In what year did TRP start? When did it split or reform from PUA?

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Title In what year did TRP start? When did it split or reform from PUA?
Author TheLastMgtow
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Date 19 October 2018 05:01 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil46 points47 points  (2 children) | Copy

TRP the community started in 2012. TRP as a distinct Ideology from PUA started in 2008 when heartiate wrote an article called endless dating, saying all of those PUA tricks are only necessary in feminist countries. 2013 was the beginning of the whole SJW thing when Gen Z started getting into univery and that brought more ppl into TRP.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great. Thanks bro.

[–]APSTNDPhy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Where is that article?

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten30 points31 points  (26 children) | Copy

See my TRP will make you unhappy post. Here's an excerpt

A Brief History of The Decline - PUA

In 1994 a guy named Lewis De Payne started the online group, and the PUA community began. By the early 2000s, anonymous men with screen names like Mystery and Style were attempting alchemy - they wanted to create a foolproof method to get women into bed, a supposedly impossible task in a world convinced that everyone is special and being your genuine self was the correct sexual strategy.

​Their "Field Reports" (sound familiar?) existed for men to trade notes online (and in those days, offline in meetups or "lairs") and actually turned lead into gold; The Game was created. PUAs correctly identified that women out at night selected men who displayed domineering, proto-masculine traits and exploited sexual tension (typically through escalation and perceived indifference aka the "Neg") to get laid.

A Brief History of The Decline - Game

Game worked, and people were ANGRY. Takes 5 seconds of googling to reveal that mainstream thought labeled PUA "misogynist", "pathetic", and ironically "lies". What got bloops angry isn't that PUA worked (we teach you to listen to their actions, not their words). What made bloops furious is that PUA turned the AFC, or Average Frustrated Chump (aka 95% of you, dear readers) into a man who could get girls. Yet PUAs were disinterested in the "Why", because men care about what works, and don't typically give much thought once the method is proven.

​What audacity to disrupt the sexual marketplace in this way! PUA ultimately stole away some of a woman's ability to fully gatekeep sex. This usurpation of power was unacceptable! PUAs tried to fight back with a concept called "inner game", essentially arguing that PUA was actually just self-help written in locker room talk, and getting girls is a necessary part of building Maslow's foundation (see "Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs"). This was weak - political correctness masquerading the desire to fuck as self-improvement. The bloops did not buy it, but a lot of men started paying attention....

A Brief History of The Decline - Enter TRP

TRP came next. 2012 TRP took what were essentially just bar tactics and built a cultural framework by which to explain the entire sexual marketplace. The Red Pill is an explanation of effective mating strategy in the context of culture - the "Why" behind the "How". Core PUA concepts like oneitis, Game, and the like had an underpinning truth that united them all together - men's old sexual strategy didn't work, and needed to be replaced. The foundational post, that you all better have fucking read ("Introduction" on the sidebar), spells this out: modern feminism is actually female sexual strategy that,

puts women into the best position they can find, to select mates, to determine when they want to switch mates, to locate the best dna possible, and to garner the most resources they can individually achieve.

Women had to fight back against Game - so they sought to feminize the entire conversation around the sexual marketplace. Through shaming (ever seen someone get "blown up on social media"?), silencing (do you look around or hide your phone when you open TRP in public?), and downright making the ENTIRE CONVERSATION verboten, men started to lose ground fast. There's a reason there are literally two guys (Rollo and rian_stone) who associate their face with this place on a regular basis - TRP is an instruction manual written in a man's language on how to reject what a feminized society has claimed is the truth.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 1 point2 points  (25 children) | Copy

Read your whole text, its gold, thanks bro. Would like to know what do you think about mgtow, and where does it fit in there... In my view mgtow originated right after your last paragraph. I think if all men go mgtow, women are ultimately screwed. And i mean mgtow extremists. They will be denied pussy pass, and we wont be competing for them anymore. They will be given no jobs, and will go back to needing men. On the other hand to many mgtows are thirsty and never really had many females, so that makes them very easy to manipulate by any female who just slightly tones down her feminism.

Ive seen clear changes in public. Women are desperate for attention. Men are incredibly more solidary to each other. I never thought that we all turning into PUAs was a good thing, or as tupac said, "you gonna end up killing each other". But i also didnt expect that a thing such as mgtow would happen. I always thought its gonna be always every dog for himself, and it still is, but mgtow gives me hope to stop this insanity and cycle of male disposability.

So i think all mgtow philosophies are breath of fresh air and the end of the road. I wonder what is your opinion also on what is going to succeed mgtow, if anything, or on the decline of the western civilization. We knew this was going to happen. I mean come on. Its not like we could have the cake and eat it too. Some of us were having sex with different women every week, what could possibly go wrong. You really think society could maintain itself like this? That beta workers would just keep working and having no sex, or just having to settle with a slut that was pumped by all of us? I truly think society will collapse or it will become muslim.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (20 children) | Copy

Hmm. I think we live in a society where people over value breeding and having sex with women.

Sex robots are coming, Children are very expensive to raise right now. I think the poor will stop breeding.

