Has Men's Rights Activism entered a new Phase?

Standard-Broccoli107 · 2023-01-01T19:08:53+00:00

I certainly wasnt aware in 2013. The issue is how to mobilize? Youll need people willing to risk their social and economic futures. And although I believe in justice I believe in friends and eating more.

63daddy · 2023-01-01T20:41:58+00:00

The MRM has had very, very little success in influencing policy. They have helped achieve more equal parenting rights in some states, but their small victories pale in comparison to feminist lobbying.

While I think awareness is growing, I think The vast majority of the people are still ignorant of most of the biases against males. The Women’s Educational Equity Act for example turned the tide of education against boys, but I bet fewer than 1% of people know this.

Most men’s issues are buried under a mountain of feminist misinformation. Most people still incorrectly think the wage gap compares equal work. Many people I know incorrectly think no women could vote prior to 1920.

Men’s organizations are small, less powerful, less organized and far less financed than feminist organizations.

I think MRAs are aware of the issues but the public is overall not. Men’s groups haven’t grown strong enough or organized enough to have much political influence. Gaining influence takes time and the MRM has the incredible challenge of having to fight much more established feminism. Progress will be difficult and slow.

2023-01-01T20:03:28+00:00

I think we're seeing the MRM stepping up as a mainstream political force. The reaction an MRA gets in public places is noticeably better than it would have been 10 years ago. Even non-MRA spaces, I see misandry being more noticed and talked about.

TrilIias · 2023-01-01T20:35:51+00:00

The way I see it, we're on the verge of moving into stage 2, but we're not there yet.

Focus on social issues seems to come in waves. From 2012 to 2015 it was LGB issues. From 2015 to 2018 it was on feminism, antifeminism, and men's rights issues. From 2019 to 2021 it was on race and police brutality. In 2022 and today the focus is on transgender issues, and more focus is starting to be placed on LGB issues again as well. We are also seeing more focus on abortion, but interestingly that hasn't brought a return to the focus on feminism and men's and women's issues more broadly, like what we saw in 2015-2018.

During that 2015-2018 time period we saw a ton of progress for the MRM. That was an easy time for us to make progress because there were people who had already spent years building up the case for men's rights, and once the public was interested in such issues it was easy for people to see MRAs kicking butt in debates and conversations with feminists. That was a really hard time for the political left and feminists in particular, and it's not a if things have gotten better for them because they started winning on these issues, it's that the issues people cared about changed. It's easier for the left to win on race or LGB issues than on feminism.

It's not easy for us to make progress if the public isn't focused on the issues we talk about. You need their attention. You also need to be ready for that attention, as the MRM was in 2015. I think a time is coming soon when we will once again see a renewed interest in the feminism/antifeminism/MRM topic, and when that happens we need to be ready. If we are, we could definitively move into stage 2. Also, we would have the advantage of having built off the progress made from 2015-2018, which I don't think has been lost. Not to mention, a lot of the people who took interest in the MRM and antifeminism were quite young at the time. This second time around those people will be older, with more influence and ability to mobilize.

A caveat though, I doubt the Left wants the public to focus too much on feminism more broadly. If they did, the overturning of Roe was their chance. Why didn't they take it? Is it because they know they'll get crushed again and it would be like returning to that 2015-2018 era where it was actually popular to be an antifeminist? LGB issues are great for the Left. We have limited power to control the public focus, we kinda just have to wait for either the Left or the Right to make it about feminism/antifeminism/the MRM.

Basically, get ready, because soon we'll have a chance to really step things up, but this time Feminists know we exist and that we aren't as easy to dismiss as they thought we would be in 2015, so they'll push hard and we have to be prepared.

iainmf · 2023-01-02T04:33:56+00:00

I think advocating for men's rights is different because most people already agree with gender equality. The issue we face is getting people to do what they have already agreed to do. That is, treat men and women equally.

I think we can do all 3 steps simultaneously and they will reinforce each other.

g1455ofwater · 2023-01-01T21:27:35+00:00

Legally it's gotten worse since 2013 but the sentiment amongst the general public has improved and I think public sentiment is more important than laws because it doesn't matter what laws are on the books they won't be enforced fairly if you are seen as a lower class citizen not worthy of empathy and equality.

I still don't really see a significant change in the gamma bias paradigm yet though.

OrionBartholomew · 2023-01-02T16:18:54+00:00

MRAs aren't allowed to speak on college campuses. Misandry and male disposability are deeply ingrained in most cultures, to the point that, because it's hidden in plain sight (think male-only draft) misandry isn't even widely recognized.

Any man that stands up will be quickly cancelled in the mainstream. So much so that he will struggle to survive financially thereafter. Everywhere he goes, he'll be slandered as a misogynist woman hater. Only men with a large capital backing can afford to attempt to go mainstream with such ideas.

It's why we have the male only draft. Men are culturally relegated to roles as financial slaves and, under the male-only draft, the human sacrifices of women and women's state violence proxy (powerful male actors that need women's votes to survive).

That's the brutal truth.

Forcetobereckonedwit · 2023-01-01T22:48:12+00:00

Yes, MR issues are starting to appear in mainstream media. That's called awareness, and that's all.

griii2 · 2023-01-02T11:44:30+00:00

Shameless plug:

I have started r/ToxicFeminismIsToxic to document how feminists are hurting men.

Importantly, the sub is hate-free and based on evidence. The plan is to turn it into a website in the future so that discussions about men's issues can be easily backed by evidence.

zb_feels · 2023-01-02T13:31:02+00:00

I hope you are right, man, but I am very cautious about ever getting optimistic on this. There is just so much misandry around people in unearned positions of power and it's going to take at least a generation for it to wash out. I do what I can but I have actually resigned myself into hoping that even though my generation is fucked, the next one will have it better.

Terrible_Head_8847 · 2023-01-02T23:47:38+00:00

Lots of men and also women in certain scenarios (mother of sons, partner of a divorced man etc) have little patience for feminism now and they just do the minimum outwardly to keep the peace while internally planning to not participate in or support whatever is being planned.

Title	Has Men's Rights Activism entered a new Phase?
Author	shit-zen-giggles
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Date	January 1, 2023 7:03 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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