Teacher grooms pupil and then has sex with him. Avoids prosecution and only has to wait two years before teaching again.

ILoveHate · 2013-11-21T20:59:37+00:00

16 is legal but has to be 18 if the person is in authority aka a teacher. In case people come in here bitching. I could maybe understand no jail sentence and whatnot, but how is she not fired and barred from ever teaching again?

She said: 'I was in an incredibly emotional state and sexual intercourse was the last thing on my mind.

So you can't function in society? Because I know I had quite some emotional states when I was in my teens and didn't jack off for 2-3 weeks. I wanted to kick peoples faces in just because I wondered if I could take 5 guys at once. Didn't stop teachers for punishing me for the slightest things and it certainly wouldn't have stopped the police if I acted on my impulses. Yet somehow a teenage kid is expected to be more responsible than a 33 year old woman if he's a male.

rapey_raperson · 2013-11-21T21:54:52+00:00

Once more, it wasn't rape, it was "a relationship".

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!!!!

nigglereddit · 2013-11-21T20:51:36+00:00

What I find especially disturbing about this is that there apparently wasn't just one student involved, there were several. In my view, that rules out the possibility that this was simply an inappropriate friendship that went wrong.

I don't think there's much doubt that she's an active sexual predator who has selected a profession which gives her access to potential victims. But the taboo surrounding calling women sexual predators, even those who are choosing professions which allow them to target multiple victims, is so strong that even a news item about her being found guilty can't say it straight.

2013-11-21T21:30:21+00:00

"The boy known as Pupil A later told police he had sex with design and technology teacher Mrs Horton but didn’t want to press charges because of his 'strict religious beliefs'"

Can anyone guess what that is about?

Unenjoyed · 2013-11-22T08:41:59+00:00

And now, the judge is complicit in this sordid affair...

2013-11-22T09:33:54+00:00

Obligatory reverse the genders comment

Busangod · 2013-11-21T21:55:19+00:00

Please stop using daily mail as a source.

MrKocha · 2013-11-23T00:31:59+00:00

I think this issue is complicated by evolutionary instinct. If your social goal is to achieve equal punishment, then you need to enact that. Even if no one is hurt and everyone involved is happy. Unfortunately. In order to have consistent rules, you just have to.

If your social goal is to achieve 'fairness' it's worth considering the evolutionary perspective of males and females, and within those subsets, individuals, and the respective damages incurred, their actual ages, maturity level, and their goals.

The primary arguments I see against child molestation are these:

A child won't have adequate comprehension or development to have sexual goals developed/planned out so thrusting this on them unprepared is unfair
An adult may have an unfair power advantage that can be abused
A good deal of children are believed to experience psychological trauma (whether all do, I can't prove this, but it seems enough do to justify the position)

An additional argument against child molestation is:

The average female has absolutely nothing to gain from an evolutionary standpoint prior to being old enough for fertility with full mental faculty. The average female reproductive strategy is to assess male fitness, dominance, financial resources, and choose the best man (or men, if one isn't enough) 'or' attempt to secure investment from the best man who will invest long term. Having casual sex indiscriminately if anything can be seen as detrimental to the female's ability to procure these resources.

Males? Males have more to gain from early sexual experiences, including increased status amongst females as being a proven desirable entity, which shows a good deal of male fitness (to all women), and potential increases in confidence that might attract a future mate.

The primary arguments I see against statutory rape are:

In 2 years they'll be old enough. After this number changes, they will magically experience a monumental change in maturity level giving them substantially better judgment. (yeah right)
A Pedantic arbitrary number, because we need one (bingo, without a number how can you use this system?)

So the main arguments against child molestation weaken significantly as you approach the age of statutory rape (mental incompetence), where as the evolutionary disadvantage doesn't really exist for men because to give him sexual access is to prove his perceived fitness. A lot of 16 year old guys are probably well aware of their sexual desires, and would like to benefit from by being chosen by females including enjoyable sex. I can imagine it being actually beneficial for some, harmful for others, like all sex.

I do believe there is fuzziness for a reason (evolutionary benefits). But if your stated goal is 'equal' punishment for equal crime. You just need to do it. If the stated goal was to recognize, respect, and create unique rules for each sex based on evolutionary preferences, other possibilities might be available. I'm not fully convinced either is the ideal society.

MockingDead · 2013-11-21T22:23:15+00:00

It is cases like this that leadd me to believe we need to change the laws about sex. I find her quite attractive however I also argue she should go to jail as any man might, for the same amount pf time. All should be equal before the law.

Now, here's the rub. These cases are judged such: The man is either a predator preying on the weak, or the woman is in love and can't help herself. Zero agency is given to the woman.

And that is sexism. Assuming women are weak or need to be protected.

Edit: Apparently you can't find reprehensible people physically attractive. It's like not even a real thing. Also, it seems certain people cannot read well, so I emphasized my points.

incolumitas · 2013-11-21T21:27:18+00:00

Holy cow she could have raped me! She's hot! Don't be silly guys, it's so obvious that a 16 year old boy cannot avoid being seduced by her - In a good way!

JohnSheir · 2013-11-22T01:56:58+00:00

Oh dear, the poor, defenseless, innocent, 16 year old victim was seduced by this vile temptress. Oddly enough he didn't want to press charges... If only there was some sort of simple explanation for that...

Title	Teacher grooms pupil and then has sex with him. Avoids prosecution and only has to wait two years before teaching again.
Author	DropkickMorgan
Upvotes	176
Comments	35
Date	November 21, 2013 7:49 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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