How exactly are we (men) to be blamed for so many feminists problems!?

ExpendableOne · 2013-07-31T21:04:50+00:00

Ironic thing is, the biggest obstacle for feminism is women. The fact is, all of the sexist shit that feminist accuse men of thinking, saying and doing; most women support, condone and reinforce through their actions. I can guarantee you that, if you didn't have so many women rewarding "alpha male" chauvinistic and/abusive types, they would be a dying breed within a month. If you didn't have so many women dismissing or supporting double-standards that benefit them, gender equality would be everywhere. Problem is, feminism has no interest in dealing with women's privileges and entitlements, because they are not about equality. They are about serving women's interests and defend women from this delusional one-sided view of society that depicts them as oppressed, when they clearly aren't, and completely dismisses the issue of the disposable man.

7070606 · 2013-07-31T17:27:03+00:00

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122

One very notable pathology is a form of argument that, reduced to essence, runs like this: “Your refusal to acknowledge that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…} confirms that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…}.” I’ve been presented with enough instances of this recently that I’ve decided that it needs a name. I call this general style of argument “kafkatrapping”...

My reference, of course, is to Franz Kafka’s “The Trial”, in which the protagonist Josef K. is accused of crimes the nature of which are never actually specified, and enmeshed in a process designed to degrade, humiliate, and destroy him whether or not he has in fact committed any crime at all. The only way out of the trap is for him to acquiesce in his own destruction; indeed, forcing him to that point of acquiescence and the collapse of his will to live as a free human being seems to be the only point of the process, if it has one at all.

... Real crimes – actual transgressions against flesh-and-blood individuals – are generally not specified. The aim of the kafkatrap is to produce a kind of free-floating guilt in the subject, a conviction of sinfulness that can be manipulated by the operator to make the subject say and do things that are convenient to the operator’s personal, political, or religious goals. Ideally, the subject will then internalize these demands, and then become complicit in the kafkatrapping of others.

HappyGerbil88 · 2013-08-01T03:29:28+00:00

Because Feminism is all about making men seem "bad" and women seem like innocent victims. Abortion is probably the best known example. How many times have we heard Feminists say something along the lines of "If men got pregnant, abortion wouldn't be an issue"? Yet, studies have consistently shown women are as likely to be pro-life as men. Feminists just like to conveniently ignore this so they can play the victim card and blame all of their problems on men oppressing women.

theozoph · 2013-07-31T16:46:44+00:00

Think about what feminists stand to gain by blaming all of their problems on men.

Money.

2095conash · 2013-07-31T21:29:26+00:00

I've talked with some more reasonable people who are pro-women (they haven't called themselves feminists but have spoke of the ideas of helping women well), and they've never accused me of oppressing them. The issue with the sort of men vs women mentality is that it blames women's oppression on the opposite side. The idea that if sexist Joe across the country hires an unqualified man for a job instead of one of the tons of overqualified women for the job on the basis that he's a man, even if Joe's actions are rectified and Joe is fired it still hurts.

The problem is, you don't know Joe, you've never met Joe, you never talked with Joe, and I'm sure that if Joe had consulted with you about his hiring options you would be appalled and urge him with all your might to hire a PERSON who is qualified rather than just hire a 'man'. There is this sorta unspoken assumption that all men get together at our little men club every other week and discuss how we'll run the world, but if you consider that at times feminism is highly against independent thought (like, at least in some places at some times, talking about if there was such a thing as consent even if not enthusiastic could unleash a fury of hate, even if your genitals matched the ones they were fighting for the 'rights' of) it can stand to reason that such a group may apply such a 'dynamic' on the 'enemy'. Thus even if you've never met sexist Joe, by definition of this invisible unknown boys club you must agree with his thoughts 100%.

Once you recognize that they do this, it's easy to see how 'men' oppress women. We live in a society with money, thus there are people who are fueled to get money, so big companies that only creates media that tries to make it 'relatable' to expressing social 'norms' basically sexualizing women and having women beat up men for a joke? Those things are bad and oppressive, but it makes money and helps perpetuate those very social norms (teaching children, reinforcing existing beliefs in parents to teach their children, etc. etc.). As well when the RICH white men who run the country make laws against women? Well that's your fault, my fault, and that homeless guy over there who they took his food stamps from because we are of one mind right? No, the people who are doing the oppression are not...... 'men' per say, usually they are male (thanks to silly gender roles), but even then they are usually a MINORITY of men who even oppress other men.

Also doesn't help when we live in a society where these same sort of accepted beliefs come into everyday life (saw a video of a guy laughing as he recorded a woman BEATING on a man, plus I hear some rather bad sexual advances on women from men aren't that uncommon throughout life, while not statistics such events can really change an individuals outlook on life and cause them to find an understanding group, doesn't help if the group is idiotically claiming that the bottom 1% of men live the same rich entitled life of the top 1%).

Sorry for my ramblings, hope I was of some help.

tyciol · 2013-08-01T03:09:19+00:00

men get paid so much for being an athlete

Women get paid more to do porn, balances out.

rightsbot · 2013-07-31T16:40:17+00:00

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SasquatchtheSasquatc · 2013-08-01T00:45:23+00:00

Feminism which blames women's problems on men is just wrong, damaging to society, and destructive. It doesn't fix anything, and creates a divide between genders, which ultimately just hurts society as a whole. (Obviously. When does separation and opposition between groups ever help society?) Feminism can be extremely positive, though, when it empowers and encourages women to do things that they were not able to do in the past, such as get high-position jobs or be highly skilled in some area that was previously male-dominated. If there was ever a place to blame for the problems addressed in feminism, it would be society as a whole, not men..

Title	How exactly are we (men) to be blamed for so many feminists problems!?
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Date	July 31, 2013 4:38 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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