If women actually enjoy being dominated... why is the society so angry with TRP?

USmellFunny · 2014-10-12T20:41:32+00:00

In my opinion, one of the biggest reasons women hate TRP has to do with the same reason they hate Pick-Up Artists. Because we teach men how to be better with women than they are naturally.

They want to be dominated, but by a natural alpha. Having a lowly beta seduce them by acting like an alpha is trickery, cheating. They don't want betas to know there's a way for them to be alphas, they need the betas there for the beta bux.

Alphas know to dominate naturally, it's in their genes. But most of society is beta, and it's bad for business if word gets out.

DoesNotMatterAnymore · 2014-10-12T21:24:59+00:00

On the D/s topic:

It's about they equality, men can't have more power over a women, that's unacceptable!

There was a woman on /r/RedPillWomen, she shared her "awakening" experience about TRP. Basically her fear about the captain/first mate concept was, she feared that if she became submissive, her man will "take over", and the guy will do all the decision making, and he will micro manage everything, this includes her life as well. The most important part is the micro manage thing. Because women love to micro manage everybody's else life, including her SO's life, her kids life. Just remember how you Mom behaved when you were young. Even if you did everything right, she HAD TO remind you the 100001th time. Because she had that unstoppable urge, to share her opinion on thing, etc.

But men on the other hand, we don't micro manage our SO's life, we don't want to, we don't care about the details, we will ask you to do something for us, and we don't care about the details, until you do everything fine.

Women fear that if they gave in, and take the submissive role of the relationship, men will control EVERY SMALL DETAIL in the relationship. We not gonna do that, because we don't give a fuck about the details. And this is the source of the confusion. You expect something about the other gender, because of your solipsistic thinking.

throwaway-aa2 · 2014-10-13T02:26:20+00:00

Because women want the benefits that come with being treated as an equal, without actually being equals.

Being dominated / submissive is basically double speak for "less value", which doesn't translate well into women getting treated respectfully, getting paid similar, having their thoughts and standpoints heard and respected, etc. We live in a society where woman have come a long way in terms of independence, overall intellect, etc. So here is the problem we have on our hands.

If you're a woman, how can you be respected like a man is respected if you're a woman who wants a dominant man (implying she wants to be submissive)? I don't ENVY the position women are in. Men on a whole are stronger, smarter, and better in just about every way (in general but not specifically... of course there are women who will be smarter than men, but if you look at both of our genders, we win on the smart / strong scale easily). Females on a whole generally are better emotionally and looks wise than we are.

So if you're women, what do you do? You FIGHT for that equality (even though there isn't true equality), and you use your makeup / looks to that extent... ever wonder why women ON A WHOLE are just much more better put together looks wise (makeup / clothes) than men are on a whole? We're taught "Oh, TV / Movies brainwash" but you realize that's bullshit. Women know that looks are their best overall agency... even the most fucking staunch feminists know how to use their makeup / hair / clothes to get what they want.

Society is angry with TRP because we downplay women. Society has women up on a pedestal, and we teach that women aren't that important. Think about it. Any guy that wants a girl... how often is he going to want her because of her mind? Even then, how many other girls are like her?

Go on dating sites sometimes. All girls are fucking similar. The same likes, the same dislikes (given minor deviation and changes in how they look and how easily they can get a man, environment, etc).

We basically are the Yang to society's Yin. Society places too much importance on women (because of the whole reparation dynamic, e.g. not being equal to men in prior societies). We put it back in perspective, and go so far as to swing the pendulum past the point in neutral, declaring that women aren't really that special at all (at least not in today's society). That PISSES PEOPLE OFF! They can't disagree with it logically, they just view you as a hate-mongerer / sexist.

Which honestly is fine. A lot of guys have success once they internalize what's here, which really is the proof that it's right. People can be MAD all they want, the thing no one wants to touch is... does this stuff work? Can you get a better response from women (especially women of HIGH VALUE) by internalizing "asshole" traits? I'm not interesting in talking about morality. If I can internalize what's outlined here and have better success with woman, it means that it's not simply hatred of woman.

