I realize women only get 85% of a man's salary, but...

themountaingoat · 2013-11-10T18:31:08+00:00

Good one.

jolly_mcfats · 2013-11-10T17:44:53+00:00

(edit: I should probably mention that I responded primarily because I like people who play D&D :) )

I think you'll find that most people in the MRM think that an 85% pay gap is a legitimate thing to be outraged if it really is an 85% pay gap for same job, same hours, same everything. The problem is that that there are numerous studies indicating that the wage gap is highly exaggerated. This is easy to believe, because it is clearly such an effective message for generating outrage (hence your post).

There is often a backlash to claims like "77%" or "85%", in which any pay gap is denied, others say that there may still be one- at around 94 cents on the dollar. When I see studies like this I find a residual wage gap quite believable, and best attributable to a cognitive bias present in men and women that confers higher expectations than are justified on men, and lower expectations than are justified on women. (A mixed blessing, given that this is also the phenomenon that leads to horrible sentencing disparities).

The MRM refers to these biases as hyper and hypo agency.

I can still understand being upset at 94 cents to the dollar, but discussions about what to do about that need to start with non-hyperbolic statistics, and a recognition that combating the problem requires more than outrage and shame- and certainly more than blaming it on an external patriarchy that you are emotionally against. And it requires being equally outraged at things like sentencing disparity, which are the other side of the same coin.

rightsbot · 2013-11-10T17:02:16+00:00

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AFuddyDuddy · 2013-11-10T17:34:42+00:00

relevant

jpflathead · 2013-11-10T18:37:35+00:00

/r/MensRights needs much more humor much less poutrage, so thank you.

Title	I realize women only get 85% of a man's salary, but...
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Date	November 10, 2013 5:00 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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