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[–]WIA20XX 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
To make this kiss back at your place easy, you have to lay the groundwork from the beginning.
1) verbally flirt. 2) skin to skin contact from touching. 3) take her from place to place safely.
If you just try to mug her down when you get home, it can be weird. It's not impossible but that requires more skill and experience than you seem to have.
The language barrier may be an issue as well. .
[–]KND_DNK 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Any advice on the ''verbally flirt'' bit? I've got ZERO experience (no gf, 1 rejection so far, 18m)
[–]ImJustSo 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Touching women is like climbing a ladder. Try the first 5 steps before reaching the 6th or you won't be close or comfortable with trying.
You get to step 5 and higher up the ladder, then step 6 seems easy and it's right there.
Legs touch, arms touch, hands touch, then hands touch other things, then kiss, then touch, then fuck.
Every step makes you both more comfortable taking the next step.
[–]LingeringGnome -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Touching women is like climbing a ladder. Try the first 5 steps before reaching the 6th or you won't be close or comfortable with trying. You get to step 5 and higher up the ladder, then step 6 seems easy and it's right there. Legs touch, arms touch, hands touch, then hands touch other things, then kiss, then touch, then fuck. Every step makes you both more comfortable taking the next step.
This is bad seduction. Over-complicated, gets in guys heads, and not real life. If you want a woman, go in for the kiss. You don't need to implement fifteen inter-dimensional steps of chess before you go for the kiss.
[–]ImJustSo 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for your opinion, I disagree with you. It's not bad seduction, it may be bad teaching, but if you disagree that taking things in steps doesn't make both parties more comfortable, then you're just wrong.
You're allowed to have a wrong opinion, but I'd prefer if you picked on the correct thing. I'm not the best teacher, but I am good at making myself comfortable. I'm also pretty good at making women comfortable.
[–]LingeringGnome 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The reason why I said that is because playing touchy touch is very submissive game. The more independent and sex-positive women I date and have in my circle are looking for more dominant males to take charge in the bedroom. I've even had a woman gripe about her current lover in front of me to my gf for being too flowery in bed and in foreplay.
And if a man is fit enough, women (even strangers) will be touching him throughout the day blatantly. Sometimes it's annoying (especially if it's not someone you're attracted to, lol)
It's why so many experienced men here advocate a focus on weights at the gym.
It's actually hilarious how bad women get if you have nice shoulders, chest and/or arms. You don't have to be a freakshow bodybuilder, but it really makes them so forward...even the shy girls.
[–]ImJustSo 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You believe it's submissive game, yet I'm a very dominant man and I take my time. Do women randomly touch me throughout the day? Sure. Do I bite their heads off? No, but I do prefer when they touch my arm, then immediately look up at me to make sure it's "okay".
I am dominant and I do not like strangers touching me, at all. It's not a choice, it's an automatic animal instinct.
I can recognize the moment a woman decides that she's mine. If I want her, then I touch when and where I want. Your advice seems to push the boundary and tell people they should just touchy grabby with whoever they want, before they want you to touch them or kiss them.
That is ridiculous advice to give to inexperienced guys. I think you and I both touch and kiss women that want us to touch them. I won't tell you your way of doing things is wrong, but I'm not going to let you tell me my way is wrong if both ways work.
I'm dominant and I want women to give to me. I'm not dominant because I take.
[–]LingeringGnome -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your advice seems to push the boundary and tell people they should >just touchy grabby with whoever they want, before they want you to >touch them or kiss them.
I think you're having some trouble with comprehension. I said the exact opposite. I said if a man is fit and dominant enough, women will initiate touching him all day, even strangers. He doesn't have to initiate touch, but a man does usually have to initiate a kiss. And should.
I am dominant and I do not like strangers touching me, at all.
That just means you're not being touched by hot women. If a Victoria Secret model looked you in the eyes and touched your bicep, you'd like it. Unless you're gay.
[–]ImJustSo 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Alright, thanks for the lessons.
[–]Deebo38 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You still have hope. I didnt do anything physical with my girl for the first couple of weeks. Just kiss her dude
[–]limache 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Gently touch her face and look straight at her. If she’s not pulling away, you’re good to go
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[–]rockets71 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They will definitely, most Certainly .......and for as long as they all do live , ....never , ever forget the night ,... they came face to face ... ‘with a Signature MoVe.
Cause for a Woman........ There’s nothing sexier....... Than realising she’s part of a set play.
[–]un_salamandre 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I won't comment on what you did right or wrong, but I think the outset of "I couldn't manage" is a bit misguided. Don't forget it's not your responsibility 100% what happens. It depends on your partner too.
[–]LingeringGnome -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
>This entire thing lasted for 4 hours and almost seemed like a date.
Sounds like a date to me.
>Now on the next day
you were at a bar with her for four hours and didn't ask her home with you or go for the kiss?
> we went out for Oktoberfest and to a nightclub. At this point she tells me that she doesn’t really like seeing people >kissing publically
Wow, what a missed opportunity! As soon as she says that I say, "yeah, because they're not as hot as us" and go in for the kiss with a cocky grin.
>so we come out of the club and I ask her if she wants to come back with me to my place.
Nice.
>After reaching my place, I thought it would be easy to escalate, but I couldn’t find any moment to kiss her without >making it awkward.
As soon as she puts her purse down grin and go for a passionate kiss, hand flat on the arch of her back, fingers spread wide.
Trying to kiss a woman is NOT AWKWARD. Letting it stew in your mind endlessly as the evening dithers away is what's awkward.
>So we just ended chit chatting and watching familyguy. In the end we just went to sleep without >doing anything >physical
lol
Invite her over tonight, the go for the kiss as soon as the door is closed. Show her that you want her in a healthy way. I cannot tell you how many times I;'e heard women complain about liking a guy but that he was to submissive, so they ghosted him.
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[–]LingeringGnome 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh, I didn't realize it she was over last night. Yeah wait a couple days.
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