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A significant association between suicide intent and gender was found, where ‘Serious Suicide Attempts’ were rated significantly more frequently in males than females.

RSDevotion1

March 3, 2023
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Title A significant association between suicide intent and gender was found, where ‘Serious Suicide Attempts’ were rated significantly more frequently in males than females.
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RSDevotion1

Upvotes 100
Comments 8
Date March 3, 2023 1:53 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/BlackPillScience
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/11gnuhs/a_significant_association_between_suicide_intent/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/BlackPillScience/a-significant-association-between-suicide-intent.1154679
https://theredarchive.com/post/1154679
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[–]RSDevotion1[S] 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Suicide intent data from 5212 participants was included in the analysis. A significant association between suicide intent and gender was found, where ‘Serious Suicide Attempts’ (SSA) were rated significantly more frequently in males than females (p < .001). There was a statistically significant gender difference in intent and age groups (p < .001) and between countries (p < .001). Furthermore, within the most utilised method, intentional drug overdose, ‘Serious Suicide Attempt’ (SSA) was rated significantly more often for males than females (p < .005).

[–]TheGoldenChampion 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

:(

[–]MelodiousTones -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So?

[–]Draken3000 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You probably didn’t mean it as blithely as it sounds lol because I’m a guy and I’m with you.

Its not really a secret or surprise anymore that, when it comes to suicide attempts, women do the “cry for help” version that is less likely to actually kill them more than men.

Men do the “Yep I’m done” version more often, which looks like gunshots to the head, hanging, jumping off bridges/buildings, etc

Women tend to do things like pills, which CAN kill you but carry a higher chance of survival/being saved in time.

None of any of what I just said reveals what OP’s point is though lol

[–]GnoOoOO 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no point it’s just data expressing a fact, why are you on this sub if all you can contribute is a “so?”.

[–]No-Contract709 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay, I have an issue with this study. It's data is not sound. Notably, clinicians were asked to evaluate the seriousness of suicide attempts and overwhelming assigned female intent to be "manipulative." Of course, there are many instances of manipulative attempts by suicidal people, but this methodology of data collection is incredibly biased. The best way to collect this data would be to analyze self-reports of reasons for attempt.

I also don't see them checking statistical assumptions, which is vital for all studies and even more important for observational (non-randomized) studies. They may have done it, but that information is not available and the data is private.

There is mixed evidence on intent already, as the paper itself points out, so I may check in on the methodologies those papers employ.

Also (for those who don't regularly read scientific papers), "statistically significant" is just a piece of evidence, not proof. Therefore, you should look at replications of studies and evaluate their merits. Psychiatric studies are some of the worst with regards to replication and over-important statistical analysis

[–]RSDevotion1[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Notably, clinicians were asked to evaluate the seriousness of suicide attempts and overwhelming assigned female intent to be "manipulative." Of course, there are many instances of manipulative attempts by suicidal people, but this methodology of data collection is incredibly biased. The best way to collect this data would be to analyze self-reports of reasons for attempt.

I agree; that's a glaring limitation.

[–]No-Contract709 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So one paper seems to find that differences relate most to the impulsivity of the attempt (which is a well-researched factor in the deadliness of suicide). Men tend to perform the action with less deliberation. We obviously don't have the science to show why, but there are some good guesses as to what makes impulsivity deadly: less time to think about impacts, less anxiety, methods that take less planning may be deadlier, etc. It also seems like men are less likely to treat depression than women, as antidepressant usage is negatively correlated with suicidal attempts and success. If gender was removed as a factor, in this study, it looks like almost 90% of the variance between attempt and success is due to impulsivity and antidepressant use.

One of the other cited papers about evidence for gender differences are not actually performing studies, but are discussions of treatments between genders (important, but not for this context).

Another is super interesting (shows hopelessness actually doesn't play a huge role in suicide), but is again not evidence for differences.

Another does examine gender differences! It comes to the conclusion that women actually have more life factors that influence suicide than men. It inverts many conclusions from the paper in this post. Notably, though, this is in South India and the paper in this post examines western countries. Maybe just a reminder that western findings aren't universal, and socialization differences may play a larger role than researchers want to admit.

So those are the papers they cit as previous research. I'm not sure they did a good job of review, to be honest, because I'm guessing there are better papers out there to cite.

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