An Unpopular Opinion... For You Guys, Anyways. You've Lost The Plot.

iainmf · 2022-12-31T09:32:01+00:00

TLDR:

You guys are advocating for men wrong.

ExcellentIncident205 · 2022-12-31T06:30:48+00:00

Ain't listening to a wealthy privileged individual telling me how privileged I am. Tldr or gtfo

IWantToJustTalk · 2022-12-31T10:13:30+00:00

I read through all of it and you seem to be very bitter for no reason. Some of the points you bring up make sense and are kinda valid. Critiquing members of the sub for not doing enough for mens rights would be a fair criticism. But if you were to apply it to any other movement you would realise that mist people online dint do shit in real. 90% of the feminists I know wouldn't do any kind of real world activism. Going to marches is probably the most popular but when you consider the social critics of mens rights and dismissal of our problems it's no suprise guys feel less comfortable going out to support mens issues. Moreover this is reddit what do expect. This isn't the black panthers

A lot of what you wrote seemed to imply inceldom or mgtow. Sure you can critique those people if you want but the majority of people on this sub follow neither one of those ideologies. Like I really don't know if you actually go through the sub reddit or not because you say we blame stuff on women but no one here does that. People critue society and feminism but no one blames women. This is especially true when you consider tge amount of push back on this sub around the generalisation of men and the use of the term "kill all men" your rant didn't call out feminist subs for using and defending that kind of generalisation.

Also if you know anything about the history of mens rights you would understand why feminism is so distrusted here. When we talk about abuse and rape you have to realise that feminism has actively denied and repressed male victims. Re victimising them and painting them as abusers. And a lot of your langue contuies with the type of femist reyoric that dismisses male issues. No one here denies women have issues but if would like would gladly take up your challenge. For every 1 womans issue you could name I could name 1 mens issues. Simply because your uninformed doesn't mean they don't exist.

mikesteane · 2022-12-31T07:17:22+00:00

tldr: "I'm better than you"

GiveUpYouAlreadyLost · 2022-12-31T10:11:58+00:00

To those who haven't read OPs unhinged rant: Don't even bother. There is absolutely nothing of value to glean from this unadulterated garbage and the few of us who have read it in its entirety are worse off for it.

To OP: I'd just like to tell you that my opinion of you couldn't be any lower than it already is. You are absolutely insufferable. Congratulations on making what is probably the worst post this subreddit has ever seen.

shit-zen-giggles · 2022-12-31T07:15:20+00:00

and kept literally one friend - a man I looked up to in many ways. I'm actually writing this from his dining room table while I'm house sitting for him

And that's the difference right there. You had a mentor that guided and supported you. If not in a tangible way then at least in an emotional way. Let's be honest that's what that is.

Why does this make all the difference? Because learned helplessness can only be overcome by outside intervention. And learned helplessness is what we're dealing with here (at the most fundamental level).

So, yeah. You made it yourself. All by yourself.

Just like the car with the empty battery recharges itself via it's running engine. All by itself! Nevermind the after it was jump started) by another car part.

PS: In case you care: I've talked roughly a dozen people down from suicide this year, redirected approx two dozen to DV/SA help organisations and done a modicum of networking / situational insight transfer with MRM related mental health care professionals / activists all exclusively in/on this sub.

I'm doing my best to be the jumper cable that I wish I had had, when I needed it. I don't want to claim any fame, I'm doing it, because no one else does.

mopemardermun · 2022-12-31T06:28:43+00:00

Tldr cunt lmao. If you can't summarize your points concisely then your argument is shit. Simple. If you need to write a 100 page novel for your argument to have coherency then it's likely filled with strawman, logical leaps and weak conclusions.

While I didn't bother reading it, I will reply to the title. "Lost the plot"? We want equality under the law, and equality under society. Almost every single area of society men are in a worse off place than women. Men legally have less rights than women. Society is MUCH harsher on men and sees us as worth less. We are the definition of an underclass. Indeed you know all those indices used to show blacks are oppressed? In almost all of them the gender gap is bigger than the race gap

Meanwhile women are so privileged that feminist talking points these days are "air con is sexist", "muh pink tax".

Don't tell me we've lost the plot you limp wristed beta fuck. Go suck off a feminists hairy twat

bfte2 · 2022-12-31T10:20:52+00:00

Another pumpkinpeople's alt account, and this time xer completely losses its mind.

AutobanThrowaway · 2022-12-31T05:32:17+00:00

tldr

crippledhermit · 2022-12-31T19:38:16+00:00

Hello to this sub's War and Peace.

Good on you for writing that, but I'm about to hit the gym and don't have time.

