingdingwhoopy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

JustPearlyThings? Oh no....

[–]CompetitiveOwl2 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only objection I had was when you said the thing about male CEOs naturally making work environments which are beneficial to men (this was how I heard it, if I am mistaken please correct me). I don't believe this is remotely true. CEOs class interests align with the capitalist class and therefore what they do is make the business as profitable as possible at the expense of the worker.

They've overworked, under paid and under appreciated male employees for generations just as they do with female employees. I don't see any support from male CEOs for any male issues either. I'm not convinced female CEOs would do any better for female workers.

There are legitimate women's issues which aren't shared with men (being overworked and having no access to childcare and affects both parties even if people don't recognise that this is upsetting for men) such as understanding that some women's periods come with a level of pain which is very disruptive to their ability to work. I am speculating but it wouldn't surprise me if both male and female CEOs have brought in cheap placating practices like acknowledging international women's day but don't provide sanitary products for women or allow flexibility where possible to accommodate their difficulties with female specific health issues.

I also think it's simply unhelpful to aim for equal numbers in every profession and job role, not that you advocated this but I think it's where the line of thinking generally leads.

What I personally think is necessary is for employers to be made aware of and pressured to cater to the needs of all their employees. You have one female employee? Well you should be providing sanitary products for her, I don't care if she's the only one.

Perhaps it's unfair to pick on one relatively small comment but I think we need to be extremely careful in this conversation.

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