Are you guys nice?

redd_reality · 2018-01-07T19:49:15+00:00

When people say "women like assholes," what they mean is, women like men who are willing to say whatever they want because their desire to express their opinion is greater than their fear of rejection from expressing that opinion.

A man with real self esteem/confidence says and does just what he wants. This level of self honesty (not the "I don't tell lies," type of honesty) is what is attractive to women and coincidentally results in you getting what you want, authentically.

blackedoutfast · 2018-01-07T21:31:31+00:00

there's absolutely nothing wrong with playful teasing. that's like 90% of flirting. if a woman is calling you an asshole but giggling and playfully hitting your arm, that's a very good sign. pay attention to their actions, not their words.

women like when guys poke fun at them, tease them, stand up to them. they like it because it's similar to how they act with their male friends. it may seem mean on a superficial level, but it's actually more respectful because you're treating them like a real person.

when beta NiceGuy supreme gentlemen treat women like perfect princesses and constantly roll over and submit to them all the time, girls don't like it. it makes them feel weird and uncomfortable. they all know that they aren't perfect at all and don't really deserve to be treated like that. and they know that those guys are really just doing that because they want to fuck them. and since those guys clearly aren't good with women (and therefore low quality and unattractive), it just makes it even worse.

What makes them see red pilled guys as "jerks"?

they don't see red pilled guys as jerks, they see jerks as red pill guys.

women don't like the idea of Red Pill because they want men to act naturally and authentically. they want guys who do all the things RP says to do, but they want them to do it naturally. they don't like that naturally low quality guys can use RP to pretend to be a high quality and trick them into having sex.

their disgust at the concept of RP means they assume that the guys who use RP must also be disgusting. they imagine that it's only creepy low quality loser who use it, and when they say they hate guys who use RP, that's what they imagine.

the women who say they meet lots of RP guys in real life and they're all creepy weirdos, that RP tricks are easy to see through, etc. really aren't. they're meeting creepy weirdos and just assuming they are RP because those guys fit their preconceived ideas of what RP guys are like.

and when those same women meet a high SMV guy who has his shit together, looks good, smooth, confident, popular, etc. they would assume that he definitely is not a redpiller. he doesn't fit their mental image of a RP guy, so they assume he can't be one. Chad could be wearing one of GLO's t-shirts, but they would come up with some other rationalization to explain it.

SpinPlates · 2018-01-07T23:43:12+00:00

I consider myself a nice guy because I enjoy helping people. I'll get out of bed at 3am in a rain storm to change an old plates flat tire if she calls me and has no one else to help her.

But on the flip side if shes crying in my house and being a brat about our "relationship" ill tell her to fuck off.

MattyAnon · 2018-01-07T20:45:21+00:00

I'm nice but tease and playful.

But.... :

I don't commit to anything with a girl I don't know. Commitment is one sided. "Meet you in five minutes" is a contract to me and an option to her, I treat such things accordingly. With a girl I know well, commitment to anything is managed against its risks. Briffault's law is universal.
I don't agree to things. "Buy me a drink?" / "No".
There's a large stack of things that guys do for women as a matter of course. Holding doors open, letting them win minor fights, agreeing with things they say because they're female, withholding their own difficult opinions, promoting female-primary society. There is a lot of female privilege that men extend to women instinctively. I don't do these things, and women notice. This triggers attraction, shit tests (which are laughably easy after a while), and more attraction.
I'm sexual. I comment on her. Hello shit test my old friend. Ignore or smirk. Attraction.
I can dance the line of creating shock without justifiable offence, and I can do it for hours. Most people don't understand the political correctness bullshit, even those promoting it. I know what's going on, and can manouvre through it and around it. I find this hilarious. It scares people. I like that too.

I'm pretty nice. But also a dick. I'll tease her, set her up for a minor social embarassment, torment her, say things that will excite and terrify her and blame her for being excited. Create problems... enjoy the tension... fix problems. Tell a guy she hates that she likes him. Watch what happens next and laugh about it. Then rescue her.

None of this is bad.... but there is a constant unpredictable frisson.

FiveStarTendieDinner · 2018-01-07T22:21:24+00:00

Fuck no. Never be nice. Never be sensitive, or play into people's sensitivity.

walawalawa · 2018-01-08T00:01:04+00:00

The ability to walk away...communicating that in what you say and how you act.

They say "I'm leaving/can't come/I wanna break up"

You: 'k'

never contact them again.

When they realize you're serious then they conduct themselves accordingly.

[deleted] · 2018-01-08T04:54:43+00:00

You don't have to be an asshole just indifferent.