Best-Ad9993 · 2022-12-31T11:22:24+00:00

You are correct to some extent. This sub seem to criticize feminism more than it advocates for men. But among any other places in yhe internet, if you dont write a politically correct answer, you get banned downvoted and insulted even before people read the whole sentence.

But consider in any other sub you would have been long banned with your post deleted. And those are the subs are your dear "feminism" related. Don't believe me, go and criticize anything there.

Another point you make is going to the streets and then protesting. Again, go and do that... if you are not met with sticks and stones, lemme know.

I'm not saying this sub is picture perfect, infact some of the comments here do prove your point. But there are some that do advocate for Men's Right the better way and I implore you to listen to that. Ignore the women and feminism hating posts, that has whats worked for me.

kingbob123456 · 2022-12-31T13:02:47+00:00

I… eh… what?! Why is this so long?? You might have a good message in there, but I doubt anyone will read long enough to find it. Could you perhaps shorten it to 10ish sentences?

Im genuinely curious about what you’re trying to say here, but I’m not going to read all that to find out.

Cookiedoughjunkie · 2022-12-31T18:00:44+00:00

the way men are seen isn't because of what men do, but because narratives so damned if you do, damned if you don't.

theblackzombie92 · 2022-12-31T06:09:39+00:00

tldr.....

Ain't got time for beta simps / weak men

shit-zen-giggles · 2022-12-31T05:13:18+00:00

I've read and approved your post. It was blocked by the automoderator due to new account with low karma.

2022-12-31T05:42:32+00:00

🏆

BeepBeepYeah7789 · 2022-12-31T15:28:41+00:00

Is this supposed to be one of those Reddit throwaway "purge week" posts?

Because it sure reads like one.

PactScharp · 2022-12-31T17:22:15+00:00

So I read your entire post. What else is there to say other than you are clearly a pathological liar whose delusions read like the generic fantasies of a feminist obsessed with oppression porn.

I have no doubt a lot of what you said is at least based on something resembling the truth... but you clearly have distorted many things that we can openly fact-check about this sub, so give us one reason as to why we should believe ANYTHING else you said about men, women, feminism & the state of society? Legally speaking, if a person is caught lying once, their testimony is/can be entirely rejected.

You claim that this sub uses "bad apples of women" to represent the whole. That is a blatant lie & there's zero evidence to support it. In fact I have seen a LOT of people saying they are tired of the sentiment that "one bad woman = women bad". You say that men (here) are quick to whine about "toxic femininity". How hilarious. I challenge you to make a post right now asking you what this sub's thoughts are on "toxic femininity" and I GUARANTEE you, the overwhelming majority will say they don't believe in it. And I know this because there was a post about exactly that a few months ago.

Of the top posts on this sub (today at least), the pinned one is about the male perception of their own threat level (and male victimization rates in regards to public violence, which are statistically much higher than its female counterpart, whether you want to admit that or not).

The other top posts are about:

- Men's DV rates & the fact that they are basically equal to female DV rates.

- The media's dishonest framing of suicide and selective moral outrage.

- Pointing out the hypocrisy of the female prison abolition movement, when no one (and rightly so) would ever make that argument for men.

- A (humorous) explenation of why this popular feminist sentiment that the world without men would be a good thing (or at least for a while) is absolute nonsense. And it clearly is.

- Calling for equivalent "black lists" for toxic women, as the media has celebrated women/feminists doing so with men. (I don't agree with this one at all, but it also doesn't have that many likes).

- A woman being sentenced for 20 years because of abuse so horrible people could barely stand to watch.

- The hypocrisy in body-shaming men & it being celebrated because "small penis, haha". Important to note that this was about the whole Andrew Tate debacle, a man who's almost universally labelled a MISOGYNIST on this very sub & is not well liked by the MR community.

- Child support & parental issues.

- The psychological effects of false accusations.

- The gatekeeping of what is "acceptible" masculinity (something YOU are also guilty of).

I could go on, but you get the picture... a grand total of ZERO of these posts are "misgoynistic" or say "women bad". Only ONE post is about "a" (bad) woman, specifically a toxic physical & sexual abuser, and guess what? Of the 17 comments under that post, ZERO said anything resembling "women bad" or "toxic femininity". It wasn't even mentioned, let alone remotely implied. People did call out the fact that this woman got a meager 20 years compared to her male accomplice doing 80+ years. An obvious example of anti-male bias in the legal system. In fact, a feminist troll complained about it being "a 'bad woman' post" but was quicly corrected saying the point of the post was not that it proved "women are bad" but that the woman got only 1/4 of the sentence the man got. In other words, even this ONE post of the top 10 trending posts on the MR sub right now that was about a "woman" or "women", actually had nothing to do with "women (being bad)" and was calling out the obvious double standards. There was no misogyny to spot AT ALL.

