Just another attempt to catalog boys and men in a database with no due process or means of getting out.

machismo_eels · 2023-01-31T20:08:11+00:00

Next they’ll use AI to make predictions about your likelihood to commit crimes and then arrest you before it happens. Progress!

BobbingForBunions · 2023-02-01T00:23:30+00:00

Just a friendly reminder...

Never talk to cops.

Divine_ruler · 2023-01-31T18:52:34+00:00

Do they’re trying to put people in a database based on info that indicates potential danger? Is this just everyone goes in it or only after the questions are asked they get recorded?

Reception-Livid · 2023-02-01T01:50:06+00:00

I’m sure they’ll ask these questions of a male in a suspected domestic abuse case. Not just the women.

phoenixthekat · 2023-02-01T03:30:58+00:00

What happens if I refuse to answer these 11 questions? They couldn't compell me to answer them.

_Duriel_1000_ · 2023-02-01T02:43:16+00:00

You have the right to remain silence.

Whole-Wishbone-7539 · 2023-01-31T18:40:42+00:00

"The Senate bill also includes provisions to create a law enforcement database for responses to the lethality screenings so officers can access information on prior lethality assessments conducted by any department statewide to better understand and protect victims. Weiler said the database wouldn’t be publicly accessible to ensure it didn’t violate the due process of people investigated yet not convicted of any crimes."

AirSailer · 2023-01-31T19:41:33+00:00

Since Petito was the violent one according to the police would she have been the one in the database?

neosharkey · 2023-02-02T04:00:53+00:00

The Lt Governor should push for divorce reform. I wonder how many incidents happen because the man can’t leave a bad situation because it will financially ruin him, then one day he snaps.

AITA-TA-unwanted · 2023-02-04T02:56:32+00:00

As a man this is great. Women are extremely emotional and psychotic. This will bite them in the ass so hard.

Frird2008 · 2023-02-04T21:05:48+00:00

1984

rahsoft · 2023-02-05T14:58:19+00:00

those in the assessment are designed to screen for risk and are based on
statistical data that draws correlations between certain behaviours and
danger to potential victims’ lives,

thats the problem right there.

statistical data, which we all know has been corrupted by bias, unverified by peer review and provided by parties with an agenda. The database will be hidden from the public since scrutiny will demonstrate its bias, and its lack of data protection legal compliance( eg holding false data). all it takes is a lawyer to pull this apart in a trial( but by then the damage has been done)

if you want a good example of the bias for the database will have, look at chatgpt....

... and AP used the petitio case.. an own goal in the lack of critical thinking by AP.

average_texas_guy · 2023-01-31T23:39:10+00:00

I didn't see in the article that this was only going to apply to men. Did I miss it somewhere?

BCRE8TVE · 2023-02-01T17:32:35+00:00

They include questions about prior threats, access to firearms and a history of behavior such as choking, jealousy or spying.

I agree with the firearms correlation, having firearms makes any conflict more likely to escalate.

That being said it's hilarious that jealousy and spying are likely far far far more frequent in women than in men, but betcha they'll never take those as equally dangerous as when men do it.

The choking bit is hilarious too, like don't get me wrong domestic violence where a man chokes a woman is a serious issue, but unilateral domestic violence is like 20% of all DV, 50% is reciproval DV.

Asking about choking is likely going to bring to light an uncomfortable number of women who asked to be choked in the bedroom... Unfortunately that can just be used as more ammo against men.

Utah lawmakers said the learning about the correlation between choking and later death was particularly striking in light of a murder-suicide in Enoch, Utah, earlier this month, where a father killed his wife, five children and mother-in-law several years after one of his daughters told officers conducting a child abuse investigation that he had once choked her.

Yeah, once isn't a correlation, it's a coincidence, and making judgements on men as a whole based on the one coincidence is a terrible way to make policy. I'd say it's pretty damn sexist too, but we know you can't be sexist against men.

/s

Lt. Gov. Deidre Henderson, whose cousin was shot and killed by her ex-husband last year, said 22% of homicides in Utah were intimate partner-related and that the majority of suspects had prior interaction with law enforcement.

“With this bill, we are trying to very narrowly target the biggest problem we have right now in the state with intimate partner violence,” she said. “That’s to prevent intimate partner homicide."

I am all for reducing intimate partner violence and intimate partner homicide. However if you ignore the fact that most of the highly controlling abusive behaviour is mostly done by women to men, that women are more likely to incite domestic violence than men, that women commit more unilateral domestic violence than men, and that women have help and shelters to escape to before they result to murder suicide, then you're going to COMPLETELY miss half the issues, and are only likely to come down harder on the one side that would make things worse for everyone.

So yeah, once again, men can't be victims, so the solution must be to target and punish men more as a whole.

The Senate bill also includes provisions to create a law enforcement database for responses to the lethality screenings so officers can access information on prior lethality assessments conducted by any department statewide to better understand and protect victims. Weiler said the database wouldn’t be publicly accessible to ensure it didn’t violate the due process of people investigated yet not convicted of any crimes.

To better protect "Victims" read women. Again, men aren't allowed to be victims.

More of the same I see. Fucking great to have all this male privilege I tell you.

Title	Just another attempt to catalog boys and men in a database with no due process or means of getting out.
Author	Whole-Wishbone-7539
Upvotes	206
Comments	38
Date	January 31, 2023 6:40 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
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