The last thing I'll point out, which I think a lot of people miss. The thing that makes me mad, is that other women / men think all of us want the dynamic to be this way. To be totally honest with you, I would love if I what I knew before was true. I used to be with a women, and I really enjoyed being with her because she gave me a feeling of love that I felt I never got from my mother. I wish we could have been together. But she didn't love me. She loved how I made her FEEL (one of the key principles of TRP). She loved me because I had fairly high SMV, I made her laugh, I was interesting, and I fucked her really good... that's really all it takes to get a woman to love you. But through her actions and reactions to MY ACTIONS (and TRP upon retrospect) I realize that a girl can't love me like my mother can. I've had certain experience with women that has solidified EVERYTHING I've learned here. And the thing is... I started having success across the board once utilizing it. I don't like the way reality is, but after 20+ years of failure, I'm going to adjust to REALITY. Most people live in a state of "this is politically correct, this isn't" but really that's just basing your life off of theory. I wish what I know wasn't true but after failure of not knowing it, and success of knowing it, I'm going to adapt. TRP is about adapting to the way the world works, not the way people think it works.

tl;dr people are angry because their expectations don't accurately match the way the world works DEMONSTRATABLY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVHnZX8E50

oldredder · 2014-10-12T23:32:34+00:00

Most women are weak thinkers & weak on initiative. That's why they need leading men to dominate. They enjoy having the benefits of good decisions without the responsibility of making them.

Much like turning to religion instead of being atheist. A strong thinker needs no imaginary tribe-leader, which is all a god is, because a strong thinking man takes responsibility for his own morals, decisions & consequences that follow.

Sheep need to be led by others. Women need to be led by men. There are exceptions but rare.

Angry: Are women angry with men? Or are they angry with their own self-realization of weakness and have no way to voice it because of innate programming that says no woman can admit her own wrong-doing in her own nature?

Much like the majority of sheeple have no capacity to admit the obvious fiction there is no god because they need a leader, can't be a leader, so they turn to the only available leader when there is a vacuum - a god?

"but I consider homosexuality a sin"

Which is more of religions' nonsensical conclusions in absence of knowledge. It's a condition caused by hormonal imbalance of the fetus. It's an environmental stressor put on an unborn child with zero choice possible. In theory a woman has the choices but in practice less than 0.00001% of women have the chemistry knowledge to choose every drop of food & water carefully to avoid exposure to whatever caused the imbalances. SOME of it can be genetic too.

"it's the female who CHOOSES to be dominated"

NO, it is not. It's actually a genetic REQUIREMENT. A woman can't be happy without this domination, can't lead her life. Exceptions do exist. The majority of women have zero choice and zero capacity to do otherwise.

"Why is TRP so controversial" EVERY FACT is controversial: you live in a society based on lies, including religion, which means every fact is an offensive terrorist act just for being true before anyone speaks of it and worse for being spoken about.

[deleted] · 2014-10-12T20:39:14+00:00

Women love to be treated like sluts but they don't like feeling like sluts.

648262 · 2014-10-12T21:30:02+00:00

Women do not like to be dominated just to be dominated. All they want is someone around to protect them. And any man able to dominate them is potentially able to protect them. If he could not dominate them, they might as well just protect themselves.

When you teach men to emulate the dominate traits, you end up with a problem for all these women. The men they meet might not be as able as they seem.

TRP is in the way of securing them a well functional protector.

The flip-side is that some of the men here might become fully functional protectors for the women in their life. Women would like that. But the ones who use this whole concept to show a side of themselves that instills security in the women, so that the women reward them, but then fucks off - that's an issue.

through_a_ways · 2014-10-13T02:58:47+00:00

TRP is makeup for guys, and guys aren't allowed to wear makeup

Especially if the makeup is permanent

SunnyJohnson · 2014-10-13T02:02:06+00:00

The things women say they want and what they actually want are completely different. Go to any askreddit thread on gender differences and you'll see this 100%.

Not sure if this is the official red pill stance, but my theory is that just like men are programmed by society to be white knights/betas, women are programmed by society to think they are attracted to these type of men. Of course in reality they aren't and this is scary to a lot of people, hence the red pill hate.

nwilli100 · 2014-10-13T02:28:55+00:00

BDSM people and Gays are deviant only in their sexuality and therefor don't really threaten the standing order of things in any significant way.

As social deviants, we do.

The self-first philosophy, the devotion to uncovering some semblance of a working truth and, most importantly, our advocacy for a monumental shift in the way men interact with their woman and their world has the potential to create significant change in the social structure of the western world.

Understandably this makes a lot of people very nervous. Particularly those in power.

Oh and most people don't have any understanding of what a RP-philosophy is. It's easy to hate what you don't understand.

joe_bruised_ego · 2014-10-13T05:21:25+00:00

There is a political double standard with how people see homosexuality. I’ve actually had two different gays, one male one female, tell me that I was “objectifying” women and it was “problematic”.