[–]ppanthero0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If anything, the rich will stop breeding as it can already be seen now. In Austria the lowest income people have the most children. Some families even live of of their children through child support (from the government). Or take it to a continental level. Africa has birth rates far above Europe or the US.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] -1 points0 points  (18 children) | Copy

100%. Learn about mgtow brother. We will save the world by becoming true alpha males who dont care about what the tv tells us to be. We will stop fighting for females.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm of the perception that we fight for old men [political leaders/military leaders] which is even more foolish. They don't even have vaginas.

Sex robots man, can't come soon enough.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We are fighting for females. The men in power make you fight for females. Their greed for more power is reproductive in nature.

[–]look_good1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy

Is mgtow not interacting with females? Bitches annoy me too but I sometimes feel the need to be in the presence of feminine energy in controlled amounts.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy

Mgtow doesnt mean not interacting with females. It means no relationships and no cohabitation. Its like TRP, but without being a monkey jumping through hoops and without seeing them as a prize but your obstacle in life. If bitches annoy you and you only see them as sex objects, thats a sign of high testosterone. The more you are needy for emotions and female companionship the lower you are in certain chemicals in your brain. You need selfactualization not female companionship. Female companionship is the antithesis of what a man needs evolutionary speaking. It turns all men, ALL MEN, into a shell of their former selves. Why do you think western civilization is falling apart? Its female companionship and interaction that feminizes men.

[–]look_good0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

I don’t care too much for the social stigma surrounding mgtow. Bitches aint shit but by name doesn’t mgtow espouse against joining a collective group of thought?

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy

No. You can have similar ways of thinking with other men. Mgtow is not supposed to turn you against the world. But its supposed to let you think with your own head. If a lot of men are thinking with their own heads its normal they often arrive at the same conclusions. What you should refrain from is to think that way because the others think. But if the others think that way and you happen to experience the same things and arrive at the same conclusions, will you just not think that way, just because other men think that way? Collective group of thought can only exist, when there is a punishment or a reward for doing so or not doing so. Like in a religion or society. Mgtow is the most individualistic thing because it takes women (the ultimate reward) from the equation, so how can you be controlled after that? Mgtow is freedom.

[–]look_good0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

eh, so you think it’s possible to remove sex (the strongest biological urge) from the equation? everything is motivated by sex.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

No, the issue is only in relationships particularly LTRs. Its monogamy in men the issue. Thats what makes you domesticated and weak. If you dont depend on a woman you are fine. Do like the lion, bust and move, bust and move. Every man who commits to a woman i know he is finished, and i know it is a question of time until i get to steal his girlfriend if i want. You dont win a war on the defense. Monogamous relationships its like trying to win a war stuck in a trench drinking rum, you will lose.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

98% of mgtows are one whiff of pussy away from going BackToTheBeta at warp speed.

It's also a Reactionary movement which generally isn't sustainable because it's not an organic ideology but a derivative one. Same reason TRP is orders of magnitude bigger than TBP and its faggy derivatives. I believe mgtow is a super majority fakers living out a buffer.

Men just need to collectively take control of their lives

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Well yes and no. You didnt do your research. MGTOW knowledge dissects female nature, from a selfprotection perspective. While TRP does it only superficially to get access to pussy. TRP is often blind and ignores many details that can conduct to your downfall. Still is essentially the same thing, only with different missions. The mission of mgtow is selfactualization. If this is the case, then mgtow is not reactionary, but standard male behavior, seen in most animal species. It is all the other ways that are not mgtow that are degeneracies and adaptations to civilization and the way of women, to cope. Mgtow is finally admiting that not even pussy should condition you as a man. Its not only sustainable its the only thing that works for a man in the long term, all the others end with you fucked over, including TRP, because with TRP you either end up comitting or getting an STD. And dont give me the condom bullshit, i used condoms always, and my dick burns and itches every single day. So if you think you are a super hero or you are in here just for a ride, then TRP is great. If you think you are an individual and a man who actually wants to build something and live his life then mgtow is for you.

Mgtow is also about recognizing LTRs and cohabitation destroy your soul as a man.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I see where you're coming from, but ultimately I don't think the super majority of people who identify as mgtow are ascending anything. I can observe that most are simply quitters.

That said, you haven't internalized red pill if you think it's about getting pussy. It's fundamentally not - it's about fixing the man. Maslow's hierarchy and much other hard science shows you do need access to mates to climb up the pyramid. Note word choice of "access". End of day TRP says become awesome and be selfish. If you want to get laid, it's easy, but being your best you comes first always.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What do you mean quitters? There is no such a thing as quitters in regards to pussy. Are tibetan monks quitters? Are old men in the mountains quitters? That is such a flawed statement, and it comes from the same left wing shaming tactics we are all used to. I can explain it to you. Who is really a quitter, when men are getting divorce raped and getting false dv and rape accusations. Are you really a quitter for going mgtow, or do you hold some honor for doing so? Aren't those that cant hold themselves and are willing to do anything for low value women, the real actual quitters? The weak men who are slaves to their own desires and women? Or perhaps they are less experienced. Women are a depreciating asset, right now as a whole in society. They are only good for sex, and even that is overrated. But society, and the npcs will tell you, what you are not chasing pussy? Then you are a loser. You are gay. Or you are bitter, virgin, etc...Quitter. The truth is women will chase men if you stop chasing them. So why would you care if other men are not chasing women, that is a good thing, it is a positive thing. If all men did the same, feminism would end right now.

