Salary inequity by gender still an issue at WMU; feminists want women to be paid more than their male counterparts

2013-10-14T20:32:50+00:00

"Freeman's department is one of two — along with the Bronson School of Nursing — whose professors may not see any salary adjustments under the current plan, because they have no male faculty to be compared to."

The department doesn't even have any male professors... but this is a problem because we're still not paying the female ones enough. What?

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-10-14T21:38:09+00:00

Women are less likely to be in senior positions, such as dean or chair of a department, and are less likely to be full professors

Maybe that's why the average pay of women is lower....

And some of the pay disparity, he added, hinges on the fact that women historically were offered less money than men and tend to be uncomfortable negotiating for more.

Sounds like those women valued getting a job more than risking overbidding.

A stipulation that professors must be shown to have merit to receive an adjustment has raised the most hackles, those interviewed said -- in essence making the women prove they are worthy of being treated fairly.

Or perhaps salaries are based on merit and not feelings.

Current merit should have nothing to do with making up for the past."

Because what, they were more meritable hires before?

Freeman's department is one of two — along with the Bronson School of Nursing — whose professors may not see any salary adjustments under the current plan, because they have no male faculty to be compared to.

There also are fewer women in disciplines such as math, computers and engineering, which pay the most, and more in the less-well-paying humanities departments.

One way problems as usual, right?

"We have further explained that we cannot agree to the summary disqualification of any individual faculty member, nor to the exclusion of entire departments or units within departments, for what appear to be arbitrary and specious reasons," the letter read. "We have also questioned the conflation of equity with merit, which obliges faculty members to prove that they are sufficiently meritorious not to continue to be discriminated against ... The WMU-AAUP believes that such exclusions and conditions risk exacerbating discrimination on our campus rather than redressing it in any meaningful way."

So they assume the discrimination is based on gender and not merit, and then complain that they have to prove it.

In the department of Industrial and Manufacturing Engineering, there is only one female associate professor, who is the lowest paid in her department, making $5,400 less than the next highest paid associate professor and more than $12,100 less than the average departmental salary for associates. In the department of electrical engineering, the lone female professor makes $9,000 to $12,000 less than several of the male associate professors.

How long has she worked there? What kind of experience does she have?

Damn merit getting in the way of feelings!

2013-10-14T21:07:47+00:00

Were are feminists saying they want women to be paid more than men? Seems more they want women who seem to be in lower level jobs to be paid as much as those men in higher paying jobs totally disregarding merits, job responsibilities etc etc.

AellaGirl · 2013-10-14T20:08:36+00:00

BACKGROUND

This Facebook event is devoted to petitioning that women on the WMU faculty who get paid 4% less than the men who work for the college (overall) get de-facto raises.

There is alot of insinuating that the 4% is for the same position, but it is not. Feminists are mad that women overall do not make equal to men, irregardless of position or worth to the institution.

MRMRising · 2013-10-15T00:47:34+00:00

There also are fewer women in disciplines such as math, computers and engineering, which pay the most, and more in the less-well-paying humanities departments.

Heaven forbid real Academics make more than a PZ Meyers type fraud.

2013-10-15T10:10:58+00:00

Pay shouldn't be equal from department to department. You have to put in way more years, hours worked, and talent to get a professors position in chemistry or physics than you do in woman's studies. And your contribution to society and the school, given what subjects students need, is WAY higher.

If men are way more likely to populate the hard science departments and things like programming, economics, etc, then OF COURSE they will be more highly paid.

At my old company, the starting engineer's salary is double / triple the sales associate salary. Why? Because the sales team is a bunch of unexperienced liberal arts majors who are only qualified for doing cold calls ALL DAY, and average at around a 3.1 GPA in easy majors. (My gf at the time was a recruiter there). The engineers tended to be Berkeley, UCLA, USC, Stanford graduates who might also be courting Facebook and Google's offers. Now sales was 75% women, and engineering was 14% female. Starting salaries for males at our company was about twice as high as women, and that is completely fair.

You can't help it if women are making choices towards career paths that just aren't in demand. This happens a lot in academia. There aren't millions of highly qualified, top notch candidates for STEM / research professor positions. You take the best you can get, and you pay them what you have to, or they will get poached.

Artificially inflating the salaries of women who chose to get into a field that very few people are electing to pursue, (and thus, there is lower demand for that woman) sends the wrong message. Rather than saying "women, you can compete, but you are going to have to travel the same road as men" it says "don't put in the gruelling effort and time, stick to your gender studies, and bully/whine your way into the comp sci professor's salary."

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-10-15T13:21:38+00:00

emale professors at Western Michigan University earn 4 percent less on average than their male colleagues.

This is an outrage!

Women should be paid the same for the same work. It's not like there are relevant differences here other than gender . . .

Women are less likely to be in senior positions, such as dean or chair of a department, and are less likely to be full professors. Society still expects women to take on more of a family's caregiving duties, which means more women tend to be in non-tenure track positions, said Curtis.

There also are fewer women in disciplines such as math, computers and engineering, which pay the most, and more in the less-well-paying humanities departments.

Oh, so women are working less, in less demanding fields, with less seniority.

That seems totally reasonable then.

A stipulation that professors must be shown to have merit to receive an adjustment has raised the most hackles, those interviewed said -- in essence making the women prove they are worthy of being treated fairly.

HOW DARE YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE MERIT TO GET A RAISE! Literally no man has ever had to prove his worth to get a substantial raise. He just whips his dick out in front of his (male) boss and they fist bump and then money rains down on them.

Freeman's department is one of two — along with the Bronson School of Nursing — whose professors may not see any salary adjustments under the current plan, because they have no male faculty to be compared to.

This is hilarious. Groups dominated by men get shut down all the time for discrimination. Groups with 100% women . . . complain that they don't get a raise since it can't be proven a man in that position would have been paid more.

2013-10-14T20:19:11+00:00

Feminists are getting to be quite the lunatics.

Source: Im a woman.

Mitschu · 2013-10-14T23:09:12+00:00

Two years ago, women were earning 77c to every male dollar.

Last year, they were earning 86c to every male dollar.

According to that paper, they're earning 96c to every male dollar.

If we plot the curve of these statistical facts, we're looking at men making 94c to every female dollar by next year, and by the end of this decade (2020, where hindsight lies) , men'll be making ~34c to every female dollar. By 2025, men will be paying companies 24 cents for the privilege of working for them, every time a woman earns a dollar.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-10-15T03:07:18+00:00

"For the study, the consulting firm went in and removed factors such as years of service, rank, degree and other factors that also contribute to a professors' salary." - Yvonne Zipp (Author of the article, in the comments)

actanonverba8 · 2013-10-15T04:25:41+00:00

In the not to distant future, women will only have to show up for work half-days a day, not have to publish at all, leave early whenever they want, and still have guaranteed equal pay.

2013-10-15T06:24:02+00:00

Even if you were to accept the idea that there is widespread one sided discrimination this doesn't "fix" that, it's not like they can majically determine who was discriminated against and give them a pay raise, this isn't going to even out this supposed discrimination, it will make it worse.

Title	Salary inequity by gender still an issue at WMU; feminists want women to be paid more than their male counterparts
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Date	October 14, 2013 8:05 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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