I'm generally a very kind person but I'll never supplicate or commit to a girl. The act alone of being nonexclusive will earn you the title of "asshole" or "fuckboi" regardless of how polite you are to her.

Tl;dr maintaining frame = "asshole"

Governor_Humphries · 2018-01-08T01:37:30+00:00

I think I read too much and had a brainfart

Reading can only take you so far. Go out into the wild and see for yourself. Pay attention to how women behave, not what they say. We can tell you exactly how teasing and playful we think you should be, but you won't really understand it unless you experience it.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2018-01-08T05:52:10+00:00

You should be aiming for "mildly subversive".

TheDisillusionist · 2018-01-08T09:40:48+00:00

Nice until there is a reason not to be nice, which is rare. Being nice is easy when you have control of your shit and it isnt a game to get something. It is easy to be nice to things that you dont allow power over you.

[deleted] · 2018-01-08T19:34:08+00:00

I say whatever the fuck I want around girls, and I guess some people might consider that asshole behaviour.

I don't compliment them, buy drinks, or tell them I love them. This is because I respect myself and don't need pussy behaviour to buy their affection like most men.

Fontess · 2018-01-07T20:17:58+00:00

Because you see red pill as a wall of text and set of traits ina guy instead of set of behaviours it makes no sense. when you see it on paper it seems ridicilous. But when its made in action it makes perfect sense.

Throwawaysteve123456 · 2018-01-07T21:32:20+00:00

This is one of the biggest sources of confusion. Women will not describe the guy they're about to bang as a jerk, they'll describe him that way afterwards. He may have been playful with his jokes, but he generally won't be an overt prick. The jerk label gets added when they stop calling back.

It's always good to tease, but stop the overt asshole approach. The 'negging' thing is so overdone, all women know about it, and it's beta as fuck. If a good opportunity comes to zing her, then do it, but don't waste the night trying to find them.

moontripper1246 · 2018-01-08T02:06:46+00:00

I'm nice in certain ways. At certain times. I'm also mean.

"are you guys nice".....interesting question. Yeah I think I'm nice. I think I'm nice for fucking these girls so well when I do. I think I'm nice for giving other guys opportunities when i don't really need to. I think I'm nice for being sweet to the women I fuck and attempting to show them They're beautiful and sweet (though some of them really don't like that). And I think I'm nice for letting girls that I've fucked up with stay away, I don't push if they aren't into it.

I also think I'm mean, for fucking women who're in love with me. For not cutting things cleanly. For not holding people farther away more consistently when I know I won't offer what they really want. Ha, for being this great and wanting what I want to strongly in the first place. And for being an asshole when I just don't care.

Like, I can BE nice when i want to be, but I just don't think people in general want sunshine and flowers all the time. We all like drama, and truth hurts. I'm probably one of the less organized responses. Oh well, it's what I got.

chazthundergut · 2018-01-08T06:39:14+00:00

I know that women (and people) generally consider me to be pretty nice because they've told me so.

When I interact with women, my goal is to have as much fun as possible and get them to have as much fun as possible. Same as when I take them out, same as when we have sex, etc. I see it as a win/win situation. My flirting is never mean-spirited. It can sound rude out of context, but in person it is always positive and fun.

When I get called an asshole, it is usually in a teasing "You're such and asshole!" kind of way that she says with a laugh as she playfully hits me on the arm or chest.

However, there comes a time when a woman you are fucking gets to the point where she realizes that she isn't going to be able to change your mind and get any more commitment from you. At this point, the "break-up," I've noticed that things can get hairy. That's when I've been called an asshole, a jerk, a piece of shit, etc. And she means it. Not by all of them, but by several.

I do not take it personally though. The dating game is rough, and they feel hurt and emotional. So I cut them some slack, and I hold no grudges about it.

On the other hand, I am not a pushover. I set and enforce my boundaries. I prioritize myself, my mission, and my well-being. I guard my time and commitment. But in general, yes I'm nice. It probably helps that I genuinely love women, love being with them, and care about them as people. I also make it a point to always tell the truth, or at the very least never lie. And if I say I'll do something I always follow through on my commitments.

[deleted] · 2018-01-08T07:05:39+00:00

Definitely nice.

[deleted] · 2018-01-08T19:36:09+00:00

I say whatever the fuck I want around girls, and I guess some people might consider that asshole behaviour.

I don't compliment them, buy drinks, or tell them I love them. This is because I respect myself and don't need pussy behaviour to buy their affection like most men.

Title	Are you guys nice?
Author	bluedragon239
Upvotes	12
Comments	30
Date	January 7, 2018 7:21 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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