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When the "equity" argument no longer places women in the victim seat in higher education, these academics believe its time to switch to another basis for womens education privilege

rabel111

February 24, 2023
59 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://theconversation.com/why-would-you-go-to-uni-a-new-study-looks-at-what-young-australians-do-after-school-200073
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Title When the "equity" argument no longer places women in the victim seat in higher education, these academics believe its time to switch to another basis for womens education privilege
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rabel111

Upvotes 59
Comments 23
Date February 24, 2023 3:02 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]rabel111[S] 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Missing from this examination of why people are or are not entering universities in Australia, is any acknowledgement of the rapid decline male enrolments. Despite women now accounting for more than 60% of all enrolments, these academics, all women, focus of Indigenous people (and rightly so) and women (sexism).

Based on the recent "Australian Universities Accord Panel Discussion Paper", these academics have written a book about a new way of approaching disadvantage in university education. The discussion paper concludes that "the impact of changes to student contributions is not being felt evenly across different student groups, with female and First Nations students being most affected by the largest fee increases introduced by the JRG changes. This is because the fields of study with the highest increases in student contributions, such as humanities and communications, are fields in which these students are over-represented."

The authors apparently forget other schools of university education where women dominate, such as nursing, education, business, and others where women are equally affected such as the medical sciences (including medicine) and law.

Whst really astonishes, is tht a well imformed government report, and a book by Australian education academics, remains willfully blind to the biggest, most rapid chnge in Australian university access over the last several decades, because those impacted are male.

[–]StripedFalafel 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Males systematically excluded from university by discrimination,

female [...] students being most affected

[–]poryyet -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think this should be on this sub reddit. It was an analysis on mainly how rural Australians are disadvantaged and working class not about gender

[–]rabel111[S] 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You clearly missed the bit where they erase men and boys from the discussion, despite the rapid continuing fll in their higher education participation?

If, for exmple, they had the same discussion, and wrote the article, while erasing the disadvantage experienced by Indigenous Australians? Wouldn't that be racist?

[–]poryyet 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

These are the groups targeted by the analysis. Note there is no mention of gender as any one of these groups. Because both men and women could fit into any of the groups listed. The goal was to make sure university students reflected Australian society and ensure Australians from all backgrounds could participate successfully in higher education.

As of 2021, there was a lower proportion of students from these groups enrolled in higher education compared with the proportion in the general population (with the exception of students with a disability). The discussion paper notes 17% of university students were from a low socioeconomic background, 2.4% were First Nations Australians, 21% were from regional or remote areas, and 9% were students with a disability.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Now that women are the majority, sex must not be looked at anymore. That's exactly what OP was critizing.

[–]poryyet 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They’ve been the majority for decades nothing new

[–]shit-zen-giggles 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, but recently men have started to call out the hypocracy.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And if women were less than 50% of enrolments and graduates, do you honestly think they wouldn’t have made “gender” an issue in the way you describe it? I think it’s very telling.

[–]Previous_Mission_585 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are bad therefore less men in college is good

[+]poryyet -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They didn’t erase men and boys. The analysis was limited in scope and gender was not a part of the scope. Most articles would be crying about women not excelling. This had very minimal mention of gender, because clearly it was not about gender. It was about the disadvantages of working class and rural Australians.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

correct. they didn't erase them. They just never thought of including them into the analysis in the first place.

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But I’m sure it would have if females were less than 50% of campus. They don’t moan about low male enrolment because they’re quite happy with it.

[–]pearl_harbour1941 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Australia generally has a terrible record on the abuse of men and boys. Having gone through a divorce there and literally been told by a Magistrate "Domestic violence DOESN'T HAPPEN TO MEN! IT'S THE LAW!" (verbatim, on court record, yelling at me after I tried to get an intervention order against my wife for physically assaulting me).

Later, going through the family court, I had to take her back to court after she failed to uphold court orders (by her own consent - she agreed to them!) for 13 months. When I got there, the Judge (Justice Mushin) told me that it was "Tantamount to child abuse to take the mother back to court!". His reasoning was that court stressed the mother (only) and in turn she would stress the kids.

Like, fuck man, why make court orders if the mother is not required to uphold them, and making her do so is child abuse???

The court systems there are designed to fuck men over.

This post is just another card in the deck of oppression that they play and has every right being here in a men's rights sub.

[–]pearl_harbour1941 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think anyone who goes through my comment history will conclude that I am NOT a woke SJW.

Having said that, isn't it strange how much the government of Australia focusses on assimilating Aboriginal people into "the system"? Isn't that a bit racist? I mean, surely the way to enhance and protect Aboriginal culture is to provide the tools they need to self-sustain in a traditional manner? It wouldn't be to take them off the reservation and turn them into bureaucrats in a Western system.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The attitude is very schizoid regarding aboriginals. I think a large part of that is because they are used to signal virtue by any and all virtue signallers around the shop. So their absence from education is a “crime” or their “forced assimilation” into this system is, depending upon whichever line is convenient.

[–]Full-Bluebird385 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

In my profession, the uni demographic is about 90% female. This year's incoming class is 94% female. Nobody cares as all almost all the academics are female. Of course, there would be panic and action plans if the genders were reversed.

[–]ne14611braska 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is this health care?

[–]Full-Bluebird385 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep

[–]ne14611braska -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Next question: In the UK, pay for health care workers is below the median for the country. Is median pay for health care workers above, or below, the average in your country? Relax, it's all going to be about the Patriarchy in the end.

[–]Dustball414CA 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just like they always do when any victim gains the upper hand.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

women have always had the upper hand. their victimhood is a fabrication.

[–]Eastwood96 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Equality"--who wants THAT??

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