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Any examples of areas of law in a democracy where men have more rights than women?

HotHotFingers · 2018-02-16T11:57:34+00:00

Kind of a 'Change my View' post... There must be SOME part of law where men have rights that women don't. Assume for now that...

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February 16, 2018

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Title	Any examples of areas of law in a democracy where men have more rights than women?
Author	HotHotFingers
Upvotes	21
Comments	47
Date	February 16, 2018 11:57 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7xy955/any_examples_of_areas_of_law_in_a_democracy_where/
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No, based on what you're saying neither illegality or consequence is a basis for determining whether something is a right. I quote you from a prior comment.

"Men have the right to register for the draft or not and face massive penalties"

"Why Register?"

"It is the Law"

https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register

Men don't have the RIGHT to not register. They could ignore the law, but that's not a right any more than a woman checking off the male box or sending in a card with female checked has the right to register. Ib fact, if a woman sent in the card, you can say that she actually did register. She will just be not registered. Ye, I can pick nits with the English language as well.

The nit is picked. Just because you're not smart enough to see the logical fallacy of your argument, doesn't mean it's not.

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Combat Exclusion Policy

The ground combat exclusion policy of the United States Army dates back to 1948 when the Women's Armed Services Integration Act of 1948 excluded women from combat positions.

On April 28, 1993, combat exclusion was lifted from aviation positions by Secretary of Defense Les Aspin, permitting women to serve in almost any aviation capacity. Some restrictions were maintained on aviation units in direct support of ground units and special operations aviation units.

In 1994, the Pentagon declared:

Service members are eligible to be assigned to all positions for which they are qualified, except that women shall be excluded from assignment to units below the brigade level whose primary mission is to engage in direct combat on the ground.

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The entire concept of "women cannot serve on frontline roles" came out of necessity. It takes time and money to train people in the military especially for specific roles i/e combat. Women are entirely unable to pass training/testing for combat roles unless the requirements are drastically lowered but that is something you just cannot do since combat roles are so vitally important to have standards for. The military had to already lower standards/requirements for women to even get into the military or pass basic training due to their inability to meet the men's standards. Those standards were looked at as "sexist" and so were lowered for women even though treating women differently than men is a massive example of sexism. It also caused the burden of work to heavily shift onto men because of their higher requirements and harder work but same pay.

Women in general are not ready, willing nor able to serve, but in order to give into sexist ideology the military catered to men hating feminist logic and vastly damaged the US military's ability to function properly.

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However, I do think that men and women should have the same rights and responsibilities, don't you?

Absolutely not. No two groups of nonrandomly selected people are the same. The more different they are, the less sense it makes for them to have the same rights and responsibilities. Sex differences are enormous. The only other differences in the general population that are similarly large are age and class differences. Equality is not possible here. The only thing possible is fairness. Equality is not even desirable. Large differences in ability and preference make equality extremely inefficient. One of the the main reasons sexes exist is higher efficiency through specialization and teamwork. (EDIT: grammar)

Even though an unborn child contains 50% of a man's DNA, almost everyone (whether pro life or abortion rights) agrees that men should not have the right to abort it, or make other medical decisions for the fetus. Why? Because women bear the responsibility of carrying it. Their own health is inextricably tied to that of the fetus. Men lack rights here because they have almost no responsibility.

The same goes for the military. Women as a group were (and still are, I would argue) pathetic at killing and DYING on the battlefield. As a group they are far more unwilling to risk their lives on the battlefield. They are willing to die for their children. But 18 year-old draft-age childless women are not willing to die for adult men. This is why until recently in no culture anywhere were women required by law to do military service. Historically, what corresponding right did men receive for this responsibility? The right to vote, of course.

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