So all your idiotic garbage about how this sub "hates women", and "blames women for all men's problems", is clearly nothing more than feminist projecting, because guess what? That's ALL that feminists do. You can check basically about any feminist/female sub there is on Reddit, many/most if their top posts are about how awful, toxic, bad, oppressive & scum men (as a group) are.

In fact, you didn't get banned for spewing all this anti-male garbage... I implore you, copy paste your EXACT tantrum here, switch out the genders and MR with feminism, and post it on any feminist sub... and see for yourself how quickly you'll get banned, doxxed, threatened & told to kill yourself for DARING to challenge the feminist narrative.

I have been banned from some of these subs for MUCH less... in fact, my only crime was saying that the men's rights sub does not advocate for violence & murder of women, something they claimed gets "top posts" on here (an obvious & insane feminist fabrication). I was very careful about my words & hoped they would be open minded, but alas, it had no point. The mods celebrated my ban & people were saying I was scum & deserved to be harmed & to die (these comments all got dozens of likes). But you're right, this sub is sooooo toxic, right?

You then claim that this sub does nothing but complain, without actually doing anything. First of all, that's a lie. There are a lot of people here who are genuine MRAs trying to change these misandrist systems in various ways. But yes, it's also true that there is a lot of venting & complaining here that won't meaningfully change anything. Guess what? That's what describes 99.9999999999999% of all feminist subs but I don't see you complaining about that at all. In fact, you praise feminists & say they're "not the evil conspirators" that men think, but you're more than happy to label all men's advocates as toxic, self-destructive, dangerous, would be criminals.

Saying this sub "is destroying male mental health". Got any evidence? And if it's true, how is that not ten times more accurate for feminist subs?

"When I had an emotional meltdown and my depression kicked in out of seemingly nowhere a few months ago, you know who was there for me? A bunch of my female friends (some of the guys were, too - don't get me wrong)."

I'm sure that's true. Doesn't sound made up at all. Even if it is, it doesn't change the biological fact that women are turned off by vulnerability in men, as women tend to bond when oxytocin is released (a chemical that's produced when women feel safe & secure). Men tend to bond when vasopressin is released (a chemical that's produced when people are stressed). So a woman can cry & epxress stress or vulnerability to a man, and if anything he will be more willing/likely to "bond" with the woman. For a woman, it's literally the opposite neurochemical process. That's not "women's fault", it's just a biological reality.

It's why I have literally countless stories of men that I know who expressed being depressed or having suicidal thoughts to their partners, only for these partners to break up with them or berate them (at best) some time later because quote: "that wasn't very sexy". There is simply no male equivalent of that towards women. It doesn't fucking exist. When I see a woman crying, especially if I care about her, regardless of my supposed """manosphere""" beliefs (idiotic term) my instict is to want to comfort & support her. I have never received that from women. Never. Part of that is because I'm hesitent to show vulnerability because frankly, I don't want to risk these relationships, but it's also because I - like most men - have often been burned by women for opening up in the tiniest ways. It's one thing to "cry" about something that's well understood warrants such a response (funerals being an obvious example). But try to express your feelings in regards to feeling alone, neglected or misunderstood, "as a man", especially when it comes to issues like dating (which is statistically a massive issue for men right now) and it's only a matter of seconds before you're viewed as an incel, a loser, a pathetic piece of garbage undeserving of female affection, who should be treated as a potential threat. And that type of reaction, while not exclusive to women, comes OVERWHELMINGLY from women. And you KNOW IT.

You then blame these men for having "sexist, toxic, self-sabotaging mindset that's turning off women"... right, says the guy who openly admits he's single & childless at 40 years old. You are in no position to "brag" about your relationship success when you clearly have none, let alone lecture men about why they're still single.

aircoft · 2022-12-31T13:17:13+00:00

Bro no way I'm reading all that

RubMobile2126 · 2022-12-31T14:22:38+00:00

Cool story

Sihu94 · 2022-12-31T11:57:52+00:00

This feels like a femcel made a new account to try and influence the sub.

aircoft · 2022-12-31T13:52:04+00:00

Take 20 minutes and read the post.

You think we're going to spend 20 minutes reading some random dude ramble on telling us how they think we're wrong or something?... Lol.

EDIT:

read my entire post again

40 minutes, my bad.

Title	An Unpopular Opinion... For You Guys, Anyways. You've Lost The Plot.
Author	Loud_Flatulance
Upvotes	0
Comments	41
Date	December 31, 2022 4:35 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/zzlgi0/an_unpopular_opinion_for_you_guys_anyways_youve/
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