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[–]Lead ModeratorThrowawayPUA 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Stockholm Syndrome.
[–]Box-Monkey 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I'd say it's a combination of this and something else. I see stockholm as being part of a struggle against some power, typically, and the kidnapped comes to associate with those who are taking care of her and showing their own story that she would otherwise never see.
The addition I'd like to make is it's like water in a desert. First, they get the biological connection from sex, which is a bit before the abuse typically starts. Then as time goes on, abuse starts to pop up, but it's not so bad as to leave. In these periods between abuse (as there is the cycle of abuse to take into consideration), he will reconcile with her and make her feel better about them and that he will never do it again. This, of course, is probably not the case, and everyone can see it but her. From her perspective, it would seem like "he's really a nice guy; he's a tortured soul, of sorts, and needs someone to guide him to the light" so to speak. This causes her to be extra commited to being the best girlfriend she can be, helping him through the pain, and trying to stop the cycle from happening. She becomes a martyr of sorts for him. But each time he is nice, she'll pick up that scrap and relish it as a victory she's been seeking since the dark times began. Each scrap will keep her fed just enough to be addicted and trying her hardest to "fix" him.
That's my take of it, at least.
[–]Lead ModeratorThrowawayPUA 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Well I have extensive experience with an ex-gf who was with an extremely abusive boyfriend. The BF tends to "capture" the mindset of the girl, he punches her and says "look at what you made me do!" and she believes it. She thinks his abuse is her fault, not his. She becomes completely brainwashed, she will actually defend his most abusive behavior from others who will call him out on it. She thinks she can fix him, and that only she sees his good qualities. Criticism of his behavior from others will only drive her closer to him. She will isolate herself from real friends who want to help her get away from his abuse.
[–]Box-Monkey 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I agree. How did that work out for you?
[–]Lead ModeratorThrowawayPUA 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Not well. She was too screwed up from her past experiences, I dumped her. But she still lives in my building so we are friends.
[–]Box-Monkey 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Seems like the best outcome in that scenario, really. What city do you operate out of again, throwaway?
[–]Lead ModeratorThrowawayPUA 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I would prefer not to say. But it is a town well under 100k population.
[–]Box-Monkey 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Ah, I see. That's cool. Let me aask you something: do you find that in a smaller city it can get awkward running into exes?
[–]Lead ModeratorThrowawayPUA 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Hell, she lives right across the hall. And I had to call the cops to stop my very first ex-gf (from my first LTR in like 1980) from stalking me.
Shit, this is why I moved out of my dinky small hometown and moved to LA where nobody knew me or cared who I was. In this town, everyone knew your business. Now I moved back and I keep meeting people who say they know me and went to elementary school with me or whatever. I tried to forget all that shit, I don't remember them. And once in a while, I see somebody and think, "hell, that young girl looks just like that cheerleader I knew in high school." And then I discover it's her kid.
But as far as running into exes while sarging or whatever, it doesn't happen. Well it only happened once and I don't think she saw me. I'm an older guy, a "townie" and my exes are just not out in general circulation. Alas, the college kids in clubs around here are young enough to be my kids.
[–]Box-Monkey 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I wouldn't think that sarging would be a problem, as your demographic is probably not attending the club very often. I was thinking more on day twos and the like. May I ask why you bothered to go back to the same town and not some other arbitrary city that you could find with approximately the same amenities? And considering what you said about the ocllege age kids, what age group do you aim for? I'm wondering if people actually follow that whole "half your age plus 7" business.
[–]frogma 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with everything beerbabe said.
It's psychological, and there's a lot of factors involved. If the guy reminds her of her dad, she's more likely to stay with him- and if her dad was abusive, that's the situation she's familiar with, and she's attracted to familiar situations (everyone is).
If the guy has his moments where he's loving/caring, then the abuse only helps to make those moments more "special."
She's usually dependent on the guy, whether financially, emotionally, mentally, etc. No matter how bad it gets, her "good" emotions are also coming from that same guy. If she leaves him, she loses the "bad" stuff and the "good" stuff.
Or maybe she thinks she can change him, and he probably has moments of regret/apology where he says he'll try to change. So they make some progress for a bit, but then he regresses again. But then they make progress again, ad infinitum.
It's been proven that abuse/hazing tend to lead the abusee to develop stronger feelings for the abuser. She might feel like she's "earned" his love and respect (when he's not abusing her) so she appreciates it more and she's more invested in the relationship. I was in a frat, and we had the same dynamics going on. We got hazed a bit, and it only made me more loyal to the frat (the main reason was because the brothers were all really cool guys outside of the stupid hazing rituals). I felt like I "earned" my spot in the house by putting up with the hazing. And technically, I did earn it. I wouldn't have become a brother if I didn't go through that process.
[–]bcktth 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
1.) They genuinely love them and don't want to see it as a waste of time.
2.) They become insecure and believe they won't do better
3.) They believe they can change their partner
4.) They hold no self-respect.
5.) Every other reason not listed in 1-4.
[–]Box-Monkey 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, sunk cost plays into it, I'd say.
[–]beerbabe 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes, they don't think they can do any better. Sometimes, it takes them a bit to realize they are in an abusive relationship, and it seems easier to stay then to leave. Especially if they are somehow dependent on them, like financially. Sometimes, they are convinced the person will change, or they doubt themselves because their partner is different with other people. I think it depends on the person and the situation.
[–]spackopotamus 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It seems to me like it's a psychological thing. For some women, being abused and controlled by a domineering male somehow registers in their minds as stability and security. They may think their life has no structure unless they're being told what to do.
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[–]RedErin 0 points1 point2 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's about the strongest form possible of the statement "I am better than you." That is pretty much the height of aphrodisiac right there.
Whoa. I've studied this a lot and I've never thought of it like that. Thanks.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Possibly because she's unattractive in some way (or even abusive herself), and that's the best she can do.
Either that or she just believes she is unattractive, and that that's the best she can do. For example, on the okcupid blog, it shows a graph of how women who are unattractive are actually less likely than attractive women to respond if they are messaged by an attractive man. It's some part of the brain that is wired by culture or evolution to say "He's too good for you. He just wants you for a quick pump-and-dump. Set your sights lower."
[–]Axemantitan -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A lack of a support structure is a big factor. Women often stay in abusive situations because they have nowhere else to turn. A common problem is that their friends and families turn away from them, hoping that it will cause the woman to see that she is being abused and leave of her own free will, but it has the opposite effect, causing them to remain with their abusers because they are the only ones around. It is absolutely essential to be there for a woman who is being abused until she can finally pull herself free and you can be there to help her.
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