For the first time in history gay pair bonds are being legally respected, as I believe they should, but it’s open season on attacking male heterosexuality.

Dorrog · 2014-10-13T06:05:13+00:00

Because as much as they say the contrary progressives are just like conservatives but with a different moral code they want to impose. Progressives don't want you to do want you like as long as you hurt no one, thats just the excuse they use to push their agenda but forget when convenient.

Also keep in mind that reddit is against trp, not society. Reddit is a very small and highly skewed sample. Reddit is full of fucking weird people saying what they can not say in real life.

yourenogood · 2014-10-13T11:52:26+00:00

You're missing a very major component of the sexual marketplace which explains this: alpha fucks, beta bucks.

Yes, women want strong, confident, dominating men. But they also want weak, supplicating beta bucks to exploit.

The alpha fucks provides the good strong genes the woman wants. The beta bucks does all the rest of the resource-intensive work of taking care of her and the children. For this to work, you need a plentiful supply of beta bucks (to ensure their thirst, and because you can only really have one per woman), but only really one or two Justin Biebers for a huge female population (all he needs is to pump and dump, so he can get round masses of women). The female mating strategy is therefore to have the vast majority of men whipped into shape, kept in line, compliant, scared, thirsty, desperate, while the one or two perfect alphas who survive this process are pounced on by every woman to then provide the genetic material. Horses follow this exact same strategy, pushing the males out of the safety of the herd when they reach adolescence, then only letting them back in when they prove they'll do whatever they're told. Since you only need one alpha male to provide the genes, it's easier to just shame all males into submission, try to keep them all in line, and then hope an alpha male emerges, since you only really need one for the strategy to work.

See: OWS and the progressive stack.
Watch how quickly the "equality/egalitarian" OWS movement tries to keep this first guy in check by scoffing and mocking him when he tries to talk, and how quickly he falls back into line under pressure from the whole group.

Tl;dr female mating strategy only needs one dominant male; it's beneficial for them for every other male to be a beta pussy.

LiveFromLiberia · 2014-10-14T13:49:38+00:00

They hate us because they were told that they should. Don't try to apply logic and reason to women.

TimeDoesDisolve · 2014-10-13T02:34:07+00:00

"They actually ENJOY it. Women actually enjoy being dominated by a strong man. Not bossed around, not told what to do, not forced to do house chores, but actually be dominated, posessed and owned. They get the kick out of it, this makes them excited, passionate.... And fuck, it makes ME excited and passionate. Filled with energy, achieving better in hobbies and work, getting more respect from other males... And when we get kids, we'll raise them in reasonable and logical way: not just limits and barriers, but clear path to successful life.

It's an absolute Win-Win! I win, she wins, our kids win... I'm Orthodox Christian now, so it was even harder for me to come to terms to having to manipulate and trick my wife to get something out of her, as it felt like cheap and immoral tactics. But if she loves it and I love it, and it lets our marriage stay healthy and fruitful... where is harm in that? It's an absolute Win-Win!"

Because the idea of owning a person died with the universal dismissal and hatred of slavery in every modernized country? Because treating weak people like they need to be owned is abusive?

"TRP does not preach. RP men are not actually interested in feminist or SJW women that much... TRP are not trying to fuck up feminists by controlling their minds and turning them into RPW. They don't advertise "come join our sexual counter-revolution"."

It doesn't need to preach, people who hate it do that for TRP. They get men who are jaded, angry, and easily persuaded to hate the women that tricked them/ stole their money/ cheated on them.

"What's the pressure then? Why do they care so much? Why is TRP so controversial? Why allow people to fuck each other in a way a big portion of modern population (Catholics, Orthodox, some Protestants) still considers "Abomination before God", allow people to kill themselves (euthanasia), allow people to treat people like furniture or animals, but not allow people to enjoy some form of relationship that is clearly only benefitial for both of them?"

Because society before woman's suffrage and liberation movement was legal? Having sex with your wife when she didn't want to have sex was legal only a few decades ago. You could beat your wife and tell people about it. You could dismiss her opinions as a separate person. You controlled all her funds. She couldn't have a personal career or hobby besides sucking dick and cleaning the house.

How is it hard to be afraid of a group that would advocate going back to that?

KyfhoMyoba · 2014-10-12T23:17:07+00:00

Who is this "they" you refer to that is angry with TRP? Not the happy and content wives of men that are anywhere on the alpha scale. The unhappy are the landwhale feminists.

Title	If women actually enjoy being dominated... why is the society so angry with TRP?
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