See if i care, if you chase pussy or not. I dont care if you chase or you dont chase. Its indifferent to me. But i would never shame you for not chasing pussy. You need to be some kind of a cuck to want other men to chase the same pussy you want to bang. It is clear that most people that use these shaming tactics are women or very frustrated men who lost their empathy with other fellow men. As if we are all some thristy cucks who their first priority is getting laid. Obviously women dont want men like that. Obviously abundance mentality is what precedes mgtow in many situations.

Maslow hierarchy and self actualization are priorities and core beliefs of mgtow. They are not of TRP. Because you cant selfactualize if your motivation is pussy, and these days its easy to get into trouble by chasing pussy. There is an std epidemic in the western world. And i have at least one. Mgtow and TRP get entangled and coincide on most things. The only difference is that mgtow have been there and done that. TRP are dudes who are trying to first have it, then they think about it. You can see by the posts here are mostly innocent questions about females and how they act, and what to do. In MGTOW its basically old men who give you the conclusions.

[–]IRunYourRiver6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

For me, TRP started in 2018.

[–]erthian25 points26 points  (14 children) | Copy

That's not exactly how it happened... Seddit turned into a frenzy of hate from the scandal with Julian and a general increase in popularity of reddit. Where you could once follow every single post easily, turned into an overwhelming number. The core community was growing up and we needed a new home anyway. Was maybe 4 years ago.

[–]Nergaal17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

from the scandal with Julian

What's this about?

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 15 points16 points  (11 children) | Copy

I remember Julian. Its true, women want to be raped by the man they want. Technically its not rape, but it looks like it is. Thats when i completely started ditching out any traces of bluepill i still had, when i saw that that dude was telling the truth as it is, and being censored by it. I still dont respect much the PUAs because they will stem from a position of submission towards women, doing whatever it takes, and saying whatever to sell, and that mgtow are way more honest, but back in the days thats all there was.

[–]look_good5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Julien is prolly one of my fav pua’s on youtube. he seems like a fun lovin guy haha fuck the haters 😘

[–]SteveStJohn3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy


[–]look_good1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]erthian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pickup is useful for calibrating social skills. Some guys become fixated on getting validation, and never grow.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

That looks bad.

Please do not publicly share your views on rape here on AskTRP.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Thats what science says.

Im not defending rape. Im talking about female nature. You dont like it, dont read it. Its the inconvenient truth. Women want to be raped by an alpha male. Their preference is for dark triad men, machiavellian and narcissistic. They will easily stay a decade loyal to an abusive man, while not giving a chance to a nice guy. They will also prefer dominance and abuse, to equality. And in equality they normally start abusing the partner.

Do i like this? No i dont like it. But im not god and it wasnt me creating these laws of nature.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm not asking because it's true and ugly or whatever.

I'm asking because of those people that look at what we say and quarantine our sub reddits.

Keep that to yourself to protect our community here, not because what you are saying is incorrect or undesirable to share, but because this is not the place to share it.

I appreciate the link. I will read it. I am not suggesting you change anything about your beliefs, I am only suggesting you do not suggest your beliefs on this specific subject here on AskTRP.

Just a suggestion. You don't need to try to turn me in any way to what you believe. I have a pretty clear understanding of what you are talking about.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok i understand. But its also bad if suddenly we are afraid and start changing our speech because we are afraid. Then suddenly we are also supporting feminism and polyamory so we dont get banned. I never said to anyone to go rape or whatever. I said that female nature has that issue. If anything they should be angry at female nature not me for stating facts.

[–]look_good3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

the day trp asks its members to filter their speech is the day i’m done w trp. post objective truth and others will always fill in the lines to fit their narrative. fuck what others think

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not the one you need to keep your mouth for shut brother.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ok yes i understand :/

[–]NiceTryDisaster60 points61 points  (1 child) | Copy

When Mary had a one night stand and pulled the I'm a virgin/god's baby crap. Bitch just own up you had some dick

[–]garebear199591 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I started to see the huge cultural shift around 2012.but the idea of TRP has been around for ages

[–]homegreens 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy


[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

really? That was quite late. You sure of that? Because MGTOW precedes that, which is weird. Always saw MGTOW as an evolution from the Red Pill.

[–]homegreens 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Look for a guy named gaylubeoil He wrote a lot in the early days and he is on twitter. At least he was. I haven’t been on the red pill for a while.

[–]TheLastMgtow[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah he commented here. Thanks.

[–]BittyMitty0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

PUA is just faking it.

TRP promotes to get real.
Despite of many going for the easy way of faking everything and running from any real conflict in the form of "adapting".

So, it doesn't even matter, since there is no connection.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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