Most of men's social issues come from the patriarchy

tenchineuro · 2021-02-17T17:16:31+00:00

Women were never oppressed there never was a patriarchy

Reddit1984Censorship · 2021-02-17T17:21:15+00:00

Patriarchy is feminsit propaganda

gregathon_1 · 2021-02-17T18:27:50+00:00

When black people get fucked over by the criminal justice system, police, and housing, we view this as an example of the powerlessness that African-Americans face.

When poor people get fucked over by the criminal justice system, police, and housing, we view this as an example of the powerlessness that poor people face.

When men get fucked over by the criminal justice system, police, and housing, we view this as an example of power they have in society?

It's really amazing the double standards that feminists have.

2021-02-17T17:15:38+00:00

Concern troll incoming

ShortTailBoa · 2021-02-17T18:08:32+00:00

The Patriarchy is no different from The Zionist. Both are conspiracy theories that people float in public to deny their own failures. The world is not bad because a secret cabal of jews did it and the world is not bad because a secret cabal of men did it.

imjusthereforresearc · 2021-02-17T18:17:21+00:00

You aren't going to get much traction with those ideas here. It's been tried many, many times before.

That being said, most of the Men's issues I really care about aren't social ones. They are legal and human rights based ones.

d_nijmegen · 2021-02-17T17:11:54+00:00

One of us is going to post what's going to need to be true for the patriarchy to exist. You're probably not going to read it. So you're not worth the effort to debate.

Read it. And then we'll see if you can stand to defend your position.

2021-02-17T18:03:42+00:00

You've got cause and effect backwards.

Next.

g1455ofwater · 2021-02-17T19:46:09+00:00

I will not tolerate any kind of insults and name calling.

Does that include when feminists insult low status men?

2021-02-18T01:24:42+00:00

The problem is, patriarchy is such a loose term you can just basically call anything a patriarch. Men having power? Patriarchy. Women having power but not exactly behaving how some feminists want (some CEO's for example)? Women contributing to patriarchy. Men benefiting? Patriarchy. Women benefiting becaucse they are seen as people who we should value and protect more? Patriarchy because they are seen as weak/incompetent. Men getting discriminated against? Patriarchy harming men. Women getting discriminated against? Patriarchy.

But the thing is you cannot explain much with this simplistic view of society. Even if you believe it is only SOME men that hold power, that still explains nothing and being men is definitely not a good proxy to guess if one has power or not.

Secondly, even if you don't agree with me and even if you don't blame most men or men in general for patriarchy, you still open the door for other people to behave misandristicly
while being disguised as your ally. It isn't really the surprise that even if not all, some feminists actually blame men in general for every ghost that is claimed to be patriarchy. Even if you are not misandristic, you open the door for other people to be misandristic. And you can see this is the case when the other day feminism subreddit was filled with people who supported the use of "#killallmen" hashtag claiming that it was a satire response to a hashtag that said "#rapeallwomen". Even if this is the case, first, no one really supports the #rapeallwomen hashtag and second, you cannot fight sexism with sexism of other kind. And third, as was seen by some men, #killallmen hashtag was indeed taken seriously and not satire by many women. Even if those women do not roam the streets killing random men, they harm many especially young and vulnerable men and boys, making an already bad situation worse.

In conclusion, patriarchy rhetoric is harming the men and even though isn't inherently sexist, it opens a door to it. And even if you agree that patriarchy still exists, it isn't as much as how much it existed.

Greg_W_Allan · 2021-02-17T20:41:14+00:00

Oh, you edited the post, noice.

maxlvb · 2021-02-18T03:48:20+00:00

Patriarchy No theory is more fundamental to academic feminism than the theory of the patriarchy. Quite simply - and perhaps too simply - patriarchy is the feminist theory that there is a regime of institutionalised male control over women.

Patriarchy In all, the thick academic prose of feminist scholars confers gravitas to what otherwise could resemble political propaganda. “The patriarchy is the root cause of everything! Fight it now!”… if only the word patriarchy was replaced with capitalism, it’d be similar to communist propaganda.

Patriarchy and genders are to feminism what capital and social classes are to marxism.

homo__schedule · 2021-02-18T06:27:28+00:00

But you see here's the thing, if patriarchy truly was damaging, then evolution would've found a way around it and if it was truly oppressing women and men, it wouldn't have been around for so long.

also, patriarchy did not benefit MEN, it benefited Rich white men who owned land. The Black, Asian and Mexican poor men were harmed just as much if not more from patriarchy.

Gender roles have been around for so long because they worked. Men are on average 40% physically stronger than women and obviously, women are the only sex capable of childbirth so it only made sense that the man would go out and hunt food/ make money while the woman would stay at home and take care of children.

2021-02-18T17:59:58+00:00

No one has posted this here yet, it was writen as a response to 'real feminism is about equality' but serves well also for 'men cause their own trouble'

So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists".

That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception.

Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one.

But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls."

You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.

You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.

You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.

You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.

You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.

You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.

You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.

You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history."

You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them.

And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.

You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.

large quote from a comment by girlwriteswhat at here If you like her quote do check the thread, she goes on quite a bit more in further responses

IronJohnMRA · 2021-02-19T13:49:08+00:00

There is no patriarchy.

Greg_W_Allan · 2021-02-17T22:56:25+00:00

HOWEVER, I will not tolerate any kind of insults and name calling.

What exactly do you plan to do about it?

2021-02-18T01:01:13+00:00

Patriarchy is synonym for civilization.

2021-02-18T15:19:58+00:00

Not gonna call any names or do any insults, but if like 95% of this sub says there is no patriarchy, don't expect to not have insults or name calls.

Yesmanboikid · 2021-03-08T19:57:42+00:00

I really hope that if feminist overthrow the government and it’s like a 90/10 ratio, they’ll fall because they won’t have anyone to do the dirty jobs, or things they didn’t do because “the men were supposed to do them”

Title	Most of men's social issues come from the patriarchy
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Date	February 17, 2021 5:09 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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