How far gone is too far gone?

GenericBurlyAnimeMan · 2024-03-04T15:40:10+00:00

There is never a point of no return, ever. However, it could be they’re not at the point of being able to be retrospective of their views or actions yet, and that could be many years to come. For some it may never come because they will never fall into a place where they are forced to come face to face with their own actions and attitude. For some, they could say the most vilest of shit, and the next day they could fall into a place where they suddenly able to be reached with reason now they can find a common ground to be empathetic about.

The main question is, how much effort you are willing to spend and how far does your patience stretch in order to help them see. That’s definitely something only you can answer, and it’s highly subjective. No one will fault you if you choose to simply drop them and decide it’s not worth it for you.

Humans with extreme views will never, ever be able to be reached with just logical reasoning and factual evidence. They need to feel the same things others have felt, see it affect those they love and see them struggle with it to suddenly understand how it affects those.

Once you understand that, you can see when someone is able to be reached and when is the best time to show understanding and empathy and pull them back from that edge. And what that is for your current situation, is well, situational and only you know the answer.

coffeetablestain · 2024-03-04T16:29:13+00:00

Remember that part of growing up is the painful lesson that sometimes you outgrow your friends.

This sucks because it is indeed hard to make new friends, and it can hurt to see people you care about making bad choices, but you can only do so much before it starts to negatively impact your own life.

Be the better example, be the one who pushes back, but don't tie yourself emotionally to your friends until they're willing to also grow up. The best thing you can do is just serve as a better example, it's now your job to be the role model not the friend. Do not show frustration or hate, even if it's directed at them, smile and shake your head when they spout TRP nonsense while sitting on their lonely asses, and just go have better relationships and have more fun by enjoying being with people and leaving the ideological framework behind.

You don't see a lot of older TRPers but what generally happens is while they soften their views, they still hold onto very cynical and hateful feelings that TRP not only does not resolve, but makes actively worse. You can have an objectively happy life and be miserable because TRP tells you that you have to forever "hold frame' and be some kind of hard-ass picture of masculinity and then this iceberg of rules and patterns you have to be aware of. People simply do not live like this AND be happy with a romantic partner who is also a friend. These are the people who get deeply tied to politics and conspiracies and seem so angry all the time. If you can just find happiness without having to always worry about the "rules" then you're already setting a better example.

Don't burn yourself out on people who aren't receptive to a better message, you can try but at the end of the day it's far more important that you saved yourself and that you have your own goals and options.

ooa3603 · 2024-03-04T21:54:35+00:00

There isn't really any one metric.

But how I'd decided is based on what I know of them and whether I have the time or energy to get into it.

I only have a few close friends, so with them I would be willing to civilly confront them about values I don't agree with. Fortunately none of them hold misogynistic values that I know of. If they did. we'd be having a conversation about it as soon as I found out.

For everyone else, I clearly make sure they know I don't agree and most of them stop hanging out with me once they realize I'm not going to budge.

It boils down to the time you have for the level of friend.

But your time isn't unlimited and you basically have to make your own judgement call on how much time you want to devote for a given person

xvszero · 2024-03-04T19:57:35+00:00

It's impossible to say with any given individual. Personally I think if you are pushing it on people then it isn't going to do much. But if they show some interest in talking about these things, then perhaps they can be saved.

But really, who knows.

Personally I don't hang around with red pill types. I don't want to live in a bubble but when it comes to my FRIENDS I like to be around people who respect my wife and I and just like, people in general and such.

Personal_Dirt3089 · 2024-03-04T21:23:55+00:00

"too far gone" is a relative concept. I just can't bring myself to hang out with an emotionally draining redpiller that acts like a bitter immature freak everytime he sees a woman flirting with me.

You don't have to have formal "friend breakups", but you don't necessarily have to hang out with people that consistently leave you annoyed.

ROBYoutube · 2024-03-04T23:42:31+00:00

I really don't want to lose friendships but anything red pill really does make me feel dehumanized

Have you tried telling them this? I'm serious. If you say this to them and they don't care, stop hanging around them. They aren't good people.

If a friend came to me and said that the things I was saying degraded them as a person, I'd probably really want to fix it.

IzzyDonuts · 2024-03-04T21:23:47+00:00

If you can prove red pill points wrong based on statistics and real world examples that they can see you’ll likely be able to pull them out of it if they’re not really sipping on the Kool-Aid. If it helps make it less overwhelming you don’t need to prove it all wrong all at once. I wouldn’t start slinging broad articles at them though. For example linking them to the sticky on this is a lazy half hearted attempt imo

Title	How far gone is too far gone?
Author	BlackPrincess100
Upvotes	5
Comments	26
Date	March 4, 2024 3:23 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/ExRedPill
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